San Diego Chargers Lose to New England Patriots 35-21
I don't know about you, but I'm getting pretty tired of watching the same San Diego Chargers re-run over and over again. The team stinks in the first half and digs themselves too deep of a hole to get out of against a good team in the second half. The team turns the ball over and creates no turnovers. The team is completely and totally outcoached in all facets of the game.
The Patriots game plan seemed simple enough. Throw short, safe passes and attack the middle of the field (where Takeo Spikes and Donald Butler struggled with zone coverage) on offense. On defense, the Patriots took Antonio Gates out of the equation. Once they had a lead, and had removed the Chargers bets weapon (especially on 3rd downs and in the Red Zone), all they had to do was wait for the Chargers to shoot themselves in the foot.
This loss lays at the feet of more than a few people. Philip Rivers had a terrible game, throwing some really bad balls and occasionally missing wide open receivers. Mike Tolbert made one of the dumbest plays I've ever seen, running backwards once he was handed the ball, then tripping over Nick Hardwick and fumbling at a critical time in the game. Malcom Floyd and Patrick Crayton did that thing where they take up roster spots but never seem healthy enough to be effective.
The defensive side wasn't much better. Travis LaBoy can't rush the passer, and Greg Manusky seemed to try and counter-balance that by not sending any pressure at Tom Brady except for 3 defensive linemen (against 5-6 blockers). Takeo Spikes seemed to miss 50 tackles. Bob Sanders and Eric Weddle can't cover TEs.
The list goes on an on. Here are the facts. The Chargers are still in first place in the AFC West, tied with the Raiders, and lost to a team that many believe to be the best in the league. Tom Brady now has 29 consecutive home regular-season wins. This was not a game anyone expected to win, and there were no surprises. The only disappointment was that the Bolts didn't really get beat by the Patriots nearly as badly as they beat themselves.
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4 turnovers.
just like last year.
and don’t forget that Castillo is out, his presence is huge, and the pass rush suffered because of it.
and LaBoy wasn’t as bad as you think.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 18, 2011 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
in the end
it proves what we as Chargers fans have been screaming about for at least the past 3 years. Our Coaching is piss pour… We left at least 9 points off the board due to poor play calling or not simply just taking the points to tie up the game early. Further we called a soft zone at the end of the 3nd quarter to give 3 points up by my math that is 12 points. in a big game you can’t spot a team like the Patriots shit.
This might be my favorite typo ever: piss pour.
Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Sep 19, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
so much talent
but so dumb sometimes. its confusing that the same things happen year after year. im a huge weddle guy but he had an awful game.
sanders hasnt shown anything.
i felt like we we were back in the cotrell days with the bend but eventually break defense.
blah.
Dolts are definitely going to be Tolbert and Weddle
I can’t believe they kept running with Tolbert with the way that Mathews was gaining 5+ every attempt.
Weddle looked utterly lost. He just had no idea today.
by Alex Bourque on Sep 18, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Tolbert for sure
Weddle didn’t seem any worse than the rest of the D.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I just remember one crossing route specifically, where Ochicinco...
Made the catch 5 yards behind weddle and weddle just kept running the wrong way, the ball was in the air for about a second and weddle didn’t even slow down…
The defense had a rough day…you’d think after 20 underneath throws they’d put a few more guys in the flats and short zones….
by Alex Bourque on Sep 19, 2011 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions
also
Tolbert was terrible. Just awful. He made a few good plays in the passing game, but 9 rushes for 10 yards and a fumble? Mathews, on the other hand, looked great.
Vincent Jackson is the ultimate beast
theclippership.tumblr.com
by losbolts on Sep 18, 2011 4:37 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
TUESDAY
WE have until Tuesday to sign Jackson long term… PLEASE GOD MAKE THIS HAPPEN
Why Tuesday?
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I bleieve it is the last day you can sign
ur franchise player to a long term deal.
Will we need to cut people to get enough money to pay Jackson?
How would that work? Would we be getting practice squad guys to fill the roster if so?
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
He played like he knew that.
It's NEVER a shrimp on the barbie. It's not even a shrimp.
by The Land Of Real Beer on Sep 19, 2011 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah. Thanks.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
yeah that's what I was thinking
or … more like I heard it on ESPN this morning selective memory.
I'm not gonna call for anyone's head
But where was all that fire that we were told was there with manusky and biscaccia(sp?) It should be filtering to the other coaches. I think that the coaches lost this one. RM24 was hot, but tolbert was getting the touches. Only rushing 3 while sitting in a soft zone – then not tackling after 15 yards. It’s frustrating because the chargers have the ability to completely take command if a game. That is, against everyone but NE.
