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Review of Mel Kiper's Latest NFL Mock Draft


Mel Kiper's 2012 NFL Mock Draft (subscription required) starts out the way many of the 2012 variety do these days. Andrew Luck goes first to the Colts. Then predictability the next 3 off the board are Justin Blackmon, Matt Kalil and Robert Griffin III. Those four names are commonly placed in the top 4, in varying orders, but aren't Mel Kiper's top 4 according to his Big Board (subscription required). He actually likes BCS title game participants RB Trent Richardson and CB Morris Claiborne more than Blackmon and Griffin III. So, those two come off the board next. If you remember last year's draft, I had an article that outlined an NFL Mock Draft Best Fit Point System. Players like Trent Richardson are ones you want to get picked before the Chargers pick at #18. He's a RB, which is not a 1st round target position for the Chargers. Some rank him very high, some a little lower and most agree that picking a RB in the 1st round is a luxury item and not meant for the rebuilding teams that pick high in the draft. Nevertheless because Richarson is so highly regarded, it's pretty likely that he'll come off the board before the Chargers, thereby deeping the pool of players the Chargers would actually want to select.

As his mock moves on we see some names that would interest the Chargers come off the board. Picks 10-16 all are players that you could see the Chargers want to sport Blue and Gold. Alabama OLB Courtney Upshaw, who has been mentioned in plenty of comments here, goes to the Bills. Penn State DT Devon Still ends up on the Kansas City Chiefs to play in their 3-4 defense. South Carolina DE Melvin Ingram is selected by the Seattle Seahawks, depriving the Chargers of another pass rushing option. Two Stanford OL go next with OT Jonathan Martin landing with the Arizona Cardinals and OG David DeCastro gobbled up by the Dallas Cowboys. Boston College ILB Luke Kuechly might not be an ideal fit for the Chargers defense and fits better with the Philadelphia Eagles, but he's a talent at a position that need more depth. Alabama S Mark Barron would fill an opening for the Bolts, but Mel has him becoming a New York Jet.

At pick number 18 Mel Kiper has the Chargers selecting a player that has not been linked to the Chargers very often. He's a player we scouted week 1 of the college season for a game he didn't even play that well in. That player is...

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Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia

Here's what I said about the 6'5 Senior Guard way back in September:

His best skill is run blocking and that skill gets the highest grade possible, but also gets high grades for pass blocking as well. Extremely durable, hasn't missed a game yet. He's got that mean streak you look for and is real tough and physical. More than held his own against Nick Fairley last year when he went against him one-on-one. No character issues and has shown maturity since becoming the starter as a freshman.

That week the Georgia Bulldogs took on the Boise State Broncos. You can find a number of sources that will tell you that Cordy Glenn struggled against a good Broncos defensive line. Here's an example from CBS Sports' draft expert Rob Rang:

A few highly touted players struggled in season-openers. I'm quite high on the upside of Georgia offensive lineman Cordy Glenn, for example. However, the behemoth Glenn (6-5, 345) struggled with Boise State's speed in his first start at left tackle in nearly two years. While Glenn did start four games at left tackle in 2009, the other 32 starts of his career have come inside at either left (28) or right (four) guard. If Glenn continues to struggle outside, he'll confirm what scouts already suspect -- that he best projects inside at the pro level.

The optimist in me, however, wanted to highlight a breakout performer rather than a disappointing start considering the season has just begun.

You see that Rang didn't give up an his optimism towards Glenn and obviously he must have impressed in other games. Georgia played poorly to start the season and came together towards the end. It's reasonable to think that Glenn was one of those Dawgs that improved. It's reasonable because he's still universally highly regarded. Mel Kiper has him ranked 17th overall. The aforementioned Rob Rang has him 16th. Scouts Inc. has him 38th (subscription required). WalterFootball has him 22nd. ProFootballWeekly has him 19th. DraftCountdown has him 25th. The one detractor is the National Football Post who have him at 52.

