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Flashback: New England @ San Diego, October 24, 2010

I, for one, am glad that the Chargers managed not to choke away the game last weekend and came away 1-0. It means that the Chargers aren't staring 0-2 in the face heading across the country to play one of the best teams in football. That, of course, would be the New England Patriots. The Chargers' recent history against this team has not been good--since 2006, the Chargers are 1-4 against them, their only win coming in 2008 when Matt Cassel (you know, this guy) started at quarterback for them.

Last year, the two teams met in Week 7 in San Diego, and the result was one of the most frustrating game's I've yet witnessed. The Chargers were a disappointing 2-4, having lost two in a row, the last at St. Louis in a nightmare game that saw Philip Rivers get sacked 7 times. The team was under enormous pressure to find a way to win at home against a very good team. The Patriots, on the other hand, were still somewhat of a team in flux. They had recently released Randy Moss, and were still working out the kinks in their new offensive scheme. Despite this, New England was an excellent 5-1 coming off an exhilarating overtime win against a good Baltimore Ravens team.

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The Chargers began the game with massive injuries on offense. Vincent Jackson was unavailable due to holdout, both Malcom Floyd and Legedu Naanee were out with hamstring injuries, and Antonio Gates somehow managed to be active despite only having one good foot. San Diego's starting wide receivers for the game were Patrick Crayton and Craig Davis, with Richard Goodman as the #3. The game started innocently enough, with the two sides exchanging punts, and the Chargers scoring first with a FG by Kris Brown, who had been signed the previous week to replace an injured Nate Kaeding and was active for his first game.

The first of a cacphony of errors occurred with 4:29 left in the first quarter. Having been pinned deep in their own end, Rivers threw a dump-off pass on third and long to TE Kris Wilson. He was hit several yards short of the first down marker, and while in the process of being tackled lost control of the football. The Patriots picked it up, and a few plays later Tom Brady hit Rob Gronkowski in the end zone for a touchdown.

Another offensive possession for the Chargers, another inexplicable mistake. Richard Goodman, a special teamer forced into the game because of injuries, made a catch for a first down at the New England 41. He then proceeded to make the Vincent Jackson mistake--falling to the ground while making the catch, Goodman was not touched. He then got up, and left the ball on the ground. Patriot defensive backs immediately recognized the mistake, fell on the ball, and killed a promising drive. New England was forced to punt, but the damage was done.

Not about to be outdone by Goodman, Rivers and Jacob Hester decided to one-up him. On the ensuing Charger possession, after achieving 1st and 10 at the New England 32 yard line, Rivers made an ill-advised attempt to dump a pass off to Jacob Hester, who was several yards to his right. Hester was unable to haul in the high toss, but rather deflected it to the ground in front of him. All the players on the field assumed it was an incomplete pass. All, that is, except New England linebacker Rob Ninkovich, who fell on the loose ball and returned it all the way to the San Diego 8 yard line. Only a tackle by Philip Rivers prevented him from scoring a touchdown. That proved important, because on the ensuing Patriots possession back-to-back sacks by Shaun Phillips and Antwan Barnes forced them to settle for a field goal.

The bumbling continued. The next series saw Rivers throw an interception to Devin McCourty, which completed a stretch of four consecutive San Diego possessions that ended via turnover. Two punts later, the Patriots ended the first half with another field goal, making the score 13-3. Why wasn't the score worse than that, you ask? Because the Charger defense played its heart out. Lineman and linebackers were hitting and hurrying Brady on nearly every play. Defensive backs knocked numerous catchable balls away from New England receivers. If not for the valiant effort by the Charger defense, it would not have even been close.

The second half brought an end to the comedy of errors, but the Patriots padded their lead with a TD and FG drive, and the Chargers could answer only with a FG, making the score 23-6 halfway through the 4th quarter. The game appeared essentially over. And that's when the Chargers decided they weren't done. With 7:25 to go in the game, the Chargers finally found the end zone when Rivers hit Gates for a 4 yard TD pass. But then rather than kick it away, the Chargers special teams tried to do something positive and went for the onside kick. The ball was recovered by none other than Richard Goodman, and the Chargers proceeded to drive down the field again and scored another touchdown, this time a 1 yard run by Mike Tolbert. Incredibly, all this took little more than three minutes, 20 seconds. The Patriots took over at their own 40 yard line with four whole minutes left in the game, the Chargers in possession of all three of their timeouts, and a suddenly slim 3 point lead at 23-20.

