Defensive Analysis: Chiefs at Chargers
5 Consecutive 3 and outs. Cinco. The Chiefs couldn't get a first down all first half last Sunday. Not. One. This is the Charger defense everyone expected to see all game. Unfortunately, adjustments and 2 critical penalties gave the Chiefs an offense in the second half. While Philip Rivers was trying to give the Chiefs a chance in the first half with 2 picks, bad special teams play at the start of the 3rd quarter and a near 10 minute drive from the middle of the 3rd quarter to the 4th gave the Chiefs a chance to make a game out of this match. At the beginning of the 4th quarter, Cassel had only thrown 13 passes, completing 11 for 62 yards. It took a goofy pass from Matt Cassel to Eric Weddle to seal the game, and 15 point favorites never even had a 15 point lead.
First, some interesting stats:
- 24 Net first half yards
- Longest first half play of any kind allowed: 4 yards
- Beautiful 67° game-time weather.
- Despite just 18 yards on 7 throws, Cassel had a better QB rating than Rivers. (Halftime)
Here's the final grading for the game, first half then second half:
| Player | |||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 51 | 52 | 54 | 56 | 58 | 71 | 74 | 76 | 91 | 92 | 95 | 98 | 99 | |
| Run Average | .63 | na | na | 1.33 | na | .67 | 1.13 | na | .50 | .60 | 1.0 | na | .25 |
| Pass Average | 1.0 | na | na | 1.0 | na | .50 | .60 | .50 | 0 | .17 | .30 | .88 | 0 |
| Player | |||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 51 | 52 | 54 | 56 | 58 | 71 | 74 | 76 | 91 | 92 | 95 | 98 | 99 | |
| Run Average | .30 | .17 | .50 | .50 | .50 | .21 | 1.00 | .80 | .67 | .67 | 1.13 | na | .60 |
| Pass Average | 0 | 1.00 | na | 1.00 | na | .64 | 1.5 | 1.0 | .25 | .61 | .50 | .63 | 1.0 |
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A few interesting items: Antonio Garay struggled a lot this game, and it might have to do with playing a few more snaps than he's used to, and certainly because of the loss of Luis Castillo, and other injuries to the line. However, the other players stepped up, especially Cam Thomas, Jacques Cesaire and Donald Butler, who were amazing in the first half, if you look at their scores. I don't know what got into Jacques, but he was fantastic when he was in. A regular run stopping beast. He consistently powered his way around the line of scrimmage, and closed lanes and holes where the runningbacks wanted to get to. If he's capable of this every week, I'd love to see it.
To start the second half, either the Kansas City offensive line improved, or fatigue began to hurt the Charger front 7. Almost everyone's grades were lower, and the Chiefs were practically playing Martyball all game, running on almost every single first down. Stephen Cooper and Na'il Diggs actually got some reps, though they weren't involved too much. They performed fine when they did need to make a stop. This leaves a positive note on linebacker depth should the 3-4 have to change into a 2-5 because of injury sometime in the next 10 weeks.
I'm still very impressed by Donald Butler. Enough that he gets this week's Defensive player of the game award. Great in coverage and blitzing, and even though he slowed down against the run in the second half, the first half was excellent. I'm very excited about Donald Butler. If he stays on his current pace, he'll develop the same way Patrick Willis did under Takeo Spikes. Speaking of Spikes, I still don't trust him much in coverage, but he's a big upgrade over Cooper in the run game and he's even better in pass coverage, though that's not saying much. With Kevin Burnett and Brandon Siler gone, I suspect some youth will be brought in to learn under the current veterans next season and that could make the Chargers have a great defense in the middle of the field. Tight end coverage needs to improve, yes, but the 3-4 usually relys on safeties for man coverage and the ILB's in zone.
Not having Bob Sanders made a noticable difference in this game. He's faster and more capable than Steve Gregory, and would have come up with a pick and a TFL if he had been playing. He should play next week and maybe we'll see him play against KC the second time (it's only 5 weeks away) and take advantage where Gregory couldn't. The loss of Luis Castillo continues to hurt the pass rush and run defense, but thanks to Takeo Spikes playing behind where Castillo would be, he's helped make up for his loss. Shaun Phillips and Antonio Garay are clearly struggling on some plays because they were beneficiaries of Castillo's play, but I don't think that loss will hurt until the Bolts face some elite teams later on, like the Jets, Packers and Bears(?). By then, Manusky may have found ways to work around his absence and we'll see new looks and playcalls.
Thanks to Orz for setting up the Video. Rec if you think he's awesome.
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Castillo
What continues to amaze, is how no one outside you and the players who actually play the game realize the exceptional value Castillo adds to the Charger defense. GWSC, for sure.
by dashen87 on Sep 28, 2011 8:16 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Takeo Spikes is going to be on Jim Rome hour 3 today. I’ll post a fanshot to the podcast later today.
I forgot to credit you
sorry. Added it in.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Please explain this about Castillo's greatness? And how does the author downplay the accomplishments of a D lineman with 5 tackles?
