Should The Chargers Use The Franchise Tag?
The San Diego Chargers have used the Franchise Tag each of the last 3 years. The first two of those years the team used it on RB/KR Darren Sproles. Then last year the Chargers slapped it on WR Vincent Jackson and let Sproles walk. The Franchise Tag requires the team to offer a player a one year contract that is the average of the top 5 salaries at the player's position or 120% of the player's salary from the previous season. So, if the Chargers wanted to use the Franchise Tag on Vincent Jackson again, they'd need to offer him a 1 year contract worth 120% of what he made last year.
That $13 million price tag is probably too much to pay Vincent Jackson and still have enough to do what they need to do sign some other players this offseason. However, the deadline for using the tag comes on February 25 while free agency doesn't start until March 5. The Chargers can negotiate a long term deal with Vincent Jackson at any time before the 25th of February, but once that date passes Jackson (and his agents) know they can get to Free Agency unencumbered and will want to test those waters for the best possible deal. Hopefully, if you have been paying attention, you get the same ticking clock visual that goes with this situation. The Chargers have about a month and a half to resolve this situation with Vincent Jackson.
Recently, the the rumor mill has stated that the Chargers will not use the Franchise Tag on Vincent Jackson. This is either a show of good faith towards the big wide receiver or it's a partial leverage killer. It would seem to be the latter since #83 has said that he'd be okay being re-tagged. Still, if the rumors are true then it begs the question: Should the Chargers use it on someone else?
Mike Tolbert
The roly poly RB is not a starter on the team and is nowhere near the dynamic runner that Ryan Mathews is. Still he's a pretty popular player as evidenced by our approval poll last year and he has his uses both on offense and on special teams. Tolbert won't exactly be a high demand free agent and the difference between the cap hit that comes with signing Tolbert and paying for the tag are too big. It's also a fungible position, Tolbert is not the main guy and the team could take an even smaller cap hit by just replacing Tolbert with someone who's almost as good, but less experienced.
Nick Hardwick
The incumbent Center is an interesting case. He's getting up there in age so a one year deal would be appealing. He's also likely to be in demand since he's one of the best in the game at his position. However, he's also at a point in his career where he'd probably like a contract that takes him through the end of his career. So, a 3 year deal or so works for both player and team as it saves some cap space.
Antonio Garay
The Nose Tackle position is one of the most important positions in the 3-4 and Garay has been holding it down for the Chargers for the past two years. That being said, he's in his 30s and the team already has his replacement in house in Cam Thomas who played well down the stretch. He might not even be the starter if he returned. It's better to take the risk of him signing elsewhere and not risk paying for an expensive backup in 2012.
Jacob Hester
The organization loves Hester, both for his work on offense and on special teams. He also plays FB, which isn't a position with many high paid players. However, according to Franchise Tag rules FBs get paid like RBs so that doesn't help. No way it's worth it to pay at least $8 million for what Hester does.
Jared Gaither
Charger fans are getting familiar with Gaither as he stepped in late this season and filled in admirably for Marcus McNeill and was a massive upgrade over Brandyn Dombrowski. A show like that will put him in demand among teams that need an offensive tackle. It might be the case that only the Franchise Tag will keep him in San Diego and the Chargers might want him because of lingering questions about McNeill. However $10 million is probably too much for that kind of peace of mind.
Conclusion: It's Vincent Jackson or bust. Signs point towards the Chargers passing over Jackson for the tag and just keeping it in the pocket for the season. If they do that, I hope this article helped you understand that rationale.
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Long term VJ deal
is looking like a 5 year, $50M type deal. And the Bolts would probably be willing to pay him somewhere in that neighborhood… If I do the math, that averages out to $10M a year, not a whole lot less that the Franchise number. Perhaps the chargers should back-track on their statement that they won’t franchise VJ?
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 11, 2012 11:21 AM PST reply actions
I think that would be overpaying for him
but since there aren’t other options, they might have to. I was thinking a 5 year contract worth a potential 50 mil with incentives on catches and yards, and behavior wouldn’t hurt
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 11, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
if we franchise him again
we would be overpaying him…give the man a long term deal already
by chargerclipperfan on Jan 11, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
VJaX is the man!
Not franchising VJ would simply add to the mistakes the CHARGERS have made (Cromartie, Brees, Lorenzo Neal, Sproles). VJ is one of the best in the business and losing him would affect the WR core and passing game dramatically. Floyd would then be our top receiver and he is to injury prone and is nothing compared to VJ. Pay the man……
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by Lil'Terry on Jan 11, 2012 12:59 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Of your four mistakes, only Sproles was a mistake.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 11, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and even that wasn't a mistake
if Norv refuses to use him properly
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
He hasn't been worth $14 million yet
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by John Gennaro on Jan 11, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Granted.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 11, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Not worth franchising at all.............