If I agreed with you, we would both be wrong
by Diesel85 on Sep 18, 2011 4:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'll do it....and call for Norv's head
he inspires nobody
he has no fire
this team mumbles and bumbles just like Norv
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
by Hormel on Sep 18, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alright, kids
Yakety Sax: Making divisional matchups hilarious since 1963.
Gaslamp Ball: SMELLS LIKE PROSPECTS IN HERE
by StrangeBroP25 on Sep 18, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I... don't know
GB HC was also getting the calls to be fired by the end of regular season…. I don’t know when it will be too soon or too late.
Meanwhile, Manusky did nothing to show he should be our HC.
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
actually it doesn't matter
ownership and AJ love Norv
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
exactly
Like an article the other days said, insted of getting tough and saying we looked like garbage out there today, norv says, well I saw some good things to build on. Sounds just like mike reilly to me. Pollyanna. Yeah, we lost today, but it sure was a beautiful day. We may or may not manage to win the division. But, we will get beat by the first team we play in the playoffs. (assuming we even get there)
It was a fun game thread
It’s good to have people with whom you can share your frustration and nagging. Also keeps you doing that with your family, friends and gf.
Well said, John.
Homers “expected” to win this game. Fans “hoped” to win this game. Hope we get a report on Gates’ injury soon and that it’s not serious.
uhhh
we have known Gates injury for a while … plantar… nothing new.
some weeks he will be good
others he will be down.
i think he meant floydd's
"I promise you, we’re going to build a dictating, dominating, attacking defense. I’ve said it a million times. It’s not a slight on our offense, but we’re not going to win any world championship until we have that." - A.J. Smith
Actually, I did mean Gates
and according to this it’s not the plantar fasciitis this time. It’s an ankle and might not be good for the near term, according to Kevin Acee.
http://twitter.com/#!/sdutChargers/status/27672405210
That said, I’m equally concerned about Floyd and Gates. We need both to go far this year, though I’m fairly certain that we can get past KC with the practice squad.
That Tolbert fumble was a whole new level of stupid.
Congrats!
by Dalton on Sep 18, 2011 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I Agree TOTALLY!!!!
Put your head down and get at least 3 or 4 yards!! Stop trying to be Barry Sanders!!!
Not sure it was
The stupidity in this team has many layers and run deep at the start of the season. Objectively speaking, it might have been typical. Also he fumbled 7 times last year? That helped us lose 2 games at least
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Riddle me this
Why was Tolbert in the game when the Bolts were only down 7 points after the Pats failed on their 4th and 4 and there was plenty of time left in the game? Mathews had been having success all day in the running game and Tolbert had all of 10 yards on 9 attempts at the time…we spent a first round pick on a player so he could sit on the bench in the most crucial part of the game, why? Don’t give me the “fumble prone” argument, Tolbert is just as prone to fumble the ball, as he proved.
I have been making this point since last season. Mathews was a beast all game today and Tolbert was hardly having any success in the running game…RIVERS FINISHED WITH MORE RUSHING YARDS!
Turner said in the post game press conference, "That's just what they want me to do! NYAH!"

Yakety Sax: Making divisional matchups hilarious since 1963.
Gaslamp Ball: SMELLS LIKE PROSPECTS IN HERE
by StrangeBroP25 on Sep 18, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
What's sad is...
Norv inexplicably getting away from what works has become predictable.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Norv doesn't and won't make a real-time adjustment like that
In his mind Tolbert is the one who has proven himself as the reliable back to play when inside the opponent’s 35. Mathews hasn’t. I’m sure he thought Tolbert’s off day to that point was a fluke and expected him to break one. Norv will only change preconceived player responsibilities when down 21 half way through the 4th, or when the game is over.
#feelinacertaintypeofway
by sd_Baby-B on Sep 18, 2011 6:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know what Manusky was thinking in the first half
But I’m guessing it was something like, “Zone defense is safer against the no-huddle offense, so we’ll just keep doing that”. Didn’t work, because SD isn’t a Zone team. Cason and Jammer are best at hitting a guy at the line and sticking to him. Even against the ‘scary Patriots’, you have to play to your strengths and not be afraid of the other team. Rushing a banged-up 3 man DL and playing zone to hopefully avoid big plays is not a strength; it’s a surrender.
On offense, Rivers just seems off right now. Don’t know what’s wrong with him. Nervous about pressure? There wasn’t that much and he seemed to do better when there was, so it doesn’t add up. Gates is clearly hurting as he couldn’t beat even single coverage. I’m about done with Tolbert getting the call at RB, even before the fumble. He just isn’t that good behind the line. He occasionally breaks a run if he has a huge hole. Meanwhile Mathews showed what he can do if given the chance. At least Jackson showed up, but he and Mathews just couldn’t do everything.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I'm thinking
The he started Brady for his fantasy team and thus didn’t want to risk rushing more than 3 guys most of the time.