The Patriots managed to move the ball 9 yards, and faced 4th and 1 at their own 49 yard line. Despite taking heavy criticism for a similar move in 2009, Bill Belichick decided to leave his offense on the field and try to keep the ball by converting on 4th down. The play called was a simple run up the middle by BenJarvus Green-Ellis, and it was blown up in the backfield by a combination of Shaun Phillips and Antwan Applewhite.

At this point, all the momentum was with San Diego. They had all three timeouts, two minutes, and the ball in New England territory having just sliced their way through the Patriot defense on two consecutive drives. The Chargers moved the ball, but only to the New England 27 before facing 4th down. A false start by Luis Vasquez made it the NE 32. At this point, I'd like to point out a statement made by our fearless leader in the days leading up to the game. Numerous Charger fans were expressing distaste with Kris Brown, Nate Kaeding's injury replacement. In response, we were assured, and I quote:

This game is not going to come down to a Kris Brown field goal in the final seconds.

Alas, there we were, with less than a minute to go a needing a field goal to tie. Back went the snap, boom went the kick, and clank went the ball off the right upright. Game over.

This was one of the most maddening, frustrating, pull-your-hair-out excruciating games the Chargers have played in recent memory. They got a near dominating performance from their defense against an elite offense, but thanks to some of the dumbest mistakes you'll ever see on a professional football field found themselves trailing by three scores late. Then they got everyone hopes up sky high by mounting a furious comeback, stuffing said elite offense on 4th down with minutes left to play, and blew the game at the last second by clanking a field goal.Suffice it to say, I'm a bit jaded about the whole thing.

Regardless, this weekend is a new day. The Chargers have real live wide receivers this time--Vincent Jackson and Malcom Floyd both, along with a mostly healthy Antonio Gates. The Chargers (probably) won't commit the same boneheaded mistakes again. The ones made in last year's game were enough to last a lifetime, thanks. The Chargers will be lucky to get another such performance out of their defense, but if the offense does its job this time they won't have to. Even on a neutral field this would be a tough game for the Chargers, and the fact that it's in New England makes it even harder. But something resembling health and intelligence on offense makes me think we have a chance that's as good as, if not better than, last year.

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LOL at your caption.

I remember the game vividly. I was furiously stabbing myself with my TV remote the whole first 3 quarters. And I couldn’t believe what was going on with all the pointless turnovers. Weddle dropped a pick, Cason missed a tackle, Cooper bit on playaction, those were the only 3 bad plays that day on defense. And yet, even with that dominating defensive effort that resulted, a loss is stamped on the schedule…

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."

by Superduperboltman on Sep 15, 2011 10:21 AM PDT reply actions  

These past two flashbacks have been painful!!

"Who do you think wiil the replacement for Jerry Jr. Cabarra or Frederson"

by Natrone Means Business on Sep 15, 2011 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Next week will be better.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 15, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I distinctly remember john saying that in the podcast...

Am I right? geez man…john is banned from making ominous predictions like that when we face the pats…or for that matter any good team…we should be way more superstitious than we are now…do ALL your pregame traditions and make sure you don’t miss a single step…the teams fortunes depend on it.

by Gorditoe1 on Sep 15, 2011 10:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Even 1-4 since 2006, Chargers have played Patriots well...

Except once in 07 I believe.
The 06 playoffs was the biggest choke job I’ve ever seen, and still am not rational about it.
Championship game, still could’ve been won had the 4 best players on the team not been injured or completely out.
Last year was recapped, quit making stupid mistakes and Patriots lose.

I hate the Patriots so much these days that it crushes me when the Chargers lose to them.

by bored@work on Sep 15, 2011 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

If we play smart

we can beat these guys. But therein lies the rub.

"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner

by Cake or Death on Sep 15, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

you are interesting.

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."

by Superduperboltman on Sep 15, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good post. One thing to mention:

Turner is only a few games under .500 now. Also, Belichick had a sub-.500 record before Tom Brady came around.

