Early Seven-Round Mock
Okay, so the offseason is just beginning. We haven't even seen the Combine yet, and a lot of the Chargers' needs will be decided by the free-agent moves we do or don't make. Will we re-sign Vincent Jackson? Will Marcus McNeill, Kris Dielman, and Nick Hardwick return? Does AJ break tradition to make a blockbuster move such as signing a Mario Williams or Tyvon Branch?
Time will tell, but based on how our roster is looking right now, here's my premature seven-round mock draft.
Round 1 (#18 overall): Nick Perry, OLB, Southern CaliforniaI thought long and hard about this one-- I used to have Vinny Curry here, but upon review, he's just not worthy of a pick this high. Perry has always struck me as the "other guy" in a 3-4 scheme: more finesse than brawn, who can take advantage of a disruptive force of nature on the other side to max out his potential-- the role that Shaun Philips played when we had a healthy Merriman, if you will. Nevertheless, he's a gifted pass rusher who can make an impact immediately, and he definitely has the tools to mature into a more complete linebacker. The hiring of his old coach Joe Barry will help out a lot with this, I think.
Round 2 (#50 overall): Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina
There really aren't any linemen who suit our needs in the second-- lots of tweener types or developmental picks-- so it's worth it to address the defensive backfield here. Norman shone at the East-West Shrine game, and has a natural grasp of the playbook. He's also a superb athlete and can stick with just about any receiver in the division if not the league. The media has repeatedly brought up his "character concerns", which should be a non-issue-- he was arrested during his freshman year for unpaid parking tickets, which he has since moved past and his teammates and coaches describe him as a leader on the team and in the community.
Round 3 (#82 overall): Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin
Kris Dielman has always been one of the best guards in the league, but with his age and recent concussion, it's time to start thinking about his replacement even if he does come back. Zeitler is a big, gritty warrior who does everything at least adequately. He's a mauler of a run blocker and has potential to become pretty good at pass pro-- the main knock on him is that he's slow off the snap, but Hal Hunter should be able to coach that up. He should be at least as good as Tyronne Green or Steve Schilling in his first year and should compete for a starting spot should Dielman retire.
Round 4 (#114 overall): Evan Rodriguez, FB/TE, Temple
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn if Jacob Hester walks, because he's easily replaceable. Rodriguez fills two needs here, as a very capable H-back who can lead block or line up at tight end. He's got great hands and is a threat when running with the ball too, but he isn't a top-flight lead blocker. He'll develop as he's asked to take that role more in the pros. Norval likes these type of players, and Rodriguez could eventually turn into Chris Cooley. Rodriguez also plays special teams-- and well, I might add.
Round 5 (#146 overall): Ryan Miller, OT, Colorado
He's really, really big, (6'8", weighs in around 300) but moves well for his size and doesn't often get beat around the edge by speed guys. He's also Hulkishly strong and has a nasty streak, but his height allows pass rushers-- especially bull-rush guys-- to get under him and gain the leverage advantage. Projects out to right tackle. Another guy who will benefit from pro coaching.
Round 6 (#178 overall): Gary Joe Kinne, QB, Tulsa
GJ Kinne is a bit short, a bit thick, and tougher than a bowl of nails. He's not a scrambler, but he can move the chains like a Jeff Garcia or Kyle Boller type in a pinch. He's also matured significantly in the last few years and as a senior did a much better job reading defenses and makes good throws-- his arm strength is a shade below the top level, but he's pretty accurate (completion percentage of 63.3 his senior year, and Tulsa's receiving core wasn't great) as well. Coming from a shotgun-spread at Tulsa into a pro-style offense will require adjustment. Overall, a gritty and intelligent guy who finds a way to win and should improve with the tutelage of Norv Turner and Philip Rivers. Will be perfectly qualified to hold the clipboard for a few years and move up to second-string when Volek retires.
Round 7 (#210 overall): Chris Rainey, WR/RB, Florida
I've projected us missing out on the Devon Wylie sweepstakes, so Rainey is a good option to fill the same role. He's diminutive at 5'9" and 174 lbs., but possesses explosive speed and can line up in the slot or the backfield. Elusive, with good hands--a great Sproles/McCluster change-up guy. His small size makes him an injury risk, but if he can add muscle without losing speed, he's an excellent scatback option.
UDFAs to consider:
Josh Chichester, TE/WR, Louisville: Doesn't have great stats and is not a blocking tight end by any stretch of the imagination, but led the Cardinals in receiving touchdowns this past season, is a significant vertical threat, and he'd immediately be one of the tallest receivers in the league at 6'8". Can't overstate the bit about his height-- can you imagine Rivers playing pitch-and-catch with that guy in the red zone?