The chargers are the antithesis of tough
by nicklusk on Sep 18, 2011 4:46 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'm not sure that's fair
Tough game against a tough team on the road, and they were in it till the end. It would have been easy to roll over at halftime, but they fought back to have an opportunity.
Its not toughness they lack. Its something else. Consistency, perhaps.
Pats's fan here..
..Great game guys, great team..
We where lucky Floyd went down(Hope he is alright). See you in the playoffs..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
if we keep turning the ball over every quarter, no playoffs for us.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 18, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
The Chargers will be fine....
..You guys have a great team.
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
In the playoffs....
…Trust me. Been a tough couple years..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Look at the scoreboard..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
by JDot on Sep 18, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
don't come on the chargers board
and complain about playoff losses… you have 3 championships in the past what 10 years… try 30 some odd with 0
Fair enough. Sorry..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
I like when people come from other boards
Brings a different insight to the table. That said, I think it really hurts to be named “the best team ever in the history of the NFL” by the media and get beaten in the playoffs every year.
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I see what you did there...
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Just saying I feel your pain
And I see the point you’re making. Not pulling your leg here.
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
All good man..
..You guys have a great team. I want Tommy to win the SB every year.
But know this, the minute Rivers wins the SB. He is there with Brady and Manning in the media..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Funny stuff
I found a 2005/2006 Football outsiders article about how Payton Manning played badly in the offseason and was always the bridesmaid and never the bride.
Payton Manning was Philip Rivers before he became Payton Manning. He was the guy who wasn’t Tom Brady before he started being called the best QB to ever play the game.
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
u seem nice for a pats fan.
congrats on a win… but please understand as a life long Charger fan.. I would trade anything for a championship just 1.. so whenever a team who has been there and won… well you have nothing to complain about.. and at the end of the year when San Diego losses the Chargers it will be a dark day.
Cool, no problems..
..Just saying your team looked real good.
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Yes, Floyd got injured...
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Not as bad as last year tho...
..Brady was on today, when he is on he is on. Rivers was good too. But when flyod went down. We just sat back. And VJAX still balled..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
objectively
what do u think belichick would do with a team like this.?? would we be the dynasty?
Beli is all about the situations..
..The guy is the best. We are very lucky as pat’s fans. Brady helps too.
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
*Bill
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
*BELI..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Better yet
Have Norv draft Tom Brady and imagine what would happen. Hmm, ok bad example maybe. But put this solid-not-yet-great Pats in our shoes. Let’s think what happens with them if THEY had 4 turnovers inside the 30 yds against the Chargers.
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Tom Brady would, at best, be in Philip Rivers' predicament under Norv.
Norv would absolutely waste Brady’s talent like he’s wasting Rivers’ talent.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
dont say that norvs the best coach ever in Chargers history
saying otherwise or wishing for better coaching is likened to worshiping the devil and being a pedophile around here
Looked good at times...
Other times looked like a high school team. Running backwards and fumbling?? Brady was his awesome self as usual though. If we can get rid of the turnovers a Pats Chargers playoff game is quite feasible.
Easy now
He’s not being a jerk. Just commiserating. Chill.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
cmon guys
hes just trying to be nice and say we have a good team. its a nice thing to do. get over yourselves.
Thanks Jdot, appreciate it. you have a fine team.
think he is pretty good
everyone softened up their comments. end of story.
speaking of turnovers...
is anyone on our D capable of creating one?
I was gonna complain about that
But then I remembered it was Jammer. I’ve grown to accept that from him.
by CABurrito on Sep 18, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I rather he make a lot of incompletions happen consistently
He’s so good at it, I don’t mind him not getting interceptions.
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw Manusky way too calm considering our 'No.1 D' was getting beat like a prison snitch.
Sometimes I believe I could be a better play caller, expecially on defense. I was shouting “MAN MAN MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!” The entire first half, cause of that weak zone crap.
I am the anti-analyst.
I'm sure I'm not the only one to think this
But Tolbert is not a great runner. He’s a great pass catcher, but he’s not a great running back. Too slow to bounce outside, not enough acceleration to hit the hole with force, can’t hurdle to get a tough yard. And he fumbles just as much as Mathews.
This isn’t a knee jerk reaction, this has been true for as long as we have had the guy.
I hope Todman can get up to speed fast
Then we could maintain a two back rotation
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
todman won't play
tolbert will still get his carries I’m sure they’ll focus on fundamentals during the week….its predictable
Agreed,
Forgot to mention that in my comment. But I’m still in favor of a two back system, though it looks like Tolbert is not fit for N°2. Too bad his run blocking technique is not as good as Hester’s.
Sometimes I think Tolbert’s success running the ball made Hester be really under appreciated by the fans.
