Should Quentin Jammer move to Strong Safety?
No. At least, not yet. Now before we talk about why Jammer should stay at cornerback despite his worst year in recent memory, know that he was actually a safety at Texas. Although defensivebacks in general switch between corner and safety spots between college and the NFL level, Jammer struggled to thoroughly learn the cornerback position early on before finally in 2007 showing signs of becoming a top corner. But has he peaked? Is he on the decline? After a terrible 2011 season, it seems like Jammer has lost his ability to cover. Let's analyze a few aspects of his game, and also the team to determine if Quentin Jammer has what it takes to continue as a cornerback for the San Diego Chargers, of if he should be moved to safety. First, look at some simple numbers over his last few years courtesy of ProFootballFocus:
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Year |
Targ |
Rec |
Yds |
TD's |
INT |
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2009 |
82 |
45 |
592 |
2 |
3 |
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2010 |
78 |
40 |
524 |
3 |
2 |
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2011 |
66 |
43 |
684 |
6 |
0 |
Can he still cover?
Quentin Jammer struggled at times this year covering any type of receiver. Mostly speed receivers and "elite" receivers. For examples, see Oakland, Green Bay, Detroit and Chicago. However, he still posesses speed himself, as you would see by him actually catching up to Denarius Moore in the season finale. However, he still has issues tracking the ball and/or reading the quarterback's throws, as you can see from the first throw to Calvin Johnson in the Detroit game. His hands aren't any better than they were 4 years ago, as he still lets interceptions get through his hands, though he plays the ball well when a receiver is trying to catch it. Now while his numbers above show he's gotten worse in coverage, his yards allowed being higher leads us to believe that receivers are further down the field, which happens when the quarterback can sit in the pocket due to the lack of pressure. Just how much of Jammer's decline is due to having to cover for more than the magical third second? A lot, actually. Some corners are just talented at constant coverage (Darelle Revis, Brent Grimes) and some benefit a lot from good pass rush resulting in minimal coverage time (Asante Samuel, Corey Webster). This is also evident in that his teammates Antoine Cason, Dante Hughes and Marcus Gilchrist had terrible seasons as well. I feel that Jammer should have one more season to play at cornerback before his situation is assesed. Before he moves to Safety, we need to know beforehand:
Can he play Safety?
Before we assume he can be a safety just because he once was, consider that it took him 3 years to get used to playing corner in the NFL. How quickly could he make the transition into a Safety? Would he be an upgrade over Steve Gregory? (Obviously). He's already known as a physical corner, so playing in run support won't be an issue. If he wanted to, he could put on a few pounds to really knock himself into players on tackles. He's already gotten used to playing corner, and so would probably show his tendencies and instincts of a corner while playing safety. This would be terrible if a corner passes off coverage to him and he didn't stay on top of the receiver by instinct assuming he had help. He would also generally have to learn the playbook as a new player even though he may know most of the responsibilities. A benefit to playing safety, however, is that he would have to cover the tight ends one on one in some cases, and that would be a plus considering his size and strength, two qualities Steve Gregory lacks and Paul Oliver and Bob Sanders each have only one of. But let's say Jammer does learn and makes the move to safety. Now comes the question of
Who takes his old corner spot?
Let's look at the options:
Marcus Gilchrist may look like the automatic heir to Jammer's spot at corner, but he is not ready yet. In his first start against Miami, he had an excellent game in which he intercepted a pass and knocked away a potential TD, but that was just a tease for the rest of the year. As I pointed out in my defensive summary of the MNF game against the Chiefs, Gilchrist was absolutely roasted all game allowing 8 of the 11 balls thrown his way to get caught. Next week against Green Bay he allowed all seven of the passes thrown to him to be caught. Overall, he was tested 34 times and allowed 26 catches for 401 yards and 3 scores. Clearly, he has a lot to learn. Of course, letting him "just play" might help him develop quickly, or at least let the team know if he's be a career backup or future starter. What about the other rookie corner?
