San Diego Chargers Fire Defensive Coordinator Greg Manusky
by Richard Wade on Jan 5, 2012 10:14 AM PST
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PrintThe mob demanded blood and the San Diego Chargers have graciously made an offering in the form of first year Defensive Coordinator, Greg Manusky (per Kevin Acee). Hired to replace former DC Ron Rivera after Rivera became the Carolina Panthers Head Coach last off season, Manusky oversaw a defense that fell from #1 overall in 2010 to 16th in 2011.
General Manager A.J. Smith has preached that his teams must have a dominating, dictating defense and Manusky's was anything but dominating. Some will point to injuries to key players like Bob Sanders, Luis Castillo and Shaun Phillips. Some others will point to a lack of impact players and quality depth. Some others still will point to a shortened off season that likely hurt defenses more than offenses. All of these factors are at least partially responsible for the defense's failures this year, but it was reported repeatedly by Kevin Acee and others that the Chargers regretted hiring Manusky and that they felt he was consistently outcoached by opposing offenses.
Defensive coordinator Greg Manusky has been fired.
— S.D. U-T Chargers (@sdutChargers) January 5, 2012
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scRAPEgoat?
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
crapgoat
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I vote for crapgoat.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 5, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
goatscaping?
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
by Hormel on Jan 5, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec
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and it is a bit of a scapegoat situation
AJ gives Greg crappy players and expects him to turn them into a top 10 defense with 3 weeks of offseason and a slew of injuries.
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
then again
it was essentially the same defense as last year, and while last year’s defense’s #1 ranking was a bit of a mirage, we did have a pretty big step back this year with the same or better players.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 5, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
7th in DVOA to 29th in DVOA. That's actually worse than the 1st to 16th in yardage.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 5, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It's what I've tried to tell people who think the special teams inflated that ranking.
It was barely a factor. A big stat is that the Chargers were first in the league at forcing 3-and-outs in 2010.
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Didn't the Chargers allow teams to convert on about 50% of their third downs?
That’s atrocious and every D-Coordinator had the same time to work with including Fangio who took over Manusky’s job in SF. Many people thought they would be worse with a new D-Coordinator, coach, and the loss of players like Spikes and Lawson. Obviously they have talent on defense, but look what Fangio did with the unit.
This year, yes. The Chargers sucked. Last year, not so much.
San Fran has Patrick Willis, Justin Smith, Aldon Smith and Navarro Bowman. They are all top players at their position according to FO. The only players the Chargers have that are above average are Garay and Butler. San Fran is stacked with talent at the front 7. San Diego is not. A rookie, a baltimore castoff, a canadian, a geriatric with neck muscles, a PBA star, a mythical japanese monster, a comedian, a wrestler and a waterboy are the supporting cast shared by Luis Castillo and Donald Butler, the only 2 true impact players on the front 7.
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Well,
Manusky had three of those four guys last year and the 49ers defense has performed had a much higher level under Fangio then it did under Manusky last year despite the three weeks of offseason.
I do think Phillips has talent, but he is getting older and suffered through injuries this year.
The 49er offense is assloads better than last year
less pressure on the D. They have better players, too. Don’t forget, Rivers singlehandedly gave away a good 3 games with his picks and fumbles.
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
But
don’t you think Fangio has done a better job than Manusky?
yup.
But Manusky did fine too. just not as good.
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
His players seemed to disagree.
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san fran, not san diego
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
A PBA star?
That’s all Philips gets?
The larger point is true, but Phillips is also an impact player.
Unless you think you can do better than you should shut your mouth you fake fan!
by Orz on Jan 5, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'll have what he's having!
I hoped someone would start to green my comment. I gave everyone nicknames!
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
it was all meant to be comedic.
I’ve always liked Phillips
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
I feel bad for the guy because Norv was outcoached sometimes too...
And Manusky was thrown into a bad situation. I wouldn’t be surprised if the team that picks him up has an improved defense this coming season.
