Take Two: Guessing the San Diego Chargers 53-Man Roster
by John Gennaro on Aug 29, 2011 2:00 PM PDT
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Two weeks ago, I copied the Silver Fox and tried to guess all 53 men that would make the final cut for the San Diego Chargers roster. With 6 days left until those final cuts, and two important preseason games under my belt since my first guesses, I want another shot.
Quarterbacks (3) (2)
Changes: Sorry, Scott Tolzien. Carrying a 3rd QB on this roster just doesn't make enough sense. I hope to see you on the practice squad.
Running Backs (3)
Ryan Mathews
Mike Tolbert
Jordan Todman
Changes: None. Despite his fumble in the Cardinals game, Mathews has proved two weeks in a row that he's the big-play threat that the running game has been missing for a while. That's why he was drafted. Tomorrow I'll look deeper at the Mathews' fumble issue, but today each of these guys makes the team.
Fullbacks (1)
Changes: None.
Wide Receivers (6) (7)
Vincent Jackson
Malcom Floyd
Patrick Crayton
Seyi AjirotutuKelley Washington
Bryan Walters
Richard Goodman
Vincent Brown
Changes: Stick with me here while I eat some crow. Bryan Walters has had a fantastic preseason and has done it during a time when Kelley Washington can't get on the field. I don't know that new coach Rich Bisaccia is going to beat a drum for Washington to stay, and that's just about the only thing that could keep him on the roster.
Richard Goodman has been too good on kick returns, and has a lot of potential as a Washington-like deep threat in the offense, to cut him. Especially when Gilchrist and Todman have gotten such limited return chances in preseason games. Also, don't underestimate how meaningful it was that Goodman made the tackle on the first Cardinals kickoff return on Saturday.
Tight Ends (3)
Antonio Gates
Randy McMichael
Kory Sperry
Changes: None.
Offensive Line (8)
Marcus McNeill
Kris Dielman
Nick Hardwick
Louis Vasquez
Jeromey Clary
Tyronne Green
Scott Mruczkowski
Brandyn Dombrowski
Changes: None. In the off chance that one of these guys gets seriously injured and has to get placed on IR, I think rookie Steve Schilling is next in line for a spot.
Offense Total: 24 players
Defensive Line (7)
Luis Castillo
Antonio Garay
Corey Liuget
Jacques Cesaire
Cam Thomas
Ogemdi Nwagbuo
Vaughn Martin
Changes: None. I'm really starting to like the mix of veteran leadership and youth in this group.
Outside Linebackers (4) (5)
Shaun Phillips
Travis LaBoy
Antwan Barnes
Larry English
Darryl Gamble
Changes: Added Gamble, who is showing himself to be a solid pass-rusher and special teamer. With Phillips, LaBoy and English all missing the Cardinals game, it's obvious that they'll need as much depth here as possible.
Inside Linebackers (5)
Takeo Spikes
Donald ButlerStephen Cooper
Kevin Bentley
Jonas Mouton
Andrew Gachkar
Changes: Replaced Cooper with "New Coop", Kevin Bentley. This is personal preference. Right now it's a one-week race for Bentley to get comfortable in the defense, but Coop looked awful against AZ. They cannot be comfortable with the idea of him having to start any games.
Cornerbacks (5)
Quentin Jammer
Antoine Cason
Marcus Gilchrist
Dante Hughes
Shareece Wright
Changes: None. I almost took off Wright, but I kept him on for the same reason I kept Vincent Brown: 3rd Round Picks do not get cut before their rookie season. Whatever reason A.J. Smith decided to draft these guys is not gone, and there's plenty of hope that the'll live up to their potential.
Safeties (4)
Eric Weddle
Bob Sanders
Steve Gregory
Darrell Stuckey
Changes: None. If there's an open spot somewhere, I could see one of the Special Team standout Safeties (Quinton Teal, C.J. Wallace) getting a spot for a while.
Defense: 26 players
Specialists (3)
David Binn
Nate Kaeding
Mike Scifres
Changes: None.
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good list...
you got everyone i wanted (and crowd faves)… too bad there isn’t a place for Frank the Tank other than the PS.
i agree about that ST tackle by Goodman, what a fantastic play, kind of a Terrell Davis moment that just might’ve solidified his place.
"Watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow."- Zappa
Sigh
Give in two two crowd favorites, and the crowd comes up with a new favorite.
I have no idea why people like Frank Summers. None at all.
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
by John Gennaro on Aug 29, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Its the nickname
I mean, come on, the guys is “a tank”.
And I’m sure we would actually see that if he ever got into a game for more than a a few garbage plays. Right?
I hate this philosophy
“He’s so good, if only Norv would play him!”
Yes, fans know way more about a player’s talent than the coach that watches him in practice every day. Not everyone deserves a chance.
Tank is a terrible nickname.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 29, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Norv has wanted to play him the whole Pre season
Norv loves Frank… so yes he does have talent. The only reason why he hasnt seen the amount of playing time that he deserves is because he has been sidelined with a hamstring injury.
Norv openly declared that Summers was his biggest dissapointment due to injury. Norv fell in love with him since day 1
by David Conrique on Aug 29, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Tank? Sproles disagrees
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Aug 29, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I know
just thought I’d find something though…
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Aug 29, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
He was also the p4p bench champ on the team
"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women." -The Barbarian
by traceSD on Aug 29, 2011 7:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hahaha
People like him because he’s a very punishing runner like Tolbert. He was a fan favorite during open practices and his 255+ lb frame could be useful. He is arguably the hardest hitter we have and has terrific blocking abilities.
The list you have is perfect… we just have too many good players!!
by David Conrique on Aug 29, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
People like him because he’s a very punishing runner like Tolbert. He was a fan favorite during open practices and his 255+ lb frame could be useful. He is arguably the hardest hitter we have and has terrific blocking abilities.
Prove that any of this is true. His preseason stats tell me he has 1 carry for 4 yards. So…he’s a punishing runner….in practice….when people aren’t allowed to hit him…?
Arguable the hardest hitter we have and has terrific blocking abilities? I haven’t seen a single hard hit or a single big block from him except for practice….when you’re not really supposed to be hitting hard, and the blocks came when he was filling in for Hester (who is a better blocker).
I think people see a really big RB and just assume all of these things are true.
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
by John Gennaro on Aug 29, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
we miss natrone.
"Watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow."- Zappa
by QuesaDiaz on Aug 29, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
heh, he should fake illness, go on the pup...
so nobody signs him off the squad. he might be nuveau crowd fav, but he’s been Norv’s pet since the first practice.
"Watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow."- Zappa
too late.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 29, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
yup
you have to be on the PUP from day 1 in camp to be on the PUP into the regular season.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 29, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
i know why people like Summers
The same reason charger fans liked Walters and you didnt
"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women." -The Barbarian
by traceSD on Aug 29, 2011 7:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Rooting for the underdog?
Summers doesn’t offer anything over Hester but size, which he doesn’t use effectively in games. Sorry, but being big doesn’t mean he’s a ‘bruiser’; that seems to be something people just keep repeating because he practices well. Size without the talent equals roadblock for the guy with the ball. All of this is aside from Hester’s ability to catch and fill in at HB, as well as his exceptional short-yardage running. Summers has simply not given the coaches a reason to put him on the roster. Being a fan favorite means very, very little when it comes to the games.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Why are people counting Summers out? I love Hesters heart but how good has our running game been with him as lead back?!? We haven’t seen Summers on the field blocking yet due to injury but all the pratice reports say he’s slober knocking. I believe change is needed at the FB position, we need another LoNeal type and Norv sould stop worring about RB touches for a FB and get back to a smash mouth running game with a true FB opening holes and protecting #17 instead of a dual threat hybrid. Just my missing Marty ball control intensity opinion…
Thank you Daryl Peek! Someone finally understands!
First off… Summers is not just a fan favorite… he is Norv Turners favorite!!! Norv sees Summers’ value! Summers has good hands also but Norv wouldn’t use him for that purpose… he is a good blocker and can open up holes for our RBs. Not every Fullback is meant to catch the ball and score.
We have not had a true fullback since LoNeal and I think Summers offers that.
by David Conrique on Aug 30, 2011 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The "true" fullback is pretty worthless.
