Patriots matchup
We all saw Brady light up the Dolphins last night. But I thought the Patriots D was real unimpressive the first half. After watching the remainder of the game today, the final score definitely paint the picture that, as I read a few places, that it was "domination" or that the Pats D "shut down" Miami in the 2nd half. Let's face it, without a few Miami mishaps it's a real close game - they settled for a field goal after that Brandon Marshall catch at the 2 yard line, or the score would have been knotted at 21, and then would have become 31-28 if not for the goal-line failure. That was a real lame-duck playcall and execution on that 4th and goal. Also is doubtful that ridiculous Welker reception occurs had the Dolphins pulled out the TD, kicked off, etc. Would have come out on defense a lot more fired up if not facing a 31-17 deficit after a spirit-crushing turnover on downs.
Essentially the 2 teams traded scores all day, with the more polished NE offense cashing in more consistently and pulling ahead late with Miami making critical mistakes. To a lot of pundits and annoying fans, this points to NE "dominance," and even during the broadcast you hear Turico comment how "it's too easy" for the Pats to move the ball with their no-huddle. The truth is, the Dolphins moved the ball almost just as easily. They responded to almost every NE score by marching straight down to the red zone. And that says a lot more than witnessing Brady run his pass offense. That's not a surprising identity, as better teams will key on Welker and TE passes and they won't put up 600 yards every weak. The fact that such production was needed for the W is a lot more telling of the Patriots' weaknesses than their strengths.
What does this mean for the Chargers matchup? Well it will certainly be a test for the pass defense, but it's not very likely Brady puts up 500 again. The name Donald Butler will possibly be heard a lot, hopefully not after being burned by a TE, but rather after blowing up plays. Who will match-up with Welker? It will (as always) come down to the run game - fill gaps, contain, and you will force 3rd-long and be able to bring in extra DBs. The Pats will get short completions, the key to slowing them is being alert and closing on the ball-carrier, putting the hurt on Welker/Woodhead or anyone coming across the middle, and breaking that timing/confidence.
What it also means is that Rivers and Co. have a whole bunch of tape of Miami driving the ball on NE, and doing it in a style (attacking man coverage deep, jump balls, etc.) which Rivers and his receivers are also fond of and do much better. With the match-ups in the secondary, the Chargers offense should be able to either hit some deep balls (welcome to 2011, Vjax?) or open things up underneath where Gates and Matthews can do damage. It could be a great shootout, in which either team has a fighting chance. But of course we've all seen the SD offense struggle to get started, move the ball, and score, and that will put them in a tight spot against Brady. Though if Rivers and co. can come out firing, the bolts D (which seems ready to emerge as a real strength of the team) has the chance to come up big and be the difference maker.
What are SD's chances for slowing down the NE passing game? Did anyone look impressed by the NE pass rush, coverage, or run defense? I certainly was not - Sunday should be a fun game!
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Scary offense up the middle
But hey, if you think they mean something, a few power rankings put the chargers ahead of the pats after week one
I think the keys to this game are:
1) Haynesworth and Wilfork will bring great pressure up the middle. You didn’t see it against Miami, but you’ll see it against us. Hardwick and the two big boys next to him will not always be up to the challenge.
2) This means the Chargers will have to play from the shotgun more than they’d normally like. They won’t be able to set the tempo with runs up the middle, but will rather have to make end runs and screen passes to keep the defense from keying on the big WRs.
3) The Dolphins WRs got manhandled by the Pats CBs. I hope they come into this game expecting more of the same, ‘cause it’s not what they’re going to get. The Pats WRs, on the other hand, won’t break anything big on our secondary. I’m not worried about Welker: undersized guys don’t tend to do well against this defense.
4) We looked good stopping TEs and RBs. Weddle brings down anyone on the Pats roster on that long All Day play: that Peterson guy is really something else. The Pats, like the Vikings, run a lot of 2TE sets, and Phillips, Butler, Spikes, and Sanders will be called upon in many of the same ways this week as last. In fact, really you could say that the Pats offense is a lot like the Vikings offense, with two major differences in the key skill positions.
5) We need a good day from the DL and OLBs in the pass rush game. Having 2 TEs on every play means that there are always six guys in to block. Pressure with 4-5 men is how you beat Brady: like Rivers, you don’t want to bring the house on him, but if you make him scramble he gets decidedly less brilliant.
