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San Diego Chargers: Shopping for Free Agent Pass Rushers

Ever since Shawne Merriman's career went downhill the Chargers defense has been missing one key ingredient: A consistent pass rush. Shaun Phillips, when healthy, can provide some of that and Antwan Barnes can, in spurts, provide some as well. Both have contracts that expire after next season. The Chargers need to figure out an answer to this problem both for next year and in the long term. One way to answer that may be to bring in a proven pass rusher through free agency. Here is a listing of the top options with a brief scouting report and some pros and cons. Read up and then tell us which one you like.


Mario Williams

#90 / Linebacker / Houston Texans

6-6

295

Jan 31, 1985

North Carolina State


The surprise #1 overall pick in the 2006 draft. He had double digit sack seasons in 2007 and 2008, and was on pace for another (5 sacks in 5 games) in 2011 before tearing a pectoral muscle. He's an excellent athlete with speed and length. Most of his NFL experience was as a 4-3 DE, but he moved to the 3-4 OLB last year under ex-Chargers DC Wade Phillips. He turns 27 on January 31, which is pretty young for an NFL free agent. Full recovery from the muscle tear should not be a problem. The Texans will consider using the franchise tag on him, but that's a lot of money (and cap space) to commit to him and the team did pretty well down the stretch without him. He won't come cheap, so signing him may cost the Chargers the cap space it would need to keep other players (like Vincent Jackson, Nick Hardwick, Jacob Hester, etc.).


Cliff Avril

#92 / Defensive- End / Detroit Lions

6-3

260

Apr 08, 1986

Purdue


The four year NFL vet picked up his first double digit sack season last year helping the Lions to their first playoff berth since the 90s. He's seen his sack totals increase each year of his career and last year set a career high in forced fumbles. He'll be 26 next season making him, like Mario Williams, a pretty young free agent. He has no experience in the 3-4, but his size and athleticism would indicate that the transition wouldn't be too difficult. As a 4-3 DE, he's a bit undersized and in turn has learned to use leverage against bigger blockers. In the 3-4, his size is similar to other OLBs, but that skill would still come in handy. The Lions will be aggressive in trying to retain him, but a big offer could have him San Diego bound. Again, that complicates the Chargers payroll and could mean cuts elsewhere.

Check out the other 3 options after the jump.

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Robert Mathis

#98 / Defensive- End / Indianapolis Colts

6-2

245

Feb 26, 1981

Alabama A&M


One of the elder statesmen of the 2012 free agent pass rushing class. He'll be 31 when the 2012 season gets under way. He's also one of the most accomplished with 4 double digit sack seasons and 3 seasons where he had 9 1/2. In every year of his career, except in 2010, he had at least 3 forced fumbles. Like Avril he's undersized for a 4-3 DE (he's actually an inch shorter and about 15 lbs lighter), but has made it work. As a 3-4 OLB he'd a tad small, but it shouldn't be a problem for him. One of his strengths is going speed to power where he forces the blocker to back up to account for his speed and then uses strength and leverage to make the final move that gets him to the QB. That sort of pass rushing works great in the 3-4 where you get a running start at a blocker. The Colts are rebuilding and shouldn't provide much, if any, competition trying too re-sign him. That, combined with his age, could make him a cheaper option than Williams and Avril.


John Abraham

#55 / Defensive- End / Atlanta Falcons

6-4

263

May 06, 1978

South Carolina


The oldest of the pass rushing threats in this year's free agency. He'll be 34 come opening day. He's had 6 double digit sack seasons and 2 where he had 9.5. Early in his career he'd miss a fair number of games due to injury, but since 2007 he's played in at least 15 every year. Like Mathis, he's been a 4-3 DE all his career. He was actually traded from the Jets to the Falcons the year that Mangini took over in New York and switch the defense to a 3-4. He's good at using his acceleration to run around tackles and get to the QB, but if he has to fight off a blocker he loses effectiveness. As he gets older, that speed and acceleration may get away from him and therefore is not a long term answer. The Falcons probably want him back, but that age factor makes any team wary of a long term deal with a fat bonus.