The stats do not back up your positive opinion of Castillo. Trust me, teams do not game plan for Castillo, Garay, yes. Even though he is paid like one, Castillo is not an impact player. Castillo has 27 tackles going back the last 16 and a half games he’s played. That 1. whatever per game. Vaughn Martin already has 10 tackles in 2 and a half games, not to mention has an additional 25 lbs more muscle than Castillo. Martin is still learning technique, gap assignments, angles, etc. Yet Martin is getting twice the tackles and more push than Castillo.
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, then you will be fired with enthusiasm. Vince Lombardi
The 3-4 is based on the Linemen being able to eat up blockers to free up the linebackers
it all starts with the NT. If you have a NT that demands a double team, that leaves 3 blockers for the other 2 DLinemen. When you have a DE like Castillo that demands a double team, that leaves the other DE one-on-one, and the rushing OLB’s matched up against a TE or RB, which is a mismatch 9 times out of 10.
In a 3-4, you don’t measure the success of a DE by tackles or sacks like you would a DE in a 4-3. Castillo consistently demanded double teams, which made Garay better, and the other DE position better. An elite DE will be able to occupy those blockers and still occasionally beat them and rack up stats like sacks and TFL. A solid DE will occupy those blockers and make his teammates around him better, and occasionally take advantage of one-on-one blocking…that statement fits Castillo perfectly. Is there a reason that Garay doesn’t look nearly as good without Castillo on the field? Time will tell.
Trust me, teams do not game plan for Castillo, Garay, yes.
Not sure what privileged information you have but I highly doubt that is an accurate statement.
by jkvandal on Sep 28, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Thanx John
I’m eatin my lunch, and was a quarter of the way through a response….
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks a lot
Now I sound redundant.
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by Lmbs2slaghtr on Sep 28, 2011 10:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmm
To prove either your view (Castillo sucks) or Super’s view (Castillo I the best thing since sliced bread) I think you need to look at the defensive front seven as a whole. Has the TEAM improved in pass rush and run stops when Martin is in instead of Castillo or has there been a dip in production? You can’t just look at the individual swap between Martin and Castillo.
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by Lmbs2slaghtr on Sep 28, 2011 10:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I try to tell people Castillo is very good
not a top 3 DE maybe, but top 10 definitely.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Darrelle Revis had no interceptions last season
Nnamdi Asomugha only has like 8 his whole career. So by your logic, they suck. Just like Castillo.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Also, look back at every charger game you can.
how many screens are run to the right (Castillo’s side?) very very few. Because good teams review film. Good teams realize how smart Castillo is and how well he reads screens and blows them up. Also, it’s hard to register tackles when you take on 2 blockers so that your teammates can have a free shot at the ballcarrier. Martin gets lots of tackles because he gets tested a lot.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
or
good teams watch film and realize that Castillo can’t get a pass rush even when they are fake blocking him, so don’t run a screen to his side because he can’t get up field enough to make is successfull.
but seriously, I haven’t seen a real significant drop in the DL play since castillo has been out. I’ve been happy with Castillo’s play through the years, but calling him a top 10 DE is crazy talk.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 28, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Watch them more carefully.
He’ll get push, recognize the screen, then drop back and trail the RB before anything happens. when he’s single blocked, he gets plenty of push. Watch him when he’s single blocked on run plays. When it’s to his gap, he gets past the lineman for a stop.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What about sacks?
Castillo averaged a little under a sack every 5 games last year.
A real top heavy [fiscally and physically] force. If the captain of this ship says Sproles is vastly overrated considering the salary he is receiving than what would his take on Castillo be? Adoring? I throw the Hippocratic penalty flag if such is the case.
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Hard to get sacks when you draw double teams and triple teams
to help Shaun Phillips and Antwan Barnes get those sacks.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Triple teams?
I need to see a video of that.
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by Lmbs2slaghtr on Sep 28, 2011 10:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
see my defensive analysis post from Minnessota.
the first clip is him taking on a triple team and letting Shaun Phillips get to McNabb
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the epic clip
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by Lmbs2slaghtr on Sep 28, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember the play well
It was pretty badass.
I've been rewatching it
And no way that was planned by the line.
The C ought to have picked on Philips, but because of the stunt, he must have not seen him. I was going to say that he made a mental mistake, but I stopped midway.
I just realized it was all Castillo…. He bull rushed so effectively that it made the Center have to help the R. Guard. He just prayed the R. Tackle would block Philips, unfortunatly, the playcall was a stunt. The only one left to block Phillips was the RB who was running his route through the middle and properly ignores him (or gives a slight bump).
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 28, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
That's how Phillips has gotten half his sacks the last 4 years
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 29, 2011 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions
How do you think Antonio Garay got 5.5 sacks last season?
Because offenses were focused on double-teaming Castillo
by jkvandal on Sep 28, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
See my post above
you don’t measure the success of a 3-4 DE through tackles and sacks.