Other than drawing the rage of many fans with his L.A. talk, we don't know if Shareece Wright is capable of playing corner because he's on the field for special teams and the 4 plays before the game was over vs Buffalo. Preseason he looked decent, but in order to be considered for regular season play you have to look great in preseason. Dante Hughes has the slot position locked up, though he was only a split hair better than Gilchrist was overall. The slot is harder to play since you don't have the sideline to help you, and also, the pass rush was so lousy this year that all the corners were bound to have a bad season. So what can we conclude?
Jammer should stay at cornerback
Although a bad year makes you want to replace a player, you have to look at the big picture. The whole secondary outside of All-Pro Safety Eric Weddle was awful. Only 4 interceptions out of the cornerbacks all season, just one more than the linebackers who don't see as many passes as they do. However, we've all been made fully aware of the deficiencies with the pass rush. If the front 7 can get pressure this coming season and the secondary isn't much improved, we'll know that they are at fault. For now, moving Jammer to safety won't fix his coverage issues any more than a flat tire will be fixed by moving it from the front to the back of the car.
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I think a better stat than the sheer yards he let up is
the percentage of targets to receptions, which has risen quite a bit in the three years you have posted. Although the receptions against him has remained somewhat stable the passes thrown his way have really dropped leading me to believe that he has become a worse player. But I do agree with you that he shouldn’t be moved yet.
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It's also true that there was a new defensive coordinator
and the pass rush was pretty poor. That being said, I do agree he’s gotten worse, but I don’t think that he’s a bad corner. Far from it, he’s still above average in my books. I’m not a big fan of Gilchrist as of yet. He’s not quite good enough in zone coverage, though he has the physical tools. i’d like to see Wright play some myself.
All this being said, we NEED a better strong safety. Steve Gregory just doesn’t cut it. Anyone who debates this, que the Lions game…
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+1 to Jammer covering TEs
Or at least somebody, be it from the corner, SS, or nickel spot. I don’t see teams using tight ends LESS in the near future. Surely there is someone who can keep the announcers from
using the phrase “match-up nightmare” every time Gronkowski/Hernandez/Graham/Davis is on camera…..
jammer to safety
Cant move him to Safety! As bad as he was at Corner, he was still the chargers best Corner. As i have mentioned before, you can have an all-star all-pro DB but if the qb you play against has all day to look down the field, it doesnt matter. Chargers need to sure up the Lines and get some Pass Rushers to help the DBs. Look at Detroit, their secondary is average but because the D-Line is so good, it doesnt matter. Takes all 11 guys on the field to win on both sides of the ball.
Jammer
He has been a excellent player through the years. Had a bad year can thank the pash rush or rather lack of pash rush for that. Would be an excellent safety he is tough against the run and not affraid to hit.
I'd rather get a real strong safety.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 27, 2012 4:24 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
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by John Gennaro on Jan 27, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
I thought Woodson played FS.
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but there are more pressing needs
1-pass rush (olb) 2- ILB 3- SS
that’s just on defense.
with all the O-line trouble, there may be needs for C,G and then TE, maybe WR
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 27, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
We're not in dire need at ILB
Between Mouton and Gachkar we have a good shot at having a good player. Plus Butler, and hopefully Spikes will last long enough to figure out what the other youngsters are worth.
I’d say that CB should be considered in the first round… any possible steal from OG, C, CB, OLB, or failing that the best OLB worthy of the pick, or failing that, the best CB. But unless a possible steal can be found in the 2nd or 3rd, there’s really no other way to get a good chance at a CB: good ones are very often top-50 picks.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 28, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
But otherwise I mostly agree.
