5 Bad Things: Minnesota Vikings at San Diego Chargers
Health
To my knowledge, nobody has officially been placed on Injured Reserve just yet. However, NFL Network was reporting last night that Nate Kaeding (torn ACL) and Luis Castillo (fractured tibia) will both miss the remainder of the season after playing less than a full game of football in 2011.
There's obviously more depth at DE than there is at Kicker on the roster, and there's plenty of former Charger DEs out on the street (Ogemdi Nwagbuo, Travis Johnson, Igor Olshansky) that could be called if the Chargers feel they need more help there. However, with Corey Liuget looking fine as the starter on one side, Vaughn Martin and Jacques Cesaire can hold down the fort on the other.
Special Teams
Anybody else feel like turning off their TV and becoming a soccer fan after that first play of the game? The really disconcerting thing about Percy Harvin's 103 yard kick return is that it was his only kick return of the day (thanks in part to some strategic line drives being kicked by Mike Scifres).
One thing is for certain, and it was mentioned on High Boltage Radio Saturday morning, Special Teams is not greatly improved over last season. Bryan Walters is trying to fill the shoes of both Kelley Washington and Patrick Crayton. C.J. Wallace was playing the role of a younger, cheaper Quinton Teal. Rich Bisaccia instead of Steve Crosby cannot change a lack of Special Teams talent on the field. Guys like Larry English, Patrick Crayton and Jonas Mouton need to get back on the field so that they can make an impact here.
Rush Offense
Is it just me, or did the offense look exactly the same as 2009 and 2010? No better, no worse. Still incredibly jittery and predictable in the first quarter (or at least until the Chargers are down by 10 points) and still seemingly lacking any sort of respectable ground game, even when the passing offense is doing so well that the entire defense is back on their heels. How does that even work?
The ball distribution was exactly 50/50, with Mike Tolbert and Ryan Mathews each getting 12 carries. On one of his carries, Mike Tolbert carried the ball into the end zone. However, he finished with less than 3 yards per carry. On one of his carries, Mathews picked up 21 yards. Somehow, he still finished with less than 4 yards per carry. I understand that the Vikings front 7 on defense is strong, but the Chargers will find it hard to win games when their top 2 rushers finish with less yards per carry than the top 2 rushers on the opposing team.
QB Containment
I'm not that worried about this, going forward, because Donovan McNabb is probably the most mobile QB the Chargers will face all season. However, guys like Jason Campbell aren't that far off and it would be good if the Chargers could avoid giving up 20+ yard scrambles to these guys every time there's good coverage.
We saw less of it in the second half, when Antwan Barnes seemingly replaced Travis LaBoy as the OLB opposite Shaun Phillips, because the pass rush got better. That's a good start.
Turnover Battle
If Norv Turner and the Chargers want to win in the 4th quarter of every game, that's fine. However, it turns football into a high wire act where one small mistake could cost the team the game. That's how you lose to lesser opponents.
If the boys in blue would prefer to win before the 4th quarter, and spend that quarter running out the clock instead, the way to do that would be to win the turnover battle. It has been an Achilles heel of the Chargers for years now, and showed up again yesterday even though they were playing against a QB prone to throw INTs and a RB known for fumbling the ball. Philip Rivers threw two interceptions and, luckily, Jacob Hester's fumble bounced out of bounds or else it could've been even worse.
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Fumbles could be big
But Peterson this year isn’t the Peterson of ‘08 or ’09.
And you’ll see later in my defensive analysis, Containment was the interior linemen’s responsibility, and Cesaire failed twice. I actually wasn’t surprised by the opening kickoff touchdown. Maybe I’m used to Special Teams failures. I am definitely worried about Castillo though…
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 12, 2011 10:07 AM PDT reply actions
The last time we faced Peterson
He looked like the fastest man on the planet.
This time, he looked positively immobile compared to Percy Harvin.
That’s sort of a compliment to Percey Harvin’s speed, but Harvin shouldn’t be THAT much faster than a supposed All-World RB.
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Not high on Martin?