6) Obviously, the Pats don’t make a lot of mistakes. The players have to be smarter this time around, or the same thing will happen as last year.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 13, 2011 5:38 PM PDT reply actions
That's a really good point about the Pats double TE sets
The Pats don’t thrive on spreading the field vertically. Their strength is in spreading the field horizontally and carving up the defense with precision. Their biggest vertical threat is probably Aaron Hernandez with routes down the middle of the field.
The onus is going to be on the LBs and safeties to control the middle of the field. The biggest concern I have with our defense will be staying disciplined with their assignments and coverages, then finishing tackles to keep YAC at a minimum.
by Jobumoplata on Sep 14, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
good pt
but, your argument is perfect for what they did back in 2010. In 2010, they were a horizontal team once Moss was traded.
I re watched the game twice (offense) and I noticed a lot of plays that were from the 2007 vertical scheme and the 2010 horizontal scheme. They are a lot of intermediate routes that were both vertical and horizontal.
I actually like it a lot. Teams like the Jets can’t overload the middle w. loaded zones like they did in the playoff game.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Sep 14, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think that Ocho and Branch can get past Jam and Cason.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 15, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Ocho may not start
So there is Branch as Welker, with Slater and hernandez as our slot guys.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
prob not
but Ocho right now is our 3rd best WR and I would say 5th best receiver behind Wes, Herno, Gronk and Branch.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Sep 15, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Put hats on Brady
Easier said than done, but when it is done, the Patriots offense tends to bog down. Brady does not like, and never has liked, to play with defenders getting close to him and hitting him. IMO, of the elite QBs, nobody’s game changes more than Brady’s when the QB gets hit. Well, possibly Peyton Manning.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
Which QB does?
Brady does not like, and never has liked, to play with defenders getting close to him and hitting him.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
By comparison, Rivers.
I mean, getting hit isn’t his thing, but it doesn’t throw him off his game. It’s Brady’s only weakness.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 15, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
imo.... not.. exactly....
What throws him off his game is more of his WRs and TEs getting covered, so he either forces it, or gets sacked. When he gets hit, ya, it rattles him a bit, but a couple completions later and he should be fine. But if he gets hit continuously because his WRs and TEs are not getting open, than his game will be off. Just don’t let him get in a rhythm is what Im saying.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Fair enough
Disrupting his rhythm is a good way of putting it. When his guys are covered, he throws it in the stands, as he should. Taking a sack is not the Brady way. But getting to him before he can throw it away, that’s the goal.
I think the best example of what I mean is that playoff loss to Baltimore. Yes, I get it that nobody else’s defense is like the Ravens, but what they did is the best-case scenario.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
Baltimore scares me.
The San Diego defense is not bad at all, but the Ravens are the new Steelers.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 16, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure they'd like you calling them that.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
I think the big picture is
While Rivers can break a lot of the film down.. Belicheck always changes it up. How we win, be aggressive, play smart and get Brady on his back.
How big of an impact will losing their starting Center be?
Perhaps not a lot but I hope it results in some confusion and inability to adjust the line to a changing defensive front. I would love to see Garay knock their new center into Brady. That said, the Pats are uber professional and even their backups don’t make a lot of mistakes. Does anybody know about Dan Connoly, the guy that we will see on Sunday?
Dan Connolly is actually a decent back up center...
He gets man handled at guard though. I’m unfamiliar with the Chargers’ defensive line so I don’t know how the match up will go. However, he is still a back up. Looking forward to Sunday.
by SyracusePatsFan on Sep 14, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
You recall the kick return we had against the Packers last season on SNF? That was our OG/C Connoly lol.
He is in no way shape or form a downgrade from Koppen. Koppen brings familiarity and stability to the position, but Brady sure looked great with the “backup” C in their. That being said, its been a thought on our side, that Koppen may be in his last year in a Pats uniform. He should be back between 6-10 weeks. Its just to fortify the position really. I’d love for us to get Brewster from Ohio in the next draft lol
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
this
I think Connelly is actually stronger than Koppen. I would say he is a better Center than a Guard.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Sep 14, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Played LG until Mankins came back, then played RG for the rest of the year.
Hardly a “back-up” back-up.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
Well, somebody's new. So who's the new guy?
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 15, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I pretty sure he's a Pats fan contributing to BFTB for this week's game
by Jobumoplata on Sep 15, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
No, I meant on the LOS.
But I get it now. You’re saying Connelly has starting experience but wasn’t slated to start. Like our Scott Mruczkowski or Tyronne Green.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 16, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate Solder at RT, or Brian Waters at RG.
Unless Vollmer comes back to start at RT this week, he’s had back issues over the last fortnight or so. He’s been practising this week though, so it looks like he should.