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Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Aug 31, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
The FB can't help if the RG lets his guy through to make a tackle for loss
Or if the LG tries to pull but slips and trips the RB. Or if the TE can’t seal the edge. All of these things happen. The FB position is not the reason our running game has declined; the run blocking of the OL has declined, as Rivers has improved into the team’s primary weapon. You can’t have a ‘smash mouth’ run blocking line that’s also exceptional at pass pro, and a FB can’t change that.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
by aesimpleton on Aug 30, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Running the ball effectively is all about attitude & commitment, you gotta let the hogs run wild. Denver had one of the smallest O-lines in the league but ran well no matter who touched the ball. As coordinator for the Cowboys Norv’s offense used the run to set up the pass, I was dumb founded as to why he abandoned that philosopy when he came here especially since it was already in place when he took over… which by the way we still have some of those same hogs. When LoNeal was hurt or after he was shipped out it was a clear drop off in our linemans intensity up front. I’m not saying a FB makes or breaks the running game alone but there was a symbiotic confidence factor LoNeal brought to the table in smash mouth attitude, and anyone who’s played football knows that there’s nothing like a good old dominating OKIE drill mentality to pump everyone up. Bottom line Norv needs to allow the momentum of ‘Summers’ pratice to reignite the hog in our O-linemen.
Attitude is great
But guys get older and priorities change. The priority is to protect Rivers so he can win the game. I’ll refer you to jkvandal’s comment below to address your infatuation with the dinosaur FB.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
The best team and franchise in the NFL right now uses the model I’m talking about, and it has manifested into them appearing in the Superbowl more than any other team since the turn of the century ‘Pittsburg’ and Summers came from that system.
Summers was released from that system...
And this team is not built like the Steelers.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Agreed on how Norv has changed our identity...
But as I stated earlier some of the current linemen on our squad were a part of Marty ball which is that system.
So you want to bring back R2P2?
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
No that’s to predictable as an offense in todays game but there would be nothing wrong with that IMO if we used a variation of it on a more consistant basis. I want to believe in Norv as our head coach and I think he’s a good play caller most of the time but sometimes it seems as if we just don’t have enough fire in our belly. I’m optimistic because Rivers has that fire but as the feature of our offense we differ to him way too much… it also leaves our #1 defense out there too long which tires them to the point of not being able to knuckle up against the run themselves. Whenever we face a tough grind it out opponet we often come out on the short side due to that lack of ball control time possesion. This is why we dominate the Colts but can’t get past the Jets, Pat’s or Steelers. In the AFC the Colts are the only predominantly passing team I can remember to go all the way, and that particular year they had their best running production if memory serves me correctly.
So much bad information.
Both teams in the Super Bowl last year were predominantly passing teams. Pittsburgh was a top 3 passing team, but middle of the rushing and they’ve been transitioning into a passing offense for years now.
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Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Aug 31, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Summers was only released because he has a season ending injury
Moke Tomlin said Frank was one of the best football players he ever met. And Frank took on every veteran since they wanted to take a crack at him just for his nickname “Frank the Tank”. Keep in mind that being a good football player has little to do with being a good athlete.
by David Conrique on Aug 31, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Take a look at the direction the Steelers are going
Notice anything about their WR’s? Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, and Antonio Brown could all compete for title as fastest WR in the NFL…and they’re all on the same team. Noticed how much the Steelers have been passing lately? There’s a reason the NFL is called a passing league
I agree they are the only WR core that can compare to ours IMO
But again the ATTITUDE of getting after it in the run game up front is what seperates them from us. AJ is actually trying to build our D in the mode of theirs it seems we just haven’t hit the LB jackpot like they have, and a big part of that is the attitude persona the evokes fear… statistically our D under Marty and Norv is one of the best we’ve ever had but the Junior/Harrison lead D of the 90’s evoked fear hence our only Superbowl appearence
The reason the Steelers have been more successful is their defense.
Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Aug 31, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Guard's ASS in heading into the backfeild at 4 mph...
And the running back leaves the station at…
how good has our running game been with him as lead back?!?
I’m big for a lead blocker too. Hester has been improving IMO. But the full back should be making that last block to open the hole. This Chargers O Line just got pushed around by the Red Birds. Pick your fantasy FB. I don’t think any FB could have gotten any different result. The Chargers Rushing problem is up front.
