AJ Smith and Norv Turner Both to Return to Lead the San Diego Chargers in 2012
by creanium on Jan 3, 2012 11:35 AM PST
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The San Diego Chargers have just announced that Dean Spanos — owner and Chairman of the Board — has decided to keep Head Coach Norv Turner and General Manager AJ Smith for the 2012 Season.
In the midst of their 6-game losing streak, it seemed all but certain that one or both would be shown the door. But the recent successes off the team, and strong ending, have made Dean perform an apparent about face and keep both on.
Bottom line, I believe these two men give us the best chance to get back to the playoffs, A.J. Smith is the best man to improve our roster, and Norv Turner is the best man to lead that roster on the field.
In recent days, many fans had seemed to be split on how the team should go forward. The recent consensus seemed to be that Norv Turner should stay, but AJ Smith should be shown the door. The Chargers were quick to point out though:
During Smith’s nine-year tenure as general manager (2003-11), the Chargers have won 88 games and five AFC West titles. Only three teams (New England, Indianapolis and Pittsburgh) have won more games or division titles during that time.
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Since Turner took over as head coach, he has earned an impressive 52-34 overall record (including 3-3 in the postseason), the highest overall winning percentage in franchise history (.605).
I think it's pretty obvious at this point though that should the Chargers fail to make the playoffs for a third season in a row, both men will be given their walking papers.
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Continue to say YESS!! to mediocrity.
and another 8-8 year
This is the worst news I heard all season, I knew this was a throw away season when we hit that midseason skid..the first 5 games when we started 4-1 the Chargers didnt beat any good teams. The midseason skid began once the Chargers started to play good teams.
So next year, another throw away season, Philip Rivers and Antonio Gates get one year older.
Thanks to AJ, the talent has steadily declined in the past 3 years and will continue to do so.
Now that I think of it,
Bringing in new HC / GM probably wouldn’t work right away, so I suppose we’re rolling the dice on going all the way this year.
Worst case, we lose another year and delay the rebuilding process (dang, that is bad…)
Me too.
But TJB isn’t the first person I’ve seen reiterate that comment like it’s something new.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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Yeah, its a broken record no doubt
Its like we’re some guy who’s doctor keeps telling him “You need to get that thing removed” and we’re afraid of going through with the procedure…
Let’s hope we survive
With a half-stocked team. That’s prudent.
by Bryan Spangenberg on Jan 3, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Seriously, the man has the memory of exactly 1 game.
Beat the Ravens: KEEP AJ AND NORV!
Poop the bed against the Lions: FIRE AJ AND NORV!
Beat the Raiders: KEEP AJ AND NORV!
by classicmfk on Jan 3, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Us Chiefs fans are ecstatic about this, guys!
by bossmanham on Jan 3, 2012 11:42 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
i would guess this warms the heart of the rwst of the AFC west
by troyd on Jan 3, 2012 11:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The Chargers under Norv are 21-8 against the AFC West.
Not sure why they’re so happy.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe they're happy with the 8 wins?
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
...That none of the rest of the division could top.
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As long as rivers keeps bouncing balls off of his fingers.
That sounded really wrong, but truth is spoken.
That sound likely to you?
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Pretty easy to dominate a division when three of the teams are terrible.
Chiefs going through Herm era. Raiders not having a winning season in 9 years and counting. Broncos screwing up left and right. Well congrats for winning that division forever.
But as I predicted last year, the Chargers are on the decline. The other teams are getting better and the Chargers aren’t. They’re probably declining. This stubborn refusal to change only helps.
The Raiders have no draft this year. I don't think they're getting better.
We’ll see about the Chiefs and Broncos.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
The Raiders I think also still have cap issues
Signing free agents will be a problem for them too. But, don’t quote me on that.
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I also read this somewhere today
not sure where tough
by sixpakfrombelgium on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah U think
Orton is gonna lead u to the promised land? Good Luck with that. He is the broncos trash.
I dunno.
He immediately made the Chiefs offense better where Cassel couldn’t do anything. I think he’s our best bet since we’re not in a position to draft a qb, but also don’t hold any high hopes of keeping him.
At least he threw fewer picks than Rivers, hehe.
I like Orton if I'm a Chiefs fan. He's a quality player.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I also like Orton
If I’m a number of other teams. We’ll see where he lands.
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The Chiefs should trade Cassell.
Orton’s only problem is that if he gets hurt he plays like crap. Cassell has that problem too, with less upside.
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Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 3, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Oops. Cassel.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 3, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
They probably should only trade Cassel
If they re-sign Orton though. If I’m, say, the Redskins I’d probably outbid the Chiefs for Orton.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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You sure about that?
I mean, he was better than Palko, but he seemed on par with Cassel (which I guess is pretty good since Cassel had a couple years in the offense). From what I saw though, Chiefs relied on run game and were afraid to let Orton handle too much.
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I don't know
The first game Orton played for us, he hit every eligible receiver in the game except an OL guy that was eligible on one play.
He makes progressions well, doesn’t lock on to one guy, can move defenders with his eyes – all things that I rarely, if ever, saw Cassel do with any consistency.
Also, that “horrible o-line” we had for weeks and weeks with Cassel suddenly looked a lot better with Orton in there – and I think it has more to do with him than the line itself. He had good pocket presence and didn’t get rattled easily. Cassel got sacked a ton – because he couldn’t make speedy reads and get the ball out of his hand fast enough. Either that or he just spent too long waiting for the one guy he was locked in on to finally break free.
I love Cassel as a person and he’s a character guy – but I would just prefer to never have him throw a ball in KC again. I’d certainly start Orton over him if given the choice.
by Ochophosphate on Jan 3, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Alright
I’m fine with that determination. I am an Orton fan after all (Boiler Up).
I will say that the two definitely are stylistically different. Orton was always good at avoiding sacks (usually with quicker throws) and Cassel is like Roethlisberger without the escapability.
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After having only been here 2 weeks, a good bit of it with a broken finger, in a new offense that hadn't done squat all year;
he came in and had two 300 yard passing games.
Cassel has only done that 4 times in his career with the Chiefs.
Regarding how much they wanted to give Orton, seemed the game against Denver the playcalling got way too conservative in the second half. But we’ll be getting a new OC, so I’m not too worried about terrible playcalling in the future.
Wonko likes Orton more than you do. Just so you know.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
I just don't want him on the Chiefs.
Or in the AFC at all.
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Not Orton
But with our cap room we can sign Peyton if he’s healthy & available.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Because this gives them a chance, we are not a lock for the AFC west title like we were for so many years.
And mr stat guy, how have the chargers done the last 2 years against the west? And there are many reasons to believe it will be worse next year
6-6 against division opponents in the last 2 years.
That, my friends, is known as a decline.
Good point. Only the last two years count.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
not so sure
If the Broncos stay with Tebow, there is a very good chance that they will be wildly erratic next year. The Cheifs are in the midst of another coaching change, and the Raiders seem like they are in a bit of upheaval themselves.
I don’t think the AFC West looks any scarier next year than it did this year.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 3, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
And if not for a couple fluky plays
we’re looking at another 5-1 record against the West.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But they're not predictive.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I'm glad I'm not superstitious.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Chargers: Commitment to Mediocrity.
What a joke.
by Bryan Spangenberg on Jan 3, 2012 11:43 AM PST reply actions
It is surprising
With the Chargers offense you guys should be going 12-4 playing in the AFCW. Hasn’t Norv gone 8-8 three times now already?
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Twice. 49-31 overall. Second best mark in franchise history.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm..
Kinda relieved, no better options out there. Notice that there was nothing said about a DC. I hope we go out and get an aggresive, established DC and draft some monster potential on defense. Maybe an OL in the middle rounds to add some depth and competition, but if we draft more than 2 offensive players this yr I’m gonna be pissed. Unless we make some big FA moves.
by Lightning619 on Jan 3, 2012 11:44 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Spagnolo is basically a done deal to Philly.
Or so I’ve heard.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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Norv made it pretty clear he wants Manusky to stay
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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I don't know about that
He supported Crosby and they still fired him.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Jan 3, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
True.
But, Crosby had years to get his system in place. Manusky had one shortened offseason.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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And sill had similar results from his time with the 49ers
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
49ers defenses had been good
I don’t remember the Chargers defense being good this year.
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Manusky showed a distinct lack of creativity when he couldn't get any pressure with 4 rushers.
I don’t hold out much hope for them next year unless AJ can pull off a miracle offseason and get some help in that area.
He did lose
His starting DE (Castillo), his projected starting OLB (English), over a quarter of a season from his best OLB (Phillips), his starting S (Sanders) and Jammer regressed significantly. All in his first season on the job with these guys. There is something to be said for it not entirely being his fault.
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Whoops
That should have been a third of the season from Phillips. Who had a very low sack total from the games he did play, while Barnes got to double digits.
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Not to mention
Shortened offseason.
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Which impacted defenses more than offenses from the look of the league.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
next man up.
no excuses…
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
That's a childish way to look at it.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Tell that to the Packers, when they won the 2010 superbowl
next man up is what carried then though the season to the play-offs
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
And how many times does that happen?
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It happened once. That means every team should be able to do it now.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So
We should favor teams with lots of injuries over teams without them without regard to any other factors. Got it.
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Exactly.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Every team has injuries, and 12 of them are in the play-offs
must be doing something different than here. like winning.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
All teams had the exact same number and type of injuries to the same quality of player?
That’s crazy. I didn’t know that until just now.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Learn something new every day.
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Glad i could help. because you needed it.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
No. they lost half the O-line in Greenbay, and only lost 1 game
no guess you could say they’ve done it Twice.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
No doubt he got hit badly with the luck stick.
My point is it seems like he kept trying to do the same thing he would have done if those guys were there. And it never worked. I don’t know what he could have done differently because I’m not a defensive coordinator, but I expect him to figure something out.
Look at the Patriots and Lions games for examples of trying the same thing over and over expecting different results. That’s what I mean by lack of creativity.
I also expect him to figure something out
I just would think it would be more reasonable to expect him to do it with a more talented unit and a full offseason to prepare.
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Sure, but that wasn't the hand he was dealt.
And I think he played his hand pretty poorly all things considered. There were times watching those two games where I just stared at the screen with my mouth open wondering why in the hell we were STILL sitting back in zone coverage after 2 quarters of that strategy failing miserably.
You don't change gameplans that dramatically during a game
It just doesn’t happen. Especially with a unit that barely knows the system to begin with.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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Exactly
Besides Castillo and Jammer you can practically guarantee those other guys are going to be injured again, so we will be dealing with the Bront Birds of the world again next year.
Good thing Castillo and Jammer are the two most important pieces that got hurt.
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SP95
I think he is at least in the same group if not more important than Jammer based on his performance this year
Poor phrasing on my part.
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do mean this year, or when Manusky was there?
because the 49ers defense was not good when he was there. they are good, now that he is not.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
49ers defense was #3 in overall DVOA when he was the DC in 2009
They did regress in 2010 to #13. Still, top half of the league. He was known for running a good defense in SF. Anything said otherwise is revisionist history.
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That's his favorite kind of history.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wonko. Stats never got them to the play-offs did it.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Sometimes I wonder if you're a real person or just a gimmick account. Honestly.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
#DOTSY
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one day i'll show you my USB port at the base of my skull..
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No.
Historically bad offenses never got them there either. Shocking, I know.
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The Offense isn't in question. here. it's the Defense and it's DC
i gave Manusky a pass, because of the shortened offseason and the injuries. but he has not come up with a plan to overcome them. Remember when we watched Cason get burned. pick a game. at what point did manusky make adjustments to stop this? Even with Castillo gone, he still only rushed three? his words were this D was going to be more aggressive. he and i have to different views on aggression.
the fact is the 49ers don’t miss him. i always believed it was the players that helped that DVOA and not so much manusky. to make my case they still basically have the same squad, minus LaBoy and Spikes, and they got better. much better. only allowed ONE rushing touch down all season.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
You make good points (finally)
But Manusky performance was not bad in SF. That’s all I was saying.
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Patrick Willis.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say sh-- or fu-- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 3, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
True.