"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West
This game
always ends at like 24-27 points by one of the teams and the other just under at like 17-21. I predict a 31-21 chargers win. I know this won’t be true if special team gives up TD(s). I believe chargers D can handle the patriots, so like always, it’s about what can the offense offer and if Norv comes out aggressive and chargers gain some points out of it, then I would actually think that Chargers will end up with close to 700 yards next week, wishful thinking, maybe, but definitely possible to do if offense is on the same page.
Two big keys for us
Cover the TE’s
Bring the heat on Brady
I think that PR & our group of receivers can expose the NE secondary. We just have to keep Brady from dinking & dunking us to death. Henne put up 400+. While the Pats won by more points, I really don’t think that their performance was any stronger than ours.
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Next Week
It seems to me that SD has to derail the Pats’ offensive game tempo. Pats use tempo and endurance to strategically, and then eventually, to physically dominate. Until Miami got gassed, they stayed in striking distance in the game. Their players matched up pretty well.
Brady is very smart and technically precise. He knows where all of his player are and he knows all the keys on your defense. How to beat him? Disrupt the routes and timing at the line of scrimmage. Keep the edge on running plays. Scout your own defense – change the keys, mix it up for the whole game. Make Brady move around and put him on the ground at every opportunity. Obviously easier said than done, but you have to have him moving his head left and right for self protection, rather than looking down field.
On offense, a touch of the same medicine will gas out Wilfork and Hainsworth. Of more importance – scoring touchdowns and no turnovers.
But, no matter what, the SD defense had better be in good condition.
Beat them at the line..
Thats what we did last year, and effectively shut down the Pat’s offense if anyone rememebers. this and not turing the ball will give us a very good chance at winning.
You are correct. You guys' D-Line played phenomenally well. But i caution, that just like how we can't expect last years
4 turnovers from you guys to happen again, don’t expect for our O-Line to play the same way this season against your guys. Rest assured BB will dissect what you guys do best to disrupt Brady. PA will be a potential key component as well. With Colon out on the right side, Toy Story aka Woodhead may be the better choice than the Law Firm, to play at RB. He can certainly bob and weave on the outside.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
that made me snicker
Do people really call him BB? I know you were just abv. but what if.
Yep. BB
Easy to use, and people usually know who you’re referring to. ;)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
You're right about Woodhead vs. BJGE.
We eat undersized halfbacks for breakfast. Big guys are hit-and-miss.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 16, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
My opinion is that it depends on how we get out of the gate
If we struggle right off the bat like we did against the Vikings, then it’s going to be one hell of a comeback, but if we keep up with their passing game early and respond, I actually think we can take advantage of them and pull out a “W”. Tom Brady alone can carry their offense, and with the emergence of Aaron Hernandez as their version of Antonio Gates, they have so many options. I think we’ll shut down the running game though, I’m not that impressed with Green-Ellis as a running back, but we’ll have to see how they utilize him out of the backfield. As far as our own offense, I feel like the Patriots did nothing to address their aging front seven, aside from Jerrod Mayo. Releasing Meriweather stunned me, and probably not just me either. And their QB containment was pretty below average also, they let Chad Henne of all players run on them, and I’m not a big believer in Albert Haynesworth, I think he’s highly overrated because he never shows the work ethic. Overall, the critics are going to all pick the Pats (as usual), but I think we’ll pull this one out, 38-35
F.F.F.
"Do you think we need one more...? You think we need one more... Alright we'll get one more"
While i agree that you guys can definitely win this game......
Overall, the critics are going to all pick the Pats (as usual), but I think we’ll pull this one out
i think i have a theory as to why the critics will/would pick us (not that it matters). Its like a smart (yes smart) Jets blogger wrote, that, “The critics will stop saying the Patriots will win the division…………..when New England stops winning the division” lol. And he’s right. With Brady at the helm we have won the last couple games since the 2006 season against the Chargers. That could surely change this Sunday. So both clubs have to be prepared. And just as the Steelers’ defense ain’t that bad, believe me that our defense will come around as well.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Actually we at PatsPulpit had expected this from last season!
Releasing Meriweather stunned me, and probably not just me either.
The only rather surprising part about this was the fact that we got rid of James Sanders first. Many figured that ok, Sanders is gone so we guess, reluctantly btw, Meri was staying. BB surprised that way. But Meri was always an overrated Safety, that was seen as a liability. He would take bad angles and give up tons of yardage in the passing game, cancel his own players out of a stop (a la McCourty back last season against the Packers) and an admitted “freelancer”. Good riddance.
In GOD I TRUST>In BB i trust......faith where it belongs!!