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 10:23 AM PST reply actions
I doubt he gets another coordinator position this year.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 5, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe the Eagles hire him as their offensive line coach
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 10 recs
The Chargers are bunch of laxidasical unerachievers (except Weddle)
and that’s not going to change until we get a head coach that can change the mentallity of the locker room. Until the Chargers get a real HC (instead of the OC we currently have), Chargers fans have nothing but mediocrity to look forward to. Here’s to another 8-8 season in 2012 (if we’re lucky).
Sorry for the negativity guys, I’m just really frustrated with this team right now.
I can appreciate that the HC is supposed to motivate his team
But between Norv, the DC, and all of the position coaches, there are a lot of men on that sideline. Why is Norv the only one that takes heat for not “motivating” guys? There are plenty of people that should be putting foot to ass for “laxadasical play.”
Perfect example of "better options available."
As Deanos said, one key reason he didn’t make the coaching/GM change was because alternative options were limited. Interesting DC candidates out there:
Spags
Sparano
Del Rio
Nolan
Pagano
by Andy (allfield) on Jan 5, 2012 10:40 AM PST reply actions
not the worst pickins...
Nolan would be coo, but giving Pagano the promotion would be some nice motivation to prove himself worthy. he’s got some bloodlines too and that seems to count for something in the League.
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Nolan or Spags. Yes.
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Acee: "This likely is not last axe to fall on coaching staff."
What does this mean? Could this mean Strength and Conditioning coach Hurd?
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
Saw this somewhere
“EKaberonEli Kaberon
Per source, the new #Chargers defensive coordinator will be picked by GM AJ Smith, not head coach Norv Turner. Team will stay with the 3-4."
Anyone else think this is a bad sign, if true? I believe AJ picked Ted Cottrell…
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Jan 5, 2012 10:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
He did, but I don't think he had a lot of options.
Marty wanted Kurt, got fired late (relatively) in the offseasopn…I can’t say it with absolute certainty, but I don’t think there were many viable options. Also, he new him from Buffalo.
Was Manusky a Norv or AJ decision?
Anyone know?
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Jan 5, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
According to Acee, it was a group decision
"Rob Johnson does not suck" --me
"Norf is straight up awesome on b-holes out there."--TheThinGwynn (sort of)
"I hate Rob Johnson's stupid face"-- sdchicken
And Rivera hit the market late that year IIRC
I always felt like AJ brought him in under Cottrell because he wanted to promote him to DC as soon as he had an excuse to.
This must be the "continuity" Dean keeps preaching
Scapegoating more assistant coaches… What a joke.
What can we expect from John Pagano?
Similar scheme as his brother in Baltimore?
Why not make a move for Mike Nolan, proven commodity?
Not sure they won't
But nice to have Pagano as a fall back.
by Frozen_Pizza on Jan 5, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
According to Acee on the UT Pagano is getting the DC
So its not a fallback, Pagano appears to be the guy, from Acee today: “Another source indicated that Chargers linebackers coach John Pagano is in line to replace Manusky”.
I'm sure they'll interview other guys too
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by Cake or Death on Jan 5, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
I prefer Mike Nolan
I simply don’t know what to expect from Pagano, I already know Nolan is a really good DC.
I like Mike too
but my guess would be Pagano since he was passed up last year.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Jan 5, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Hopefully similar to Baltimore
Per Acee: “Players I talked to past few days overwhelmingly wanted Manusky gone. Many endorsed John Pagano and/or DB coach Steve Wilks as replacement.”
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Jan 5, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
oooh.
If it’s steve wilks, then maybe a new assistant head coach? one who is better at time management? No, either way…I’d prefer a new assistant head coach.
I still want Bisaccia to have that role.
I think it’d have a very positive effect on the team’s discipline, focus and propensity to choke.
Yeah, I agree
I had hoped he would take that role when they first hired him.
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by Cake or Death on Jan 5, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe LeBron James could decide who will be hired for Strengh and Conditioning
Is it a bad thing we’re letting the players make all the decsions?