The SF defense this year definitely took a step back for the games he was out. Pretty amazing actually. Guy is a stud.
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They also have Aldon Smith and Justin Smith
and Navarro Bowman. FO shows that 5 of their front 7 are above average. It also shows that 2 of San Diego’s front 7 are above average. (Butler and Garay) Which is why I, as a very attentive analyst, am not calling for Manusky’s head.
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 3, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
I was cautiously optimist in regards to Manusky
The 49ers defense wasn’t terrible under Manusky. They had some very good games under him.
Perhaps Manusky will be better in year 2 and with a few more healthy bodies and players.
I don't think Dean asked anything of Norv when retaining him
Although, he could easily demand it after the fact.
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and...
Manusky might be the one Spanos feeds to the lions for the entertainment of the mob. At least some change will be made in the coaching staff (does biscacia have a defensive background?) And now that the decision has been made for the GM and HC now the organization can move on to contract negs, etc… Should be some interesting news coming outa the park in the next few weeks… Then we get to talk draft. Maybe that’s where AJ can redeem himself in the eyes of the fans?
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Manusky already got fed to the Lions. On Christmas Eve.
by classicmfk on Jan 3, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
That decision
should be taken out of his hands. Norv and AJ must realize they got a stay of execution here and should do everything in their power to focus on improving the D which was #1 overall before he got here.
Condolences guys
But hey, it could be worse, you could be starting Tim Tebow next year hahaha,
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
I'll
I’ll say it. I’m happy.
Well I’m not happy, because we missed the playoffs. But I’m happier than I would have been with a housecleaning. What faith I have in a SB run in the near future relies on a continuity of the current regime.
I also think it’s a hell of a gutsy move by Spanos. It’s a gamble which will hurt his revenue stream and fan support in the near term, and certainly in the long term if it doesn’t pan out, but I think it’s a gamble worth taking.
by CABurrito on Jan 3, 2012 11:44 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I honestly think
that this is the best possible decision. The players showed they still believe in Norv and AJ put together a 8-8 team that without a rash of injuries and bad luck (KC game) would have made the playoffs easily. I really don’t think that change for the sake of change would benefit the organisation
by sixpakfrombelgium on Jan 3, 2012 11:45 AM PST reply actions
and the bengals game from last year.
that being said, if you get a brand new coach, you are much more likely to get a Spanulo than you are a Harbaugh, so maybe staying the course is not the worst case.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 3, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
I was devastated after that game
but that was an away game against a team and fans that could clinch a playoff berth for the first time in a lot of years. That would have been a tough game no matter what
by sixpakfrombelgium on Jan 3, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
So?
The Chargers were fighting for their own playoff hopes after supposedly “getting healthy” and just came off handling what was widely considered to be be the best team in the AFC. And they barely showed up when it mattered most. Indicative of the entire Norv era.
I definitely went in to the season
Hoping that we wouldn’t need that game. Lions were the better team.
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I think that's my point
that game should not have been crucial to the succes or failure of the season
by sixpakfrombelgium on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Of course it shouldn't have.
Losing six straight games is inexcusable for a team that is supposed to be Super Bowl (hell even playoff) bound. I would hope that that’s a given.
The point is, we got healthy and started playing the kind of football that the Chargers were supposed play and we didn’t just get barely beaten in Detriot, we got embarrassed. You think the Lions are that much better than the Ravens? Blame it on whatever you want but the Chargers were either unprepared or unmotivated to win that game.
Still it was only one game
I would rather have that Spanos makes his decisions based on a whole season. And looking at the whole season bonehead plays, bad luck and some inexplicably bad play by Philip Rivers are what made us miss the playoffs. I don’t see Turner and AJ as the the ones fully responsible for this. Add to that the fact that there seem to be no better replacements out there I really believe that keeping AJ and Norv is the best for this organisation.
by sixpakfrombelgium on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
The Chargers were healthy the first 5 still went down hill
remember Gaither and Greene are not starters, and we played better with them in the last 5 games than in the first 5.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
That's impressive depth. ;)
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Gaither was off the street and Greene was behind Dombro, Murckoski..
i call that a waste of two roster spots.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
It was a joke.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Also, Dombrowski is a tackle and Mruczkowski was behind Greene on the DC.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
You are correct, sir.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Green was not behind either of those players.
He was the #2 OG on the depth chart at both LG and RG positions.
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So when the two started in front of Greene?
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
You mean when he was hurt?
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
He obviously means that
Because the only time Green was passed over was because he was hurt. I’m just having a hard time understanding his point.
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Dombro and Murch were waste of roster spots. should not have been on the team.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Mruczkowski was the only backup center and was also an emergency guard.
I won’t defend Dombrowski, though.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like an excuse. Still should not have been here.
Mruck was never and emergency anything. he was cheap and available.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
What are you talking about?
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
I'll make it simpler....
Played terrible. Should not be back-up. Should not be on the roster.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Mruczkowski wasn't terrible, though.
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Thats the point
Norv doesnt know how to prepare for a game, and he doesnt know how to motivate, the team gets blown out bc they are not prepared, o and by the way the defense needs a major makeover.
by Daniel Gelberger on Jan 3, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
How many times has the team been blown out under Turner?
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
That's a valid point
My concern is their inability to tough out the hard win in a dogfight
Define "dogfight".
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
SMASHMOUF
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Please do. Once we define our terms we can check to see if you're right.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Tight games where the other team is a physical team and able to keep it close (jets playoff game, most of the recent raider games)
Define "physical team".
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Zach has "a fucking"
What’s that?
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by creanium on Jan 3, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's an honest question.
You’re using vague terms that we can’t possibly know what you mean by them.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Really
I’m sorry, football is not all DVOA and stats to me, when the game feels more like a fight, our team seems to fold a little and make mental mistakes
I suspect what you have working there is a confirmation bias.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
No
He actually wants to be able to define what you’re talking about. Just because you’ve been thinking it doesn’t mean everyone else has analyzed the situation exactly the same.
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I'm not.
People bandy about this “physical” or “smashmouth” or whatever terminology without ever actually defining it. How do we know a team is “physical” or “soft”? Does it have to do with what they are and aren’t good at? Does it have to do with reputation?
You want to go by reputation? How about the first six games against the Raiders they won under Turner. The 14-3 win over the Bears in Turner’s first game ever. The two close games against Tennessee in 2007. The close wins against New Jersey/A, Dallas, and Cincinnati in 2009. Hell, Weeks 15 and 17 of this year against Baltimore and Oakland. Do none of those count?
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I will now hearby try to define "smashmouth," "physical," "soft... not."
I haven’t quite figured out any fancy formulas that I can label with cool initials like “DVOA,” but I know that to understand what we mean by “physical” and “hard” (which I use as the opposite to “soft”) requires something quantitative other than “I know it when I see it.”
Existing statistics like “tackles for losses” and “yards per sack” show an aggressiveness and power to a defense. I’m not sure such a statistic exists, but something like “yards after initial contact.” This would show a defense’s ability to tackle — a major factor in determining the physical nature. More on this later. I’m still trying to read all these!
by Andy (allfield) on Jan 4, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
That's at least a place to start.
But at the same time leads to further questions—do you have to be “physical” to do things like that? Can’t you have teams and/or players that have mastered technique to the point where they can beat their opponents one on one? Does that still qualify as physical?
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Tight games being ones decided by how many points?
And physical team being defined by what measurable qualities (rushing yards per attempt, what?)?
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I have now lost interest
conversation is too hard with you guys.
“I know it when I see it”
I guess I really don’t need to be part of your guys’ private conversation
Sorry.
It’s just difficult to have a conversation with you when even you admit that you can’t explain what you mean.
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Not Blown Out
Sorry, i didnt mean blown out i meant unprepared for the other teams offense, when we play other teams they have weapons that only play well against us, let me a name a few and then check the stats, jonathan baldwin, johnny knox, plaxico burress, deanarius moore. There thats 5 losses that we were unprepared for.
by Daniel Gelberger on Jan 3, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
No not really
The defense sucked! What can anyone do down 21-0?
Lions Game
If there was no week 17 Norv and Aj would both be gone, Dean Spanos has just lost a ton of fan support.
by Daniel Gelberger on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
My money is on Manusky.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
The fans?
LOL.
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yeah wonder if this will create further issues with staying in SD
by chaplinesque on Jan 3, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
That’s what I’m thinking. How do you sell this to an already angry fan base?
by Bryan Spangenberg on Jan 3, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
no way the public will vote to give their money to this crew for a new stadium
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
No city should do that regardless of the quality of the team.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
agree
i love football but what happens with public money is disgusting. it is profitable enough.
by chaplinesque on Jan 3, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
however, now it will be impossible for Spanos to hoodwink the public
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
That sounds like a positive.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I prefer to watch the games on television.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
It will depend on what the affiliates (KFMB and KSWB) choose to show.
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SD will be a secondary market so they'll be obligated
to show away games. For home games, they probably will choose to given that lots of people will probably still follow the team.
Plus blackouts would cease to be an issue in SD, as I think they’d be out of the dark zone with a downtown LA stadium.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think you could get Charger games in LA
during a blackout – so you probably would not get them here
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
It doesn't seem like it should be different
But it is.
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Probably.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Not happy or sad
What were the better options? This will certainly ignite the message boards across the internet. Chargers have issues but its not like the team was going to get blown up.
Manusky does have to go though. I am not a genius at diagnosing playcalling and schemes like every drunken fool on the internet…….but seriously the guy has to go.
by chaplinesque on Jan 3, 2012 11:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
RE. Ticket sales and blackouts
If they have a decent start to the season, nobody will care if Norv and AJ are back.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
I think the issue is season ticket sales
The less of those you have the harder it is to scramble back to sellout capacity when the team starts hot.
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Bingo
You need the seasons otherwise even if you don’t black out you’re going to have black out drama throughout the season.
$$$
The decision to keep Norv and AJ was about dollars and cents, nothing else. Spanos contractually owes them a total of $12 million over the next 2-3 seasons. He can say what he wants publicly, but he’s just not going to pay those two guys AND two other guys that kind of money for more than one year to do the same job. Yeah, it’s about winning. But wealthy people don’t get wealthy by throwing $12 million away.
Norv and AJ would have gotten jobs very quickly
substantially mitigating what Spanos owed them.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Just because they got extra cash
Doesn’t mean Dean wouldn’t still owe them that money.
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Yes but it would mitigate what Dean owed them.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
I agree...
… that at the very least it’s a tie-breaker (head to head being the other tie breaker)
by Andy (allfield) on Jan 3, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I liked last years excuse much better with the special teams being terrible
This years excuse of injuries makes me sick to my stomach. Good luck filling the Q next year, not happening.
all this talk about putting fans in the Q
seems to ignore the obvious. If the Chargers are winning, the Q will be filled. If they are not, I don’t care who the coach is, it will be empty. That is how it has always been, and probably how it always will be…
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 3, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Season tickets.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Not as disappointed as I thought I'd be
On the one hand, it’s what I’ve come to expect from Spanos so I’m immune to the prick s.
On the other hand, next season could very well be one big fat “I told you so.” Which always makes me feel good.
And on the third hand, maybe — just maybe — Norv learns his lesson, A.J. learns his lesson, and yes even Dean learn his lesson, they work together to put together a team that could beat Baltimore 34-10 EVERY week, and the team makes a run at the Super Bowl!!! Yeah, right, what are the chances…
by Andy (allfield) on Jan 3, 2012 11:58 AM PST reply actions
It is hard to win football games
Dungy got a lot of criticism before finally winning the superbowl with the colts. Norv will continue to get criticism until the Chargers win the superbowl. For our sake, I hope he does.
Bull
Bottom line, I believe these two men give us the best chance to get back to the playoffs, A.J. Smith is the best man to improve our roster, and Norv Turner is the best man to lead that roster on the field..
Translation: We owe these guys a lot of money for the next 2 years and I’m not going to pay them to go away.
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by L Magico on Jan 3, 2012 11:59 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
They both would have gotten new jobs within weeks and mitigated most of the cost of firing them.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Most. Not all
so it still remains, Money “was” a factor
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
This move most likely costs them money in season ticket sales than they probably saved.