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I favor a two back system too, and think Tolbert could be the guy for that
but when the game is on the line and your star RB has been having success all day against your opponent, why isn’t that star RB in the game?
by jkvandal on Sep 18, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno
It sounds like a good idea to have the slower guy try to run to the outside.
I'm glad you see that Norv is getting out coached...
But he’s the winningest coach in our history,and this loss does not tell his true capabilities as a HC…if you can’t tell I’m being sarcastic,Norvana was predictable and non enthusiastic as usual…while “Beli-cheat” had a solution for EVERYTHING we threw at him and his team…Rivers looked worried all game like he was unsure of himself which I hope he can overcome and I’m thinking 6 years 80 million 25 million gtd. for Jackson…yeah that’s about it for now I’m drunk so idgaf,yell at me if you want fuck it!!
by Gorditoe1 on Sep 18, 2011 4:56 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
ok its time
to go into every game thinking we lose and come out pleasantly surprised if we win… Reallys helps with the frustration.
I know I know
We do look like Underdogs coming into some games. But we can’t help it. We look so good sometimes and get so close to being great DURING those games… that we can’t believe we had an unfavorable situation at the beggining. Maybe that’s a bit spoiled, to me it seems this team might as well be 16-0 one of these days if we don’t screw it up.
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Chin up Bolts fans.
Look who is on the schedule next week.
by craig in calgary on Sep 18, 2011 5:07 PM PDT reply actions
Conclusions ?
Well maybe not just yet , what a sh!tburger of a game we served up today . I don’t expect the best effort of the season to be on the road week 2 but what’s with the gift bags every time we play NE ? 4 turnovers , again , and of course an historic first included ( the fattest human ever credited with a INT ) . Thank guys ! A norvulous effort !
Yeah...
I think we all need to put things into perspective.. I mean who is the 2nd best team in the AFC??? Honestly, the Bills? The Ravens lost to the Titans.
texans and the bills
Are the only other 2-0 teams.
And Jets.
Of course to their fanbase, they are the complete favorites for the Superbowl.
by PieEyedPiper on Sep 18, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Too many turnovers
Sanchez needs to protect the ball and they could have a good chance…until he becomes a game manager and stops throwing picks, they won’t get over the top.
Anyone else notice Joe McKnight had just as many carries (and more success) as LT?
Richard will have fun writing that 2 min of hate
If it were me we might as well change the name to 2 hours of hate.
Hey, can we do a “2 hours of hate with the San Diego Chargers” post? Just read some comments and you’re gtg
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd put Houston up there
and Pitt seemed to recover well from the terrible Week 1…if you are implying it’s the Bolts then I think you are making a mistake…to many unanswered questions about this team.
Schedule wise
ummm.. I have to say we do have an advantage over most in the next 3 weeks.
Gotcha
thought you asked who the 2nd best team in the AFC is…not who has the best schedule over the next 3 weeks.
I might be willing to say the Bolts could make a good run at that title, but honestly they just don’t play smart football. They have the talent, but always find a way to make a mental error and screw it all up.
by jkvandal on Sep 18, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well
I am saying a little bit of both… the three teams that are 2-0 are texas, jets, and bills .. chargers head to head against each of those teams I believe at this point is a W…. yes we screw everything up.. and it all comes down to Norv… but it is hard to say that we are in any way not in talks to be a superior team in the AFC right now.
I think you are confusing the record after two games with overall quality of a team
New Orleans and Green Bay matched up week one, someone had to lose.
Same with Pittsburgh and Baltimore…some teams had tougher games in their first two matchups than others. The same argument that you are using to say that the Chargers are the number two team in the AFC can and should be applied to other teams to make a fair argument
bla..
okay if I just say we are a top 5 team can this conversation be done. by the way Baltimore… sucks that loss to the Titans was pathetic… and Pittsburgh have no O- line burger will not make it past 5 games. But whatever.
I'll agree with that
and sorry i know you were just trying to be an optimist…I just think this team has a lot to improve on before they even deserve to be discussed in the topic of 2nd best team in the AFC.
It needs to start with what was supposed to be the biggest strength, quarterback play. Rivers has been underwhelming in the first half of both games.
we know
as Chargers fans it is Norv’s play calling that is underwhelming… if we think in the first half of this game Tolbert not scoring from the 1 literally killed the team.. Chargers would have had the lead at the half if not been down by 4 at the worst…
he didnt miss a
1 yard run nor… a run where he fumbled.
I'm not even sure what you are arguing anymore
PR17 has been intercepted by DLinemen 2 weeks in a row, 2 weeks in a row he has thrown 2 INT’s…he has made bad decisions and the team has suffered.
There have also been bad play calls, but you know what coaches say, every play works on paper and it comes down to execution. If Hester doesn’t get riven into the backfield on the 4th and goal, Tolbert doesn’t get tripped up behind the line. If Tolbert just runs forward, he may not have fumbled. Many players are to blame, many coaches are to blame, and Rivers is not above reproach.