What we can conclude is that the selection is more or less appropriate for the location of the pick in the draft, but is it the best direction for the Chargers to go. In my Team Needs Chart I list OG as a "Starter Competition" need. I define that category as "Current starter is FA next year and has understudy or current starter is inexperienced". The Chargers have 3 OGs with starting experience under contract for 2012: Kris Dielman, Louis Vazquez and Tyronne Green. All 3 have only 1 year left on their contract and on top of that Dielman is contemplating (and probably should go into) retirement. It's obviously a position that needs to be addressed in the near term. However, a 1st round selection may not be the answer.

If the Chargers select Glenn, most likely he rides the pine in 2012 while the more experienced players start. Even if Dielman doesn't return, I think we saw that Green is effective enough that he won't be easily replaced (assuming he stays healthy). Unlike other positions on the team, there's no rotation used on the offensive line to rest players and these large men don't play on kick return or coverage units. It's essentially a pick that may not be useful in 2012. Are the Chargers really in a situation where they can use a 1st round pick on a player that doesn't seem likely to play in 2012?

I think most of us would agree that the answer to that question is "No". Many of us will also realize that is unfortunate, because you'd like the luxury of picking players for the future instead of the present. But, as A.J. Smith would say, "It is what it is".

Using Mel Kiper's own Big Board, the best available player is Mississippi State DT Fletcher Cox, who Mel has the Denver Broncos selecting at 25th overall despite the massive DL prospect being ranked #13 by the man with hair. Mel says he's a 3-4 DE, which if the Chargers cut Luis Castillo (as Kevin Acee has mentioned), Cox could be an upgrade on Vaughn Martin.

Next available on his board is LSU DT Michael Brockers, who could probably play DE or DT in the 3-4. He came out early and will be one of the youngest players in the draft. Mel has him going 27th to the New England Patriots despite a #15 ranking.

Dontari Poe is another DT Mel likes (ranked 19th) and at 6'5, 350 lbs coming out of Memphis he could probably upgrade the NT position. In the mock, he goes 24th to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Michael Floyd is a WR who played for the Notre Dame Fight Irish and carries with him a large frame and some character concerns. Mel ranked him 20th and had him selected by the Chicago Bears at #19.

Mel Kiper doesn't have USC DE/OLB Nick Perry ranked in his top 25, but linked him to the Tennessee Titans at #20. This is probably who I would have selected for the Chargers if given a mock with the first 17 going the way that he had them go. However, it's curious as to why he doesn't rank highly on Mel's Big Board.

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Even if that offensive lineman wouldn't start in 2012?

Because, if healthy, we have 4 players in McNeill, Green, Vazquez and Clary that are under contract and should start.

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by Wonko on Jan 18, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant a lineman that can start right away

Actually if we can draft anyone in the 1st that can start right away I would take them

by chargerclipperfan on Jan 18, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

That was kind of my point

I don’t really see how a rookie lineman can start over the guys we currently have. At least not without sacrificing some short term effectiveness for long term gain.

I don’t know that the 1st rounder would need to start right away if he played another position. At least then you get some rotational value or special teams impact with the idea that the player has enough upside to justify not drafting a ready-to-start type of player.

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by Wonko on Jan 18, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

True

All we need to do is resign Gaither and hope McNeil stays healthy, Clary could be a back up and if Green and Vasquez are our guards our O-line will be pretty young and keep Hardwick at center and maybe find a replacement in the draft (maybe in the latter rounds). That should sure up our O-line for some time.

by chargerclipperfan on Jan 18, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt the Chargers will be able to retain Gaither

Also, you should use a hyphen when referring to a player signing a contract that would have him return to his previous team: “re-sign”. Resign means something else.

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by Wonko on Jan 18, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

My bad I got lazy

Do you think we have the upper hand on signing Gaither since we took a chance on him?

by chargerclipperfan on Jan 18, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope.

I imagine he will follow the money.

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by Wonko on Jan 18, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I know its doubtful

but can we tag him and work on a short term contract or trade him

by chargerclipperfan on Jan 18, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

That would not be prudent.