That suggests that this was a football decision.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
And that's the kind of decision I'd prefer the owner of the team to make
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by creanium on Jan 3, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
I just think the $
was a big factor because a guy like Fisher was going to cost a lot.
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You have to consider that it would have been good for ticket sales, though.
It’s probably close to a wash.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, I think ticket sales will be fine
I’ll speak for myself, but I didnt go to any games this year because my wife was pregnant. We usually go to 2-4 games. We already talked about what 2 games we are going to next year. We love the Chargers; regardless of coach or GM.
I’m just don’t want another 8-8 or 9-7 season. Hey, its not my money so I can see why the Spanos would not want to pay a top level coach like Fisher and pay Turner for nothing. The whole thing stinks though.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
That's anecdotal evidence of one customer.
I’d expect season tickets to take a hit here.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
I don't people know the difference
Between, say, a 10% hit and a 100% hit.
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*I don't think people know the difference
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Listening to Hacksaw
I think you might be underestimating the response. Most of the tweets are fans dumping seasons…
considering nobody ever calls him
this might mean something
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
I got a text from a season ticket holder friend
Saying that they were cancelling. I pressed them by saying how could you stick through the Leaf years and cancel now. They said they probably weren’t gonna cancel, but just wanted to show their frustration. So, there’s that.
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And now I just found another
That basically said the same thing. Haha.
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What did i say to to contrary? Money is apart of the "football" decision. always has been.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Not when it comes to coach and front office salaries it isn't.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
All I really have to say is this
Draft defense and get a better D coordinator.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
Can we draft a D coordinator?
I wish we could
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by Lmbs2slaghtr on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
i want to see what manusky does with a whole offseason first
by chargerclipperfan on Jan 3, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
This.
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Wait until they lose their first playoff game for the 3rd straight year
because they have no defense.
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by Cake or Death on Jan 3, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
I hope they do
And they probably will. I just hate being a Chargers fan but I wont give up on them cuz I am cool like that
Its all about 18
by celticsox937 on Jan 3, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I'm cool too
Yay!
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by Lmbs2slaghtr on Jan 3, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
I would say wow at this point, but i'm not surprised....
I knew this was the direction Dean was headed after those late game heroics. However, i’m sure Injuries, the hiring of the DC, and money had a lot to do with it.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
The only way to get people excited for 2012 is to spend serious cash on free agents
Maybe 2-3 major defensive free agents will make many including myself spend money on another season ticket package. If not 8-9 wins seems like the best we can expect.
Any guesses as to who is out there?
I think Robert Mathis and Reggie Wayne are(although Wayne is a bit older).
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
1. Drew Brees
QB 33
2. Carl Nicks
G 27
3. Ray Rice
RB 25
4. Arian Foster (Restricted)
RB 25
5. Robert Mathis
DE 31
6. Matt Forte
RB 26
7. Mike Wallace (Restricted)
WR 26
8. Jermichael Finley
TE 25
9. Mario Williams
DE 27
10. Cliff Avril
DE 26
11. Wes Welker
WR 31
12. Cortland Finnegan
CB 28
13. Ben Grubbs
G 28
14. Dwayne Bowe
WR 27
15. Brent Grimes
CB 29
16. John Abraham
DE 34
17. Stephen Tulloch
LB 27
18. Jason Jones
DE 26
19. Paul Soliai
DT 28
20. DeSean Jackson
WR 25
21. LaRon Landry
S 27
22. Vincent Jackson
WR 29
23. Terrell Thomas
CB 27
24. Marques Colston
WR 29
25. Marshawn Lynch
RB 26
26. Carlos Rogers
CB 31
27. Steve Johnson
WR 26
28. Reggie Wayne
WR
33
29. Tracy Porter
CB 26
30. Michael Griffin
S 27
31. Brandon Carr
CB 26
32. Matt Flynn
QB 27
33. Peyton Hillis
RB 26
34. Greg Olsen
TE 27
35. Lardarius Webb CB 26
36. Rashean Mathis
CB 31
37. Tyvon Branch
S 25
38. Aubrayo Franklin
DT 31
39. Andre Carter
DE 32
40. Jason Campbell
QB 30
41. Kareem McKenzie
OT 33
42. Cory Redding
DE 31
43. Anthony Spencer
LB 28
44. Brandon Lloyd
WR 31
45. Tim Jennings
CB 38
46. Nick Hardwick
C 30
47. Michael Bush
C 30
48. E.J. Henderson
LB 32
49. Fred Davis
TE 26
50. Matt Roth
DE 29
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Exciting.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
There are a lot of interesting names on that list. Will be surprised if we landed even one of them though (with the exception of our own players).
I put money on us landing one of them.
No clue which one though.
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There ya go.
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How about Anthony Spencer?
Let’s get him, Avril and keep Shaun Phillips.
Yeah. All Purdue pass rush. Waistband tuck.
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You'd have to.
But I was mostly joking. I’m not sure how Avril projects to OLB. Not sure he’d be better than Barnes there.
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43 FTW
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Right, I figured. I feel like they are going to stick with Liuget and Castillo at DE unless they switch. I also think they stick with what they have at ILB.
Obviously there is a big hole at OLB. Other than that, you are possibly replacing starters at CB, S, or maybe DT if they don’t go with Thomas.
I feel like
The starting DL in 2012 will be Liuget, Thomas and Martin. Cut Castillo to save money and use it to upgrade elsewhere.
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They'd better upgrade elsewhere if they cut Castillo.
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Obviously
Throw that money at Spencer or Branch.
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Brought this up to someone today
Spencer would probably replace Phillips after 2012 though.
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My guesses as targets:
Mario Williams, Robert Mathis, John Abraham (need one for real pass rusher), Shaun Phillips is better as the complementary pass rusher.
Sign Reggie Wayne instead of Vincent Jackson (the inconsistency drives me and probably AJ nuts).
Release Takeo Spikes and bring in Stephen Tulloch (need speed and coverage and ILB)
Sign Tyvon Branch.
Draft the best defensive player at 18.
My counter guesses
Mario Williams will get franchise tagged.
Vincent Jackson will get franchise tagged.
Spikes will be retained.
Signing Branch sounds like a good idea, but it also will be a good idea for more than half the NFL.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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Get 'er done AJ!
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Need an Impact pass rusher
Mathis, Abraham seems like the most likely to make the market, I would probably make a run a Aubrayo Franklin considering how committed the division is to running the ball.
Need an upgrade at SS, either Branch or Landry, I like Branch more and is probably cheaper.
Need speed and coverage at ILB, Butler gets one spot but the other would be better served with an experienced 3 down LB, Spikes is too slow for coverage.
Any guesses on who gets the DC position, any chance they could get Steelers LB coach Kevin Steele to come here???
My guess is that Manusky will be here as DC.
Nobody is asking Norv to fire him. Well, no one that could influence his decision.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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Acee keeps pushing that the organization believes "the Manusky hiring was a mistake"
I would bet Manusky is the one public scapegoat, and to honest he deserves to be canned. His futile attempts to defend spread offenses with soft zones was vomit inducing.
I’m not so down as others in the blog, I’m more in a wait and see attitude, if they spend money on impact D players, and bring in someone that is a true plus as a DC I can live with Norv & AJ, if there is talent drain then I will throughly share everybody’s frustration.
Yeah
I saw that. I’ll assume Acee is right even though he has been wrong before.
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We’ll keep Spikes
With Mouton healthy, they’ll probably be happy with Spikes, Mouton, and Butler. If we replace anyone, it will probably be Diggs and/or Bird. I’d imagine we’d replace either of those two guys with another middling veteran rotational guy.
I think they’ll stand pat with what they have at DL since Castillo will be back. Hopefully they’ll keep Harris. Free agent moves will probably be at OLB and SS or CB. I doubt they’ll pick up any big names, but AJ may go against type there since this is basically a win or you’re out season.
I'm shocked...shocked
that Dean didn’t give Norv and AJ another 5 year extension
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
by Hormel on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Truth is
A.J. should have been shown the door not Norv. Norv is doing what he can with the injury prone players Smith is bringing in Bob Sanders was a mistake i would have rather Jammer play there. I at least hope Manusky is shown the door and bring someone worth coaching the defense and let Laboy go he did not do jack squat this whole season i hope that this is a defensive draft and that we don’t draft one middle linebacker we could use a good corner a couple of offensive lineman a safety in the top rounds and one or two outside backer now i hope that we let go of Brian Walters what did he do this season and Patrick Crayton.
by Umberto Varagnolo on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 PM PST reply actions
I like it...
Keep the faith and go BOLTS!!!
by Joan.Manuel.Martinez on Jan 3, 2012 12:09 PM PST reply actions
Just another example why the Chargers organization will never wini a Superbowl!
Are you kidding me that this was the reason why we kept these two losers! What the Superbowl total in comparison with New England, Pittsburgh, Indi? None of these organizations would have kept both these slubs for so long!
During Smith’s nine-year tenure as general manager (2003-11), the Chargers have won 88 games and five AFC West titles. Only three teams (New England, Indianapolis and Pittsburgh) have won more games or division titles during that time.
by Cuthbertallgood on Jan 3, 2012 12:09 PM PST reply actions
Let's not forget
The Chargers are one of just three NFL teams with no losing seasons since 2003.
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I Disagree...
It took Cowher 15 years to win one SB…The Chargers have a been good since 2003…
by Joan.Manuel.Martinez on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
But that doesn't fit the narrative!
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I love your name.
But I hate your post :(((
by Rich Garcia's defective eyes on Jan 3, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
ghost white
is my face after this news
GOOD LUCK PLAYING IN A EMPTY STADIUM
can’t believe we kept these two clowns
AND LONEAL
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RUN MOAR
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
This is simply untrue. I don't think you remember Kevin Gilbride.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
I believe he's trolling.
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It's better that you didn't. Because this way you're still a member of the community.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
The Spanos family must think we've got holes in our heads.
Disgusting. I’ve been a fan since the late 70s when Fouts ended his holdout. This team does its best to drive fans away. I rarely get the sense that this franchise does whatever it takes to win a championship. I don’t know how fans can continue to support a team that has less interest in winning than they do. Anyway, this is how ownership repays fan loyalty. At least Gene Klein had ambition!
My condolences guys
I’m not a Chargers fan but I’ve lived in SD for a number of years and watching the stupidity of this regime and the pain it causes you guys and my friends who are Bolt fans stopped being funny a long time ago. It’s now becoming just flat out sad. I watched Norv flounder in Oakland too and he was pathetic then, it’s even worse watching him destroy a good organization like the Chargers along with that idiot AJ.
I'm not sure I'd call the winningest coach in Chargers history, and a GM that has never overseen a losing season
A regime fraught with stupidity …
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Second winningest.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
What would you call a regime that started with one of the most talented rosters in the NFL...
… and ended with missing the playoffs two years running? Unlucky only takes you so far.
They got old!
Or injured! I will say some drafts in hindsight were bad but so is every team!
It's difficult to replace All Pro and Hall of Fame caliber players.
It’s not necessarily a sign of ineptitude.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Psssh, us fans are armchair GMs, we know better than all the owners and GMs out there
Hell, give us the chance to run the team and we’ll have a Super Bowl ring in the first year!
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Rec'd
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Do you not remember 2003?
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Sure I do.
But chart the chargers overall success since 2003 and its starting to look like a bell curve. What makes you think we are anywhere near hitting that peak again without change in the organization?
Thanks!
If you are not a Chargers…don’t feel bad about us and go back to your silver and black jail…
by Joan.Manuel.Martinez on Jan 3, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Why would I go to silver and black jail?
Why would anyone go to Oakland unless they’re a few cards short of a full deck?
You guys were a perrenial power before AJ and Norv showed up
And now you’re barely a .500 team and lost the weakest division in the NFL to a guy whose only real offensive weapon is prayer… Seems like a pretty pathetic backslide to me.
Two playoff appearances and 0 wins
is a perennial power?
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Revisionist history
People always think Marty was here in 2007.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Jan 3, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Not at all
But the 07 team was largely Marty’s team. Norv didn’t have enough time yet to screw it up.