I don’t think anyone is making the case that Castillo is an elite DE…I think Superduperboltman is saying that the defense is clearly better with him, and would find you hard-pressed to argue that statement. Are there better options? Yeah probably, not on this roster. Cullen Jenkins and Haloti Ngata are going to cost a substantial amount more than Castillo.
by jkvandal on Sep 28, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haloti plays NT
and thanks to the way they play defense, he gets more chances at attacking.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Last year, yes
I heard somewhere this year that Cody took over at NT and they moved Ngata to DE (and he’s listed on NFL.com at DE)
Baltimore Depth Chart lists Cody at NT, Ngata at DT, and Redding at DE…
That's scary...
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
he's played DE for most of his career
Kelly Gregg was the starting NT.
But in Baltimore's hybrid and variable fronts,
Ngata lines up at NT as well. He really plays all over the line. 0,1,3 and even 5 tech.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I've had this discussion a few times
It always seemed like a flip of the coin whether Gregg or Ngata would get named the NT on the starting offense. I’m guessing that has something to do with how the Ravens switch up their looks on defense. With Ngata’s size I think it’s safe to say that he ends up being the one that does the damage and space eating that you’d expect of the tradition nose tackle.
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Oh right
Fat ass Terrence Cody. For some reason he wasn’t the first Cody to come to mind.
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confusion of position
BAL bigs line up on the 2 or 3 tech, that’s why they have Ngata posted in 2 positions. Castillo is a 4 or a 5 tech responsible for gaps not penatration. 2 very different roles. When Castillo was asked to penatrate with JWall he did. Now his responsibilty is to hold gaps for Garay, Spikes and Phillips. Why do people not understand this. Castillo is one of the best 4/5 tech DEs in the leauge. That’s why he got paid and probably will again.
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by traceSD on Sep 28, 2011 12:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you remember Jamal Williams?
do you think he sucked? Because he only averaged one sack per season.
and do you know why? Because he was double teamed. Guess how many sacks Castillo had while Jamal was busy taking on doubles? 7.5
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is this a knock on the American Health Care System?
by BORTZ on Sep 28, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 28, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess my point is
please stop saying, “Because Castillo is Out blah blah blah” or " If we only had Castillo".
But, i really thank you for the time and and well presented article Super. I was looking forward to this one.
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Wow!
Not having Bob Sanders made a noticable difference in this game. He’s faster and more capable than Steve Gregory, and would have come up with a pick and a TFL if he had been playing.
He would have? Then why in the hell wasn’t he playing?
he was injured.
bad knee. Should be back next week.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
In Gregory's defense
he did put on some nice hits
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by Lmbs2slaghtr on Sep 28, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
yes.
but it was assuming Sanders would act the same way as Gregory during the play.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Tom Gower of Football Outsiders agreed to this statement
You can read his comments here. Scroll down to the Chargers game.
by Jobumoplata on Sep 28, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
He mentioned the pick, just as I did, but not the TFL.
maybe because picks are more important.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
"he'll develop the same way Patrick Willis did under Takeo Spikes"
This was a comment made about Donald Butler.
I don’t get that at all. Patrick Willis was an absolute stud and a playmaker the moment he came into the NFL. Spikes came in after Willis was already making plays all over the football field and outplaying the rest of the 49ers defense. It’s why a lot of people had thought that Spikes’ resurgence was because he had Willis next to him and didn’t need to do as much.
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I wasn't trying to say he'll become a Patrick Willis,
just develop like him. As good as Willis was his rookie year, he wasn’t great at playaction and was still inconsistent in coverage. Butler could improve in a similar way. Maybe I could have reworded that…. sorry Wonko
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
dont apologize for not writing a disclaimer
remember this guy will argue with this own family about which way the tp should come off the role
Winning
JK- No one seems to appreciate Castillo because he’s not fancy. Teams actually do game plan for Castillo by doubling him. The Fans of the Chargers are always so down on Castillo, but not having him so far has shown the value he brings to this Defense. We don’t have a pass rush because teams are now focusing on taking out Garay and Phillips by singling up with our DE’s. I hope Liuget gets back in the line up and Martin improves with each game. Not having Castillo against the Raiders, Jets, GB and teams like them will hurt us.
Physically, Martin is solid
it’s his technique and knowledge of the game that needs to improve.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
'injury'
and just splitting time with Travis LaBoy.
they’re both super inconsistent.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 28, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
How much hope are you holding out for English at the moment?
And LaBay looks like he’s been close to making a few more big plays (that penalty of his v KC was very frustrating).
queen of the rec fairies
although it broke our hearts it did not break our will the herd
He looks like a career back up at this point.
if he can perfect that explosive first step, and stay healthy, he’ll do what Barnes does now, just that English has a bit more strength than Barnes, so he could potentially be better. It’s the health and technique that must improve.
LaBoy is just a stop gap until the next OLB gets drafted and built up.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 29, 2011 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to say
Since you started doing this last year, I have been looking foward to see the D-line even more than the Offense. I still don’t get an as good picture of how has the O-line fared in the game by Bewsaf’s metrics as I do of D-line play. Then again, I only have to keep track of 3 – 5 people at a time, depending how many get close to the ball.

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