Rivers DID miss a 1 yard run
To be more precise he was one yard short on a run. But I’m just being annoying now.
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
If you want to be really annoying
Point out that PR had more rushing yards than Tolbert.
Hehehe
by Alex Bourque on Sep 19, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
tolbert shouldn't have been in
he’s too slow and dances too much for outside runs. I believe mathews scores on the goal line run and breaks a big gain by running to the right on the fumble (watch the replay, there a crap load of daylight).
by the way
ur talking about NFC teams NO and GB … same could be said about SD AND NE.
1 win against an elite team would speak volumes though
by Gorditoe1 on Sep 18, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
agree
but it was not like we got bowled over… this is a far better team than last year. However, if Jackson and floyd are hurt… we are back to the team that was on the field last year.. I look to TSPIKES to take over now show some pride out there
And Crayton
Don’t forget he’s Floyd Backup when he goes down too. At least Ajirotutu had experience playing 2nd WR, now we don’t know how good Goodman can be.
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Walters was out there more than goodman
by Lmbs2slaghtr on Sep 18, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Both made drops
doesn’t matter. I was scared of getting burned without a replacement for Floyd if he went down and we did.
I'm worried about wr depth
if only we could find a wr on the fa market who wasn’t character deficient
Being a diva doesn't make you great either
by Lmbs2slaghtr on Sep 18, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Should have
gotten jericho phillips old WR at STATE
still thinking we can manage a 3-1 start
already dreading the though of Cameron Wake matched up against Clary though.
Remember, SD traveled all the way across the country.
That never bodes well, if the game had been in SD, it could have been different.
Last year's game says otherwise.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Sep 18, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Excuses.
We looked like shit in San Diego against the Vikings. However, the Vikings are awful so they let us right back in the game.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
For God's sake, when will this team stop shooting themselves in the foot?
Every time we play the Patriots. Every. Time.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
The stop shooting themselves in the foot
When they either lose their gun licenses…or their feet.
by Alex Bourque on Sep 19, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
At least SD doesn't have Romo.....
Rivers is AWESOME!!! With a different coach, I think SD could be dangerous for 4 QTRs.
I just dont know anymore
I don’t know what’s the missing piece. Statistically speaking coaching changes don’t bring much better performance. We got better leadership and talent on some areas of D and that helped but didn’t solved things yet.
I don’t know what it will take to play smarter. How does other teams do it?
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Marty was alright.
He kept the team straight during the regular season, which is the major part of the battle! You gotta make the playoffs to win in them. I know his Playoff records stunk, but at least he got the team there. AJ gave him a raw deal IMO.
by PieEyedPiper on Sep 18, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but his teams make more mistakes than Marty's did.
Honestly, when AJ hired Norv, I remembered him in Oakland and Washington, and just figured him to be a Team Killer. The only thing that has saved him is the IMMENSE amount of talent the Chargers have. With a sound fundamental coach, the Chargers would be unstoppable.
by PieEyedPiper on Sep 18, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Marty got the Chiefs to 7 straight playoff appearances in the 90's.
Granted we never made the big show, but Marty also got Cleveland to back to back AFC championships, and also built the talent into the Chargers if I am not mistaken. I was really disappointed when the Chargers fired Marty after a 14-2 season. Not criticizing. He was just really quite a consistently winning coach. It is surprising however, with being in the playoffs more than 10 times, he never went to the SB
They are who we thought they were.
Actually he is working in the Canadian league.
I think he had enough of NFL coaching.
They are who we thought they were.
If he's working in an inferior league
Maybe the NFL had enough of him.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I think the biggest problem is that
They need a HC that will light a fire under them. Norv doesn’t exactly inspire confidence
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by Jonathan Holmes on Sep 19, 2011 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
"WHAT'D YOU GO BACK FOR?"
Just about sums it up for me.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Sep 18, 2011 5:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Is it time to grab out pitchforks
and demand that Norv be fired?
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http://twitter.com/#!/radio2012
by Jonathan Holmes on Sep 18, 2011 5:34 PM PDT reply actions
I would say YES.
But who replaces him? I can’t really think of a good assistant coach from another team that would definitely be an upgrade, but then again, I didn’t think Schwartz or Spags would be good HC’s either.
by PieEyedPiper on Sep 18, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yuck.
Both horribly overrated. Better off with an unknown, someone like Rob Ryan who can light a fire.
by PieEyedPiper on Sep 18, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
UHHH
How many championships do they have… yeah more than we have.. enough said.
Gruden won on Dungy's team.