Agree 100%
and more if I could. Humans are like electricity. They take the path of least resistance. Perhaps these players are doing the same, and sticking with what they know and who they like. I want a guy to come in that the guys don’t hate, but who will get after them if they are playing like ass.
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What kind of background does out special teams coach have?
by Lightning619 on Jan 5, 2012 11:10 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Special teams.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 5, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
The move is worth a shot. Charger fans were told Manure ski would run Ron Riveras 3/4 defense except it would be more aggresive. The fact is only one team (Indy Colts) blitzed less than the Chargers this year. The Charger defense was the most predictable in the NFL. The two best teams in football (Saints & Packers) have matched their high powered offense with aggressive blitzing defense knowing creating turnovers or at least an up tempo was giving them the advantage. (Chargers are going to win most shoot outs)…..
Bear in mind
That those teams were also playing ahead for a lot of their games and, thus, able to really dial up the blitz and pressure and take more risks on defense. While I agree with the Manusky firing I do believe that some of the vanilla was due in large part to playing from behind or in close games so much. Also, lets not forget the #1 defense from last year was due in a large part to the bizarre special teams play and the short fields that opposing offenses were constantly playing with.
On a per play basis they were still an excellent defense.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 5, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Packers D hasn't really been that impressive
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by Cake or Death on Jan 5, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
The Packers and Saints both have crappy defenses.
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I can't say I am surprised
Apparently he was pretty unpopular with the players as well.
Wow, no interviews?
Acee: “RT @solaroy: Any chance Chargers interview Del Rio/Nolan/Spagnuolo? Or is Pagano done deal?>Pretty much done. They wish done it in ’11”
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
Once again What can we expect in the play calling of Pagano?
Sounds like he learned mostly from Wade Phillips he has been in San Diego a long time, if a remember Wade:
- Priority on stopping the run, and blitzing
- Corner in a island will take risks and once in a while get seriosly burned (shootout in Cincy in’06 is memorable)
- Most of the disguising in the front 7.
That is better than what they had under Manusky.
While they obviously know more about these candidates then we do
I am still shocked they are not at least interviewing. It really isn’t the change they are claiming is coming if they just continue to promote in house without talking to another soul. Does Dean like this guy on a personal level like Turner and Smith? Not sure if that is the way to make decisions. How do you know if someone else is better or worse without at least talking to them?
Maybe this is the bosses conceding that personnel (injuries, lack of talent) was the real problem. Gotta wait and see what he brings. Gotta be better than what we had!
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PFT suggestion-reporting interest in Spagnuolo as "head coach-defense"
by Lenny Suckerpunch on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM PST reply actions
That's bull
They’ve already said they’ll be sticking with a 3-4 and Acee said they won’t interview Spags.
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by Cake or Death on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
All these personnel moves going on can't blind us from what still needs to get done, BFTB
and that’s making sure John eats his hat.
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 12:57 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Condiments or no?
I thought Pagano was headed to the college ranks. ??
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by Buck Melanoma on Jan 5, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
He probably thought Turner was on the way out,
but he isn’t, so he is staying for at least this season.
he was considered for UCLA,
but it seems they are settling for Manusky.
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 5, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Pagano is probably it!
Sapnos painted himself in a corner…
No self respecting DC will come here with the possiblity of Norv & Aj being fired next year. Why hire onto a possible one year situation unless said DC can possibly take over as HC after Norv/AJ get the axe. Therefore Pagano is probably the choice as an outside DC won’t want to come into a possible lame duck situation
Unless said coordinator rides in to save the day
If the Defense pulls a 180 and everything else stays inconsistent then the defensive coordinator would have a good chance of becoming the Head Coach. Especially if he “inspires” the players. Also, consider the commitment to continuity.
There are only so many DC jobs to go around and you're not stealing someone else's.
I think a guy with no job or who would be getting promoted to DC would take just about any DC position.
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