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Will San Diego Chargers WR Vincent Jackson Test Free Agency?

It's the offseason and, with most teams set with their coaching staffs, we've hit one of the lulls where news isn't breaking and probably won't be breaking for a few weeks. So, what is the NFL media to do? Break opinions!

While Vincent Jackson maintains he would like to stay in San Diego, and GM A.J. Smith is reportedly now "comfortable" exploring a long-term deal, NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora isn't betting on it.

"I don't see any way he's back there," La Canfora said Tuesday on "NFL Total Access."

"The Chargers won't franchise him, they've come out and said that."

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I suppose I should throw my opinion out there as well. I think whether or not the San Diego Chargers sign back Jackson rests on the outcome of the Marcus McNeill (and Kris Dielman) situation If one or both of those guys are gone, it frees up some money and just about forces them to use their first-round pick on an offensive lineman. If they're both back, there's no money and the team could try and replace Jackson with a WR in the first round.

Seeing as how McNeill leaving seems downright likely at this point, and the San Diego front office is desperate to be in the playoffs in 2012, I think Jackson returns and gets that long-term, big-money contract that he wants.

Considering the Chargers have said that they will not franchise Jackson, and he'll be the most heavily sought after WR on the market, there's little chance that they could get a discount on VJ. After waiting for so long, the Chargers might find themselves bowing out of an intense bidding war even if they do decide that they'd like to offer him a long-term deal. That's the bad news. The good news is that Jackson will have a contract with someone by time the NFL Draft rolls around, allowing San Diego to plan and draft accordingly.

However, the simple fact that the Chargers have said that they will not franchise Jackson is surprising. They certainly need him in the offense (Vincent Brown is the best WR-that-can-stay-healthy behind him). It leads me to believe that both sides are confident that a deal can be reached. Fingers crossed.

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The problem with waiting on McNeill

Is that Big Mac can’t be cut until he fails his physical 3 days after FA starts. That means that he definitely hits the free agency waters and will hear competing (and probably) better bids than what the Chargers have to offer.

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by Wonko on Feb 9, 2012 1:38 PM PST reply actions  

True

but this is where I’d point out that AJ said this morning that they’d have a decision on what they wanted to do with McNeill within a week and a half. That sounds like they want to know before FA kicks off. They can always look at his neck and say “No way our doctors will okay that in a few weeks”.

They’ll probably immediately lose enough off the books (with Hardwick, Tolbert, etc.) to sign Jackson right away and then wait for McNeill to fail his physical to sign the other guys. Silly as that sounds. I also think it’s in Jackson’s best interest to wait those 3 days and get the Chargers in a bidding war. We’ll see what happens with that war.

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by John Gennaro on Feb 9, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

If I was McNeill

I wouldn’t let the doctors look at me until that date.

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by Wonko on Feb 9, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm

Is this going to be another case of The Chargers losing another pro bowl caliber player and getting nothing in return?

Brees, Turner, Sproles have been discussed ad infinitum here and those losses have clearly hurt.

I’m not sure of all the intricacies of labor here; but could a trade happen so we could at least get a viable replacement?

Ideally I’d like to keep Jackson of course; but he has been injury prone and putting up huge money for him if he cant stay healthy seem a fool’s errand.

by Mike Sullivan on Feb 9, 2012 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

Jackson is not injury prone.

I think you’re confusing him with Floyd.

by SoCalBoltFan on Feb 9, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

And to answer your question

unless the Chargers use the franchise tag on VJ (which they’ve said they will not) they cannot trade him. He will be an unrestricted FA and free to sign with any team he chooses.

by SoCalBoltFan on Feb 9, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Correct

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by John Gennaro on Feb 9, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

He was hurt for a few games this year and missed some time…but yes..he is no Floyd!

by Mike Sullivan on Feb 9, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

He's only missed one game due to injury

Since becoming a full time starter in 2007. That’s probably enough to keep the “injury prone” label off of him.

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by Wonko on Feb 9, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Still, he's had to play injured quite a bit and it has impacted his performance.