Anthony Spencer

#93 / Linebacker / Dallas Cowboys

6-3

260

Jan 23, 1984

Purdue


The "bargain" option of the class. He's a former 1st round pick and he played for a number of years in Wade Phillips' defense with the Cowboys. He's 28 years old, so he should have a number of good years left in him. His career high in sacks is 6, which he's done twice and his career high in forced fumbles came last year. His higher tackle totals would tell you that he's been to be more of a complete defender than some of the other players here. He's good in pursuit, he's a good tackler, a little limited in coverage and he's made progress in his pass rushing game. He's most likely look for a team where he can continue to play the position he's familiar with and because the Chargers would fit that bill they wouldn't have to sacrifice too much cap space to get him.

Poll
Given their age, cost and history, which potential free agent pass rusher do you want playing for the Chargers next year and beyond?
Mario Williams
353 votes
Cliff Avril
117 votes
Robert Mathis
116 votes
John Abraham
21 votes
Anthony Spencer
139 votes

746 votes | Poll has closed

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I prefer Cliff Avril.

He’s young and just entering his prime, so we’d get him during his peak years. Though expensive, he’d most likely be worth the contract.

I’d rather sign a real difference-maker, rather than someone who might not be able to provide what we’re looking for, like a Spencer or Mathis.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 26, 2012 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

agree

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by Superduperboltman on Jan 27, 2012 6:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Even if it meant losing Vincent Jackson, I would rather have Mario Williams

I know this is a bit controversial, but I think a solid pass rush would help the entire team more than a receiver like VJ. That being said, if it meant losing Nick Hardwick and Jacob Hester as well, then I wouldn’t mind a cheaper option. I would rather not take Avril since I think he is as much of a product of all the other talent on that Detroit along the Defensive line. Spencer feels like Barnes did last year which could be ok (I don’t think great, but ok). Also according to FO initial data (meaning they aren’t sure enough to stand fully behind it) shows that Defensive ends tend to decline after age 29. Mathis (31) and Abraham (34) appear to have already started declining (Note: Abraham’s stats still look pretty good), and converting both players to OLB this late in their career doesn’t seem like it is going to happen.

by Ferguson1015 on Jan 26, 2012 2:35 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Edit

I just looked at the stats for both Mathis and Abraham (should have done that before posting). They both actually had pretty typical years, at least in terms of sack numbers. I still think they may decline fairly soon, so they would really only be a stop-gap until we got another player up to speed and producing.

by Ferguson1015 on Jan 26, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a funny tendency for old vet FAs to have one really good season after a move

That’s what I’m thinking. Don’t bank on it… but neither of these guys seems done yet.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 27, 2012 7:30 AM PST up reply actions  

shoulda coulda woulda

Aaron Curry was traded from seattle to Oakland for a fourth rounder during the season. That would have helped. Anyway, I think someone who is familiar with 3-4 would be worth extra money, since it seems the transition takes a little time even for the best. My vote is for Spencer, he would allow money to be spent on other things and provide an upgrade. The Chargers are not one pass rusher away from winning the superbowl.

by glamisdave on Jan 26, 2012 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

Aaron Curry was traded from seattle to Oakland for a fourth rounder during the season.

Would have helped who? He played a full season last year and still had fewer sacks than Larry English.

by CABurrito on Jan 26, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, he's no 34 OLB.

With that said, I think he could eventually be a Derrick Johnson type player at 34 ILB. Of course, I’m an idiot and don’t know what the hell I’m talking about.

by BORTZ on Jan 26, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

That's his ceiling, yes

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by John Gennaro on Jan 26, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

because he's not a pass-rusher....

He’s a 4-3 OLB. That’s like saying that Takeo Spikes should be helping with the pass-rush.