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I am!
but I haven’t seen enough on him. I’ll evaluate him tonight though
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 12, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't wait for the analysis
From my layman’s perspective, it seems like the defense is getting push off the edges, but not so much up the middle, resulting in RBs and QBs finding the gaps and getting to the second level.
by Jobumoplata on Sep 12, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Why expect the offense to look any different than it has the last couple years?
Its the same guy calling the plays after a shortened off-season and its been one of the best offenses in the league in recent history.
I thought they did well to make the right adjustments on offense. It seemed clear that Rivers was a little off, but fortunately he was able to make a few plays when it counted. Having Crayton in the slot would also help a lot if Defenses try and use that strategy again.
by BFDC on Sep 12, 2011 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, the Vikings defense seemed designed around the loss of Crayton.
Worked fairly well in the first half. Heck, any game you can keep Rivers under 7ypa is a good game for a pass defense.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it was designed around the loss of Crayton
Nothing they did on defense was going to be able to stop the non-Crayton WRs, it was just going to keep them from running certain routes. Obviously the intermediate dig routes (the ones Floyd and Jackson would do where they’d jump high in the air over the middle to make catches that Rivers threw beautifully) were what was opened up by the Vikings protected against the deep balls and sideline passes.
I’m not even sure Crayton would have helped. Walters can do most of what Crayton can do, but the Vikings I think had good schemes for containing the slot guy as well.
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You should set up a template
For this and just leave special teams on it. Would be easier than having to write it every week.
by cameronm on Sep 12, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Whoa, why the rip on soccer?
Unecessary… Anyways, off the subject, I didn’t think the rush offense did too bad yesterday, in fact, I think they did awesome (Tolbert 3 TD’s? Already leads the league). Yea, the first half was a bit shaky, but it’s the first game, and the Viking’s D is an underestimated bunch. The loss of Kaeding and Castillo sucks though, especially in the case of long range kicking, but Corey Liuget is doing such a damn good job that I don’t think we have nothing to worry about on the pass rush side of things. As far as special teams, you should just have it as a permanent fixture on this thing, actually we should just track it from game to game like the stock market and see how much better it does than the Dow and Nasdaq, it would give us a better feeling about the overall economy…
F.F.F.
"Do you think we need one more...? You think we need one more... Alright we'll get one more"
Two of Tolbert's TDs were receptions.
If you’re talking about fantasy, it’s all the same, but if you’re talking about NFL leaderboards, it’ll get broken down as 2TDs receiving and 1TD rushing.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea I was caught up in the fantasy world
Probably because the other guy had Tolbert, and I got murdered by 40 points
F.F.F.
"Do you think we need one more...? You think we need one more... Alright we'll get one more"
I had Tolbert
and still got murdered; it’s a talent…
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 12, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah you did.
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by Wonko on Sep 12, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I woulda
beat anyone but you ya know…
The play of chance and probability within which the creative spirit is free to roam. -von Clausewitz 'On Football'
by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 13, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Was that a rip on soccer?
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Was there a rip on soccer?
If there was it wasn’t explicit enough
Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 12, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The Vikings front 7 is strong?
Really?
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ummm...historically they have been?
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by John Gennaro on Sep 12, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Before losing their DE and WLB to free agency, a DT to retirement and another DT to suspension. Sure.
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by Wonko on Sep 12, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but they're going to be good this year, too.
We should be glad we didn’t see Kevin Williams.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
They being the Vikings DL, not the Vikings overall.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the 3rd opening day victory for Norv's Chargers
It was eerily similar to the two previous victories, one against the Bears and the other the Raiders. In all three games, we were sloppy and disjointed on offense but pulled it out in the 4th quarter (to be fair, the Bears were coming off a Superbowl appearance largely due to their stout defense).
The following games were both losses. After the 2009 victory against the Raiders, we lost to Baltimore in a weird game (we always seem to lose to Baltimore this way). After the Bears, we got annihilated by the Patriots in Foxboro.
I can’t say that I’m all that optimistic about history changing this time, but let’s hope for it.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
I always thought that Bears game got a bad rap.
First game under a new coach. Bears had a really good defense. Chargers won by 11 points and held Bears touchdownless, which is more convincing than most of their other wins.