There were multiple times this last season I found myself thinking VJ just isn’t a true, dominant, #1 WR. He disappears for long stretches of games and often doesn’t show up against top level competition.
Remember the effort on the jump ball in Kansas City? I do………………..it was a bad time to take a play off.
He’s a nice piece, but he is not an elite, #1 WR and doesn’t deserve elite, WR money.
Cam Thomas
I recently read that some within the organization aren’t convinced that Cam is ready to be the starter just yet. I think it was Acee who said that.
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im not convinced either
hopefully he has a monster off season and proves me wrong
by chargerclipperfan on Jan 11, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
I think the guys who suffered the most were the 2nd year guys. They didn’t get in the typical amount of work in the off-season and thus made a smaller than expected jump in their second year.
Hopefully Cam can take advantage of this off-season and come back ready to roll.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 11, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
yea i kno
when the lockout ended i was more excited about the 2012 season because we had a lot of new ppl getting used to the program
by chargerclipperfan on Jan 11, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Cam is almost ready.
I’ll be posting something about him and other later on
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by Superduperboltman on Jan 11, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Nice
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by Cake or Death on Jan 11, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
There are some big name WR out there in FA..........
Which could drive VJ’s value down a little bit in terms of getting a long term deal done.
$13 million would be grossly overpaying, and there are multiple holes to fill on this roster. We really can’t afford to aggregiously overpay anyone. Further, $50 mil for 5 years at $10 mil a year is probably over paying. If Floyd was worth $3.2 mil per year I’d say VJ is probably not worth any more than double that…………..so $6.5 to $7 mil per year would be good.
Here are some of the guys who will be available:
Reggie Wayne (getting kind of old)
Wes Welker
Dwayne Bowe
Desean Jackson
Marques Colston
Stevie Johnson
Mike Wallace
Plaxico Burress
If we could get Bowe or Colston for the price we’d like to pay Jackson ($7 mil per) I’d be fine replacing him with either of those 2.
I thought I saw that Robert Meachem was a FA too
He and Colston are the two most attractive to me. Just because they’re attractive… ;)
by Andy (allfield) on Jan 11, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
The more cynical side of me guesses that
A.J. Smith lets Jackson walk, and we DON’T pick up any of the guys mentioned. Floyd moves to the no.1 slot, Brown to no.2.
Ok, maybe he’s not that stupid, given that he has one more chance to get this right, but at this point, I simply don’t trust A.J.
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by Jonathan Holmes on Jan 11, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
VJ can't be replaced
No free agent WR is even close to being as versatile as VJ except COLSTON. VJ got size, strength, great route running, leadership skills, chemistry with RIVERS, need I say any more?.
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by Lil'Terry on Jan 11, 2012 1:05 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Of that list
I only expect 2 or 3 to actually be available. Plaxico and Wayne are the most likely to be let unsigned, as the majority of the guys are in their prime or critical to their offense. I would expect the rest to be re-signed before hitting free agency.
like to see VJ long term
but not for elite money. Man doesn’t deserve Fitz money, but that doesn’t mean another team won’t offer it.
We need to remove Jeromey Clary from this team.
If any lineman ever gives up the shot that ends Rivers’ career, it’ll be him. The guy is merely adequate against average pass rushers and crumbles against good ones.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 11, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but I don't think we will
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jan 11, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
2 things...........
1) If we bring Gaither back then we’ve got Gaither and Mcneill and Clary almost immediatley becomes expendable. Dumbo could be resigned for significantly less than Clary and is a suitable fill in at multiple positions on the OL.
2) It was my understanding most of the money from that contract extension he signed was paid up front (1st year), which means he could be released any time.
I disagree
If McNeill continues to play, having a backup is critical, his injury scares me. Not sure how Gaither plays on the right side, but he’s played quite well on the left. I’d say we would feel much better about our tackles with McNeill, Gaither, and Clary. The majority of Clary’s money has already been paid to him, which means two things:
1) He can but cut with little penalty
BUT
2) He can be retained for little money
The second point is more important to me.
Do you think it would be more cost effective to................
Retain Dombo and let Clary walk. Dombo has proven to be a capable backup at RT and OG. He’s a below average LT, but he’s serviceable on the right side and at OG. I would be fine with retaining Gaither (who is only 25), putting him at RT or moving Mcneill to RT and having Dombo as the back up, especially if he’s less expensive.
Schilling also proved to be capable when forced into action this season. I think he could be a solid backup RT or G as well.
I think that would work
I also think Dombo is a good back up…and I would put McNeil at RT, right now I trust Gaithers more than McNeil
by chargerclipperfan on Jan 14, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Just what I've heard
Bills fans really want VJ to play opposite of Stevie Johnson
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by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Jan 11, 2012 4:51 PM PST reply actions
And I'd like a pony.