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by John Gennaro on Jan 26, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

No Ahmad Brooks?

He had as good a year rushing the passer as Spencer did and plays the run better. He might even come cheaper. That’s my choice.

by JKemp17 on Jan 26, 2012 4:14 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

he's 28=youngish

But I know this will come up in peoples head, last 49er’s olb we picked up was Travis LaBoy.
My feeling is that unless we can get the creme of the crop with Mario Williams, we get some cheap free agents and bite the bullet to move up and get a Courtney Upshaw. Remember Mathews anyone?

by bstew95 on Jan 26, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Brooks is an odd choice

His numbers are not very good (never even sniffed double-digit sacks) and he’s easily the 3rd best OLB on the 49ers. I’d consider him as a backup if we didn’t already have Barnes and LaBoy and English…..maybe.

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by John Gennaro on Jan 27, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

It depends how people feel about SP

are we looking for a compliment or are we looking for a premier pass rusher and moving SP to his more natural role as the compliment. I know what I want and I know thats probably not what AJ is thinking therefore I think Brooks is a possibility (as a compliment to SP).

Also I feel like LaBoy and English could be gone next year. I feel like we should hang onto English for at least one more year. He was successful when healthy.

by bstew95 on Jan 29, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Larry English gone for sure?

I still think he has a chance to be a GOOD player…if he could just get his foot right. As for the players here, I’m on board with the Mario Williams selection. We need to really overhaul our defensive roster.

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by Falawful on Jan 26, 2012 4:37 PM PST reply actions  

He's not gone for sure

But LaBoy might be.

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by Wonko on Jan 26, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

LaBoy...that dude is a lightning rod(pun intended) of hate

from the BFTB community. Anything goes wrong, LaBoy’s fault. Castillo’s injury? Secretly planned by LaBoy. All those fights by Bront Bird? Secretly, LaBoy suited up in his jersey and started those fights himself, no one can tell the difference. Point is, good riddance, regardless or not if it’s based in fact, which I recall it was. In short, he just has some negative juju about him.

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by Falawful on Jan 26, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I still kinda agree with you in that he could be a good player when healthy.

My sense would be that it’s probably a good thing for him that the guy who drafted him still has his job. I can’t see a new regime being eager to hang onto the old regime’s “busted” pick. And no one thing would vindicate AJ more than English panning out.

by bstew95 on Jan 26, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

English's foot holds the answer.

If he makes a full recovery he’s the next Shaun Phillips.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 27, 2012 7:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I really want to say Mario Williams

But I feel that Houston won’t let him test the free-agency waters. I like Abram, but how much does he have left? The possibility that he could start declining this year or in the next can’t be overlooked. I like Mathis, his athleticism, and that he could provide leadership to the younger players, but the same problem nags at me, much like Abram. Avril would be an excellent pickup for the Bolts in 2012 and the long-term. The cynic in me says that A.J. will want to find a pass rusher that we can get for cheap or a moderate amount of money that won’t sacrifice Hardwick and anyone else that is rumored to be leaving (i.e. Spencer, Mathis, Abram).

My heart says Avril, but my head tells me it’ll be Spencer or Mathis.

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by Jonathan Holmes on Jan 26, 2012 4:42 PM PST reply actions  

I voted Spencer but I would not be super excited about it

Even though Jarret Johnson is not a big pass rusher (so I shouldn’t mention him in regard to this post) when I look at OLB free agents that might be affordable he would probably be my selection.

by JeromeB on Jan 26, 2012 6:03 PM PST reply actions  

Spencer and Mathis would both be fits

If we are talking about affordable guys. I still think the team needs to draft two OLBs this year. One high and the another mid round flyer. If the chargers move on from Big Mac which I believe they will, and Dirty retires which I also think will happen that should take about 15 mil off the books. It would also mean taking a OL somewhat high in the draft.