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Too much commitment to running game
From the recently great Games of Thrones series on HBO:
“Only by admitting what we are, can we get what we want.” Lord Baelish “Littlefinger” from Game of Thrones
You knew the chargers would get out their offense funk when the score was 17-7, and the chargers started the drive on the shotgut, and the pass attempts came out flying. Accept it Norv & chargers brass, this is a thowing team, run the football when you have a lead, but to get the lead, you must accept who you are and throw the football, early, often, just plain and simple a lot.
Those power O’s and dives, just get squished on most every first quarter, once the chargers had a tired defense in the fourth quarter its no accident the running game looked better.
yes!
grrm was quoted on sports blog!
(btw, im a total GoT hipster, i read those books years ago… well except the new one that he took a bajillion years to write)
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Destroying your facts with opinions
Read the first off after season 1 on HBO
They gave away the first book in Comic Con panel for the second season, wisdom can come from anywhere, and that quote just seemed to spot on for the chargers identity problem.
I’m going to hold off on reading the second book, until I finish watching the second season of the series in 2012.
i'd have to mostly agree here...
but the Chargers aren’t confused about who they are. they are a passing team. however, the numbers will support the idea/illusion of being committed to the run. i have not stated they are not committed to the run, or over committed, as you suggest. but rather the just run the ball “poorly”. the Chargers need to run the ball “better” not more.
the passing game has changed how football is played forever and is here to stay, but no matter how hard we try or wish, we cannot escape the that this game was built on the running game. my point? we just witness the high powered aerial attack of the Bolts passing game darn near grounded and since this a copy cat league, you can expect a lot of teams to study how the Vikings shut down VJ, M80, and Gates. “IF” that happens then what? we pass to Tolbert, Mathews and Walters underneath? they controlled that to. because they knew one thing, that everybody else knows.
the Chargers can run the ball.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Correction..
The Chargers can’t run the ball.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Modern passing game you can take away parts, but to stop completely I don't see it
But the running can be completely obliterated, the Steelers have forced teams, to scrap much of their pro formation game plan against them, the falcons in preseason just came in accepting we can’t run on these guys, why even try. Will just go spread and throw 42 times in one half. And guess what, with over 200 yards and 17 points in that half and the Steelers were attacking as usual, if I played the steelers I would certainly take that. Green Bay won a title being a poor running team, the year before the Steelers were below average at running as well.
Modern defenses can take away pieces of a passing game, but most elite passing teams will find other solutions. There is no defense that takes away the deep pass and also takes away the short. The only defense that can do that is one that pass rushes 3 at the most 4, and dominates the o-line. That being the case you wont be able to run anyway, because they are just better than your o-line anyway.
I see where you going and i'm not trying to suggest i'm right...
just throwing it all the time, whether deep or underneath has “other” Effects. when we have that lead and need to run the clock down do we throw short passes? or throw another bomb? and ask a defense, that already has a hard time getting off the field on third downs, to go back out there with only 3 minutes of rest? Also, if opponents don’t have any fear, or respect for the Chargers running game, then that’s an advantage to the Defense. a good offense works by keeping the D off balance. an “effective” run game helps that. My point isn’t about running the ball moar, it’s about understanding how an effective running game can help your team in other ways.
The Chargers have gone from putting up 30 points on teams by half time, to being down by 12 in the first quarter. as a coincidence, the running game has gone from 3 best, down to as low as 28th. teams are keying in on the chargers successful passing game, and not even bothering to bring down the Safeties for run support, because the front seven can handle it. one last thing. a lot of defenses are pressuring PR or getting to him with 4 rushers.
all i’m saying, an effective running game keeps Defense honest, and improves your overall offense.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
If you want to run, I agree with Shanahan the only consistent way to run is...
Is to run a zone blocking that consistently cut the opposing DLine, just watch the Texans run block, of course no teams cause more torn ACL’s than the texans, so if you are willing to switch to that scheme you can run. But the old fashioned power O and dive scheme the chargers run, I do not believe it. Consistent running requires cutting DLineman at the knees, its not honorable but its very effective.