Here’s what I’m hoping to see:
Need #1: OLB. Big FA acquisition or 1st-rd pick
Need #2: C. 3rd-5th pick
Need #3: OG. 1st (unlikely) to 3rd (more likely) pick
Need #4: SS. 3rd or later pick
Need #5: CB. 1st round pick, or cross fingers and hope
Need #6: QB. FA and maybe a late pick
Need #7: TE. Any draft pick except 1st.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 28, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
1st round corners can be
players like Revis, or Sammy Davis. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t. Lots of good pass rushers do come out of 2nd-4th rounds though. Woodley, Allen, Justin Tuck, even Shaun Phillips. It’s amazing how many busts and halfass starters are loaded in the first round of drafts…
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 28, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Re: Need #2 - You weren't impressed with Baker? I thought he was decent.
Re: Need #3 – I really don’t care for the idea of spending a 1st rounder on a guard. Honestly, 3rd feels high with Vasquez, Green and possibly Dielman returning in 2012.
Re: Need #4 – I’d really rather see them go after a SS in free agency or higher in the draft. Otherwise I doubt we improve over Gregory/Stuckey/Oliver.
Re: Need #5 – There’s reason to expect improved play from our corners with an improved pass rush as well as additional seasoning for 2011’s draft picks.
Re: Need #7 – Personally, I’m hoping they take a TE in the 2nd if there’s a playmaking TE available.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 28, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
My gut tells me that Dielman is done.
I’m not keen on spending a 1st on a Guard either, unless we can guarantee a mauler. But those guys exist. Guards aren’t often taken in the 1st, but when they are, their bust-rate is super low. With a solid LT and RG, and a good C project (Colin Baxter is acceptable, I suppose), the team is Dielman away from being a multidimensional offensive juggernaut.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 28, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
The only guard I'd spring for a first in this draft class is DeCastro
And he’s very unlikely to last until #18. Vasquez, Green, and Schilling give us a good enough line, although losing Dielman to retirement would certainly hurt.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 28, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know where he's projected to go, probably too high for our purposes,
But if we’re looking at corners, I’d really like to see us take a shot at Alfonzo Dennard out of Nebraska. He’s got the ballhawking ability of Antonio Cromartie, but isn’t completely afraid to tackle— as a matter of fact, he hits much like Jammer does.
One thing that could be either a pro or con is his “swagger”, so to speak. He’s considered a team leader on the Huskers and is clearly fired up on the field, but after every play on his highlight reel he’s jumping around thumping his chest— so there’s the question whether he’ll be a team-first guy or a me-first guy.
Other corners who could be worth a shot later: Asa Jackson, Cal Poly (fast, long-armed, small school guy— who also returns kicks!); Desmond Marrow, Toledo (ditto, but taller and more of a developmental pick).
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 28, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Hate to sound like a broken record
But I think there’s serious chance he won’t be playing either position for the Chargers next fall, barring a contract renegotiation/extension. I think he could go the same way Jamal did.
The one thing that could save him is the fact that AJ is paranoid about corner depth and might be willing to eat an out-priced salary in order to ensure he has that.
are you kidding me
he’s signed through 2012 for 4 mil. you just called this guy jamal. that was horrible. jammer actually played this/last year. jaywill the last years just ate food. jayill respects the burrito and would even himself admit that
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He had a mediocre year
And he’s only getting older. They might try a cut and re-sign like they tried with Jamal, or they might just decide that 4 million is too much to pay a declining 33 CB and send him on his way. I love the guy and I hope I’m wrong but I wouldn’t be shocked if AJ thinks that 4 million dollars can be better spent elsewhere. Wouldn’t be the first time.
There's more money to be made by cutting guys that wore sweatpants
You think ejecting Jammer in the last year of his deal that pays him 4 mil will even be a decision. Please. Are you really that hard pressed to find deadwood on this squad. There’s 10 mil to be saved by cutting your jacked up LT, retirement of your LG should save 4 mil too. Could save another 5 by axing Castillo, all of this needs to not happen to even consider cutting Jammer. Consider Cason wasnt a beast this year and no one knows if the rookies are real nfl players yet.