So by that logic
no coach gets credit for what happens in their first year. Man, that Mike Singletary was a hell of a coach!
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Why did they do better than they did the year before with Marty at the helm and with better health?
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Marty didn't have a say in player personnel decisions.
So, I don’t know if I buy that.
There is the argument to be made that Marty’s staff could develop players better. There’s also an argument that Smith was drafting better too.
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Fair enough
Which is why AJ really is your guys problem, not necessarily Norv (though I think he’s a smaller part of the same problem). AJ hasn’t drafted well in years and it’s kinda killing you guys. Unless you’re a Ryan Matthews fan?
Ryan Mathews lead the AFC in DYAR.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
He drafted well last year and the year before. What are you talking about?
Also, Ryan Mathews was the most productive back in the AFC this year. That guy obviously sucks.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Why do you think I said "unless you're a Ryan Mathews fan"
Sheesh you guys immediately assume I’m criticizing if I mention the guy. Too many Raiders fans must post here being dicks or something.
It's mostly the Chargers fans who hate on Mathews actually.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Your statement of "unless you're a Ryan Mathews fan"
Implies some sort of blind following of the guy, and discounts the fact that he’s, y’know, good.
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Tone gets lost in text. No harm. No foul. Let's move on.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
"perrenial Power before AJ and Norv showed up?"
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by creanium on Jan 3, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Might want to check your facts, buddy.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
A few suggestions
1) New D coordinator
2) Draft defense
3) Replace strength and conditioning coaches and team doctors
4) Pick up SMART veteran players in FA
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
you forgot
5) Place in bottle and shake vigorously
6) Wait one year and repeat
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
As a Raider fan
where do I send a fruit basket to Spanos?
"In football, I root for the Oakland Raiders because they hire castoffs, outlaws, malcontents, and f*** -ups, they have lots of penalties, fights, and paybacks, and because Al Davis told the rest of the pig NFL owners to go get f***ed. Someday, the Raiders will be strong again, and they will dip the ball in s*** and shove it down the throats of the wholesome, white, heartland teams that pray together and don't deliver late hits." - George Carlin.
Did you watch the last game?
just sayin’…
by Joan.Manuel.Martinez on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Where do we send the one to Hugh
for the palmer trade?
Liked that beating they handed your boys on Sunday, huh?
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure we'll have a shot at the playoffs and blow it
like we did this year against Detroit and the previous year against Cincinnati. That’s some coach we’ve got.
I am sure of that as well
Probably finish next season 9-7 or 10-6 and just outside of the playoffs but we should look great in our last game of the season!
my take
Look at what a new head coach has done for the 49rs. Imagine a team like that Chargers with an actual quarteback what could be done here. Norv. is not a motivator he has never set a tone with his team that is worth a leg to stand on. Speaking of standing 95% of the game he simply stands there and jars with Rivers a little bit complains to the special teams coach and calls it a day. I am sick of watching a team with potential fall to mediocracy.. NORV TURNER IS MEDIOCRACY.. look at this:
Regular season 106–113–1
Postseason 4–4
Career record 110–117–1
Now ask yourself… if you performed your job at this level below .500 would you still have a job.
It is time to make a change. See if Norv would stay on as an offensive coordinator if not.. there is the door see you later. Turn over some offensive play calling to Rivers and we will be fine. Lastly, many of you were wondering why Matthews wasn’t in during certain times of the game or why vincent brown was on the sideline and crayton in.. well Norv doesn’t control packages he just calls plays… now honestly is that smart play calling. Usually you want your best player or the player that is hot for the game getting the ball not just spreading the wealth or hitting or missing. Case and point Tolberts run to the outside against the Broncos that took us out of a 48 yarder and made it a 52..when Mathews had been destroying the Broncos all day.
I just dont get this move honestly Spanos could have sent a message a message these players need.. you perform or you are out. Just look at the Patriots for their model.
Look at how much better Spagnuolo made the Rams.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
And look what happened to a the GM and HC that couldn't get it done.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
If Turner had a run like Spagnuolo's, do you think anyone would be defending the decision to keep him?
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
30-18 > 10-38
I laugh at your argument.
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Seriously? A new QB and rebuilding the Defense?
Your comparing that to a coach that had to rebuild his team, to a HC that inherited a team that was already wining? there is no argument. Spags was trying to climb out of a hole. Norv and AJ have been digging a hole for this team.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
I merely compared the records of the two coaches/GMs over the same 2009-2011 time period
By that point, Norv was playing in his 3rd season, and AJ was the one that built said “talented team” that Norv “inherited”
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I know what you did. but i wasn't "nitpicking" to make my point.
There is no comparison. Norv and AJ had a Defense and a Experienced Franchise QB when they went 13-3 one and done. 9-7, no play-offs and 8-8 no play-offs. you showed the numbers to try to make you case, but it doesn’t hold. Numbers don’t lie, however they don’t tell the “Whole” truth either.
Spags and his GM had 3 years to make things right. Norv had 5, AJ had 8 i think. and things have gotten worse, not better.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
AJ "made things right" in his first three years as GM.
By his third year, the team went 14-2. But Marty’s futility in the playoffs reared its ugly head.
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This sin't about AJ or Marty or what he's done with John Butlers plan.
This is about what AJ has Not done over the last three years, 2009 -2011 remember? your stat.
This is about the Futility of what Norv has’t done over the last three years..
Spags has no play-offs not even a promise of improvement.
Norv has only 1 playoff in the same time. and is gotten worse. yet he keeps his job, and Spags get canned.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
A football team's success and failures rarely lie with one single person; or even only two people.
The slide of the Chargers in recent years doesn’t just rest solely on Norv’s or AJ’s shoulders.
Much like the state of the economy has little to do with the sitting President, but it doesn’t stop people demanding their head if things aren’t going so well in the economy.
Injuries to players, aging players, outside distractions, mental mistakes and just plain luck all affect teams, both ways. Let’s also not forget the teams all had shortened offseasons this year, and little to no team-run workouts.
Every team has its issues, and the nature of the NFL helps ensure that there really are few perennial powerhouses. What’s the one perennial powerhouse people like to point to in the NFL? The Patriots? How ultimately successful have they been in the last 5 years?
I’m not saying the team is perfect, nor am I saying the leadership is, but I’m also in no position to demand that Spanos blows up the team and starts at the top from scratch.
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by creanium on Jan 3, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Twitter is over capacity
Could it be from the irate Bolts fans tweeting Acee?
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
This is put up or shut up for all the players who supported Norv
They better come to play next year or else they can all go with Turner for all I care.
Rivers better play a whole lot better if he wants Norv to stick around past next season.
That I agree with
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Jan 3, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
1. No. 2. If they decide to keep him.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Thats good about Floyd
But knowing V Jax he probably doesn’t want to stay here, maybe since San Diego is an amazing city he might
Its all about 18
by celticsox937 on Jan 3, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
Another franchise tag is pretty appealing
I hate scooter pie
by Lmbs2slaghtr on Jan 3, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
And he has said publicly that he'd be happy with a franchise tag as he loves playing in SD
But he’d prefer a long-term contract to stay here.
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Good, V JAX is awesome. Let's see if A.J. is smart enough to keep him.
Its all about 18
by celticsox937 on Jan 3, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
A.J. will use the franchise tag
His choices basically come down to:
Jackson
Hester
Tolbert
Hardwick
Garay
I’m thinking that makes Jackson a frontrunner.
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Yeah, all those other names are valuable to the Chargers though.
Its all about 18
by celticsox937 on Jan 3, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
But their contracts won't be as demanding
Except hardwick possibly
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by Lmbs2slaghtr on Jan 3, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Hardwick is older though
And contemplating retirement. Too risky to franchise IMO.
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Isn't our whole oLine contemplating retirement?
I hate scooter pie
by Lmbs2slaghtr on Jan 3, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
There was speculation about McNeil
But he has come out and said he plans to rehab and play next year.
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Fair enough.
Starting to really doubt his ability to finish a season at this point though.
As well you should.
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Perhaps we can move McNeil to RT and keep Gaither at LT
I will say this about the move to keep AJ and Norv. I think it will increase the chances of Hardwick coming back.
Gaither will be difficult to retain.
Also, that would make Clary an expensive backup.
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I would think Gaither would be a priority given
injury issues with McNeil and the entire OL.
Perhaps another team comes in and offers him a lot of money and the Chargers can’t match.
Right
I think he’ll get Clary type money from somebody.
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It also boosts the chances of Dielman not retiring.
by Orz on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
If Deilman retires
Maybe we slide Gaither in to LG? Seems more likely than moving over to RT.
gaither seems
like he would be too tall for a guard. I think we keep him in the event that McNeill’s neck becomes an issue. I like the idea of having Greene and Vasquez if Dielman ends up retiring
And we have a couple quality left guards.
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3 out of 5. Vasquez is our best lineman and he's not, so that's cool.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Hester should be easy / cheap to resign.
Tolbert is probably going to be overpaid by someone else
Hardwick… no idea
Garay, will probably be allowed to walk owing to the rise of Cam Thomas (Superbuper thoughts?)
This would be my assessment as well
Plus what I said about Hardwick above.
Although I think they retain Tolbert.
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He looked good most of this year.
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He'll give the FT to Hester...par for the course...he has to justify the draft picks given up for him
by Fouts of Rage! on Jan 3, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Do you honestly believe that or are you just trolling us?
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't he just justify it by re-signing Hester to a 2 year deal though?
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I hope they resign Hester
He’s vastly underrated.
I cant imagine that hester gets the FT
VJ is much more likely to get it unless the work something else out
I think he said he’d be down for the Franchise also
please stop...
We have a very good QB.
We have good receivers and running back corp.
We have had inconsistent defense, but, at times, solid. Bad this year, but good others.
We have missed the playoffs twice (almost 3 times) in the last five years in a very weak division. With this offensive skill set, we should be dominating our division and getting to or very near the SB.
We are not, and seem to be regressing.
Where is the accountability?
by jayman66 on Jan 3, 2012 12:35 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
The accountibility is on NORV
Its all about 18
by celticsox937 on Jan 3, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
With as bad as the AFC West has been the Chargers should not have just won it but been in position
for a first round bye these last two years. It is a competitive advantage to be playing in the AFC West yet Norv can’t take advantage of it.
You realize intra-divisional games only account for 38% of the games in a season, right?
Also, ask the 2010 Raiders how far “dominating the division” got them.
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by creanium on Jan 3, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If we sweep our division or lose just one game these last two years we win the West
we can’t even beat the bad teams in the afc west, so how are we going to defeat the good teams in the AFC?
Like they just did against Baltimore?
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Troll harder.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, well how well did we do against the Pats?
How well do we usually do against the Steelers?
Sure we won at home, Baltimore is a bad road team. If we had played them in the playoffs it would have been in Baltimore, a game I am sure Norv and the Chargers would have lost.
Like they lost on the road to the Colts in 2007?
Oh wait, that was thanks to Marty. Never mind.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
It's all about the matchups, like the Chargers under Norv, the Colts are a finesse team
The Chargers usually get beat by more physical teams, thus the recent losing streak to the Raiders and us usually losing to the Steelers. Jets, and Ravens.
I would argue that the Pats are now a finesse team as well but their coach is smarter and better than ours, thus they usually beat us.
Define "physical team".
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Being able to run the ball and stop the opponent from running the ball
something the Chargers don’t do anymore.
Did it against the Ravens and Raiders
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by Cake or Death on Jan 3, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
How did we do in the three games prior to the Raiders on Sunday?
Cool we did it against the Raiders when it didn’t matter.
Three games prior to Raiders?
37-10 over the Bills
34-14 over the Ravens
10-38 fall to the Lions.
What’s your point?
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The game mattered to the Raiders.
The Chargers were also able to beat the Raiders while getting dominated physically for a number of seasons. It was kind of strange to watch actually.
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There is a consistent group
coming back to these same points, but the team has failed for 2 years now. what is the cause if Norv isn’t al fault?
Age and injuries.
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Interesting
So you really believ it is just a matter of lacking talent at certain spots at this point?
That's most of it.
When the team was more talented and healthier they won more.