Life is about who makes it, not who makes it the fastest! Drive slow homie.
Limit turnovers and no brain farts
and we can win. I think we match up well against NE. We should go there with an underdog’s ‘we have nothing to lose’ attitude and try to shoot the lights out. Similar offenses, but I think our D can pull out some big plays.
So, let it be a shoot out. The pressure is on them for an expected W. Let’s use that to our advantage and knock them off their game.
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by The Land Of Real Beer on Sep 14, 2011 9:07 AM PDT reply actions
This secondary is very good
Although McNabb wasnt exactly going to test this team, Brady will. The good news is this team has two very good corners and two solid safties. The slot guys arent slouches either
Winning
Jet fan here
The key to beating the Pats is stop the underneath stuff. If you guys can play man on their wide receivers, but double their tight ends you got a great chance. The Jets are 3-2 against the pats the last two seasons including that 45-3 ass whooping they got from them. In their 3 wins they manned up their receivers using their safeties to help more underneath. Also, they use their outside rushers to bump their tight ends off their routes before they rush Brady.
Three other keys is to disguise what you are doing, Never let Brady see what the coverage will be.
The other thing ids pressure. Brady bis great, but we all see when he gets pressured, he’s not the same QB.
The last thing is their defense sucks right now. I don’t know if they will get better, but they are learning to play a 4-3. So I see you guys putting up numbers on them. I can see you guys winning 34-28.
I like to add, of course I want the chargers to win to help the Jets in the AFC east. I also have another reason. In the last eight years either the Pats, Colts or Steelers have come out of the AFC. While i feel the Colts are out of it this year, I really would hate to see either the Pats or Steelers make it. So if the Jets don’t make it out of the AFC, then I would root for either you guys are the Raven to make it. Good Luck!!
by BIG OH!!!!! on Sep 14, 2011 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good to hear.
Our CBs are beastly. Jammer ain’t Revis, but he’s very disruptive at the line. I like Cason better than Cro: he’s tougher, and just as athletic. There’s no reason we can’t mob the OL with 3 or 4 big guys, plus a pass-rushing OLB, and still keep four guys on whichever TEs/RBs don’t stay in to block. This year’s defense would have been much better than last year’s had Castillo stayed healthy, and I still think it has a chance to be a major force. Vaughn Martin and Corey Liuget are going to be simply beastly flanking Antonio Garay.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 14, 2011 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm...
…“Let’s face it, without a few Miami mishaps it’s a real close game”
If not for the improbable ricochet, then the Dolphins would have never scored their second touchdown. That argument goes both ways. After the Dolphins first drive of the season, they went 3-and-out, one-first-down-and-punt, 3-and-out, one-first-down-and-punt, lucky interception for the touchdown set-up at the 9 yard line, long drive to be stopped at the goal line, 3-and-out, 3-and-out, [Patriots in prevent defense and game in hand].
So when the Patriots weren’t in prevent, the Dolphins only had two sustained drives- their opening drive and the one where the settled for a field goal. They held the Dolphins’ offense to four 3-and-outs and two one-and-punts. That’s pretty dominating.
“What are SD’s chances for slowing down the NE passing game? Did anyone look impressed by the NE pass rush, coverage, or run defense? I certainly was not – Sunday should be a fun game!”
This is fair. The pass rush existed as pressure, but not as sacks or hits, which forced Henne to move around, but it wasn’t enough to take him down and disrupt him. Rivers shouldn’t be bothered. Coverage wasn’t the best either, but no defenses looked good against a competent offense on opening week, except for the Ravens. As for run defense, it was more than solid. The Dolphins had under 100 yards rushing and 60 of them were by their quarterback scrambling. Of course, the Chargers will have a much better running game, but the Patriots shut down the line of scrimmage against the running backs.
That said, a place where the Chargers can definitely try and take advantage is with their size against the Patriots’ corners. They started a rookie in Ras-I Dowling, who shut down Brandon Marshall, and a sophomore in Devin McCourty, who the Dolphins switched Marshall on and, subsequently, Marshall put up all of his numbers against McCourty. So while McCourty is one of the rising stars in the secondary, he definitely struggled against hitch routes and in jump balls against a bigger receiver. Watch the huge Chargers receivers definitely try and take advantage of the size differential.
by Richard Hill on Sep 14, 2011 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
We're not the Dolphins.
Caveat: We sometimes come out real sluggish. That could be a big problem. But we’re better at all six skill positions, and our line is at least as good at pass protection, though maybe not in the run game. We’ve also got a better defense.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 16, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions

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