San Diego Chargers Offensive Coordinator Clarence Shelmon Resigns
by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2012 2:28 PM PST
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PrintAccording to Christopher Smith, who would know, San Diego Chargers' Offensive Coordinator Clarence Shelmon will not return to the team in 2012 and it sounds like he's done with coaching in the NFL completely.
Since the hiring of Norv Turner, asking people who the OC of the Chargers has been a fun trivia question. Shelmon went so unknown and unappreciated because Norv Turner was the one calling the plays, but Shelmon had plenty of control over the San Diego running game (including back in the LaDainian Tomlinson days).
With Shelmon and Greg Manusky gone, the Chargers will be starting 2012 with two new coordinators (which they haven't done since 2007) and still need to replace the Linebackers Coach position as well as a few others that will seemingly come open in the next few weeks.
Look for the OC position to be filled with another Running Backs Coach, either on the team (Ollie Wilson) or otherwise (Jerald Ingram?), so that Norv can focus on Philip Rivers and the passing game.
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Well now our offense is definitely vanilla
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
I'm not 100% sure what Shelmon did for the Chargers
But, I feel like he was in that position for too long anyway. I know Norv runs the offense, but if you’re keeping the HC because he runs a good offense, but want a change of leadership this seems like a good place to start.
Of course, the story is that Shelmon resigned, so maybe I shouldn’t give the Chargers any credit for moving on from Shelmon.
IIRC, Shelmon was a guy that LT had endorsed to go from RBs coach to OC. I don’t really care who LT endorses anymore.
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Over priced and mediocre, mmmmm yum!
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by Cake or Death on Jan 10, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
IIRC, Shelmon was a guy that LT had endorsed to go from RBs coach to OC.
Correct
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Trying to find former Norv offensive assistants
So far: Terry Robiskie (WR coach in Washington) and Mike Martz (QB coach in Washington). Both have been NFL OCs. Both have been NFL HCs.
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Norv's OC in Oakland
Was Jimmy Raye II. That’s the father of Chargers current director of player personnel Jimmy Raye III. Raye’s NFL job was SF OC from 2009-2010 from which he was fired.
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Oh please no
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
He's 64 years old.
I don’t see him returning.
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Jim Hostler
Was Norv’s QB Coach in SF. Took over as OC when Norv left, but was run out on a rail after one year. He’s now the WR coach in Baltimore. His playcalling was questioned, but it’s not like it was an easy situation. Norv left late in the game (remember Marty was fired way later in the offseason than most coaches) and Hostler probably wasn’t ready.
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Not unless he goes and intentionally pisses off Spanos to get fired like Marty did.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 12, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
what do you guys think of having hue jackson as our OC
by chargerclipperfan on Jan 10, 2012 2:47 PM PST reply actions
Norv hasn't worked with him
And Jackson only has 1 year of experience as an OC. Hard to see Norv letting him call plays and hard to Hue wanting to go somewhere where he couldn’t.
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Hot Topic for Debate: Norv should delegate play calling to the new OC, and hire with that in mind.
About the same odds as LT coming back to San Diego to sit on the bench.
Jackson has been the OC in Faider land for the last two years.
And was OC for the Ravens in 08 and 09. Jackson backed Norv during our losing streak and I could see AJ & Norv bringing him in as OC or assistant HC.
I don't want something that has been tainted by the Raiders
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by Lmbs2slaghtr on Jan 10, 2012 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
That was before my time
I hate scooter pie
by Lmbs2slaghtr on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Jackson was QB coach in Baltimore.
Cam Cameron has been their OC since 2008. Jackson was OC in Oakland in 2010. Hence, one year of experience.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 10, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
Hue already set it up
Remember this?
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/dec/28/raiders-jackson-has-turners-back-point/
heh heh
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by Buck Melanoma on Jan 11, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
MIKE MARTZ NOOOOWWWWWW
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jan 10, 2012 3:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
then we really need to draft O-line this year
by chargerclipperfan on Jan 10, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Why draft them when he won't use them?
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by John Gennaro on Jan 10, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
yea i kno
im surprised rivers doesn’t get seriously injured every year
by chargerclipperfan on Jan 10, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Martz learned his offense from Norv
I don’t really see Martz changing up Norv’s stuff. More of a collaboration.
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This is why I think it could work
Martz would bring experience and a fresh perspective. Norv doesn’t need to completely revamp his offense but I think he could benefit from some of the multiple WR sets that Martz could bring to the offense.
Personally I don’t think that Norv would let Martz run minimum protections all the time like he did in Chicago, but it would bring a new level of unpredictability to the offense.
I know Martz has an ego
But, if Norv let him call his own plays and build gameplans, it could work. Norv would still be the HC and get to approve things, but having worked together before it wouldn’t be as big a hit to Martz’ ego if he knows that the agree on the basics of what they are trying to do.
Of course, maybe Martz hated working with Norv. Who knows.