Some are old, some are undersized, and some just aren’t very good run blockers. They do OK with the protection. I see other AFC West teams actually drafting O Linemen. I see other AFC West teams signing FA O Linemen. I see the Chargers O Line standing still, and moving backwards when they are asked to run block.
by Trendsearcher on Aug 30, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
The biggest problem against ARI was Green
Once he left things started to pick up for the run game. The line has transitioned to pass pro, because Rivers IS the team now. They’re very good at it.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Green was the biggest problem
But the other three interior lineman also stunk it up the first half.
I think we need to come to the conclusion that we are not going to have a strong running game this year (as we haven’t for quite some time). We will NOT be able to run whenever we want to. We WILL be able to run (and run well) when the rest of the offense is clicking.
While this is a little disappointing, I don’t think it should affect our overall chances this year too much.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 30, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Though I don’t think Dielman and Hardwick were that bad. I’m not worried about the offense, though. This team is not built to run over people. That’s the other side of having a great QB.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
by aesimpleton on Aug 30, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
The run blocking FB is a dying breed
in LoNeal’s last year in San Diego, he began to lose effectiveness in this offense…and it wasn’t because he was getting worse. The reason was that when teams would see LoNeal and LT in the backfield, and know that a run was coming, and they would be sending two LB’s to the gap that LoNeal moved towards after the snap. It was a dead giveaway to where LT was going and 2 LB’s were headed to the hole before LT even had the ball yet.
I don’t care how good of a FB LoNeal was, he can’t take out two LB’s in the hole. Pure run blocking fullbacks make the running game predictable, and that is why they are a dying breed. The FB position has become all about versatility, especially in San Diego: run blocking, pass blocking, receiving, and running the ball. The more things your FB can do in the pass game, the less the defense can key on one thing when that back is in the game.
LoNeal The run blocking FB was a great breed on his way out to retiring
LoNeal was a 15 plus year vet at this point in his career so diminishing skill set was absolutley a part of the problem but more importantly was the injuries to LT causing the need to rely on Rivers and a short passing game as our means of running the ball in San Diego… this is what allowed Sproles to shine during that time. Sproles had better than average rushing numbers as a third dowwn specalist running behind an aging LoNeal and Rivers blossom behind his invaluable protection. In 2008 LoNeal went to the Ravens as a back up who started some games and helped their running game thrive but more importantly he helped in protection of a young Joe Flacco. The next year the writing was on the wall and he retired after being on IR with the Raiders. Pittsburg is one of the last teams to hold fast to this great breed of blocking backs while maintaining a very dangerous passing game which the FB is an intrigual part in protection since TE’s are becoming more atheletic pass catchers VS. blockers.
Really?
So who is Pittsburgh’s monster lead blocking FB this year? John Clay is their only running back heavier than 230 pounds, and he doesn’t have a history as a lead blocker.
Also, this vaunted Steelers running game that you refer to finished 11th in the NFL last season…the Chargers were 15th. Not that big of a difference when you really look at it. The Chargers only ran for 114 less yards on the season, while they passed for 918 yards more. Which would you rather have?
The attitude, perception and constant playoff results.
Yes the Steelers are actually more of a passing team with Big Ben under Tomlin but they maintain that slober knocking persona as a team. The big difference between us and them is simply ATTITUDE, there hogs will go after it in the run game our guys look soft in comparison. I just feel with Summers we would see an attitude adjustment which is the kick in the but we need as a whole on both sides of the ball.
I just don't feel that a backup fullback is going to be changing any persona of this team
I know what you are saying, but I also think a lot of that persona is just media carryover from more traditional Pittsburgh teams. If you watch their offense, it really is more of a finesse offense now, yet most casual fans still have the opinion that they are a hard-nosed running team.
I agree that the Chargers could use a change to their attitudes, and I think the defense got it. I’m not sure that the offense needs to change anything other than health and experience…we have the fiery leader at QB that is necessary, a backup FB isn’t going to tip the scales and change the team’s persona IMO…he’s just going to take a roster spot.
This roster makes the most sense
I definitely agree with everything here. Tolzien is good but keeping him makes no sense. Cooper didn’t look so good this past game and I wouldn’t expect him to last long either. Gamble and Mouton definitely proved their worth!!