How many times do they try to run right through the gut and just fail
Fall behind and scrap the game plan, and go to the shotgun, how about screwing that gameplan from the start, go no-huddle shotgun from the start, get a lead, and then run.
You do expose to becoming like the Colts that you are completely useless without your QB, but if its your best chance to win, there is no shame to be the Colts, Saints & Patriots and throw it 50 and run it 20.
but when they run it, it's effective.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Rivers looked pretty bad in the 1st half. Had another slow start, made some pretty bad throws and that INT to Allen, absolutely terrible. He never looked comfortable. I hope this doesn’t start to trend, we can’t afford trying to mount comebacks. Having a nice lead will also give our RB’s a better chance to have better runs.
Runs on every 1st down up the middle is just killing me. You can always predict it. It was nice to see some draw plays.
That's Rivers
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by Cake or Death on Sep 12, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a setup for the Pats game.
They know how important it is.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 12, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't want to say I told you so but
I tried to tell people that keeping Schmitt to kick off over a player like Gachkar or Gamble would be a bigger asset to special teams. But I was assured that with the new kick off rules it wouldn’t matter. I told you so.
Also
On the one big play that the Vikings Offense had Sunday (the Peterson run that set up their only offensive TD) can somebody tell me who the small child that bounced off of Peterson’s thigh was at the 25 or 30 yard line? And what was a child doing in a Chargers uniform and on the field during the game?
Peterson at the 30

I don’t see any children.
Here’s the highlight. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d82223a69/Peterson-46-yard-rush
do clarify
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 12, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
All I see
Is Sanders whiff and Weddle get a piece only to let go.
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by Wonko on Sep 12, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But that was before the 30 yard line.
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Just having a little fun
and trying to fire up superboltman and the weddle-lovers.
Again I am joking around (for the most part), I think Weddle is a good player and the defense played great Sunday.
Someone photoshop Cromartie jumping out of AP's way on that play
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Sep 12, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Which adds to my point
Weddle was there, but nobody else. Play would have been dead there if Weddle had received help.
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by Cake or Death on Sep 12, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
And a TD without him there.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 13, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's referring to Weddle
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
My bad, after watching the highlight again
he ran over the small child at the 41 not the 30. Sorry about that.
Do you mean Weddle?
Weddle is awesome. 3rd best safety in the game.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 12, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I have "heard" that a lot
and yes I was giving you a hard time about Weddle. Maybe he should have informed Peterson about his greatness and Peterson would have fallen down instead of running to the goal line.
He did.
Which is why Peterson did absolutely squat for the rest of the game.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Sep 12, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Also why AP didn't get the TD.
But no, we should pile on one of our best players, for making a damn good play against the best RB in the league.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Look closely
at this clip and you see Sanders lay out and miss AP early and just eat the turf, but watch him get up and get AP from behind. That is some awesome effort.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 12, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Schmitt would have been terribly helpful
Unless he can kick FG’s. But I didn’t see much evidence of that in the preseason.
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
Spot punt return duty for Cason?
Walters looked very good as slot/underneath receiver, but he looked very inferior as a punt returner, tentative and the lack of burst was evident.
I know they want to keep Cason healthy, but in key moments he should see more pr’s like last year.
Crayton
is very good, he will take over again when he returns.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 12, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
With Crayton active
Walters probably has to be inactive anyway. Someone else has to do, so it could be Crayton.
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If Crayton is returning I have no issues with the situation
I wouldn’t even mind him having a run a Kickoff returns
I'm thinking that was rookie jitters
Looked better in the preseason.
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also, where was his blocking?
Kind of hard to go very far with no blocking. In the first half, every time he caught the ball he got hit almost immediately.
Either way I believe best man plays
Much like Antwan Barnes is better than Larry English at this point, I have very hard time arguing in a world that Bryan Walters should be doing returns, seeing what I saw from Cason last season.
Rush Offense
There was a point in the first half where our run offense looked like a high school team. It didn’t get much better but I think Norv is simply committed to running it. I think the final stat was we were 50/50 run/pass. Our O line just isn’t good enough. I think Hardwick is playing on borrowed time.

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