An agent would have to be crazy to pass up a franchise tag salary for a lesser contract.

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by Wonko on Jan 18, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

$8.45M

I wrote an article about the franchise tag candidates last week. Link.

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by Wonko on Jan 18, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Ummm

The majority of our offensive line is injury prone, it has been injured as a unit to varying degrees for most of Norv’s tenure. I get the feeling Glenn would see significant playing time next season even if he is not starting the season atop the depth chart.

Just in general, when I see people posting needs they pretty much gloss over the fact that our roster is full of guys who have durability issues, this is especially true at OL, and IMO it is far more important to protect Rivers and score points then to milk 8 or so sacks out of the OLB or DE position.

by GuyWilliams on Jan 19, 2012 6:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of rookie starters

I havent heard anything about Liuget since basically October when everyone was really high on him. Do people still feel the same way? I know he missed some time to injury but he looked pretty good to me when he was in, for a rookie.

by bstew95 on Jan 18, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

As expected, Liuget had some early season struggles with the new position.

His late season play wasn’t anything to write home about either, but he showed improvement and hopefully with a full off season he’ll be an effective starter in 2012.

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by Richard Wade on Jan 18, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I know I can't ask you to tell me straight out how he'll perform.

But still what does effective starter mean? Does that mean pro-bowl or merely what the much cheaper Jaques Cesaire was last year? I just want a sense of what to expect.

by bstew95 on Jan 18, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

A 3-4 DE

Has the odds immensely stacked against him to make a Pro Bowl by virtue of the defense not asking them to get sacks, whereas at 4-3 DE you will consistently see Pro Bowlers with sacks in the double digits.

I think Liuget’s biggest impact as far as tackles and potentially forced fumbles would go, will come in the run game. For the passing game his job is to push the OL around so LBs can get to the QB.

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I understand that

Im very excited to see him improve. I was under the impression that he would be the exception to the rule of non-pass rushing 3-4 d ends because of his experience and talent at it in college.

by bstew95 on Jan 19, 2012 1:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think the Chargers defense calls for exceptions to that rule

Where he’d probably need to make his mark sacks-wise is when the team drops eight into coverage letting 3 rush. Guys like Aaron Smith and Justin Smith have excelled in those situations. Liuget may have the skill to do so as well, but I’m not sure he does. That’s not a knock against him per se since I see him being able to do the other jobs of the 3-4 better than those two.

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

If he consistently causes teams to double team him

He basically is suppose to eat up blockers to free up the LBs

by chargerclipperfan on Jan 19, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

What's with these mock drafts?

I’ve seen a ton which have the Chargers taking a guard first, and one even predicted a center.

Since when are guards and centers taken in the mid first round? Even the very best G and C prospects don’t usually go before the 20s, and the vast majority slip to at least round 2 and below. Tons of great interior lineman are found in the mid to late rounds.

And who in their right mind thinks that center or guard is such a pressing issue for the bolts that they have to grab one at 18, or that they have the luxury of drafting one so high? Even with the current uncertainty on the line, there are options already available, and far more pressing needs elsewhere.

by CABurrito on Jan 18, 2012 2:44 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Cordy Glenn and David DeCastro

Are special OGs. They are the rare 1st round worthy types of guards (as mentioned by Rang, Glenn actually played LT in college). I don’t know of any OCs that are first round caliber, but I think if you look at the last few years, it’s not that uncommon to see a OC go in the later part of the 1st round.

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by Wonko on Jan 18, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed

We seem to get about one OC a year somewhere in the 20’s. I can’t ever recall one going before 20. Even Nick Mangold barely made it into the first round, and he was his teams 2nd first round pick of the year.

At 18, and with the need we have, I just can’t see a G or C being the best choice.

by CABurrito on Jan 18, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

A big reach according to Scouts, Inc

Ben Jones carries their top grade as a third round pick. Peter Konz is next after that, also with a 3rd round grade.