Hebron Fangupo, DL, Brigham Young: Nasty and physical. Gets his pads a bit high and isn't a factor in the pass rush game, but could grow up to be a Jamal Williams type anchor-of-the-line. We can always use depth along the line, as this past season has proven.
Miles Burris, OLB, San Diego State: The hometown boy is a capable pass-rusher, a hard worker, a vicious hitter, and a special-teams stud. He's fast enough to chase down plays outside, and versatile enough to play inside or outside. Doesn't have a great drop into coverage, and is a bit of a one-dimensional pass rush guy at this point, but he brings the hustle, vocal leadership, and meanness that the defense has lacked since Merriman departed. Again, you can't have too many pass rushers.
Lance Mitchell, SS, Oregon State: He's a half-step slow, but has good instincts and good intuition, so he's usually around the ball. Good tackler as well, but doesn't have the athleticism to be an impact player. Worth a look as a camp body.
Ifeanyi Momah, WR, Boston College: A guy I love. Why? I'll just quote the NFP review on him:
Loves to get after it in the run game as a run blocker. Generates a pop into contact, loves to pick off defenders at the second level and has a real physical element to his game. Will play as a rush DE in nickel situations for the defense and brings a defensive type mentality as a blocker.
He's also very big for a wideout (six foot six). Good acceleration, doesn't have the best flat-out speed, but uses his burst and his shiftiness to evade coverage and get off of jams. Can still be a vertical threat of the same caliber as Jackson or Floyd, but he'll take a bit of grooming.
If you've got any other UDFA prospects to add, post them in the comments. Feedback on the draft picks is appreciated too. I do want to address the absence of a strong safety being drafted-- but unfortunately, unless we spring for Barron in the first, where we have bigger needs, there's nobody who would be an immediate upgrade over Stuckey and/or Gregory.
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This looks good..............
Probably closer to what we need than some of the mocks on Walterfootball I’ve seen so far.
I think the coaching staff’s recent comments about Stuckey suggest he will likely be starting at SS. I also saw we signed Deandre Mcdaniel who was a SS out of Clemson in the 2011 draft. I read some of the scouting reports on Mcdaniel and he got really high marks coming out of college……some said he could be the first SS off the board. He went undrafted, but this guy was top prospect at SS in 2011. I think we probably retain Oliver or Gregory and one of them hits the road with Bob Sanders. I’m not expecting any moves to be made in FA or the first 3 rounds of the draft at SS.
1) Perry in the first looks good. I think he’s probably there and think we hired USC’s linebackers coach. This fills a need and isn’t a reach.
2) I’d prefer not to take a CB in the 2nd. Based on my earlier comments about safety looks like Jammer isn’t moving so we have 3 CBs (Jammer/Cason/Gilchrest) and Shareece Wright and Dante Hughes. We drafted 2 CBs last year (Gilchrest and Wright). Other possibilities:
Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
3) I like Zeitler in the 3rd. If we went with Osemele i the 2nd other possibilities:
Nick Jean-Baptiste, DT/NT, Baylor (in case Garay is gone)
Derek Wolfe, DE/DT, Cincinnati (in case Castillo is gone)
LaMichael James*, RB, Oregon
4) Really like the Rodriguez pick. Would be a good value in the 4th. If we took Fleener in the 2nd other possibilities:
Ronnie Hillman*, RB, San Diego State
Audie Cole, ILB, North Carolina State
Carmen Messina, ILB, New Mexico
Jarrett Boykin, WR, Virginia Tech
Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU
After the 4th I’m fine with taking the best player available. I think we should be grooming a Rivers back up here soon. Volek is getting pretty old.
Late round/ UDFA possibilities:
Cordarro Law, DE/OLB, Southern Miss – could see us drafting 2 OLB prospects
Derek Moye, WR, Penn State – Huge WR capable of winning jump balls
Devon Wylie, WR, Fresno State – injury issues could push him to later rounds
Hebron Fangupo, DT/NT, BYU
Cody Johnson, FB, Texas
Greg Childs, WR, Arkansas
T-Bob Hebert, C, LSU
Adrien Cole, ILB, Louisiana Tech
Really well done mock! I’m sure we’ll know more after the first couple weeks of free Agency.
I went back and forth on the second round.
Almost had us taking Osemele there, but his size might limit his ability to play inside (sight lines and leverage issues for a guard), and he’s been knocked for being difficult to motivate. A milquetoast coach like Norv Turner wouldn’t be able to bring out the best in him.
Fleener is talented, and I would go with him if we weren’t able to address that position more easily later (Rodriguez, Chichester). There’s less difference between a second-round and fifth-round TE than there is between an early and late round corner. Jammer is on the downside of his effectiveness, Cason’s flaws were exposed last year, Gilchrist is unproven (though I believe he will mature into a starter within two years), and one of either Wright or Hughes won’t make it through the season— they both fill the same role as nickel corners and are out of their depth on the island. When a corner as talented as Norman comes along and you have the ability to fill other needs at a later slot, you take the corner.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 12, 2012 1:15 AM PST up reply actions
I'd be interested to hear what u think will happen in free agency.....
