Review of Mel Kiper's Latest NFL Mock Draft 2.0
In an effort no doubt to appease his editors, Mel Kiper has come out with his second pre-combine Mock Draft. If you've shelled out money to ESPN you can view it at: 2012 NFL Mock Draft 2.0. After his first mock draft of the year, I did a review of it and broke down some of his picks. I also decided I wasn't that much of a fan of who he picked for the Chargers (Georgia OT/OG Cordy Glenn) and how he chose that player ahead of some of the other choices available. This time around, Glenn would not be picked by the famous ESPN draft guru because he has him going even earlier. He also has some similar results, the big three of the pass rush (Courtney Upshaw, Quentin Coples and Melvin Ingram) all come off the board before the Chargers pick. As does safety Mark Barron. The top 4 OT come off the board before 18 as well, so do the top 2 CBs and top ILB. So, who gets selected by the Chargers in this the most famous of mocks?
On one hand, this pick would be great for causing confusion and chaos when talking about the 2012 receiving corps. You could also try to look for a 3rd Floyd and call them the Three Floyds. However, that sort of entertainment value is not enough for me to like this pick.
Sure, Michael Floyd is a big WR. Not quite as big as Vincent Jackson and Malcom Floyd, but still holding a height advantage on every NFL CB. He's also been productive with two 1,000 yards seasons in the last two years and 37 TD catches over his 4 seasons playing at Notre Dame. However, he's got some flags to go with that. He's had 3 different arrests related to alcohol, including a DUI that got him suspended last season. He's also broken his collarbone and missed time with a knee injury and a hamstring problem. He's not the most consistent receiver and seems get lazy at times during games. He doesn't have enough speed to get good separation and his route running needs work.
I know I've undersold him a lot here and maybe even to the point that you may be thinking, "How is this guy a first round pick?" He's still very talented and has the potential to be one of the better targets in the NFL. But, there's good targets and there are great ones. There are guys that aren't as likely to make an impact as a rookie. I don't think Michael Floyd can replace Vincent Jackson in 2012. Maybe he can down the line, but not yet. Draft him and you could end up with a situation like 2010 and Ryan Mathews. A player not quite ready to carry a load, but forced into a key role on an offense that isn't supposed to get bogged down by inexperience.
I'll take a look at who Mel Kiper should have taken for the Chargers after the jump.
After Mel Kiper takes Michael Floyd for the Chargers at pick #18, the next 2 off the board are Ohio State OT Mike Adams and Illinois DE/OLB Whitney Mercilus. Both these players would have been solid picks for the Chargers. Assuming the Chargers release Marcus McNeill, the options in free agency at the LT position are limited whereas they are more options at WR. You can also piecemeal a receiver corps, but you need a stud at LT. There's still risk though that Adams won't be ready in 2012. Whitney Mercilus could plug in a OLB and help rush the passer even if he's not an every down player as a rookie. The strange thing with him is that he's actually not Mel Kiper's next highest rated pass rusher. He actually like Marshall DE/OLB Vinny Curry and Clemson DE/OLB Andre Branch better according to his top 5 prospects by position list, but the mock has Curry going 27th overall to the Patriots and Branch falling out of the 1st round.. I'm not really sure who should rank higher, but whoever the Chargers like better probably should be the pick over a prospect like Michael Floyd.
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If the chargers sign a pass rusher in free agency who is the pick?
Is it SS (Mark Barron) or OT (Reiff, Martin or Adams), of the pass rushers who do you think is the most likely to be signed by the chargers?
My vote is going to either Mathis or Spencer, would love to bring in Mario Williams but I don’t see the chargers setting the market.
Agree about Williams.........
He will probably cost waaaaaay tI really like Mathis for a variety of reasons and think he could easily make the transition to OLB. He’s a very small DE at 245 lbs. so it’s not even like most DEs who are asked to stand up. The guy has been extremely consistent and durable and would be a nice addition at OLB.
I really like Barron, but I heard yesterday that his injury is going to really push him down draft boards. It’s a double sports hernia. He’s having surgery, but I heard he might not even be ready to participate in full practices by the start of the pre-season. That means no mini-camp, no training camp, possibly no pre-season. Pretty sketchy prospect if you’re drafting a DB you expect to play in the 1st round and they are going to miss the entire pre-season.
Assuming we retain Hardwick, Dielman is back, and we re-sign Gaither I don’t think OL is as much of a pressing need in the 1st.
I’d like to get a pass rusher, perhaps Nick Perry, DE, USC or Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall (who may be available in the bottom half of the 1st or in the 2nd). Also, if we lose VJ but retain our OL, then I see no reason why drafting Floyd would be a problem. I think he will be able contribute significantly his first season (like Julio Jones) and WR depth will be an issue. There are plenty of good tweener DE/OLB prospects in this draft.
