DUBNER: Tell me some of the pundits who whether by luck or brilliance and hard work turn out to be really, really good.

DAVENPORT: Sure. There are two guys from ESPN who are sort of far ahead of the field. One is Pat Yasinskas, and the other is John Clayton, who is pretty well known; he makes a lot of appearances on SportsCenter and he's kind of a, nebbish-y professorial type. And they perform much better than everyone else because they're excellent wild-card pickers. They're the only people who have correctly predicted both wild card teams in a conference in a season. But they're especially good because they actually play it much safer than everyone else.

DUBNER: Now you say that they are very good. Persuade me that they're good and not lucky.

DAVENPORT: I can't do that. ...