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And I’m sure that if all of those moves do happen we will be able to totally replace them with quality players for the league minimum.
And I’m sure that Jackson and Tolbert and Hester and Hardwick and everyone else they want to retain will also be happy to sign on for the same.
And I’m sure at least a few quality free agents will accept payment in the form of magic beans.
is this your chewbacca defense
instead of talking about quality and numbers you fire off a blast on magic beans everywhere
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1) I’m not sure you know what the Chewbacca defense actually means
2) The meaning was pretty clear. Yes, getting rid of guys like McNeil and Dielman (neither of which is guaranteed) would save some money. But they would have to be replaced, and that wouldn’t be free. So you can’t just say “We’ll get X amount of dollars” and ignore the fact that it will cost you a good portion of that X to plug in a quality player right away.
maybe you like one of the rookie corners then?
1)2)3) i am not saying the getting rid of big mac and or dirty is going to be easy. or that it even will happen, although if i was forced to bet money i would guess both players will not be chargers in 2012. my point was that both these moves would make more sense that cutting jammer. “more sense” meaning less financial and quality risk to the team
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I would be totally shocked if Jammer isn't here next year.
There’s no one to replace him, and that would leave a hole not just at CB, but possible SS. This team has so many needs that releasing Jammer would actually be like when the Raiders let go of Charles Woodson. Yes the age is a factor but it’s not just about money. It’s the team impact as a whole.
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 27, 2012 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
I really like this idea!!!!!!
Jammer is a very physical corner and has always been a willing tackler in run support. The physical aspect of playing in the box and working to stuff the run won’t be a big adjustment for him.
Although he is starting to age, and may have lost a step to cover #1 WRs, he would probably be really good patrolling the middle of the field and matching up with TEs.
I think Jammer could play SS and would be a big upgrade at SS.
The question is, are we worse off having a hole at CB if he moves?
good corners are hard to come by.
You can have mediocre corners if you have a strong pass rush, but unfortunately, the chargers don’t. Safeties and coverage concepts can be altered as a whole to strengthen the defense against the pass, but the key aspect is still…. Pass rush.
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 28, 2012 7:40 AM PST up reply actions
The days of moving a corner to Safety because he can't cover well anymore are long gone
Safeties in today’s game need to be able to cover as well, thanks to the explosion of the playmaking tight end. Just a few years ago there were only a few teams in the league with legit receiving threats at TE, but nowadays the majority of the teams have at least one, and some teams have multiple (Pats, Ravens).
I agree that Jammer should stay at corner and the Chargers should focus on gaining a pass rush. Rather than having to replace a starting corner AND build a pass rush…
by jkvandal on Jan 28, 2012 12:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
interesting article of the difficulties of moving from CB to safety
at the National Football Post.
Written by Matt Bowen, former NFL DB. Short version = it’s hard.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 28, 2012 1:13 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
it would be a good idea
we need another CB with casons struggles we need a number 1 CB
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its because I asked gregg rosenthal
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 29, 2012 12:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
CB
forget drafting CB unless they are almost guaranteed as Starters like Peterson of the Cardinals or someone like that. I say the Chargers sign proven Free Agents that are still in their prime right now. The team (Rivers and Gates) are not getting any younger. If anything current positions issue should be address by both signing a proven Free Agent and by drafting. You should have a replacement for the time being and something in the future. Things happen in the NFL and the window doesn’t stay open that long. Looks like the Chargers are about to lose Dielman, and might lose Hardwick and McNiell too. All three are Pro Bowlers and will tough to replace.
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I think the move to SS would be solid if...
they go sign a younger version of Jammer, like Stanford Routt. He just got released today by the Raiders. He is a good cover corner, who tackles well. Move Jammer to SS, let him help the LB’s with the other teams TE’s, and support the run. I personally am getting a little tired of seeing our undersized safeties get run over (that is my only beef with Weddle). Routt is a physical guy who doesn’t shy away from contact (Cromartie).

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