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by Wonko on Jan 18, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Scouts, Inc is hosted by ESPN

CBS typically doesn’t have scouting reports up until just before the draft, whereas Scouts, Inc has a lot of them before the college season starts. Pro Football Weekly has been good about getting them up early as well this year.

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by Wonko on Jan 18, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd happily take DeCastro, who could start right away.

Glenn… ehh, maybe. It depends how confident AJ is that we can get a top-flight pass rusher in the second or third. I’m still mocking Vinny Curry as our first-rounder, though I could see Nick Perry or even a fallen, post-arrest Dre Kirkpatrick as our guy.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 18, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

You're the first person

I’ve seen say that Curry is first round material. Right now I’m seeing him with a 3rd round grade.

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by Wonko on Jan 18, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

He'll have to have good offseason

To get that grade up then.

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

NFP calls him a fringy one/high two, other sites (including CBS Sports) are more effusive

I do believe that it’s possible because he had great stats at a less-prestigious D-I school, has good physical tools, and he has a great work ethic… but mostly because AJ Smith is our GM and who knows what the medieval fcuk he’s thinking.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 19, 2012 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Lined up at 3-technique at times and initial quickness gave interior offensive linemen problems. Limited in space and doesn’t appear to be a viable candidate to move to outside linebacker in a base 3-4 front.

…slow recognizing kick out and down blocks. Played the run on the way to the quarterback and got caught too far upfield at times.

Initial quickness is slightly above average but lower body flexibility is just average and he can lose his balance when trying to bend back inside. Closing speed is just average.

There’s a decent amount of knocks on him that I can understand why he may not be seen as a 1st or 2nd rounder.

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by Wonko on Jan 20, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

First Round Pick

If David DeCastro is available (which is unlikely) I think the Chargers should get him as I think he is as much a sure starter and potential star as any OL in the draft.

I prefer an OLB like NIck Perry or Courtney Upshaw who can rush the passer. The other player who until today (when is was announced he is being prosecuted for possession of Marijuana) was a top 10 lock is Dre Kirkpatrick —if he drops to the 18th position I would grab him as he is a shut down physical CB who could take Jammer’s position and move Jammer to SS.

by Circles1999 on Jan 18, 2012 6:16 PM PST reply actions  

that

and Marvin McNutt in the 2nd rd and everybody will be chasing AJ for stealing the draft, trading up to the end of second and grabbing La Michael James and Chargers fans will be screaming Superbowl again.

by john1 on Jan 18, 2012 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

McNutt in the 2nd round would be one of those A.J. headscratchers

Since he’d be projected as more of a 4th or 5th rounder.

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Kirkpatrick is an excellent prospect

He is not a shutdown corner however.

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I like where you going bro that would be great especially if we could get upshaw he is a force!. Nick perry is also so either one would be fine though I would prefer upshaw. n kirkpatrick would be a savage at cb. Jammer could be an effective SS he can hit.

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by Bleu on Jan 22, 2012 8:48 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

2nd round grade

A bit of a reach at 18. Has the offseason to prove that wrong though.

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by Wonko on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I would HATE that pick

unless for some reason Dielman retires…otherwise I would have a hard time supporting a pick that doesn’t involve a pass rusher in the first round.

by jkvandal on Jan 18, 2012 6:57 PM PST reply actions  

Agree with jkvandal here

Pass rush is the most vital need in rd 1. However this is mostly speculation because we have not dipped into free agency yet. If somehow we were able to retain Gaither or acquire another OL then that position can be addressed after rd1. The same can be said for pass rush if it is addressed in free agency. Either way it is evident that OL and pass rush are our 2 most pressing needs. Hopefully AJ feels the same way.

by Eman3737 on Jan 18, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Could not agree more...