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So why has the talent
lost from age and injuries been replaced, or is that not possible?
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It is possible
But not an exact science.
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A couple of poor drafts.
Also, they’re no longer drafting at the top of the 1st round any more.
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So that's the only criteria?
What about wins against:
Tennessee in 2007 (2x) and 2009?
The Raiders (6x) from 2007-2009 and again in 2011?
The Cowboys and Bengals in 2009?
The Ravens in 2011?
That’s just a handful. I could rattle off a dozen more wins they’ve had against teams that are good at rushing offense/defense.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Forget the finesse/physical label.
It’s irrelevant. This team failed because of uncharacteristic play from their QB, and damning mistakes by other players, such as Tolbert’s fumble against NE or Mathews’ against the Bears.
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by Cake or Death on Jan 3, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
If Tolbert doesn't fumble that Patriots game was in hand or at least would have come down to a last Brady Possession
by Orz on Jan 3, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Why was Tolbert even in the game at that point? Why does Norv refuse to play Mathews
at critical moments? Why didn’t Mathews get the carry on 4th and goal against the Pats?
Mathews is clearly the better play and play maker yet Norv often refuses to use him and the team ends up paying the price in the form of a loss.
Mathews struggles at pass pro
Norv removes him in situations where they will pass a lot.
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That evolved throughout this season, Mathews improved and was trusted more as games went on.
by Orz on Jan 3, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
The Patriots game was quite early in the season though.
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Yet the two biggest plays of the game were run plays involving Tolbert
4th and goal at 1 and the play in which Tolbert fumbled. So why didn’t he have Mathews in on those downs?
Pass protection and Tolbert's veteran-ness. It's a rational position on paper.
by Orz on Jan 3, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Tolbert has what? 1 more year of experience?
If those had been pass plays I would agree but they were both runs.
Having an undrafted FA getting significant reps over a 1st round pick that was having a great start to the season is never a rational position on paper IMO.
Tolbert has experience from playing in college
And from taking reps when Mathews has been hurt. Also, some people are just naturally more inclined to be better at things.
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The Glass Ryno was the most productive back in the AFC this year.
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Except the pass pro part
That does count even if DVOA doesn’t (and couldn’t possibly) count it.
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Fair. He has improved, though.
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Kinda hard to fault the guy
When he’s had two consecutive shortened offseasons.
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Also fair.
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You do understand that if Turner ran every time Mathews was in the game, and passed every time Tolbert was in the game, that opposing defensive coordinators might figure that out, right?
by Orz on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bah!
Misdirection is a myth. Norv is so vanilla that defensive coordinators know what play he’s calling, every time, and the fact that the Chargers offense can ever score points is a testament to the ineptitude of opposing defenses. They score in spite of Norv.
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I agree that Norv relied on Tolbert where he should have used Mathews at some puzzing times early in this season.
But the point still stands that the Patriots didn’t blow the Chargers out and the outcome was a coin toss, while you’re making it seem like the Chargers got blown out.
by Orz on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly. This is the kind of thing that has killed this team.
If that’s Norv’s fault, then he should be fired. I’m not qualified to know that. I do know that Norv yelled at Tolbert for going backward on that play, though.
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by Cake or Death on Jan 3, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think the bigger issue is why Tolbert is in the game instead of Mathews
Mathews is the better RB and playmaker. Norv should make sure that Mathews is getting the ball instead of Tolbert.
As Wonko said
Mathews can’t pass protect. Now that might be Norv’s fault for failing to teach him correct technique, or for AJ and Norv for drafting him despite that flaw. As I said, I don’t feel qualified to make that determination.
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by Cake or Death on Jan 3, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Mathews missed time in training camp as well
I’m sure that had something to do with it.
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On the bright side
His 12th level Mage leveled up.
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by Cake or Death on Jan 3, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone with a twitter account ask him if he's moving from WoW to SW:TOR!
BFTB needs to know!
by Orz on Jan 3, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe he'll learn how to Force block
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by Cake or Death on Jan 3, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
False.
Everyone knows he plays a Rogue. Also heard that he bought the account and was about as good at playing WoW as he is in pass protection.
I never heard that rumor, source? (not questioning, just really curious)
by Orz on Jan 3, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
A good friend of mine.
Said he played with him during the offseason but that he wasn’t a very good rogue and then quit before the season so that he could take it seriously. No idea if it’s really true or not but I doubt this guy would lie to me about it. It’s possible though.
What would you do coming off your rookie season during a lockout with no real training guidance? Might explain showing up to camp a little out of shape, but I think he made up for it in the end.
I don't know. They beat the crap out of Baltimore three weeks ago.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Cool, even a broken block is right twice a day
How did we do in the other must win game the following week? How about on the road against the Jets or Patriots?
Are you familiar with the concept of moving the goal posts?
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Some teams just match up poorly against other teams
Just ask Peyton Manning and the Colts their thoughts on the Chargers.
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The only reason why the Chargers and Norv have even sniffed the playoffs these last two season
and why they made it back in 2008 was due to the division being so bad and little to do with the ability of Norv Turners coaching ability.
Norv has only had two really good seasons, his first and his third. His 2nd, 4th, and 5th have been terrible and worthy of being fired.
Deep down
if you set your hopes as low as they could go, like I did, you knew this would happen.
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If you guys werent in the AFC West
I would feel really bad for your situation. When Norv arrived, SD had the best talent in the NFL and had the worst division to compete with. It is really surprising that SD did not win at least one Super Bowl with that talent. Now I am gracious that talent has been squandered and Norv is returning.
He had them in position in '07 before his three best players got hurt the week before the AFC Championship game.
He hasn’t had that kind of talent to work with since
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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Things were going so well, even the backup QB led the team to a playoff win.
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The future looks bright...NOT!
AJ and Norv back, keeping the seat warm for John Spanos to run the show. That should make any Charger fan’s stomach turn.
Just noticed creanium's Rivers/Norv pic caption
REC!
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What is actually best for this team?
I am a fan from the UK and have followed the Chargers since visiting San Diego in 2001. It’s been a real joy to see them improve from a real low point a decade ago and get back to being one of the best teams in the NFL. And some of this is down to AJ and his knowledge of the game, and real skill in being a GM… However the last few years have seen a steady decline, which goes back to the key decisions to (a) fire Marty, (b) choose Rivers over Brees, © choosing LT over Michael Turner. I’m not saying all of those decisions were wrong, but since reaching then and reaching the AFC Championship game in 2007 (largely thanks to what AJ & Marty had built up) we have been going down.
I am NOT an AJ hater – I think he has made a really positive difference
I am NOT a Norv hater – I think he is still one of the best offensive co-ordinators around
However they have to be held accountable for the decline in the last 2-3 years. Yes we are one of the best 3 teams in the AFC… Yes we have a great QB… Yes Norv has the best winning record… But our expectations surely should be higher… In my mind Norv took over one of the most promising sides we have EVER had – and still hasn’t taken us anywhere in the playoffs (with the exception of 2007 which is down to Marty anyway), and now can’t even get us there in one of the weakest divisions. And AJ’s decisions in the last couple of seasons have been seriously questionable – players drafted that promised more than they have delivered (Liuget, Brown, even Matthews being prominent examples) whilst other players have been allowed to leave (LT, Turner, Sproles – and now presumably VJax will leave following today’s decision)
The team is in decline, the fans are pretty much of one mind, and yet Spanos has stuck with AJ & Norv. I don’t believe this is in the best interests of the Chargers.
Norv’s record is statistically high, but no good when we don’t make the playoffs and reach the potential that this roster has. He has consistently underperformed in terms of our potential, forget comparisons with previous eras when our roster was not as talented.
AJ has made poor decisions, and ultimately couldn’t work with Marty who was one of the best coaches we’ve had, and could only recruit Norv whose record was at the least. mediocre.
I can only assume that Spanos either couldn’t catch one of the big names (crazy when Fisher is being interviewed for the poor Dolphins, and in which case he’s losing his touch) or couldn’t pay AJ & Norv off (in which case there are questions over his ability to be a responsible owner when money comes above what is best for the franchise)
Either way today’s decision is in no way respectful of the fans, is in no way progressing the team towards a superbowl, is in no way holding people accountable who have led this franchise to regress despite being one of the most promising in the whole NFL.
I’m afraid I won’t be following the Chargers in 2012. This is not a lightly taken decision, but I cannot support a franchise where the owners do not act in the interests of the franchise, do not take account of the fans, do not hold those responsible who should be accountable, and can’t see that today’s decision puts this franchise in real danger of spiralling decline.
I’m really upset, and can only hope that some redemption is possible after next season. Until then, farewell Chargers – you’ve broken this fans dreams
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 3, 2012 12:59 PM PST reply actions
from FO comment thread sums it up..
I would argue the opposite…coaching becomes more vital when you’re talent poor. Norv Turner and Wade Phillips are both living proof that even a buffoon can coach a winning season when handed a team plush with Pro-Bowlers. But weaker coaches will struggle when they are forced to figure out how to make a somewhat effective defense when they have the likes of Earthwind Moreland (remember him?), Troy Brown, or Julian Edelman playing DB.
More of an indictment of Manusky than Norv.
I don’t think anyone disputes that Turner can make an offense.
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We know he can lead a good team, it's leading average talent that is in question.
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So why aren't you employed as an NFL head coach already?
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If you really think that, you're out of your mind.
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How did that offense look against the donkeys at home? Or at Detroit? Or against the Pats?
If Norv is fully responsible for the offense he has to take some of the heat for all the turnovers as well.
Right, need to look at the whole.
And on the whole, the offense was the 5th best in the league this year. From 2008-2010 they never were worse than 4th.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
An offense is more than just yards, how was the redzone offense? How many turnovers did we have
This offense has never struggled between the 20’s, it is scoring TD’s and turning over the ball that has been the issues.
You're right, the red-zone offense was weak this year
You should look in to the difference in the red-zone offense when Gates was healthy.
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We do, Gates is just one of several weapons.
If Gates was the only weapon, then defenses would quadruple-team him.
But with Gates out, that reduces the number of “weapons” in the offense and teams can focus on the other players more; thus reducing Rivers’ targets in the end zone, or sniffing out the run that much sooner.
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Just a thought
But that could be the shortened offseason. One of the things that the Chargers drill more than anyone else is red zone offseason. They lost reps there.
I’m sure the OL, Gates and Floyd injuries didn’t help.
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I would have said they practice more two minute drill (was it acee that said that?) than anyone else
Which is weird cuz their two minute drill this season was really lacking.
by Orz on Jan 3, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't talking about yards.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Generally when red zone offense is significantly different from overall offense that's just a matter of SSS.
That’s something to consider.
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SSS
Something Sam (’tec) is familiar with.
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I'm not entirely sure I buy that argument.
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Maybe.
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Turner changed little when he had a street-free-agent laden Oline during the losing streak.
by Orz on Jan 3, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
They turtled up a bit and took fewer shots to avoid getting Rivers killed if memory serves.
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If anyone can run an effective defense with those players
it’s Wade. And Norv is a better HC than Wade.
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by Cake or Death on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
I can agree with that statement
One of the reasons I was okay with a Norv firing is that I think he’s proven that when given a team with lesser talent, they do not overachieve.
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by Wonko on Jan 3, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The Patriots defense sure was excellent this year.
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So wait, is this like in Major League?
When he really wants public sentiment against the team so moving to LA is easier? If someone wrote this already in the 350+ comments I apologize. I’m just at a loss here. I was a Turner sympathizer until this year. This is just nuts now.
Public sentiment has absolutely nothing to do with it.
They can move whenever they feel like paying the opt-out fee, which gets smaller every year.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks Mr. Spanos...
For saving me $1800. I will never again see my team of 30 years play live. And since you can’t seem to feel out a home game, I may not see them on TV wither…
Reallyy? Why the crap would you continue to accept mediocrity? Must have been the money you’d owe old Norval…well at least losing my $1800 bucks won’t hurt ya.
im so pissed off I can't even spell...
SORRY ALL..
So this is worse to you than the Bobby Beathard era?