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by Foilhat on Jan 26, 2012 7:56 PM PST reply actions  

We probably need to add 2 OLBs...........

Personally, I think Mathis is the most realistic. Granted he’s 31, but he likely has a few productive seasons left. His production speaks for itself and he’s always been undersized to play DE. I think he could easily stand up and play OLB in a 3-4 and his production speaks for itself.

I also think Mathis could be signed for significantly less money than Mario Williams and bring similar production, allowing the Chargers to address needs elsewhere.

Assuming we sign at least 1 FA OLB, we probably still need to draft at least 1 in rounds 1 through 4.

by J Korber on Jan 27, 2012 4:59 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Assuming we sign at least 1 FA OLB, we probably still need to draft at least 1 in rounds 1 through 4.

Agreed and was saying as much on Twitter last week. Phillips will probably need to be replaced after 2012.

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by John Gennaro on Jan 27, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

that is a very good crop of FAs

Acee has maintained we should go FA for a safety and draft a OLB, but that list makes me think otherwise…

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 27, 2012 7:57 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

There aren't many FA SS's available..................

I think Tyvon Branch is the only viable FA SS.

Some might argue Laron Landry, but that has Bob Sanders experiment part 2 written all over it,

Acquiring a FA pass rusher is a must. There are also only 2 top shelf safeties in the draft. Marc Barron, SS, Alabama, and Bacarri Rambo, S, Georgia. After those two it’s a big dropoff.
There is also an abundance of 3-4 OLB talent in the draft.

I think we should acquire a FA OLB, draft Mark Barron in the 1st, and acquire another OLB between rounds 2 and 5.

by J Korber on Jan 27, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Stuckey

May be the long term plan at safety (along with Weddle).

He did step up his game significantly on Special Teams this year. I think the lockout really slowed the development of the second year players this year so I’m eager to see if Stuckey makes the jump next year. That may be why Acee sees us going FA at safety, get some guy with a couple years left in the tank as insurance against Stuckey not stepping up. If Stuckey fails next year, draft a safety high the following year. Just speculation on my part, but we definitely don’t have anyone in the pipeline at OLB since English is really a backup and Gamble doesn’t seem to be an every down guy so it makes sense to try and fill that pipeline with a draft pick or two.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 27, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I am not optimistic about this..........................

I had high hopes for Stuckey the year he was drafted. After reading the scouting reports it sounded like AJ found a sleeper who might turn into an eventual starter.

Currently, of the players selected in that draft (who are still on the team), I think he has developed the least.

It’s probably not fair to compare him to Matthews who was a 1st round pick, so I won’t.

But Butler was selected in the 3rd and is starting. He missed his entire rookie season due to injury and had the same restrictions with the lockout. Cam Thomas was a 5th round selection and was a solid contributor on the defensive line and looks like he could potentially start if we were unable to retain Garay.

The idea of Stuckey being the answer at safety is a frightening prospect. As much as I’d like him to be the answer I haven’t seen anything to suggest he is even close to being ready to play. We even went out and resigned Paul Oliver who was released by Houston rather than letting Stuckey start, which means he was behind Sanders, Gregory, and Oliver who we had to pick up off the street. This makes me very pessimistic he will be able to contribute at Safety next year.

by J Korber on Jan 27, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

DLs take one year to build.

Safeties often take two. Had Ellison stuck around, he could have been good. Stuckey, it’s too soon to say.

Butler was just a lucky find. ILBs usually take more time than that.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 29, 2012 7:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I voted for Mario Williams

If it means a cap hit that sends Hester packing, I don’t care; VJax, I care somewhat, but I agree with the sentiment that a dominant rush will mitigate that loss; Hardwick, that’ll present some problems.

I would happily settle for Avril or Spencer, though I think Super Mario would make the biggest impact. Mathis and Abraham aren’t solutions— they’re options to buy time while we align ourselves to draft a homegrown stud pass-rusher.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 27, 2012 10:27 AM PST reply actions  

I voted Mathis on that very logic.