A pass rusher is the biggest need and would make the largest impact…if they get it right!
I would not mind trading up to get a guy similar to Von Miller or Aldon Smith on last year’s draft.
Is there any body in this year’s draft that projects like them?
You can always get good Olinemen on later rounds (Mcneill (2nd round), Dielman, (undrated), Hardwick (3rd nound), Vasquez (3rd round), Gaither (5th round)….
AJ, Get an impact pass rusher PLEASE!!!

by Joan.Manuel.Martinez on Jan 19, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Any

Defensive pick in the first I would be happy with, just not so much with DB especially safety. There seems to be good OLB prospects hopefully Chargers land one.

by john1 on Jan 18, 2012 8:07 PM PST reply actions  

OLB

Would like a OLB to be drafted with a 1st round pick. Think it will have the biggest impact on this team. I feel like the offense is good. D needs work.

by Michaelt817 on Jan 18, 2012 8:16 PM PST reply actions  

For OLBs

I like Upshaw but it seems he’ll be gone by the time we pick. I’ve hard some stuff about Melvin Ingram. Don’t know much about him. Then there’s Nick Perry, who reminds me of English as a boom or bust kind of guy.

by bstew95 on Jan 18, 2012 9:06 PM PST reply actions  

Ingram is hard to cipher

At this point I think he’s a bit of a project, but one with a ton of physical potential.

He’s an amazing athlete, but the tape I’ve seen on him isn’t very clear on what he can do as a rush OLB. When I watched him he didn’t fly off the ball, but I don’t know if that was because his assignment was read and react or if he simply didn’t have a high motor. When he did make a move he had great closing speed.

by CABurrito on Jan 19, 2012 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

The way we view the draft has certainly changed

There was a time, and perhaps I’m dating myself, when it was RARE to draft a player out of college and have him start in his rookie year, at ANY position. Now, it’s expected that your first round draft choice be able to make an immediate contribution. That’s what money has done to the sport. But I digress.

While Glenn is a solid, but long term, choice, I would prefer that the Bolts go after a pass rusher. Vinny Curry’s stock has risen tremendously, and is expected to rise even further in the combines. No less than The Sporting News is saying that he is the Bolts’ likely choice: “The Chargers need an outside linebacker opposite Shaun Phillips who can also make an impact. Curry fits that role.”

by charger19 on Jan 18, 2012 9:53 PM PST reply actions  

Correct

as rookie salaries started to increase, particularly with first rounders, it became hard to justify a guy riding the pine while making more money than most of the veterans on the team.

With the new rookie wage scale, teams may not be FORCED to put a guy in that position if he isn’t ready, so maybe we will see the pendulum swing back the other direction like it used to be.

by jkvandal on Jan 19, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Castillo for sure gone?

I don’t understand that. I feel a lot of people were thinking “yeahh, with Castillo back our Defensive front has the potential to be pretty scary.” Now, we’re looking at a repeat of last year in terms of front pressure. I mean, Castillo is really like 3 defensive members, because of how he would improve Garay and mentor/help Liuget. Castillo’s a beast man, with him gone there needs to be free agent acquisitions more than draft picks in my opinion.

by Falawful on Jan 18, 2012 10:29 PM PST reply actions  

Castillo is likely gone. The general idea is that he costs too much and there are other bigger needs.

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by Richard Wade on Jan 18, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Once you mentioned WalterFootball's rankings

your credibility sunk like a stone.

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by Buck Melanoma on Jan 19, 2012 5:40 AM PST reply actions  

Wisdom of crowds

In something like this its worth gathering up as much info as possible. It doesn’t mean you accept everything they say without question. And from the look of it their ranking is pretty consistent with all the others, so if they are wrong then you have to throw out the whole lot.

by CABurrito on Jan 19, 2012 8:13 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

^This.

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by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2012 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Except

Using wisdom and Walter Chrepinsky in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

So he copies and pastes from other sites. This makes him a legit source?

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by Buck Melanoma on Jan 20, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

They all play of each other's opinions and thoughts

That’s what 90% of draft speculation is. Again, there’s a difference between looking at a lot of sources with a grain of salt and blindly beliving what a source says. Its the same thing that in news or scholarship or any such field. Just as you should never trust any news source blindly 100% neither should you take any draft analyis as infallible

by CABurrito on Jan 20, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

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