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IMO yes because we still have a talented team but are a lacking a good coach
That is my opinion. The opportunity and window is still open but another year is being wasted on a coach with a losing record and has missed the playoffs 2 years in a row.
At lest during the Leaf years you knew the talent was low on the team and knew not to expect much. This team still has good talent but I believe a lot of Charger fans have lost faith in the ability of Turner to coach this team so it is a waste of talent and the games just end in frustration.
You can't compare Norv's past records with what he's done with the Chargers
You’re comparing apples and oranges. His past experience with other teams has nothing to do with his situation in San Diego. Those teams had different leadership in place, different players, different playing style.
Much like if Cowher were brought in here, we couldn’t exactly expect a Super Bowl win in 15 years.
Norv has a winning record in San Diego. That’s the only record that manners when you’re trying to use his win-loss record as a reflection of his job in San Diego.
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IMO, Norv has had one good season, one great season and three average ones
so his record indicates he is more than likely to have an average season.
Regular season he has gone:
11-5
8-8
13-3
9-7
8-8
So he is more likely to have an average season than a good one. At this point Norv seems like a known quantity. I don’t see a guy who is going to lead the Chargers to a 12 win season, I see a guy who will probably top out around the 8-10 win season next year.
And of the potential HC candidates out there
Who do you think would be able to do a better job in 2012?
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Great question, who knows until we are willing to take that risk
Say we finish 8-8 again next season, should we retain Norv because we might go 6-10 with a new coach?
Should or will?
I think they will retain Norv if he goes 8-8, but won’t give him an extension.
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So we are okay with a guy going 8-8 but anything less than that we
won’t take that risk?
Should they keep Norv if they go 8-8 next season?
Hard to say
Depends on how the season goes. Coaches that go 8-8 don’t tend to get fired often.
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I would think coaches that posted 9-7, 8-8, 8-8 consecutive seasons would get fired
Some coaches are good, some are bad, and other are average. Norv falls in the average category and his record is SD is starting to show that.
How do you explain Jeff Fisher then?
7-8, 8-8, 8-8, 8-8.
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by creanium on Jan 3, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't wait until this time next year
When we can throw Rex Ryan’s name in there too
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Not enough feet in the world could console him then.
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by creanium on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Personally
I explain that as an owner who hates change.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
And yet Chargers fans consider him an upgrade over Norv?
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He did go to a SB as a HC, not as an OC
He has only been a HC for one team his whole career.
Norv has two previous failures under his belt, whlle Jeff doesn’t
Failing in Oakland and DC is hardly failing at all
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So is Gruden an upgrade because he was the last coach
to succeed in Oakland? Or do we not give him credit for his SB win in TB and consider his run in TB a failure?
He gets credit for successes in both places
and for destroying TB.
Basically, he coached other coach’s teams well. Built his own team horribly.
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I would have been okay with Gruden just to get him out of the booth.
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For what it's worth
in terms of results, Fisher is VERY similar to Turner. Lots of 7-9/8-8 seasons, a few 1 and done playoff years, and one run where they made it to the Super Bowl and lost.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Oh I agree with you
I just wanted to mock the fans that were PRAYING for Fisher to replace Norv.
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I was never praying for Fisher
I would still consider him an upgrade to Turner but I doubt he would have been a huge upgrade over Turner.
I wasn't necessarily saying you were praying for Fisher
But plenty out there were.
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owner who hates to make a tough decision
or piss off his friends
or is afraid of AJ
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
Keeping them was a tougher decision than firing them would have been.
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Or
At least the short term repercussions are tougher to deal with.
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He got fired right? Probably one year too late
I think extreme loyalty to him since he had been with the franchise so long.
That may be
But those records are his first four full seasons with the team.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
His first four seasons? That was his first four season? LOL
you are comparing his first four seasons with the Oilers/Titans when they were rebuilding against him? They were breaking in a young Air McNair during that time, he didn’t have an established QB, RB, and a bunch of talent the way Norv did when he walked into SD.
And you just proved my point.
There’s more to a coach than just pure record.
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No
That you can’t just assume an 8-8 record next year is reason alone to fire Norv.
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What will it take to fire Norv
you seem to be a big supporter of his.
In the AFC West Chargers have had the most coaching stability in the conference, a franchise QB, and a talented roster, yet this marks the 2nd year in a row the team has not won the conference.
You can point to injuries but every team has them to a certain extent.
I put the blame on Norv for the Chargers not winning the west these last two years.
You can say your piece and telll me why I am wrong now and Norv isn’t to blame.
You sure Turner is the biggest reason?
This year, I’d say it’s easier to lay the blame on Philip Rivers. Last year it was the special teams.
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Perhaps if Turner were a better HC
and didn’t pay so much attention to just the offense these things might not have happened?
If we had a better running game or if Turner called for more runs Rivers wouldn’t have to throw the ball so much?
Like if he'd run more drills on just snapping the ball?
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Every team has injuries, yes.
But the impact of those injuries is different from team to team. An injury to Antionio Gates has much more impact on the Offense than say an injury to Vincent Brown.
I’m not necessarily a blind supporter of Norv, but I do have to say for the most part it’s been fun watching the Chargers play for the winningest Chargers coach of my lifetime.
Like I said before, no one person is to blame for the Chargers’ lack of success.
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the problem is...
Norv is not head coach material
he is a mumbling sub personality offense guy
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
This is based on what exactly?
Honest Question
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I just assume it's based on his extensive experience as an NFL GM and team owner.
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You're right, they were terrible
They had 9+ wins for each of the 7 years before Fisher was given the HC job.
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by John Gennaro on Jan 3, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Werent those the end of the Warren Moon era in Houston?
So once Fisher came in they started to rebuild from those old Warren Moon teams, so a dip in success would be expected.
A 5-year "dip"?
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As well as all the issues of moving from Houston to Tennessee
might have played a role in that dip.
Did they forget to load some of the players up onto the moving van?
And they got left behind in Houston?
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by creanium on Jan 3, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the owner stopped bringing in any FA
to help the team win. Attendance was low and I don’t believe ownership was trying to field a winner during those last few years in Houston.
I was young and didn’t follow the Oilers/Titans that closely so I don’t recall all the details.
I do seem to remember that as soon as they got to Tennessee they started winning and went to a SB.
Sigh
As well as all the issues of moving from Houston to Tennessee might have played a role in that dip.
I do seem to remember that as soon as they got to Tennessee they started winning and went to a SB.
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Yep from what I remember the Oilers cut payroll
fans stopped attending games so that played an issue in how much they were willing to spend on FA and their own players. The team suffered, moved town and went to a SB shortly after arriving in Tennessee.
I believe a similar experience played out when Cleveland went to Baltimore.
Might this also happen if the Chargers move to LA?
Fisher went 8-8 his first two seasons in Tennessee
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Heck,
they had to play in the Liberty Bowl in Memphis for a season.
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So?
A stadium is a stadium.
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When has the Chargers management
Ever said they’re not winning more games because they’re not in a new stadium?
They want a new stadium for monetary reasons, not because it’s preventing them from fielding a good team.
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I think the whole arguement goes
More money, means we can spend more money on payroll for players.
because it’s preventing them from fielding a good team.
That would because of Norv Turner.
There's a salary floor and a salary cap
I’m not seeing how your argument applies.
If we were talking about baseball, sure, but football?
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And the obvious addition to that
Is that the Chargers spend to the cap every year. They aren’t the Bengals trying to feel for the salary floor.
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They probably should though.
Isn’t finishing in the middle of the pack consistently and missing the playoffs the worst thing you can possibly do? I mean arguably losing out for a couple years and rebuilding is a better situation due to higher draft picks and easier schedules, right?
I'll play Wonko here.
You stuck with them through Ryan Leaf but now you’re quitting?
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
again
this team should be wearing at least ONE, if not TWO Superbowl rings at this point. Beathard never had this much raw talent…And Leaf..well who saw that one coming
So
You’d rather pay to watch an untalented team lose than to watch a talented team win at least half their games?
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I wouldn't, but I get his point.
It’s easier to watch a team lose if you expect it due to lack of talent than it is to watch a team of talent players that you expect to win underperform.
So why reward an untalented team with your money?
And not the talented team that still has much of the leadership in place that acquired the talent.
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Again, I wouldn't.
But I do think it’s more frustrating to watch a talented team being squandered than it is to watch a crappy team lose when you expect them to. It’s all about expectations being met.
BTW
The easiest way to get around my logic there is to blame the economy. I have no rebuttal to that.
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One thing I'm contemplating
that should the Chargers fail to make the playoffs for a third season in a row, both men will be given their walking papers.
Is this even enough at this point? It’s one thing for AJ and Norv to be back for another year, but I feel like these guys need to get this team back to actually winning some playoff games, not just barely getting in. Otherwise a new direction is needed.
I think the interesting thing will be if the Chargers get off to a slow start,
will they fire Turner mid season. I think they will.
I also think it is stupid to say this:
that should the Chargers fail to make the playoffs for a third season in a row, both men will be given their walking papers.
because I think this is obvious to everyone.
They wouldn't be able to do that for the same reason they couldn't do that this year.
Nobody to step in to run the offense since Norv is OC and HC all rolled into one.
no
it will be the exact same as every year
wait until the end of the season and we’ll make a decision then
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
Even is we start the year 1-3 and fans aren't showing up to game?
I think they fire Norv to try to re-energize the fan base.
They'll still have the problem
Of no experienced playcaller on offense if they do that.
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you probably thought
Dean was going to fire Norv and/or AJ too…
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
When our arch rivals are laughing at us about keeping Norv and AJ it says it all.
Then you factor in the majority of the sports world is also either laughing or in WTF mode about Norv and AJ remaining in place you really need to put the Koolaid down and realize we are 16-16 the past two seasons. If we win the shitty AFC West next season with a 9-7 record and then get bounced in the first round of the playoffs does that mean they get another year?
Ahem.
17-15.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
OMG
Just what we need another year of these 2 it is what it is I guess. Lets make a commitment to winning sign the guys we need to sign and get it done. Get a new DC and bring in a impact player on defense John Abraham comes to mind. Lets hope Butler keeps getting better and Jonas Mouton steps up next year. Above all else draft the best available defensive player to make an immediate impact. Bring back Takeo Spikes. Would any one else have liked to have held onto Brandon Siler I know he did not play this year for the Chiefs but he sure was tough against the run. Even Tim Dobbins for that matter another guy who seemed to make plays when needed. Time for excuses is over for these 2 clowns one more year of medicority and they will both be sent packing…
I wasn't sad to see Siler or Dobbins go.
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agreed
i miss being able to stop the run too… j/k (mostly) but we really couldn’t have gotten much better ILB play than Butler and TKO. The sensei has really shown a liking to butler.
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Siler and Dobbins
How come they were both pretty good. Siler was an animal aginst the run? Dobbins is heading to the playoffs.
I don't like the idea
that Tweedle Dee (Norv) and Tweedle Dumb (AJ) are coming back for another season, but then again: who else were we going to get if we let both go?
Norv and AJ better not f**k this up in 2012.
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Norv and AJ better not f**k this up in 2011
sorry…crystal ball from last year…
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Chargers are lacking leadership! Whether it’s Norv, Rivers or AJ … nothings going to change until they figure this out!
I like Deans candidness in the press conference
he’s a fan just like us, and emotions are a part of being a fan… he knows if we dump AJ and Norval, we’re gonna “be the dregs of the league” and that’s never fun. i know this is just another way of rebuilding, but fricken a, we don’t get a Philip Rivers all the time…
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Draft time!!!
Since Spanos wouldn’t fire himself, he made the next best decision.
Now let’s see a commitment to winning vs. just filling seats.
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^This
The onus is now ALL on Dean. This is the bed HE made, so now he needs to be prepared to lie in it. That means open up the wallet and make a solid splash in Free Agency. And yes, that includes ALBERT HAYNESWORTH! Okay, no, wait. Maybe not that kind of splash. Don’t go all Daniel Snyder on us. But Dean needs to take PR into serious consideration here. PR being Public Relations in this case, not Philip Rivers.
by Andy (allfield) on Jan 4, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
You should watch AJ Smith's presser from yesterday
He basically said the team would like to be a bit more active in Free Agency this year. However, they aren’t going to spend willy-nilly, they’ll only pick up a player if it makes fiscal sense and fills a team need.