Assuming we lose VJ I’m all for a combination of OLB and WR in the first 2 rounds:
Nick Perry + Mohammed Sanu
Michael Floyd + Vinny Curry
Need for a pass rusher?
I’m wondering why our front office and so many fans are so enamored with Mathis when Barnes had more sacks in a reduced role on our D which did not blitz like the Colts do? The argument is Barnes is bad as a run stopper but the Colts are not known for shutting down the run either. Mathis had Freeny oppsite him to force teams to pick they poison. Barnes played with SP95 who was injured yet still got 11 sacks. I just feel we over looking Barnes potential given the possibility of a whole season opposite a healthy Phillips. Better run technique can be coached up and made up for in game plans scheme.
The growth of our D-line coupled with strengthing the middle of our D is where we should focus, MLB & SS. If Liuget, Martin & Thomas continue to progress every facet of our D will be better.
I'm not overlooking Barnes..............but you need more than 2
Last season proved that…………………English goes down for the year (as usual) and if I’m not mistaken Phillips missed 5 or 6 games last year. There need to be 3 or preferably 4 legitimate pass rushers or you end up with Barnes and Laboy playing 100% of the snaps.
It’s not as much that I’m enamored with Mathis as it is I think he’s the best value at the position. We have multiple roster spots to fill so breaking the bank on Mario Williams is out of the question. If we could get Cliff Aviril or Anthony Spencer I would be fine with that as well, but I think Mathis will be cheaper and would allow for flexibility elsewhere while providing similar production.
Well, given those choices
The only one available in this mock draft was Mike Adams.
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We should totally pick him
and then trade him at the deadline for Robbie Erlin and Joe Weiland.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Feb 16, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
That's worth a rec.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 16, 2012 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
You keep cutting out!
Can you hear me now?
by Andy (allfield) on Feb 16, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
VJ is 50/50 my guess is he is gone, to replace him either Reggie Wayne or Colston are signed, my vote goes to Wayne as a bridge towards Vincent Brown.
Robert Mathis is signed as a OLB
Chargers make offers to Tyvon Branch and Dashon Goldson, they make a serious offer to Goldson and sign him.
So my ideal draft would be under those circumstances: Martin in the 1st, Barron in the 2nd. More realistic Adams 1st, Curry in the 2nd.
Kiper
Like many other draftniks,is more concerned about predicting the pick correctly than getting the best guy for the team needs. I’m not in favor of WR at 18, but IF I were I’d take Wright over the rest of the WRs likely to be on the board there. I realize that he doesn’t replace VJ’ssize but he adds a dimension that this offense lacks – speed.
I have a lot of questions regarding Mercilus playing OLB. Looks stiff to me for that position – far better suited as to 4-3 DE IMO. AJ is going to fall in love with Upshaw/Perry, become convinced that they’ll be gone by 18, & trade up for “his” guy. I see no reason that he’ll change this MO. I have no issue grabbing either guy – I just don’t want to see picks squandered yet again when I feel certain the BPA at 18 would fill a need.
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by Buck Melanoma on Feb 16, 2012 1:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
A.J. can fall in love with Upshaw all he wants
He ain’t making it to #18.
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Oh, I guess that was part of your point.
If Upshaw was projected to go at pick 10, then using the draft value chart it is feasible to get to pick 8 or 9 by including the 2nd round pick in the deal.
At least they wouldn’t need to use next year’s 1st rounder.
Not that I’m advocating this behavior at all. I really want a TE with that 2nd round pick.
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Agreed on TE
I’m definitely not advocating trading up in the 1st, only that this is AJ’s MO far too often when he gets fixated on one player.
We can’t keep waiting on TE. Gates appears to be recovering from the foot issues but he’s aging as well. And a 2 TE set where both are true pass-catching threats would certainly lessen the impact should we lose VJ. As for grabbing that guy with our 2nd …. I dunno. I could wait until 3rd ore even later should Green slip. He needs to add a few lbs. but is a good receiver/route runner, excellent height, & a lot of upside.
Going defense with the first 2 rounds,provided there’s no glaring offensive BPA, is my choice again this year, particularly if we get Gaither signed, Hardwick re-signed, & Dielman back healthy.
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by Buck Melanoma on Feb 17, 2012 4:07 AM PST up reply actions
Gates
His foot issue will always be a problem, and he is aging. I love the guy and I am not saying to get rid of him. I think it would be good bring in another TE to help.