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by Richard Wade on Feb 9, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

A trade is not possible

Unless it’s a sign-and-trade, which I don’t think is something the NFL offers (at least it’s been a while since I’ve seen/heard of one actually happening).

The “getting nothing in return” thing is ridiculous. Name a single NFL player that has ever been traded for anything resembling equal value in the last year of his contract. People try and make it like AJ Smith just lets these guys walk and that’s his fault, but it’s not. Nobody does it. You’d have to get back the same amount of money (so that both teams remained in line with the salary cap), and if you get back more than 1 player than you have to start cutting guys (which means paying them to go away, which means you lose money anyway).

This is why, in the NFL, when you lose a player to free agency you get compensation in the form of a draft pick (or several). Trading a guy away is nearly impossible.

Also, with the way the cap is, no team can afford to pay two starters at QB (Rivers and Brees) or RB (Tomlinson and Turner, Mathews and Sproles).

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by John Gennaro on Feb 9, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Point taken…

I must be living in the past..Trades used to seem to get equal (or at least close to equal value) for one player for another.

by Mike Sullivan on Feb 9, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Editors Note:

You cannot get several picks for losing a single player.

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by Wonko on Feb 9, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I must be thinking baseball

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by John Gennaro on Feb 9, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Guys can be traded for good value on one year deals

they have to be cheap one year deals though. So as to give the team leverage in an extension negotiation. It appears to me the Chargers will not have VJack or Big Mac next year.

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by Foilhat on Feb 9, 2012 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Is this going to be another case of The Chargers losing another pro bowl caliber player and getting nothing in return?

We never got “nothing”, because we got compensatory draft picks, and we’d probably get a good one for VJ.

I’m not sure of all the intricacies of labor here; but could a trade happen so we could at least get a viable replacement?

The only potential trade is a tag and trade, which would probably be for mid round draft picks.

Ideally I’d like to keep Jackson of course; but he has been injury prone and putting up huge money for him if he cant stay healthy seem a fool’s errand

He’s missed 1 game due to injury in 5 years.

by CABurrito on Feb 9, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Technically

The Chargers could get nothing for losing a free agent. If VJ signed a deal elsewhere and the Chargers signed another FA player to a similar deal (or possibly a bunch of players to nice, but lesser deals), then the Chargers would get no compensation.

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by Wonko on Feb 9, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

The team will have to overpay to keep VJ. AJ will not overpay for VJ, UNLESS he decides to do so to the detriment of long term team success in an effort to save his own bacon.

by Orz on Feb 9, 2012 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

Pretty much how free agency works

(And I’m stealing this from a GM who I can’t remember)

Is that whoever gets a free agent almost always overpays, unless the player takes less to play somewhere. Otherwise, the winner always pays more than what everyone else thought the player was worth.

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by Wonko on Feb 9, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds familiar enough to be AJ

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by John Gennaro on Feb 9, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Or anyone familiar with the process of NFL free agency.

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by Richard Wade on Feb 9, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

My point is AJ never ever (or extremely rarely) overpays.

Thus signing VJ would be a huge departure from AJ’s known philosophy, and an act that reeks of desperation.

by Orz on Feb 9, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it would be a huge departure

He’s done it enough times now to think that it’s not outside of his playbook. I would call it somewhat rare, but not extremely rare.

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by Wonko on Feb 9, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

AJ only overpays for players currently on the roster

(Tucker, Clary, Castillo, arguably Sproles and Weddle)

But the reason I think re-signing VJax is likely or at least possible is that it’s PR season! The team needs to make a splash to appease the fanbase like never before. AJ is puttin’ on his top hat and pickin’ up his cane. Dance, monkey!

by Andy (allfield) on Feb 9, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

A.J. is not interested at all in appeasing the fanbase

I doubt it even crosses his mind. He has Spanos’ full support to build a winner and that’s all he’s focused on.

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by Wonko on Feb 9, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm, spoken like a true "insider"

Who are you really?? AG Spanos? John, is that you?? Jimmy Raye?

