Approval Rating: Quentin Jammer
by Wonko on Feb 20, 2012 12:15 PM PST
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Quentin Jammer joined the Chargers in 2002 after being drafted 5th overall. He held out during training camp, but was active for 14 of the Chargers' 16 games that year and started 4. Since then he's started in 141 regular season games and 5 playoff games over 9 seasons and only missed 2 games due to injury. He's currently the longest tenured Chargers player.
Despite being a high draft pick and playing on one of the winningest teams of this era, he's never been selected to a Pro Bowl. A big reason for that is his lack of interceptions. His career high is 4 and he only averages 1.8 interceptions per year. Early in his career he was also known for giving up penalties due to his physical play. On top of that, he had a bad year on the field this past season. He was only of the few cornerbacks in the league that averaged over 10 yards per play when the ball was thrown to his area.
However, he's a sure tackler, he's a dependable starter and he's corrected most of his issues relating to giving up penalties. The Chargers valued him enough after the 2005 season to give him a 5 year contract extension that paid him handsomely and went through the 2012 season. Today we sit on the precipice of that 2012 season and wonder what the future holds for Quentin Jammer in a Chargers. He's almost assuredly going to be retained by the Chargers, but will he be able to prove that the 2011 season was just a down year and not the start of a decline. The other rumor that gets floated around is a possible move to safety even though the team has never said that they are considering such a move.
Jammer's approval rating will probably end up being a mixed bag. Some would base it off of his full body of work and figure that they approve since he's given the Chargers more good seasons than bad. Some may use this past season as a trump card; a way to show their approval of Jammer as a measure of how much value he currently has. Others may want to project that position change on the defensive back and figure that since he'll switch and supposedly be more valuable, they'll give him the thumbs up. Put in your vote and let us know your reasons in the comments.
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Mixed bag is right.
If there was a “Not sure what to think, need more games to make a solid decision” Option on that poll I would take it.
I have been satisfied by his body of work as a Charger for the time he has been here, however, last year we saw a drop-off. Hopefully that was just a fluke, and he turns it around this coming season.
He will never be a premier cb but atleast he can tackle well hopefully he can turn it around a lil this season.....
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by Bleu on Feb 20, 2012 2:29 PM PST via Android app reply actions
He along with the entire defense needs to turn it around a lot
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by Lmbs2slaghtr on Feb 20, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
I would go even further and say
he was never a premier CB. He has been a consumate pro, and a reliable, injury free, consistent CB but I don’t think he was ever considered a shutdown corner or ball hawk. But that is neither here-nor-there. Last year was disappointing and when you look at things from the surface you have to say that it really looks like Jammer’s game is starting that downward spiral. But as we have seen over the course of this past season – injuries, lack of depth, changes in scheme, and lack of performanc in other areas and at other positions can have a signficant impact on other positions/players. So is it possible that QJ’s performance was indireclty are result of other faults within our scheme/lineups? Yeah, its possible but man…. there were just sometimes where this guy just looked out matched completely…..
I feel like the recent rule changes have really penalized Jammer
being a bigger, physical CB his game is won at the line of scrimmage. Unfortunately for him, the NFL decided it was more important for skill players to put up big yards (for fantasy purposes) and doesn’t allow contact like they used to. I think if Jammer is beat initially he no longer has the closing speed necessary to catch up to the No. 1 WRs in the league. Extra pressure on the QB and another safety (please no Gregory) that can help cover ground should lead to a better year for QJ. Needless to say, I wear my #23 jersey with pride.
TBD
Tough call for me on this one
but I voted approve based on his career as a charger and because even though he had a drop off last season he was still the best corner on the team.
Hard to say
I approve of his career with the Chargers
I disapprove of his last year, and currently disapprove of his play. That led me to vote Disapprove. That’s based on what I feel this moment, however. If he picks up his game again, it will easily change back to approval.
by that line of thinking you'd have to disapprove of Rivers' play too.
not that i disagree. i don’t approve of rivers’ play this year. but in general i way approve of him as a player for the chargers and as our qb.
I will maintain that the poor CB play last year was a result of the system, until I see otherwise.
Jammer and Cason both were asked to play a style of coverage that didn’t suit their respective skills, in Jammer’s case his physical play and ability to jam guys at the LOS. He doesn’t have the speed to keep up with the fast WRs, so he slows them down (hence the penalties, before he learned how to do it right and maybe hide some of it…).
I think what we saw last year was the result of not enough time in the offseason to adapt the new scheme to suit the players, and failure to adapt as the year went on. You have to build your gameplan around what you have, or get guys that can do what you want to do. Last year was what happens when you try to shoehorn guys into a given system without regard for their abilities.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Where's the third option: Disapprove - pass rush?
Anyways, I think our young crop of talent: Cason; relatively young; Gilchrist, and Wright will rebound. They’re young and talented, and hopefully with an actual defensive coordinator at the helm, instead of an oversized candy bar(mostly kidding)[on a serious note though, manusky looked like he didn’t have much motivational personality], they’ll make correctional strides.