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Awe, come on, who wouldn't want to work for Norv?
You can do whatever you want with no repercussions…sorry that was too easy.
Do you want to get Rivers killed?
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Jan 10, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Hey! Now there's a place for Norv on the coaching staff!
But seriously, I would like to see someone like Martz come in. I doubt Norv would let him run his minimum protection schemes all the time (but some of the time), which is why I think he would work out well in SD…but also probably the exact reason he won’t end up in SD, he’s used to running his own show offensively I would think.
Too bad Norm Chow accepted the job at Hawaii, I think it would have been nice to reunite him with Rivers.
Personally, I think Norv is a great offensive mind, but I think he would benefit a lot from being about to bring someone in with a lot of experience (like Martz) so that he doesn’t HAVE to run the offense, even though I’m sure he wants to.
Awesome for
Von Miller, Tamba Hali and Rolando McClain
by CABurrito on Jan 10, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty sure Rolando McClain wouldn't be considered a premier pass-rusher if that's what you're getting at
Most 4-3 MLB aren’t premier pass rushers.
Also, with Norv’s oversight I’m not sure that Martz would run as much minimum protection stuff as he did in Chicago, especially since Rivers is nowhere near as mobile as Cutler. Sure there would be some, but there would also be a lot more multiple WR sets which would force teams to use more CB-heavy packages.
I’ve also thought to myself many times that Mathews could play a lot like Matt Forte has the last couple seasons under Martz if given the chance (and if he gets the fumblitis vaccine).
In defense of the min protection/getting QB killed stuff
That also goes back to Martz’ time in StL. Warner took a few years to recover after his time with the Rams and Bulger was plagued by injuries. Alternatively, when everything was in place for those guys it went really, really well. It’s also worth mentioning that Bulger was never healthy. That’s why no one had heard of him until he took over. He would have been a high draft pick, but couldn’t stay on the field at West Virginia.
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by Wonko on Jan 10, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would definitely be a fan of Martz coming in to work for Norv
but only if he could teach Rivers how play-action fakes should really be done.
If they promote Ramsdell to OC
I’m just gonna bitch about how can they justify that hire when Rivers was never taught to play fake.
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The QB coach.
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I'm confident
That Martz calling the play could turn Rolando into a top pass rusher. Either way, it would be a boon for all the defenses in the AFC west.
Norv’s number 1 talent is as a playcaller. I don’t see why we would ever want him to hand that duty off to anyone, especially a guy like Martz.
Norv’s number 1 talent is as a playcaller.....
with the exceptions of the 4th and 1 draw play to sproles up the middle against a Raven’s defense with Ray Lewis in the middle right?
Lol.
1) That wasn’t a draw, it was a straight handoff
2) Norv’s talent as a playcaller is what allowed the game to be close in the first place
3) Find me coach who has ever had a single playcall not work. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
by CABurrito on Jan 11, 2012 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Also that play didn't work because the back up center completely missed his block.
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by Richard Wade on Jan 11, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Brian Schottenheimer is available
I think it was just announced today.
And while we're on the subject
Marty looks like he’s looking for a head coaching position in the NFL again and Tampa Bay is looking to interview him.
I thought Tampa interviewed Brian, not Marty.
by Its Mikey!! on Jan 11, 2012 3:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
No it was Marty
and from what I hear he (marty) is the favorite, thus far.
So here is the story line.
Brian joins the Chargers.
- Side note discussion: Jets offense is similar to the Chargers I think (someone would
have to tell me if this is true or not; I’m just trying to remember the play calling from their
games ) plus you have to remember Sanchez was trying to execute that offense;
PR17 would be a significant improvement at the QB position for Brian’s offense as
opposed to Sanchez
Marty takes the coaching job in Tampa
* Side note discussion: Brian has no interest in going to Tampa Bay with his father, if
his father gets the HC position. He wants to make his own name.
Marty’s 1st year gets the Bucs into the playoffs but they lose their 1st game (as expected right?)
* Side note discussion: The Bucs have talent (young) on that squad so Marty isn’t walking
into a rebuilding situation
Norv/AJ fail to get us into the playoff ONCE AGAIN because we fail to address our suffering defense. As a result we suffer another 7-9 season and watch the Denver Tebow’s win the division again and represent the division in the playoffs. Spanos says enough is enough and fires them both and brings Brian Schott on as the Headcoach.
Brians first year HC is a huge success and San Diego has the best record in football at 14-2 – ironically the same record his father had when he was fired.
Marty’s Buccaneers have similar results and also manage a 14-2 season.
Marty makes whens his first playoff game ever in his 2nd year as HC for the Buccaneers. But not only that he takes them to the SUPERBOWL!
But Brian, not to be out done by his father, also takes the Chargers to the SUPERBOWL!
An all Schottenheimer Superbowl (SS – Bowl).
Chargers win! Chargers win! Chargers Win!
I hope for whatever reason Shelmons Health is okay.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
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