"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner

by Cake or Death on Sep 15, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good point. Norv shouldn't be judged on record alone.

But iLikeStuff also has a good point, in that the prevalent mental errors that the Chargers make during big games are worrying.

And even though we don’t have all the information, they seem to point to a deficiency in the abilities of our head coach.

by SDzeke on Sep 15, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Norv deserves to take his lumps

But discipline has been a problem with this team going back to the Marty days, and Marty was the kind of coach that would preach “one play at a time” and would openly say they stunk whenever it was true.

"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner

by Cake or Death on Sep 15, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, that this has been a problem for the team for a while.

Though player personnel has changed so drastically over the years that I would amend my statement say team and player preparedness appears to be a deficiency in the abilities of both Marty and Norv as head coaches.

Unless, that is, teams have a culture in the locker room that perpetuates and lives on beyond players and coaches. But I don’t have enough of a familiarity with NFL or football locker rooms in general, to make that type of assertion.

So I blame the head coach(es).

by SDzeke on Sep 15, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Norv is great offensively at times...

I’d say 80 percent of the time he’s successful,just my opinion though. But there is always that but,if we believe the statement above that Belichik was a under 500 coach until Brady came along…then what is Norvs excuse, He’s had Rivers his entire tenure here. If the basis of being a superbowl winning and appearing coach has to do with having the right personnel then you could make a strong argument that he’s been in a great position for a while.

We all support the guy cuz he’s what we have to deal with but I think we can all agree that Belichik is a better HC than he is. How do I come up with these conclusions? Well just look at his playoff record,superbowl wins,and even the way he has handled asst. coaching personnel and player free agency. I mean it’s clearly evident he has sole leadership of that team,it’s his way or the highway. I agree with ilikestuff,he could have turned this team into what the pats are today.

by Gorditoe1 on Sep 15, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I agree

that Belichick is a better head coach than Norv. However, Norv is the winningest coach this team has had, and he got us closer than we’ve been in years. His teams are mystifyingly stupid some times, while completely dominant the next week. It’s very strange.

Let’s make something else clear: Rivers is not Tom Brady. He’s pretty damn close, but he’s yet to play at the same level in the playoffs. He may turn that around someday.

"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner

by Cake or Death on Sep 15, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

On head coaching

I remember going to basketball camp when I was in high school. It was run by my coach at our gym but he also brought in successful coaches from teams in the area for a couple days. This one coach had a great record every year and his teams were always great. Luckily they were not in our league. When I saw the kids from his team that he brought, they didn’t seem that special. One drill was diving for loose balls…on the pavement! We were all looking at each other. Without warning he throws a ball and yells “Loose Ball!”. His two guys ran full speed while jostling for position and then dove on the street only to have one guy wrestle it from the other. One guy got a decent cut. The coach let them know he was proud of their effort. We were in awe of the players and the coach and instantly respected both. During games, my coach would preach – you gotta get to loose balls. But it was just words and nobody was laying out for him. There was no motivation or reward except maybe we get a loose ball. And there wasn’t much respect for him other than if we wanted playing time, we should play hard.

I see Belichick as the guest coach and Norv as my coach. Bill has that type of respect and command over his players. Norv might talk about being great and coming through in the clutch, but I wonder how much sinks in and how much translates onto the field.

I’ll never question Rivers’ heart though. Regardless of head coach, he’s a competitor. Sure Rivers isn’t Brady, but he’s not that far behind. Closer than many other names mentioned ahead of him.

by iLikeStuff on Sep 15, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Norv's excuse for having a sub-.500 record as a head coach is

the 9 seasons he spent with awful personnel in Washington and Oakland.

That’s a lot of suck to overcome.

With the “right personnel” Norv now has a 42-23 record in 4.0625 seasons with the Chargers, for a .646 winning percentage.

Of course I agree with you and Cake that Belichick is a better head coach. He actually won a Super Bowl in just his second season with the Pats.

But I’m not sure if record alone, regular season or playoffs, tells the whole story of a coach. I mean over the past six seasons Belichick has not managed to win another Super Bowl and his playoff record has been 5-5, for a .500 winning percentage that equals Norv’s.