I watched the week 17 Raider game yesterday
I thought Gates’ career was over, but he looked pretty damn healthy in that game. He was fast and nimble. He might just be over that foot problem. Sure, he’s aging so we can only expect one or two more years. But that week 17 game was encouraging to me.
And let me add
AJ should be b-slapped if he takes Barron at 18.
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haha
why is that?? you dont think Barron will fit?
I don't think
Barron is worth the 18th pick.
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by Buck Melanoma on Feb 17, 2012 4:01 AM PST up reply actions
Attn: Mel -
AJ Smith is still employed by the Chargers.
Michael Floyd has been arrested THREE times during his tenure with Notre Dame….
I’m gonna guess NO on pick #18…..
Isn't it weird that AJ puts such an emphasis on character
when his character is in question by all Chargers fans? That guy is one of the worst in the NFL.
Why?
Because he has made personnel moves you didn’t agree with? Tough shit.
I'd say more that it's weird for him to put such an emphasis on character
And yet a lot of guys have had run-ins with the law, which has in many cases been a decisive factor in their release. Cromartie, Naanee, Merriman (granted, the knee injury didn’t help his case), Cromartie again, the late Terrence Kiel…
Makes you wonder how closely he looks, or if scouting for character is just that much of a crapshoot.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 16, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Has A.J. had a lot of trouble with the law that I missed?
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by Richard Wade on Feb 16, 2012 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think AJ has
It would be all over the news if he did.
When it comes to drafting players with legal troubles, you got to look deep into it. I mean look at Ray Lewis. He had a big legal problem during the draft, but he’s still one of the NFL’s best leaders.
Ray Lewis had a legal problem during the draft?
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I think so
one of the reason why some teams didn’t even bother looking at him.
He was passed on in the draft due to his lack of size.
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domestic drama
had a few disputes and citations over domestic. The Marlin Barnes Murder.
I am not biggest AJ fan but...
Calling him on the worst is just plain non sense…
by Joan.Manuel.Martinez on Feb 17, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
If the Chargers pick a Receiver in the first, I sure hope it's not Floyd.
Chargers should either move way up to grab one of the top OL’s, OLB’s or CB’s. If they want a receiver, than move up for Blackmon. Otherwise I would rather stand pat and select Kendall Wright out of Baylor. Chargers really doesn’t have a player on offense that can really stretch the field and take it to the house. I’m not in favor of taking a receiver in the first when we truly need a stud pass rusher, even if we sign someone in FA. Most FA pass rushers are already in there 30’s. We still need a stud to start now and into the future.
I also see some nice receivers the Chargers can go after in the later rounds that can also stretch the field and put up yard after the catch. Players like TY Hilton, Joe Adams, Eric Page, Jarius Wright. All these guys can be had in the 3rd-4th rounds.
I would go hard at getting either Upshaw or Perry and Ingram as a 3rd choice.
Last year, I was hoping the Chargers would of made a move for Aldon Smith. Man what he could of done for us last season.
This season, I hope AJ doesn’t settle and decided to go balls to the wall and draft atleast 3 players that can be an immediate impact.
Weird, why did Nick Perry drop down Kiper's and McShay's boards?
With Upshaw and Ingram off the board, wouldn’t be the next pass rusher in line?
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I don't think Perry has ever been that high on either of their boards.
I still like him though.
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Right, but he was always in the mid-20s or so, and now for seemingly little reason, he's in the 30s.
He’ll probably get back up after the combine though.
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You guys think Donta Hightower
will be there in the 2nd Round us
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 16, 2012 3:25 PM PST reply actions
That would be a good pick if it happened.
Not probable though.
You think he'll be taken in the 1st or 2nd
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 16, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
I think there's some variability there
If you use the draft gurus as a gauge, there seems to be some differing opinions on him. Some are really high and others feel he’s more 2nd or 3rd round. If you figure the GMs will also vary similarly, then it just takes one team with a need and no other players they like more on the board to take him. But, if that confluence of events doesn’t happen, then he slips.
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Ha
I posted that Chargers were gonna select a WR in the first round on here months ago when everybody else said they would go pass rusher. Its kinda cool that i beat kiper to it.. but anyway they are not going to pick floyd…they are going to ideally i hope trade back to pick up an extra 2nd or third, then if he still is on board pick up Ashton Jefferey first round1..Curry 2 if hes on board. If curry is not at the time they pick in the second, it will be o- line or Barron if hes available… And as for pass rusher there is a sleeper who i think will be there Shea McClellin, DE, Boise State…but eh
And as for free agency
Leron Landry will wear powder blues next year…

Wow
AJ Smith looks really young in that picture.
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