But we’ll see. Do the Bills have cap space? They did give a very large deal to Fitzpatrick this year.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 11, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
confused
does this mean the Bills fans want us to sign Stevie Johnson?
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 12, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Franchising a older WR is tricky
… I think. If you franchise him (VJ) this year then either you are going to plan to franchise him the next year OR you have someone “in the shoot” that you plan on replacing him with the following year.
If you franchise him this year then I believe he is then a UFA the next year (unless you can franchise him again the next year) and you get nothing for him and with his age, even though he is not necessarily OLD yet you are investing big money into someone who you don’t plan on keeping.
If you sign him to a long-term contract (say 3-5 years) then I think you can still get really good value for your investment. I don’t think that 7 – 10 mil is absolutely out of the question. Maybe you can front load the contract for the first two years and then do a performance-based contract on the remaining years of his contract.
I like Malcom Floyd but he is not a #1 and he doesn’t stay healthy.
I like Vincent Brown but I don’t think he will ever be a number 1 WR, and is probably best suited as third/slot wr and possession type of wr.
I would love to get Colston but he has had injuries too and I’m not so sure Drew Brees will allow the Saints organization to let him walk….. Come on Drew, you owe us one! Lol.
The other thing to consider is Gates. For years he has been our #1 wr even though he is the TE. But he is beginning to crest that hill of his “prime” and searching for a legit #1 WR while your franchise TE is on his way down could put us in a bad situation offensively.
The offense is better with him than without him
So, talent-wise the Chargers need to sign him to a long term deal. Money-wise, I have no idea what room the Chargers have vs what ridiculous number his agents wil ask for (because assgents always ask for the moon) that may keep the deal from getting done.
I’d like to see him back because Floyd has proven he’s injury prone, not Buster injury prone, but he will miss at least a couple games every year. Brown can become a solid #2.
Is there a solid WR coming out of the draft this year? Because WR free agents are by far the most overpayed and underperforming FA’s out there.
There are some good WR prospects in the draft..............
But could you really see us taking a WR in the draft in the first 3 rounds? If we’re talking about day 3 prospects they probably wouldn’t be ready to contribute right away.
Guys that would be potential Jackson replacements via the draft:
Alshon Jeffrey – WR – South Carolina
Michael Floyd – WR – Notre Dame
Dwight Jones – WR – UNC
Mohamed Sanu – WR – Rutgers
Marvin Mcnutt – WR – Iowa
But there are a plethora of free agent WRs out there. Maybe because the market is saturated with FA WRs the asking prices go down a little bit. If Jackson is out the door and we can get a Marques Colston or Dwayne Bowe at a reasonable price I’d be fine with that.
We’ve got a lot of holes to fill and some of them will have to be through FA.
I don't think New Orleans is going to let either of their starting WRs walk
I would get a PFOB to see Colston in San Diego, though.
Rookie wide receivers make me nervous. For every AJ Green or Julio Jones, there’s a Buster Davis/David Terrell/Freddie Mitchell. I like Jeffrey and Floyd, though, and Sanu could be worth a pick if he slides.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 12, 2012 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Totally agree...........
I’d prefer to resign VJ…………….but not at Larry Fitzgerald numbers. Frankly, I don’t think anyone will offer him that kind of money. If they do…………..then congratulations to VJ and the team has to move on. I’m totally speculating regarding the draft and FA. Ideally you’d like to see VJ resigned long term.
VJ
DBowe drops passes, Meachem & Colston r going to stay in NO. Mike Wallace skill set isn’t as great as VJ. DJackson is good but small and to his size there are things he will never be able to do like VJ, but he would be a special teams upgrade. The rest of the guys listed as FA next year ain’t nothing close to VJ. We do not have offensive woes in our receiving core, but I do think that Crayton is a liability on both special teams and he is dallas trash. Replace him with Vincent Brown as our slot receiver and go after a tight end. OL I think as long as we atleast retain Gaither we will be cool. We need a bigger FB and a more athletic young TE. There aren’t many issues on the offensive side of the ball our defense needs a makeover, our secondary with the exception of EWeddle are not quality defenders, I don’t even need to speak on our LB core.
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by Lil'Terry on Jan 12, 2012 11:16 AM PST via Android app reply actions
Noc it off
Lorenzo neal led the way for LT they traded him and the next season LT got hurt and thats y I say trading Neal was a mistake. Cromartie was a mistake becuz he is better than any CB on our roster especially QJammer. Trading Drew Brees was a big mistake and luckily P.Rivers delivered for us. I don’t even need to speak on Sproles looc where our special teams unit is now, clearly a downgrade. I even think we made a mistake losing SamOsgood from our special teams unit even though he missed that tackle on SantonioHolmes in that playoff game against the steelers.
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by Lil'Terry on Jan 15, 2012 8:26 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Check your facts and try again.
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