Those numbers obviously don’t point to a sudden decrease in Belichick’s ability to coach in the playoffs. Thus I don’t think we can judge Norv on record alone either.

by SDzeke on Sep 15, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Belichik has 3 SuperBowls dude

Like I said you support him cuz he’s our coach but rest assured you would rag on him if he was an opponents coach…face it bro regardless of how you try to justify it hands down Belichick is a far more respected ,superb ,and accomplished HC. If he were to be let go by the pats or retired and wanted to come back to coaching and we were in need of a coach we would jump on him with the quickness.

by Gorditoe1 on Sep 15, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did face it.

I stated quite clearly that I agreed with you that Belichick was the better head coach. I have never stated anything to the contrary, and thus have never tried to justify it.

The only point I disagreed with you on is that I don’t believe that records and championships alone can tell the full story about the quality of a head coach.

Please read my posts carefully and in their entirety. That way you won’t keep trying to pick a fight where none exists.

by SDzeke on Sep 15, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not picking a fight
The only point I disagreed with you on is that I don’t believe that records and championships alone can tell the full story about the quality of a head coach

I just don’t understand this philosophy,then what other qualities does Norv have to be cosidered a great coach like Belichik. Again I reiterate I’m not picking a fight I’m just saying if winning 3 championships and multiple playoff berths and a special on NFL network doesn’t tell the story of a great coach I don’t know what does.

I totally support Norv( by default) but I and a lot of people I might add,just don’t think he has what you would call the Great Coach aura emanating from him. I’m not fighting or anything bro it’s just that I think your just like everybody else including myself,supporting Norv cuz we don’t have a choice. It’s what any fan would do.

by Gorditoe1 on Sep 15, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right to a point...

But Norv won 2 super bowls orchestrating an amazing offense for the cowboys. The last couple of years, look at how he’s improved the offense step by step. Belichick didn’t find success immediately, it took time. This is Norv’s 5th year. If between now and his/Rivers’ retirement, he hasn’t gotten a championship, then he sucks. But right now, Norv is a very good coach, and as soon as the Chargers so much as become AFC Champs, he can be considered a great one.

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."

by Superduperboltman on Sep 15, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come on, man!

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said Norv was a “great” coach. And for the record I believe he can’t be considered a “great” head coach. Not yet at least.

I only defended Norv in process of clearing up your apparent misunderstanding and misrepresentation of Cake or Death’s comment on how the talent level a coach is given can affect their win-loss record regardless of their abilities as a coach.

And I only brought up Belichick’s recent playoff record as an example of how someone could take as general and undescriptive a stat as win-loss and totally misrepresent a coach’s ability.

And, please stop dismissing my posts as blind loyalty to my team. I give every person on the Chargers’ payroll his or her due, whether it be criticism or attaboy, based on reason and research.

by SDzeke on Sep 15, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

what?

I’m not misrepresenting anyones comments dude, I’m having a discussion…and what gives you the ability to judge whether I have understanding of a persons subject matter? Now who’s trying to pick a fight where there is none there? Since you’re assuming all these things about me then I’ll just assume the reason you think norv is a “great” HC IS because of blind loyalty. FYI Norvs capabilities as an OC has nothing to do with his HC exp., it just means he’s a great supporting cast member but not quite as effective as the leader. Think what you want bro it’s ok we all have our opinions and nothing we say to eachother can change that.

by Gorditoe1 on Sep 16, 2011 10:48 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Good points

I guess I’m holding it against Norv for walking into a powerhouse team but then not discounting the horrible teams he was part of early in his HC career which isn’t totally fair. Missing the playoffs last year weighs heavy though. That can’t happen with the talent he had.

I guess after this season we should get a clearer picture of both head coaches in regards to recent coaching success.

by iLikeStuff on Sep 16, 2011 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

He took over a pretty bad team,

and then Modell announced the shift when the Browns were 4-5. Tough to ask anyone to pull out a winning season when surrounded by a million lawsuits, fans trying to kill the team and everything else that went on after that.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by ISN on Sep 16, 2011 4:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the post, Stuff.

I am also looking forward to a great game with a team that I once hated with a burning passion, but now view as respected rival.

I for one am glad that some of the animosity between our teams and fanbases has died down. Our teams face each other so often that I was bound to start having severe ulcers if I kept getting as worked up over the Pats and their fans as I used to.