I don’t think we’re going to go after a Safety. There are some pretty good CBs and WRs available in FA……………….also MLB looked pretty deep in the FA market.
I was thinking CB might be a good position to target in FA……especially since CBs are almost never ready to contribute right away.
Brandon Carr, CB, Chiefs. Age: 26
Cortland Finnegan, CB, Titans. Age: 28
Brent Grimes, CB, Falcons. Age: 29
I’m not sure what it would take, but I’d love to sign Brandon Carr at CB. I also think Robert Mathis might be a good value at OLB.
Ooh, yes. I like Carr. Not sure about Mathis, but he'd be a good rental if affordable.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 12, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Grimes and Mathis have both been franchise tagged since your post
Brandon Carr would be a great add to this team. He’s a proven commodity and wouldn’t take a draft pick to get him.
you also have
Richard Marshall
CB | Arizona Cardinals
Age: 27 | FA Type: Unrestricted
Marshall’s experience (55 career starts) and versatility (he can play cornerback or safety) are assets. Moreover, he is still relatively young. The Cardinals would like to re-sign him, but he figures to draw interest from other clubs.
and
Cortland Finnegan
CB | Tennessee Titans
Age: 28 | FA Type: Unrestricted
Finnegan is one of the game’s better players at a position that has become exceedingly valuable with passing on the increase and the stellar play of quarterbacks one of the defining traits of the 2011 season. He is instinctive, competitive and tough, will not back down from opponents and is capable of shutting down quality receivers when he’s at his best. He will be very much in demand if Tennessee allows him to test the market.
Well, teams that showed interest in Wylie besides SD at the shrine game were Buffalo, Baltimore, and Jacksonville.
Two of which pick before the Chargers.
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by ROFLCOPTER16 on Feb 12, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Do you guys think we should draft more than one pass rusher?
We could possibly get Bruce Irvin, Vinny Curry, or Ronnell Lewis in the 2nd or 3rd round.
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 12, 2012 8:38 PM PST reply actions
I actually rather like the idea of drafting multiple pass rushers should the opportunity present itself.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 12, 2012 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yea me too
we desperately need a pass rush
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 12, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
I like the end result of having multiple pass rushers
But not the means of acquiring them, which would be to pass on another need position to get that player. I suppose the biggest luxury pick on my mock is Josh Norman, because there’s no immediate hole at CB, and that’d be a good slot to grab Curry or Irvin.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 12, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Don't think we need a corner this early
We drafted 2 CBs last year already in the 2nd and 3rd and think they both will pan out and benefit from a full off season. The DBs will benefit more from a pass rush rather than a another DB, but if we didn’t get Gilchrist or Wright then I think Norman would be a wise choice.
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 12, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
I'd draft one high .....1st or 2nd......
Then one late……………..4th – 7th.
A guy like Cordero Law might be there in the 4th or 5th. I’m all for drafting 2 OLBs just like we did with CB last year.
You could even go 1st and 3rd…….and get a guy like Shea Mclellin in the 3rd.
I was thinking we’d probably have a FA OLB brought in as well so drafting 2 and bringing 1 in via FA might put too many OLBs on the roster, unless we’re thinking Laboy and English might be gone.
Hope Laboy is gone for sure
as for English, he might be on the IR again.
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
I think most of English’s money has already been paid so he’s cheap to keep around. Not sure about Laboy. Phillips missed like 5 games last year too didn’t he?
I’m thinking draft 2 and bring in 1 FA who will be able to “contribute” immediatley.
I don’t hate Laboy as much as everyone else seems to. He’s not a difference maker and was brought in to be a rotational player who then was forced to play way more than he was suppossed to because everyone got hurt. He’s just a guy…………..not a difference maker. Expecting him to be anything more was just people having unrealistic expectations.
True
we really didn’t have anyone when English and Phillips were down.
I think we could get Jarrett Johnson or Manny Lawson in FA if he’s cheap for some depth maybe.
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 13, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
I'm hoping for Robert Mathis..........
I realize he is not the “long term solution” but I’m pretty sure the coaching staff and GM are officially looking to win now as well as building for the future.
I think Mathis might end up being less expensive than many think for the following reasons:
- He’s 31
- He’s waaaay too small to play DE anywhere but Indy……even in a 4-3. 245 lbs
is small even at OLB
- He’ll have to convert to OLB
So there is some risk bringing him in as a FA, which could drive the price down a bit.
But he’d be worth taking a look at. Probably cheaper than Clif Aviril or Anthony Spencer. He’s super durable and doesn’t miss games. He has a relentless motor. And he has been super consistent over the years.