Also, since the Pats dropped Albert Haynesworth they went 8-0. When the Bucs picked him up, they went 0-8.
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To be clear, the Haynesworth comment was FAR from serious
I may be dumb, but I’m not stupid.
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Hahah
I know you weren’t serious about Haynesworthless, I just that that correlation was interesting.
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don't look now
But the NY media is spinning stories that Peyton Manning will play for the JETS next year. I can’t see that happening unless Archie sends a life coach to Rex Ryan’s house for the winter.
Oh good
Maybe we’ll finally beat Rex and the Jets.
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by Cake or Death on Jan 3, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Legit question.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
This is absolutely disgusting
anybody who thinks this is anything other than a ploy to move to LA is truly insane. No way can anyone say this move is going to make the team better moving forward and if you do are you truly committed to losing. This is the closest I have been to cutting loyalty with this team
You know they don't need to do anything to move to LA other than decide to do so. Right?
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Not to mention
“committed to losing”? You do know that the Chargers under Norv have never had a losing season, right?
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Its more like Commitment to mediocrity
they have been pretty damn mediocre tho
they can now blame it on the stadium problem
since there is zero chance of getting it passed
- and yes there is nothing really holding them back – except pride or embarrassment
then again, the Spanos don’t live in SD, so do they even care
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
They can already make that claim. They've spent a decade trying to get one built.
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I thought there is a special election this year
or next
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
They have targeted using the regular Nov 2012 election (not a special one)
But, if no plan is in place, they won’t have anything to put on the ballot.
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I find it hilarious how many people fail to realize it's not a team owner's job to appease the fan base
The only true thing that will appease a fanbase is winning, and he’s going to do what he thinks is the best way to win; your opinion be damned.
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It is what it is Guys.
Norv is staying and we all knew this when we beat the Raiders. This was the very reason why I was hoping for the Chargers to lose to the Raiders.
Let’s face it, Norv is going nowhere. Let’s atleast hope the Chargers fire Manusky and bait Monte Kiffin to come back to the NFL as our new DC. I’’m sick of watching Manusky coach up this D.
If we lost to the Raiders
Norv wud have been gone
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nice.
I bet we make the playoffs next season.
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I'd rage and scream and spurt memes (FIRE SAPNOS)
and complain that the Chargers aren’t getting my money, but ever since my dad lost his job and gave away the season tickets, I haven’t spent a dime on Chargers merch or concessions anyways.
I can bluster and threaten to quit on San Diego forever, but then what the hell kind of fan would I be? Besides, change frightens me and I’ve spent the better part of 12 years getting to know this team— its history, personalities and lore.
I do, however, reserve the inalienable right to bitch about what team management is doing. It makes me feel better.
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the hypocrisy adds to the frustration
The presentation:
AJ, tough negotiator, produce or walk, etc. Mr. Hard Nose…
NFL owners during the lock out, “take the risk, make the tough business decisions”
But then fail to hold themselves as accountable as they hold the players.
I guess you can still make good money and not manage your franchise very tightly.
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Either that or the definition of insanity:
Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
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I hate this quote.
Not only is it completely wrong, it’s usually misattributed to Einstein. You’re spouting off a quote from the text for Narcotics Anonymous and making a significant alteration to it’s meaning. The actual quote is
Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results.
Changing “mistakes” to “thing” changes the meaning entirely.
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I'm hoping that
I’m in a dream within a dream and this past season was made up by The Architect (Ellen Page). Someone wake me up when or if we make the playoffs next year, I’ll be with Marion Cotillard.
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I was at a NYE party talking to a Raider fan saying that once they got rid of Jamarcus Russell, I knew that they were much better and ready to compete in the AFC West. Likewise, he told me that he’s worried with what the Chargers will do when they finally get rid of Norv this year.
Looks like he’s much happier as are fans in Kansas City and Denver
Stop with the Kool-Aid
I don’t comment often, but I have been part of this site for several years now and this is the most disappointed I have been win a long time, with the Charger’s and with the comments on this site. I cannot believe the defense of Norv that is being spewed here.
We have become so stat happy these days that we have forgot that the only stat that matters is winning. I don’t care what Norv’s overall record as a Charger’s head coach is. What difference does it make? This is like arguing that last year’s Charger’s team was awesome because they had great yardage stats, but reality is that they kept losing games, which means they weren’t that good.
Norv is not a bad coach, but to argue that he is a good coach is beyond belief. Anyone who argues injuries and short off-season excuses needs to look at the other teams in the league and ask themselves why those teams didn’t collapse. In the AFC look at the Steelers, Ravens, and Patriots. In the NFC look at the Packers, Saints, 49ers, and even the Lions or Falcons. I grew up in SD as a Charger’s fan and I now live near Boston. I know what it is like to see a champsionship caliber team in action (the Patriots). You should hear the outcry against Bill Belichick in Boston when they get knocked out of the playoffs. Not even bad records, just don’t make it to the Superbowl. This is what sets a championship team apart from a mediocre team. They don’t put up with anything that does not produce excellence. Because excellence is how you win championships.
For anyone who is defending Spanos or Norv or even AJ, I am truly sorry for you. To accept mediocrity is to already have accepted defeat. Oh, and by the way, don’t argue that they aren’t mediocre, Three years win-loss records of 9-7, 8-8, and 8-8 are the only measuring stick that matters in the NFL. Next year, whatever the record may be, Spanors has insured that we won’t make the Superbowl and as far as I knew, that was the only goal that mattered.
by BoltfromBoston on Jan 3, 2012 5:41 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Misspoke
Sorry, about that, I was so irritated I put the wrong records down. It was only two years of 9-7 and 8-8. Maybe I was just figuring next year’s record will be 8-8 as well.
by BoltfromBoston on Jan 3, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know that anyone really disagrees with you
Most of the comments you’re construing as support are really just taking a realistic standpoint. I honestly don’t know what the problem is with this team and I find a six game losing streak to be pretty indefensible, but on the other hand, our elite QB bears a lot of the responsibility for a lot of those losses.
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by Cake or Death on Jan 3, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
One key reason for the 6-game skid
The offensive line was decimated. It’s kind of difficult when two of your Pro Bowl-calibre linemen go down.
Rivers wasn’t getting any kind of time to throw the ball, so he was oftentimes throwing under duress, forcing throws into spots he shouldn’t be. Often times those throws were either picked off or nowhere near their intended target.
On the defensive side: Manusky had little time to install his new defensive scheme, Jammer never fully recovered from his injury, Cason kept getting burned, Castillo going down for the year, Garay banged up much of the time.
It’s a bit difficult to pin everything wrong with this team on one person …
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Which goes back to the injury card
Injuries are part of the game, anyone who tells me that Norv’s average tenure is because of injuries is in denial.
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Norv's tenure is well above average. Try again.
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this argument drives me crazy
two obvious flaws with this “logic”, and I know you are smart enough to know them, so feel like you are conducting a strategy of random, factually-accurate but logically flawed posts to confuse those who are rightfully disgusted with this decision.
first, the talent Turner has had is well above average, so above average results are to be expected. PR is not an average quarterback; look at the records and playoff success of the other teams with QB’s as good as Rivers; Turner is well below that
second, the competition in the West, the path to the playoffs, has been against very weak opponents. first it is six relatively easy games a year and second the results needed to win the division are much lower than almost any other division except the NFC West until this year
one factors those two dimensions, as any reasonable fan does, and his record is very much below expectations
Well...
First: Show me a coach winning consistently with an untalented roster. Just one. I’ll wait.
Second: The Patriots went 13-3 this year without beating a single team with a winning record. Does it count any less?
I don’t know how you can reasonably set your expectations much higher than >.600 winning percentage.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 4, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
No, but
they were 13-3 instead of 8-8 like the Chargers, which is a big difference.
Also, I feel like you ignored the bulk of jayman’s post regarding how the Chargers clearly have had the most talented roster in a weak division the last two years, but have not been able to win it either year.
Significant injuries have been overcome to win Super Bowls before, so we should at least expect them to be overcome in order to win a weak division.
I disagree that they were clearly the most talented team in the division. I disagree with it strongly.
They had the best quarterback, best tight end, best wide receiver and best free safety. You could make an argument that they had the best right guard and center, but I wouldn’t. That’s nothing to sneeze at, but to pretend the Chargers are or were far and away the most talented group in the division the last few seasons is a fantasy.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 4, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Really...
so how do we explain the fact the Chargers have the ability to blow out teams and often don’t get blown out? The 2011 Broncos featured a QB that could not complete even 50% of his passes and gave up 81 points more than they scored. The 2011 Raiders gave up 74 more points than they scored and the Chiefs awhopping 126. The Chargers are the only team ever to lose their division when being the only team to have a positive point differential (+29). Last year the Charges had a point differential of +119 as opposed to +40 for the Chiefs. The Chiefs got killed 3 of their final 5 games last year including aginst the Chargers and their playoff game against the Raiders.
Talented teams should not be getting blown out so often.
In any case, the AFC West is not a very strong dividison to say the least and is very winnable. I would like to say that having the best QB is probably the most important, so that should give the Chargers a big leg up, but they have not been able to take advantage of it.
If you want a recent team that was able to overcome injuries to win their division tehn look at the Texans of this year. The Colts also had significant injuries to ther WR corps last year and won.
you lump in QB with a bunch of other positions
QB is almost everything, in my view. I say this because when I look at the personnel that surround Brady, Brees and Rodgers, I do not see dominant personnel top to bottom. I see offenses built around their quarterbacks that continue to thrive even when personnel, aside from the QB, go down
For example, you can have dominant LT and mediocre QB and get mediocre results. You have a dominant QB and mediocre LT, and you will have very good results. Unless Turner is your coach.
NE and NO have middling defenses (NE is bad), Green Bay’s is far from dominant. But the combined records of those three teams the last two years is 76-20, while SD is 17-15.
And then you add that all three of these teams play in tougher divisions, defending Turner’s record seems completely blind to the facts.
You can shut me up if you can point to the key personnel outside of QB that explain such a discrepancy. I doubt those teams have not had injuries to “key” personnel which they have had to deal with.
So, we have this rare, valuable asset that is being squandered, in my view.
I liken the defense of Turner like defending a DB that covers really well at times and then other times gets burned other times. Is that a DB you want? Probably not, but people on this site would find reasons to discount the plays that he gets burned and point to his good plays as the predictive plays. OK, maybe for a bit, but not after 5 years.
Yes injuries are part of the game
But some injuries can have more impact on the team than others.
And Norv’s tenure has been anything but “average”. If a .631 winning percentage is “average” then more head-coaches would be fired more often.
During Norv’s Tenure:
- We’ve seen more playoff success than the previous 20 years; making it to the AFC Championship Game in his first season.
- The Patriots have only made it to the Super Bowl once.
- Andy Reid only has a .582 winning percentage over the same time period, yet people point to the Eagles as a better team.
- This year notwithstanding, Philip Rivers has become a consistent top-5 QB.
- The Broncos, Chiefs and Raiders are each on their third head coach. (Makes it all the more hilarious when their fans come here to mock us)
Let’s also not forget the team is only two seasons removed from a 13-3 finish. It really feels like lots of Chargers fans have lost perspective and have unrealistic expectations.
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by creanium on Jan 3, 2012 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Let me put it this way:
In a terrible division where we CLEARLY have the best QB., there is no excuse to miss the playoffs, injuries or not. Norv is a great Offensive mind but that’s all he’ll ever be.
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8-8 the past two seasons
Yes Norv has had some success early. But the last two seasons have been dismal. Chargers cannot be afraid to make a change to better themselves, even if there is a risk that they will get worse.
It’s the equivalent of a player playing a game to not lose or not make mistakes. It prevents you from being great.
Check your facts
9-7 and 8-8 the last two seasons. Before finishing 9-7 in 2010, the Chargers were 13-3 in 2009.