Williams is the best player available, but he’ll be pricey, and FA players are hit-and-miss. Mathis will be cheaper, and would probably give us a good year or two while we bring up an early draft pick. Williams could give us more than that, or not.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 29, 2012 7:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I voted for Mathis...

He won’t cost as much allowing to re-sign VJ, Hardwick and possibly Hester. We also could use the extra money to keep Gaither around. That said I feel we need to use our #1 pick on the best pass rusher on the board. Be it Upshaw, Nick Perry, Zach Brown et al. We will need as many OLB’s in camp next year for Pagano to utilize and and rotate. SP95 is not getting younger, injuries are bound to start adding up for him

by Fouts of Rage! on Jan 27, 2012 10:40 AM PST reply actions  

Totally agree on targeting Mathis

He won’t command the same kind of money as a Mario Williams but may very well be able to bring comparable production and be a good value. I think he’s got 2 or 3 good seasons left and he would be a big upgrade at OLB.

This draft is full of tweener DE/OLB prospects. We could probably find good value even in the 3rd or 4th round.

Bring in Mathis. Draft at least 1 OLB prospect in rounds 1 to 5. And if English gets 1 more crack at staying healthy (not optimistic) that’s 3 more bodies at OLB in camp.

by J Korber on Jan 27, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

If AJ even goes FA for a pass rusher

he won’t cough up the scratch needed to get Williams or Avril, or any other sure-fire game changer. No way. His history in FA seems to be to go for a veteran guy who was once pretty good, won’t cost much, and may be able to squeeze out another decent year or two. Especially if he once played defense for the 49ers . Mathis would be the most consistent with AJ’s MO, but I’ll plop down a fiver right now that says he doesn’t sign any of these guys.

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by QLFixBoy on Jan 27, 2012 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

Doubt it

A.J. cannot afford to screw this up, not after Spanos spared him and Norv after the end of the regular season. it is essential, for his sake, to get someone that will generate excitement with fans and address key issues in the Bolts gameplan.

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by Jonathan Holmes on Jan 27, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

He'll get somebody

But I like your logic. Might not be a big name, and if it is, Mathis seems most probable.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 29, 2012 7:36 AM PST up reply actions  

There is also no depth at ILB...............

We have very little depth at ILB or OLB. Both of those spots need upgrades.

If Garay is gone we need another NT (Thomas won’t play every down).

Jammer is starting to get beat deep frequently. He’s almost 33. Assuming Gilchrest is a starting corner down the road we still need depth at CB.

SS has been a problem for years. Sanders and Gregory are free agents. This is a a high priority fill.

There are a lot of holes to plug on defense.

by J Korber on Jan 27, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Mario Williams is the easy answer

but not realistic, especially if AJ hasn’t learned his lesson and is still Lord of No Rings, anti-FA, penny pinching. In a perfect world, they’d draft a pass rusher to build the rest of the defense around. And as far as Anthony Spencer goes (Dallas resident speaking), he perennially underachieves and has admitted as much. This D has zero depth and if most of the O-line weren’t about to retire because of age/injury, I’d say spend the entire post season on fixing the D.

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by riversonfire on Jan 27, 2012 7:56 PM PST reply actions  

Sign cliff Avril

hes young and hes a guy with a lot of upside id love to have Mario Williams but he will cost way too much and we need VJ back for a full season wouldn’t mind Anthony Spencer but there is some good OLB talent in the draft would love to see Brandon Lindsey in a chargers uniform and would be great value if we can get him in the third round well see what happens in free agency AJ better spend now or go

by mecho91 on Jan 28, 2012 8:00 AM PST reply actions  

I would love to get Williams, but I just don't see the Chargers doing this

That being said, I wouldn’t mind getting Mathis for a cheaper price, especially if it means keeping VJ.

by Kevron on Jan 29, 2012 2:28 PM PST reply actions  

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