I think he could make an impact as an OLB.
Would be nice move
he could even teach our hopefully rookie OLBs some pass rush moves.
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
If AJ decides he wants to go best player available
a guy who could be left is vontaze burfict. I like him. For some reason he reminds me of Ray Lewis coming out of college. Similar concerns. I like him and think that if they don’t get a monster pass rusher i want him
His stock has been falling
Cause of his work ethic and off the field issues. We could probably get him in the 2nd (hopefully) and learn under Spikes and Phillips (depending on whether we put him at OLB or ILB)
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 15, 2012 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
I think he is hands down the best MLB in the draft.....................
I think he has the highest ceiling by far and I think he’s better than Kuechly out of Boston College. The guy is an animal and a really impressive athlete. He could be a dominant MLB/ILB in the NFL.
I think there is no way he makes it out of the first, and highly unlikely he slips past the Ravens in the late 20s.
they have the perfect role model/mentor for him
Ray Lewis could do set the ravens defense for the next decade with this kid if he is allowed to mentor him.
Exactly...............
I think he will be there at 18, and I REALLY like this kid. I think he could be a real difference maker. Him and Butler could be like P. Willis and N. Bowman.
But, if we did take him in the 1st we still need an OLB right? Even if we bring in a FA pass rusher we probably still need to draft one. So then that would mean we go MLB in the first and OLB in the 2nd? I don’t know why but that just sounds strange to me.
Yea i know
we could still get Vinny Curry, Bruce Irvin, or Ronnell Lewis in the 2nd or 3rd
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 17, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Nobody is ready to write off Jonas Mouton yet.
Which is a shame, because I have an unpleasant hunch that he’ll turn out to be a waste of a perfectly good second-round pick.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 18, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
I'm excited to see what he can do this off season
I was a big fan of him in Michigan and he is a solid tackler, its highly unlikely we are gonna get Burficit, but would be nice to have a rotation at LB to keep them fresh every play
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 18, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Yea i know
we could still get Vinny Curry, Bruce Irvin, or Ronnell Lewis in the 2nd or 3rd
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 17, 2012 5:39 PM PST reply actions
Okay, I'm sketching out Mock 2.0
My question is this: Will the difference between a first and second round pass rusher be negligible enough to address something else in the first? Or in essence, is the drop-off from Nick Perry to Curry/Irvin/Lewis less than the glaring hole we have at SS and impending hole at WR?
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So much will depend on what happens in FA this year............
I think we all suspect management might do things a little differently this year and really try to bring in some FA talent. So I think FA starts 1st or 2nd week of March and then the draft isn’t until April 26th to 28th so management will have some time to negotiate with FAs prior to the draft. Who were able to sign and retain will dramatically effect our draft strategy. I think it’s more volatile this year because we’re likely to be more active in FA.
He did bring in Spikes and Sanders.
One didn’t perform as advertised, but the other was a solid pickup. Unfortunately, this year we’ve got a lot more to address and cap concerns on top of those.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Feb 22, 2012 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
We should get a TE in FA
we could get Fred Davis, Visanthe Shiancoe, Martellus Bennett, Joel Dreessen, John Carlson, or Jacob Tamme
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 23, 2012 7:34 PM PST reply actions
There are some FA tight ends out there...........
Fred Davis is talented but a bit of a head case. He’d be worth signing if it wasn’t for top TE money. He failed multiple drug tests last year and is facing a 1 year suspension if he messes up again. Thought was the Skins would offer him a 1 year “show me” deal to prove he could act right.
I think Shiancoe and Dreesen are too old. Both are over 30 and Shiancoe may actually be 32 or 33. I don’t think Shiancoe would be a big upgrade from McMichael who we have been fortunate to have.
I like Fred Davis, John Carlson, and Tamme though.
My favorites are Carlson and Tamme
I would like Fred Davis too, but he’s too much of an off the field concern and I agree the Redskins will probably give him a prove it deal anyway
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 25, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Carlson really flashed his rookie season..............
Then he kind of disappeared…………….I think he had a bit of a Sophmore slump (not sure how much of that was due to QB play) and then I think he missed all of last season injured. I think he had a shoulder injury.
I would really like it if we could get this guy signed “if” he is healthy. I don’t think it will take a ton of money, he’s still young, and he’s shown he can be brilliant when paired with a solid QB. If he’s healthy and ready to play I think he would be an upgrade from Mcmichael and could be a legit #1 TE.
Yea I know
The Seahawks will most likely let him go because they have Zach Miller now, hope he comes cheap and we wouldn’t have to get a TE in the draft.
by chargerclipperfan on Feb 25, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
its impossible to do a mock draft with AJ Smith as you GM....
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