In closing, the off-season sucks, and this is all speculation. Maybe we should make a comparative post between Jeremy lin and tim tebow, that’s all the rage now!
Not changing this signature until John Gennaro eats his hat.
Nick Diaz was robbed. UFC 143.
funny that before the season
all anyone could say about manusky was that he was aggressive and a yeller and how thatd be good for the players since norv most certainly is not.
Manusky is just the typing of yelling motivator that fans are constantly clamoring for around here.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 21, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
agreed
It annoys me most of the time. You want your boss yelling at you everyday? Then what makes you think these guys do?
by Ferguson1015 on Feb 21, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I want my boss to let me drink on the job
but I am not sure that is the best thing for the company as a whole. I get where your going but I am not sure that bosses should be hired based on how much the employees may, or may not, like the way they run things.
Let me clarify
what I meant about Manusky. I’m not against a coach with a fiery demeanor; in fact, I think coaches should have that side. Further, I think Norv does have that asset. The problem with Manusky was it looked like that was the only side he had. And that’s simply not motivational. And yeah, this is just from a look/hear fan perspective, but he really seemed like the type to substitute play calling with motivational yelling.
“Coach what should I do?” Antoine Cason regarding Plaxico
“Guard him better, numbnuts!” Manusky
Not changing this signature until John Gennaro eats his hat.
Nick Diaz was robbed. UFC 143.
For the most part I am with you
I just thought it was a little funny the way he asked if I wanted my boss yelling at me everyday.
I was really just making a point using the perception many people have.
I don’t view Professional Football players as “just kids”, I was trying to put it in perspective since many people just associate coaching with disciplining a kid.
Also, there is a difference between a fiery motivator and an aggressive one. My example was highlighting the latter, whereas the former I think can do a lot of good.
I agree that the play-calling on Manusky wasn’t the greatest, but remember Norv is a guy that focuses on excellent execution, rather than fancy tricky plays, since he has been the head coach the Chargers have hired defensive coordinators that fit this mold (with the exception of Cottrell who was hired from Wade’s staff I think). I think that is one reason that Rivera did so well here, since that was what he focused on. As for Manusky… I don’t really know what to think of his system. I never took the time to sit down and analyze it, though I tend to think he was pretty limited with his play selection.
by Ferguson1015 on Feb 21, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t have a problem with your point at all. Just joking around a little.
People are motivated in different ways. Most players love the sport, being a part of a winning team and making a big paycheck.
Its nice to have a head coach, and or coordinators, that can get everybody going in the same direction and having faith in the system and I think this can be done with a variety of styles.
They've actually done studies
IIRC, the majority of people are motivated by fear and intimidation and will often get better results (at least in the short term) when led in that way. Of course, a person yelling doesn’t not directly lead to an outcome where a person feels fear because of that yelling.
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They have also done studies showing the pros of positive re-enforcement as well
They both have their positives and negatives, usually polarized individuals in one direction or the other don’t perform as well in leadership roles. But the carrot and stick has been around for a long time. Personally, I’m more a fan of looking toward the long term, and making do with what you have for the short term, unless it is an emergency. But that is just my strategic style. I’ve never really been a fan of those flash-in-the-pan type strategies.
So, while I see what you are saying there, I don’t think that is the best course of action in most cases.
by Ferguson1015 on Feb 21, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
This is kind of an interesting animation on motivation
…kind of long and off-topic, but interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc&feature=relmfu
Long story short, it turned out that having workers work on projects they enjoy tended to have better results; it’s also a model that Google really empowers.
Not changing this signature until John Gennaro eats his hat.
Nick Diaz was robbed. UFC 143.
by Falawful on Feb 21, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was just goint to post the TED talk.
Motivation is way more complicated than simple classical conditioning.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Please do.
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Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Feb 21, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
Number 6
Enjoy the others, too.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
by aesimpleton on Feb 21, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent. Thank you.
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Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Feb 22, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure it can apply to football
Almost all the workers in football enjoy their project and are highly motivated to get the best possible results. So, you have that as a baseline.
Google’s employees build products. In football, the employees are the product. You have to motivate and teach them to get the utmost out of themselves for specific periods of time.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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We needed someone to motivate the Defense
sometimes yelling works, but not in this case
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 21, 2012 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
I know Jammer had a hard time early in his career
and was drawing a lot of PI calls, but he’s since established himself as a shut down CB who has had one bad year. I definitely approve and I look forward to watching him have success in the future.
here's a wild idea
How about some pass rush to help our boys back there.
approve
still the best CB the Chargers had to offer. They can’t move him to Safety, like i said he’s their best CB, and also with no clear replacement, why would you move him to Safety.
He had a down year, partly can be blamed because the chargers had no pass rush. Any QB with that much time to throw can torch any secondary.
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