And Cowher just has a mean chin.
by PieEyedPiper on Sep 18, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
no sir not him
also Spanos would not let that happen it would show the already shaken fanbase he has no confidence in the team or its potential to win
I have a bad feeling about putting someone called Ryan in charge of our team
But it’s really not based on anything that can be justified.
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I have been demanding Norv's firing for at least two years now.
In all honesty, I’m still pissed that he was chosen over Rex Ryan to begin with. Rex would have been the PERFECT coach for Rivers and this team.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
lol
we got what we got and we must deal but since we’re plaing the what if game….rexie as HC and Norv at oc would’ve been sick…also rex would’ve brought bart scott from last year over here
The vibe I keep picking up in the 5 years of him coaching the Chargers is that the team plays well despite Turner
Not because of him. Or maybe I’m not paying close enough attention.
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by Jonathan Holmes on Sep 19, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
No offense guys
But this was far from Norv’s worst game. Other than the 4th down call, we owned their D all day long. Rivers threw one dumb pick and another freak INT. It was Tolbert’s fumble that really killed us, and I don’t think Norv told him to do that.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Sep 18, 2011 5:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You are only grading Norv on playcalling
we all know he’s a great OC, the question lies in his abilities to prepare his players to start games on fire and to prevent mental mistakes: job description of a head coach.
Right, well the last guy kind of sucked at that too.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Sep 18, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say I wanted to fire Norv
I expected to lose this game.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Sep 18, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh and it's more on Manusky than on Norv
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Sep 18, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
But then again
I consider Rivieira’s first and second years as DC really subpar with the standards he set up with his last couple seasons. So I’ll be patient with Manusky.
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah i didn't mean you specifically
just the norv haters in general…same question I ask the fire AJ bandwagon riders
In a few years
Maybe we will look back and say we should have put riviera as our HC
by Lightning Hobo on Sep 18, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
To bad we can't demote norv to OC.
Then we can hire a motivational speaker as HC
by Lmbs2slaghtr on Sep 18, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
We could always bring in mike singltary as an asst HC to toughen up the squad lol
he only wants winners all others he can’t play or win with em just can’t do it
Tomorrow the sun will shine,
bacon will still be delicious, and there will still be 14 games to play before the playoffs.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 18, 2011 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
if i could rec via mobile i would
#feelinacertaintypeofway
by sd_Baby-B on Sep 18, 2011 6:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Tough loss today boys,
but as a Chiefs fan, I see you bouncing back in just about….7 days.
They are who we thought they were.
I'm not saying much
We lost the first couple of games 89-10. We have lost Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, and Tony Moeaki to injury. I like you to win the division this year.
They are who we thought they were.
My condolences
Good luck with Andrew Luck.
by Bluelightning on Sep 18, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
IT'S THIS SIMPLE
NORV DOES NOT HOLD HIS PLAYERS ACCOUNTABLE AND TO THE STANDARD OF CHAMPIONS, HE SETTLES FOR MEDIOCRITY. HE WILL LOSE TO BELLICHICK, TOMLIN, RYAN AND HARBAUGH 100% OF THE TIME. FIGURE IT OUT AJ.
Manusky out-coached
The turnovers are of course the obvious tipping point. However, Manusky clearly was out- coached. The Pats picked apart the defense the entire game. Luckily, the Chargers talent on offense kept them in the game. I am suspect about the defensive playing calling after seeing the first two games. The Bolts will end up .500 at best if they keep giving teams 1st half leads.
I didnt get to watch the entire game
did the D blitz brady that much?
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
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Nope
Lots of three-man rushes.
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Gaslamp Ball: SMELLS LIKE PROSPECTS IN HERE
by StrangeBroP25 on Sep 18, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Not so much that he was outcoached I think
Just that he stuck with a failed defensive plan for too long. When he finally made adjustments, he actually stopped the Pats a few times…he just kept going back to the failed plan of rushing 3 and dropping 8 and every time he did he got burned.
So okay, he got outcoached…except for when he tried to coach.
Every time something happened and he got comfortable or scared
He reverted to that failure of a scheme. I’m not comfortable with that being his base package. I think I’m beginning to understand what Niners fans were complaining about, with all the references to ‘prevent’ defenses.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
How many Ds can hold up when the O turns the ball over 4 times???
I was frustrated too by the ease with which Brady moved the Patties down the field in the first half, but the D stepped up in the second. Yeah, yeah, the zone d was overused and sending 3 against Brady is a bad idea, and the prevent D at the end of the first half was horrible, but as a new coach with 5 weeks to prepare his guys and missing Castillo – Manusky did ok.