In 1997, Bill Cowher’s Steelers went 11-5. Then went 7-9 in 1998 and 6-10 in 1999. Obvious diminishing returns, no? Do you let him go following the 1999 season? Okay, you keep him. Then in the 2000 season, he only went 9-7 and failed to make the playoffs for a 3rd straight year. Do you fire him now?
I just fail to see the merit in blowing the team up already when this is the first time in 4 seasons they’ve not had a winning season. And only the 2nd time in 5 seasons they’ve failed to make the playoffs.
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by creanium on Jan 4, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Difference I See is That
Cowher had gone to the playoffs six times out of his first 6 seasons, which included one Superbowl appearance and three AFC Championship appearances (obviously includes the one they won). Also, what may be considered more impressive is that Cowher inherited a team that had gone 7-9 with a -52 point differential as compared to the team Norv inherited.
Cowher also had a number of different QBs during his tenure and was able to go to the playoffs 10 out of his 15 years in Pittsburgh. Norv has always had a good QB in Rivers. Towards the end he also had to compete against a team like Baltimore in the division whereas the AFC west has been pretty weak over the last few years.
And Norv went to the playoffs each of his first three seasons
Look, I’m not saying Norv is the greatest coach on earth. What I am saying is it’s not exactly time to slap the panic button and blow up the entire coaching staff. How many coaches do you know of that have been fired after never having posted a losing season with a team?
Norv has never really been liked or appreciated in San Diego. Remember Week 4 against KC in 2007 when Qualcomm Stadium erupted into chants of “MARTY! MARTY! MARTY!”? Even when his team is winning, fans aren’t buying into Norv and they just act like the team is winning in spite of Norv. So a large share of the fanbase was already biased against Norv the day he arrived into San Diego.
Spanos sees fit to give AJ and Norv one more year to get it together. It’s his team, so that’s his decision. I can see the merit in keeping both guys. I was using Cowher as an example to show even coaches that are perceived to be great have teams that go through slumps.
Spanos is the only one that is as involved the daily operation of the team to even begin to know enough to make the best decision. He knows what he wants from both AJ and Norv and he sees how they operate behind closed doors and how they run his team. As an outsider, and merely a football fan, I’m not about to tell someone infinitely more qualified than I how to run his team. I’m also not about to think I’m qualified enough to demand that the team owner hire a coach I only know because I constantly hear his name on ESPN.
I have to say I like the fact that Spanos is not listening to the vocal biased fanbase and instead is running the team how he sees fit, based on his knowledge of how his team operates. Whether or not it’s the right decision remains to be seen, and I’m not blindly supporting Spanos, but it’s his team and he knows more about football operations than I do. So yes I’m going to defer to him and say, “well, it’s your decision and I hope it works out the best for all of us.”
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by creanium on Jan 4, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Spanos has not earned
my trust as he has thus far proven incapable of building a championship-winning organization. I believe the Spanos have owned the team for like 30 years and during that span the Chargers have been to the Super Bowl once where they ended up getting crushed.
I’m a long-time fan, so it is my right to be pissed off and to refuse to financially support the Chargers until AJ and Norv prove that they have gotten the Chargers back on track. Maybe, I was lucky, but I wanted the Chargers to make a run at Harbaugh last year, but Dean thought Norv was apparently the superior coach. It looks like thus far my opinion has been validated and not his.
According to Clayton and I believe some others Spanos isn’t keeping Norv and AJ just because they have great football minds, but also because he likes them as people. It does not look like success on the football field is Spanos’ overriding concern, so I’m even more skeptical if this is the case.
It may be your "right to be pissed off," but it doesn't make you "right to be pissed off."
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by Richard Wade on Jan 4, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
That remains to be seen
doesn’t it unless you believe I should have no emotional attachment to the Chargers since I have no direct say in how they operate?
I just think we could all stand to take a wait and see approach on decisions.
Well, at least the ones where they aren’t clearly right/wrong. Retaining Turner & Smith may very well turn out to have been a poor decision. I’m not going to claim definitively that it wasn’t, but it’s a defensible move from what I know and the man who made it has more information than I do.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 4, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
San Diego fans
have been waiting and seeing since 1963 when it comes to the Chargers.
Did they make the playoffs??
No need to nitpick just to support your argument. What good is a 9-7 team that failed to make the playoffs. What happened in the playoffs to that 13-3, o that’s right, another playoff disappointment. Lost to the NY Jets.
Norv is NOT Bill Cowher..Norv calls a great game (why he is a great coordinator), but penalties, lack of focus, lack of preparation is what kills the Chargers and that is a reflection of the head coach.
You blow up the team because of they were underachieving and steadily declined to this point.
A Response
Norv is not an awful coach, but I would point out most coaches don’t get to inherit the kind of talent he did right away. I would also point out that besides his first year there has been no deep run into the playoffs. I would say his Chargers teams have been characterized by many of the same problems that plagued the Chargers since 2005. The Chargers clearly have had talent as evidenced by their propensity not to get blown out and their ability to blow out other teams, but when the going gets tough especially against good teams they usually lose. His Chargers team in 2009 also repeated the mistakes of the past namely boneheaded mental errors in the playoffs. This is why they were penalized 10 times for 87 yards in that game.
We’ve seen more playoff success in the last 20 years because the Chargers like every San Diego collegiate or pro sports team have a generally terrible history. That one Super Bowl appearance is one more than the Chargers have made. Also, what about the Steelers? The fact that the Chargers could not win the division the last two years that has had so much head coaching turnover is not something to be proud of. Injuries or not, the Chargers definitely had more talent than the2011 Broncos whom gave up 81 more points than they scored and featured a QB that can’t complete 50% of his passes.
I think Chargers fans are rightly frustrated the Chargers have not won anything since 1963.
Norv's first year here saw the most playoff success since 1995
On the flipside, I’m not saying Norv is a great coach. I’m merely saying I see the merit in keeping him, and I’m not yet on the panicked side of the fence ready to blow the team up again.
Blaming Norv for boneheaded mistakes by players? These are adults, not children. They’ve all been playing football long enough to know what’s acceptable and what isn’t. And if you want to use penalties as a knock against Norv, you should know that the Chargers have been in the top-10 for least penalized teams for the last 3 seasons.
I was just pointing out that NE has been to the Super Bowl just once because they’re the “dynasty” team right now that everyone points to as the perennial powerhouse in the AFC and the NFL as a whole, and yet they’ve only been to the SB once in the last 5 seasons. Yes, under Norv, the Steelers have made it to the SB twice and won it once. But even still, it seems the Steelers are constantly in the shadow of the Patriots.
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Okay
but again that team had a lot of talent, so much was expected in his first year given that he also ran a similar offense to Cameron’s. Norv was sold as coach for purposes of continuity. Again, the Chargers have a crappy history, but for many teams one single AFC championship appearance is not that significant.
Also, why does a coaching change necessarily mean blowing the team up? It could also be successful. Look at how the 49ers responded this year and how the Bucs won a Super Bowl under Gruden after a coaching change. And if contintinuity continues to be Spanos concern then why not give Chudzinski a shot and at least show the players that there is accountability?
I’m not necessarily blaming him for that, although I do blame him for losing the adjustment battle in that 2009 playoff game as the Chargers could not really do anything on offense after halftime. It’s just that the same thing that happened two years before under Marty happened again under Norv. Maybe, AJ deserves blame for having players like that on the team?
I would point out that the Pats make the playoffs almost every year and the year they missed Brady was out. They still went 11-5 as opposed to 9-7 or 8-8, while playing ina weak division like the Chargers have been in.
by BruinsBolts on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the real reason for the 6 game skid
First 5 games were against struggling teams with the exception of NE which the chargers dropped. the 6 games were against teams that, at the time, were playing very well. It’s funny that KC and Denver are part of the first 5 and the 6 game skid, but both teams had drastically turned their seasons around by the time that the chargers played them the second time around.
by RichK223 on Jan 4, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
The poor play during the initial 4-1 streatch set the stage for the 0-6 slump. I don’t see how it is acceptable to Spanos for the Chargers not to play a complete game until Week 13.
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1-15 anyone? How about we go get a college guru like Mike Riley or an offensive genius like Gilbride?
I get it we are mediocre – at least we are competitive NFL team – unlike a good portion of the Chargers history. (1983-1991 and 1997-2003).
The premise that replacing the GM and HC will results in a Super Bowl win is unrealistic. I agree with Dean that Norv gives us the best chance to win.
I don’t see where the SB talk comes from. People act like we deserve a SB win because we had some very good teams 3-5 years ago. Our team is average to slightly above average (in talent and performance)
by Norcal Boltfan on Jan 3, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Acee says they may promote Pagano (LB Coach) or Wilks (DB Coach), both of whom are well liked by the players
by Orz on Jan 3, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
Acee also said that Norv was "all but certainly" gone.
I like Pagano, though, especially if his development of young guys like Butler and Barnes is any indication of what he can do.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 3, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
He was just a month ago.
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Pagano's gonna coordinate UCLA's D
word on the street.
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Rumor is he might stay in San Diego because of the retention of Norv
That counts double if he can get a sniff at the NFL level DC job.
by Orz on Jan 4, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Transplant theory
I have had season tickets for over 10 years after graduating from SDSU. I moved to MB for work and have made the drive to every home game since. My theory consists of having a home field advantage. I think the Chargers may be the only team that plays 12 road games every year. San Diego has a great military presence but with this comes transplants from all over the country who are fans of the team where they grew up. Not to mention all the other people who move here for the weather. Take this year for example: Vikings game had about 30% of fans, Chiefs and Broncos 40%, Packers 60%, Ravens 30%, Raiders 50%, Bills 20%, Dolphins 20%. If you are a fan that likes to see your team play a road game and you live in Minnesota which game do you pick to go to? A move to LA may be the best thing for this team: Big corporate sponsors, Celebrity fans, Big beautiful new stadium, second largest market in the country, no black outs, luxury boxes, and selfishly a much shorter drive for me. True fans will make the drive north as I have made the drive south, or you can take the ghetto sled. All the home games we lost had a significant amount of visiting fans which would be muted in a larger market. I’m just saying buy your Prius now!
by ManhattanBeachBoltFan on Jan 3, 2012 8:29 PM PST reply actions
A pleasant surprise.
I’m thrilled to hear that Dean cares more about winning than catering to the bloodthirsty mob.
by Rich Garcia's defective eyes on Jan 3, 2012 9:01 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I recall reading that Dean felt he had "no choice" but to cave to public pressure
and I was uneasy that he was letting fans influence him.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 3, 2012 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
Oh Yeah
because the Spanos have shown great judgement when it comes to producing championship footbal teams over the years. I wish he had let a fan like me influence him last year when Harbaugh was available.
I Think Dean Cares More about
The 8 Million owed to Norv and AJ than winning or catering to the mob
It wouldn't have been $8 million. They both would have gotten other positions almost immediately.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 4, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Perhaps...
Or they coulda gone the route of Cowher and Billick…Take a TV job and get paid by the TV Networks while collecting money from the Spanos. We would never know.
Somehow I doubt Norv's future is in broadcasting.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 4, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
at the same time
ESPN hired a stiff and Lispy Eric Mangini…so you never know
Its time to upgrade if were not rebuilding
The secondary is garbage i actully yhink its one of the worst in the league and dont blame injuries, cason gets burned all the time, jammer who used to be good in coverage either gets called for a penalty or gives up a big play. I say we get rid of jammer and bring in a guy like corlend finnegan whos a solid cover corner. I like butler and spikes but we need more of a pass rush, lets face it english is a bust. Liuget will get better and well get castillo back so the defensive line will get better. as for the offence losing sproles was huge we need a player like him, the receivers are good and vincent brown will be very good. On the O line i say move gaither to right tackle and get rid of clary the rest of the line will be good with Mcneil and dielman or tyrone green. As for the draft we need a playmaker ala patrick peterson type player thats who we should be targetting.
Tell me ur thoughts
by Daniel Gelberger on Jan 3, 2012 10:31 PM PST reply actions
Peterson sucks in coverage.
Cason and Jammer are quite talented, but have had off years. Jammer to injury and Cason to who knows what. Also, no one can cover for 7 seconds when the QB has all day to throw.
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