I would love to see Frank Summers make the roster but unfortunately we don’t have enough room :(
that 53rd spot feels really wide open
I see Bentley (or maybe OG) as the 53rd guy. And I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw a dark horse like OLB Ihenacho get the last spot. Those last 3-4 spots have to be guys who can be developed. Bentley and Coop don’t fit that role.
Plus, we’ve had a 3rd QB on the roster at the beginning of the year every year in Norv’s reign.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 29, 2011 2:26 PM PDT reply actions
I dunno
I don’t think they want to go into the season without another vet at ilb. Spikes is the only guy that has any kind of experience. I would think Gachkar would be on the bubble.
The play of chance and probability within which the creative spirit is free to roam. -von Clausewitz 'On Football'
by Brian (DaBolts) on Aug 29, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is Walters playing "defensive special teams"
The Gunner postion to be specific. I know Goodman has been playing that spot but looking at the website, Goodman and Walters are abouth the same size (6’0, 190 lbs). It will help Walters chances of making the team if he can play that spot.
I just think its going to be hard to have Tutu, Goodman, and Walters make the team. Love all them, but thats going to be tough.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
keep in mind
We might have some big WR turnover in the off-season, so there may a a few more young guys on the roster as pipeline guys.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 29, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
and thats the problem. Walters seems to be a better WR right now but Goodman and Tutu are better Special Teams players. Just a tough call.
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
We need to keep all of them
All we need to do is give Tolzien the boot and we can keep all seven WRs
by David Conrique on Aug 29, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Walters also fielded some punts, and whiffed the one
Good list John, I can’t think of anything different.
Since I am agreeing with you… AJ and Dean will probably do something different.
by Trendsearcher on Aug 29, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Tolzien needs to go to make room
There is no logic in having 3 QBs when we have Rivers (durable) and one of the best backups in Volek. We need as many weapons as possible… Tolzien needs to go to the PS
same situation last year
and we had JT O’Sullivan on the openning day roster…
Although, that might have just been a Charlie Whitehurst rebound pickup…
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 29, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Who else
will hold our clipboards with grace and dignity?
by Lmbs2slaghtr on Aug 29, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not JT O'Sullivan
He’d try to adjust the clipboard for a better view and accidentally bounce it into the hands of the other side’s DC… all the way across the width of the field.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 29, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand the need for him to go
but from what the experts are saying he won’t clear waivers to get to the practice squad. Volek will only be around for so long, he could be molded into the next Volek or even a PRivers of our future.
This. Too short.
Just because Brees makes it work doesn’t mean six-footers generally make good NFL QBs.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 30, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Height helps. Notice how shorter QBs get their balls swatted?
I think most if not all QBs besides Vick are at least 6ft tall
by David Conrique on Aug 30, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Brees is 5'11".
He’s the one exception. Height works against Vick as a QB just as it works for Vick as a direct-snap RB.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 30, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
You want your QB to be at least 6'2" or 6'3" so he can see over his linemen and throw over the rush.
You don’t want him to be much over 6’6" because really tall guys are often an injury risk. So there’s your height range. Weight doesn’t matter in QBs so long as they’re mobile and not fragile.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 30, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
Ogemdi Nwagbuo is safe. I think we are going to go with 6 DL. Last year we had 7 and we were still trying to hide Cam and Martin on the inactive list every week. This year, there is no one we are trying to hide… I think we go lean in there.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 29, 2011 2:41 PM PDT reply actions
The reason I have 7
is that Garay and Castillo are injury risks. Honestly, I think Cesaire has looked pretty terrible in the preseason, but they’ll keep him based on reputation/leadership and to help tutor Liuget.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 29, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
no more so than last year. And last year we were hoping Cam Thomas and Vaughn Martin didn’t have to play. So we essentially had 6 DL we trusted.
Plus, DL rarely contribute much to ST, and Biasacci and the STs are going to get whoever they wants this year.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 29, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I do not think we carry 6
but if we did, OG will not get cut. He’s controlled for two more years and cheap. I would guess that Ceasaire would be cut over him. But like John I think we carry 7, especially considering the nature of the division we play in
Winning
I could see 6 DLs, but no way could I see them cutting OG.
He’s our most versatile lineman, and he’s young and cheap.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 30, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
That's true... but also what happened last year?
Almost half of our receiving corps was out due to injury. I think Walters and Goodman had too good of a camp/preseason to let them go. Seyi is always going to be a great option. I really see us starting the season with only 2 QBs
Whatever. The injury bug is random.