I think you have some bad choices by O players (Rivers and Tolbert) that really hurt the team. Seemed like they were forcing things and trying to do too much.
bah bah bah bah
The Patriots are the team we were supposed to lose to and we did it to ourselves. Better in game 2 than 13 or 14. We could have won but we didn’t. The Chargers still look like world beaters and still look like a 3 or 4 loss team. Who do you want them to lose to? The sky is not falling. There are 20a other teams that would love to be us. Stop acting like flies and get off of Norv’s shit.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
by Mad_Villain on Sep 18, 2011 7:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 5 recs
Is there a player in the nfl
at any position with worse hands than Jammer? My money’s on No. I wonder how different the last couple yrs would be if he had even decent hands, like the wobbler against NE last yr that he dropped.
Jammer is an interesting choice to critique
I mean, there are a lot of guys you could complain about, but one of the more solid players on the team? Complain about Goodman dropping a couple. Complain about the DL not getting pressure. Hell, even complain, wrong as you would be, about Cason getting ‘beat’ in zone coverage. But Jammer? He had half a chance at a catch most WRs would be lucky to haul in and couldn’t do it, and otherwise did everything he was asked to do. Give me a break.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
He also only had one hand to grab it with.
The other hand was held back by the recievers arm.
by Lmbs2slaghtr on Sep 18, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Novak scary bad.
Btw, I am terrified of the the new kicker. Quite a drop off. I hope we dont have to depend on him to win any games. Yikes!!!
Anybody else scared that Manusky might be a joke?
Maybe it’s those ridiculous, Sparano tinted glasses he had on and crooked hat. Has he ever really led a legit D? Do NFC West stats really count when you’re a D coordinator?
What do you think?
Goes through Norv’s head when he shakes Bellichick/Tomlin/Harbaugh’s hand after a game? Do you think he realizes that those guys think he’s a clown?
My thoughts
I watched the game closely and feel that to call this a loss due to coaching is totally wrong.
Norv’s game plan, if not mis-excecuted by the offense, would have led to a win over the best team in the NFL. Stupid offensive mistakes made by Rivers and Tolbert led to turnovers and scores and changed what could have been a close win by the Chargers into a Pats blowout.
What is astounding to me is how the Patriots play nearly mistake-free football. The game was a dud for PR and, combined with last week, makes me wonder where his head’s at. Five kids and another on the way? His ability to play well and make good decisions on the fly is what this team is based on, and so far this year I have seen precious little to tell me that he is the same player we have seen in years past.
I think you need to evaluate it from this perspective
Many if not all the arguements about coaching tend to revolve around the expecations Norv sets forth. For instance I think it was blantantly obvious the Mathews had the hot hand yesterday… so why was Tolbert given more carriers in the red zone. In fact the one carry Mathews had in the redzone he waltz in for a TD.. Guys like Belichick have a motto… you produce or you sit. Do your job or someone else will step up to do it for you. Norvs game plan is.. well Tolbert was hot weak one we must give him 20 touches this game no matter what. It is all about adjustments in the NFL simply put Norv. does not do adjustments till the second half in the mean time the game is slipping through SD fingers.
I still think
that Norv’s gameplan would have worked if it were executed well. We can speculate about the inner workings of Norv’s mind all we want, whether he says the right things in news conferences or how he looks on the sidelines being all we have to go on. The fact remains that Norv’s gameplan was adequate to beat the best team in the NFL – that’s good enough for me.
guys...deep breath
It’s all part of the set up, Chargers D doesn’t want to show Patriots offense what they can do, wait until the playoffs and you’ll see lol. DUUUHH trying to make everybody else feel better, but really did you guys see how Norv was communicating with Greg, they were relaxed like they just got a BJ during halftime, or maybe they got high together, as I remember from last year Norv used to get pissed at Rivera at certain times, so overall we all know where the ceiling of this Chargers team is, all what we can hope for is Chargers to make the playoffs first and when they get there hopefully they over come their mistakes other than that for now…GO BOLTS. Oh I can’t wait for I believe ORZ analysis on Offense and Superduperboltman on Defense…they look closely at every play and they can maybe relate things that we can’t notice.
Welcome to my World John... for the past 4 years.
Good article. because you used your eyes instead of making up excuses for the Chargers, by throwing out numbers and stats. So before anyone else jumps on the Fire those guys bandwagon, let me offer some comforting words, every time i “gripe” about the team.
Don’t worry, it’s only game two. the Chargers are second half team and will rally with ten straight wins to get into the playoffs. things are going to be just fine.
peace out
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
We should have a Stat Free Week.
Because they are just cold comfort if you lose, and don’t win you the next game.
Being a Charger fan is accepting this, for the sake of your sanity and hairline: we start slow and occasionally implode. But who really didn’t have us 1 and 1 at this point? Frustrating yes, even surreal that we were still in it late in the game.
We need to remember that our glass is more than half full and I would rather have these guys than anybody else out there. Norv is nothing if not a great adjustor, and it’s better to have guys who can lift than take a step back. Beating ourselves is easier to correct than taking a pounding from someone too good for us, because the change and destiny is in our hands.