So here’s to you and yours, and hopefully avoiding each other in the playoffs!

by SDzeke on Sep 15, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, me too

And now we can start hating the Jets, right?

by Lightning Hobo on Sep 16, 2011 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stating the obvious

This game will come down to mistakes: who makes ‘em and who takes advantage. The Chargers’ defensive performance in the game last year was no aberration. I fully expect more of the same. As great as Brady is, relatively speaking his performance seems to degrade more than most QBs when he feels heat in the pocket. That’s how it was last year, and I think we’ll see it again. That said, the Pats are going to score 20 to 30 points unless something drastic happens.

On the other side of the ball, the Pats’ defense can be had. The secondary is a liability. The Chargers’ receivers can have a very productive day if Rivers can get them the ball. But as the Vikings showed last week, getting pressure on Rivers forces the offense into check-downs. Plays will go for shorter yardage, drives will take more plays to succeed, and there will be more opportunity for errors. The offensive cast of characters for this game will be better than what Rivers had to work with last year, so an upgrade in performance is a distinct possibility. But if the Chargers are forced into a short yardage game, it will take error-free football for the Chargers to outscore the Pats.

The Chargers are mistake-prone, which is why you have to be patient and nutty to be a Charger fan. The Pats are not. But we have seen, on rare occasions, the wheels come off for New England. Further (I will get yelled at for this) I believe Belichick can lose this game for the Pats. He has made some curious decisions that some may attribute to arrogance. Regardless, if San Diego plays mistake-free, this will be a very evenly-matched, entertaining game. If New England makes mistakes, and the Chargers make them pay, two big ifs, San Diego can win it going away.

Thanks to CBS and the NFL for making this a late game; at least he Chargers won’t feel like they’re playing at breakfast time.

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by QLFixBoy on Sep 15, 2011 12:58 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I'm not sure the Patriots secondary is as big a liability as you think

They dropped the horrible guys from last year and now have talent there. They have a big question mark at safety though – with some no names that don’t have much experience. This could be a liability but Corners have improved as well as the slot coverage. The front should also be more aggressive than last year. Yes, the Dolphins put up big numbers in the air but outside the 4th quarter the Pats defense was leaps and bounds over last year.

Mistakes of course will be key and which QB will be pressured more – and which one will handle it better. Brady does seem to get jittery if he is hit early in the game. Rivers seems to move on after being hit but he’s also more likely to let emotion get to him which turns into overly aggressive throws. He has to avoid that to win this game.

The patriots will most likely focus on Gates and containing the backs. I think they will leave the corners vulnerable because they are confident in them. They will try to force Rivers to make mistakes. I’m fairly sure this is what they did to Henne to some extent but the guy played great. Plus some amazing catches were made by Marshall and Fasano with a guy right on them for huge plays.

…might come down to the kicker…gulp…

by iLikeStuff on Sep 15, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's hard to defend

the Chargers’ offense for the simple reason that there will always be a mismatch somewhere. If the Pats focus on Gates as you suggest, that implies coverage by a safety, because a LB can’t cover him. If a safety is dedicated to Gates then one WR is matched with a safety or nickel back; the Chargers #3 WR in any package is better than most teams’ #2’s. Mismatch. The key is to not give Rivers time for the mismatch(s) to develop. It will be all about pass rush; pin your ears back and bring it.

I hate to say it, but this might be a good game for draw plays.

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by QLFixBoy on Sep 15, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for this
The Chargers are mistake-prone, which is why you have to be patient and nutty to be a Charger fan.

by Jobumoplata on Sep 15, 2011 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

It seems to me that we know how to beat the Patriots

We just haven’t figured out how to not lose to them.

"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner

by Cake or Death on Sep 15, 2011 1:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Or not beat ourselves

Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.

by QLFixBoy on Sep 15, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Essentially

"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner

by Cake or Death on Sep 15, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Henne threw for 417yds...

How many will Rivers get?

"Dam it all if blood you spill, turns the grass more green." - Alice in Chains

by Effjay on Sep 15, 2011 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

354

because Rivers will be playing with a lead come the 4th quarter.

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."

by Superduperboltman on Sep 15, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Assuming Brandon plays.

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by ISN on Sep 16, 2011 4:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

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