My point is, different season, different mandate. AJ’s lucky to have his job. He’s been this close to not having it. And Dean is hearing the wrath of the fanbase. I’m not saying there’s a specific directive, but walking the same old party line could have catastrophic consequences.

by Andy (allfield) on Feb 9, 2012 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just judging based on A.J.'s interviews

He says that Dean has put all his confidence in him to build the team and that’s “all that matters”. I even pointed out to John that someone could twist his comments and say he doesn’t care about what the fanbase thinks.

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by Wonko on Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Which FA would be the best VJax replacement?

If we get Marques Colston for VJax, I’d be okay with that. A younger, less problems off the field, cheaper player for a cheaper deal? Sounds like Gaither for McNeill if you ask me. If we can pull both those off, I think we’ll have brighter days ahead. The only problem of course is the learning curve for Colston interacting with Rivers, but meh.

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by Falawful on Feb 9, 2012 4:30 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, that WR core would be scary, the more I think about it.

We have a Stevie Johnson(Vincent Brown) at slot, a Brandon Lloyd(Malcom Floyd) at Y, Vincent Jackson(Marques colston) at X in the lineup. Scary. Of course, not a precise analogy, but these are players with similar skill sets that Rivers could definitely stretch the field with. And in my opinion, Marques Colston’s hands are noticably better than VJax. AND of course, our top receiver, Antonio Gates recovering(enough to be effective) from what most thought was a career altering foot injury.

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by Falawful on Feb 9, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Vincent Brown

Is not a slot receiver. That’s why you saw a lot more of Crayton on the field even after Brown broke out that one game. He’s a wideout.

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by Wonko on Feb 9, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeahh, I guess huh.

I just associated his height with slot receiver status. What do you want in a slot receiver though? A physical receiver or a speedster?

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by Falawful on Feb 9, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't need a specific type

You need someone that can get open in tight spaces and preferably run after the catch.

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by Wonko on Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

What about Dwayne Bowe?

He’s also a FA and is a big bodied, deep threat. He’s also 2 years younger than Colston and hasn’t been as injury prone.

by J Korber on Feb 10, 2012 5:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I worry about Colston's health

It hasn’t cropped up yet, but the medical procedure he had to stay on the field in the 2011 is quite experimental and it isn’t known whether it’ll hold up over time.

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by Wonko on Feb 9, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be extremely disappointed if AJ lets him go

but am I the only one who thinks this season is his and Norval’s swan song and that they’ll pull out all the stops? This means AJ (and Spanos) stop being cheap & stop trying to outsmart yourself in the draft. If you thought Rivers missed Sproles in 2011, wait till you see how much he misses VJax if he’s gone too.

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by riversonfire on Feb 9, 2012 5:36 PM PST reply actions  

They are not cheap and...

If VJ prices himself out of the team I would not mind if they let him go, provided that they get another very good receiver in FA (Bowe, Stevie, Colston, etc). What’s the point of overpaying for VJ in detriment of the rest of the team?

by Joan.Manuel.Martinez on Feb 10, 2012 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

sign colinson or wayne

let v-jax go rivers is a type of qb that can make stars of most WR

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by j-man on Feb 10, 2012 6:01 PM PST reply actions  

Wow....

Maybe colston could replace VJ but not dbowe he serious to many passes. But I’m content with vj production and he really is someone you would want as a major offensive weapon. Alot of guys are not better than VJ hers a list of good receivers with nice deals that are not better than VJ R.Meachem, Roddy White, Marshall, DBowe. I must admit they are great players but in my opinion none better than VJ not to mention his chemistry with PR17. Pay the man before loading him and creating more wr issues we all know about floyds health and we don’t have much depth at the position to begin with.

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by Bleu on Feb 12, 2012 11:18 AM PST via Android app reply actions  

my understanding

is that AJ has not, and will not make VJ an offer
and let him walk

On the other hand, you have different fingers.

by Hormel on Feb 12, 2012 10:07 PM PST reply actions  

That understanding

Doesn’t seem to jive with what people are reporting. That the Chargers will aggressively attempt to retain Jackson. The question comes down to if they will offer him more than another team.

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by Wonko on Feb 13, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

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