So,one day soon, when the stars align, and the football gods smile on us, we will streak into a SB and win it 48-3. I’m not exactly holding my breath, but I still love the ride.
It's NEVER a shrimp on the barbie. It's not even a shrimp.
by The Land Of Real Beer on Sep 19, 2011 2:07 AM PDT reply actions
some thoughts and side note
- this was a good showing against a good team.
Say what you want a bout the defense, they kept the game from getting out of hand in the first half and posted a scoreless 3rd quarter for the second week in a row. - I didn’t expect a victory, but if it weren’t for turn-overs, they would have won.
This is a young defense, both in terms of young players learning and in terms off the team getting use to munusky’s play calling. The Patriots scored 11 points off of turn-overs (18 if you could turn-over on downs), so this would have been 24-21 game other-wise. - The Chargers Offense simply got out played.
Everyone is to blame. From poor blocking on the right-side, to every wide-receiver/tight end (not named Vincent Jackson) being in effecting, to Tolbert not being Tolbert this week, and finally to Rivers making some critical mistakes. - If they should make any changes, it should be…
to the RT position, there is no one better out there right now, so we’re stuck. If you give Norv 15 years like Cower got, then he would get at least one ring too. Although I like Gruden, but he’s a west coast offense guy that we simply aren’t built for. - If they are going to replace Norv, it would be with Cameron or Phillips.
they are both guys AJ liked and they we’re both responsible for why this team is even being talked in this fashion.
side note
I hate Jim Nantz and Phil Simms. They are 2 of least professional commentators I have ever heard. When they are actually talking about the game, they aren’t half bad. But there in lies the problem, they only talk bout the game they are watching half the time. The other half they are whining about Chris Collinsworth or how many more ring Simms has then Bommer. I could mute just the commentator during a football game I would.
BOOM!
You hate Phil Simms?
Why? Theyway he says Williams? I mean “Weems.” Or Him. I mean “eem.” Or how he brought up this little-known gem: “The Patriots lead the league in…in…making it happen!”
Phil Simms, "the Patriots lead the league in making it making it happen"
Bortz funny point. i heard him say that yesterday as if there was actually some stat like that-id forgotten because i was so upset at what was going on but that was quite a “gem.”
and also
I think it is tolbert being tolbert. He can’t do a thing unless he has room to work. If there is no hole, he dances too much.
I blame that Baklah and Annie for encouraging him last week.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/video/?bcpid=33836215001&bckey=AQ~~,AAAAA5PNMME~,K3tOT-Puafv-ORP_JfYKdbwb_fQJLg10&bclid=46882334001&bctid=1156636650001
Someone please answer these questions for me-I have a limited football IQ
1) WTF was the idea of using 3 pass rushers against Tom Brady-Ive completely lost respect for Manusky. The beginning of the second half they changed there defensive attack-started pressuring Brady and it worked then once the momentum started changing they went back to rushing three men-Why?
2) Why do we continue to run the ball right up the middle when we don’t have a true power back? Why not run it left and right or to the outside? What is Hester for if not for 4th and goal?
3) Being a San Diego Charger fan is simply too painful-My week is ruined I cant watch sports center or read the newspaper for fear of being reminded of yesterday-I simply don’t have the capacity to change my allegiance to a different team and its detrimental to my sanity!
4) Finally-I’m going to commit the cardinal sin of being a Charger fan and question our beloved Phillip Rivers. Maybe if he was trying to double the worlds population on his own and prepared better this offseason we would be off to a better start-every interview with him he talks about the lockout giving him an opportunity to “spend time with the fam.” Spare me!
the up the middle runs aren't the problem
it’s who runs most of the up the middle plays. tolbert is good in open space, but can’t do crap in a crowd.
not feeding mathews the ball was inexplicable.
the once proud san diego chargers
Lance Allworth, John Hadl, all world Kellen Winslow, Dan Fouts, Air Coryell rest in peace.
in that draft when Eli dissed the Chargers and Phil came on board I liked Rivers and backed him as the better QB even though I was sad to see Brees go. I always liked the Chargers from their AFL days all the way to that monumental choke in the playoffs against my Patriots that finished with the dump on Meriman’s sack dance which was really dumb… the dumping and the dance. From that day on River’s has ruined every good thing about his game with that puss face cry baby persona of his. He may have the arm and stature of a champion but until this guy shuts his pie hole and stops crying he will continue to grimace his credibility away, IMO. I used to feel that way about Peyton Manning… always crying, complaining and throwing his team mates under a bus. Winning one did him a world of good and I’m sure it would be great for the San Diego faithful too. I wish it for you one day but not while our Tom Brady is healthy and kicking arse.

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