Should we carry an extra Center in case Hardwick goes down again? How about safeties? Should we be kicking ourselves for losing Paul Oliver because a meteor will strike Marcus Gilchrist on the day that Bob Sanders breaks his leg and Steve Gregory comes down with Bubonic Plague?
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 30, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
This seems like the best shot at the final roster.
Good john, Job.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Aug 29, 2011 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Guessing the inactives week1:
Walters
Goodman
One of Mooch/Dombro
OG
Gamble
Gachkar
Stuckey
One of Hughes/Wright
only need 7 inactives this year (we have 46 man active rosters since the new CBA got rid of the 3rd QB rule)
My Guess:
1. Mooch/Dombro
2. OG
3. Thomas
4. Gamble
5. Wright
6. Gilchrist
7. Bentley/Coop (unless he is better than Mouton or Gachkar on ST)
with Walters and Goodman thrown into the ST fray every week.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 29, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I could take a shot at those.
Wright
Todman
Brown
Gamble
OG
Dombro
Walters
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by John Gennaro on Aug 29, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think any third stringer would be active unless they contribute on ST. I forgot about him on my list. Brown is also a good call for the first 4-8 games or so.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 29, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
This
and the Hester thing too.
I was surprised nobody said Brown. No way he’s ready to contribute anything.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 29, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
No one said Todman as an inactive either
To me he’s one of the easiest inactives to pick to because he hasnt been returning kicks and both our FBs double as tailbacks. Also Goodman (if he makes the roster) and Gilchrist are guaranteed actives. Goodman can return kicks and is a stud gunner, and Gilchrist can play anywhere. Also Mooch has to be active he’s the backup center. Mine would be
Walters
Brown
Gamble
Todman
OG
Dombro
Wright
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But we only have one fullback since Tolbert has converted to a halfback
by David Conrique on Aug 30, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
we can live without a fullback for the remainder of a single game. It just means one of the personnell packages is off the board, which hurts, but not enough to activate someone (or keep someone on the 53 man roster)
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 30, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Really?
Tolbert can play FB in a pinch if Hester goes down. just because he lines up as a RB now doesn’t mean he can’t line up at FB. Also, TEs often line up at FB in this offense, so McMichael and Sperry can double as further backups to the FB position.
The FB position is no longer a crucial position in this offense…important? Yes. Crucial? No. I think it would hurt the team more to be without a #3 WR than it would without a FB…the Chargers run A LOT of 11 and 12 personnel with no FB.
Good list.
Everyone seems to love Gamble, but I don’t really see why. I mean he isn’t terrible, but he’s nothing to get excited about. He tries hard and generally ends up in the pile, but only after somebody else makes the play. He runs himself out of plays and can’t push linemen around. Any of you supporters have an example from the last game of why he’s any good?
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
It has more to do with the bang-ed up nature of the other OLB’s to go along with his couple three big plays in the pre-season. Phillips, English, LaBoy, and Barnes have all missed significant time in training camp.
Yeah, I know why he'll probably make the roster
I just don’t understand why anybody is excited about it. I keep hearing how he proved himself this last game, but I don’t see it.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
People like TDs? Right place right time when Luiget spooked that RB. Plus he put some pass rush heat against the cowboys third stringer. I think people are hungry for the kinda OLB pressure we’ve been missing since Merriman broke down.
Nothing to get excited about there
As far as I’m concerned, anyway. He’s done well against backups and 3rd string guys, and was in the right place to clean up Liuget’s work. I guess I was hoping I had missed something.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
The guy is a scrub with a shot at the roster
A scrub that may get to spend time with the ones during the season. Whats not exciting about some guy going undrafted and then playing as a rookie in a NFL game
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Well
The fact we may have to rely on a scrub to start at some point isn’t so exciting as it is disappointing.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I said spend some time with the ones
If Gamble is starting that’s beyond disappointing it’s horrible
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Either way
Somebody has to get hurt for him to play. Again, I was just asking why people were so high on him. He’s nothing special.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
because of english
People are excited about Gamble because he has shown more tenacity then Larry (pushed aside) English.
"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women." -The Barbarian
by traceSD on Aug 29, 2011 7:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We've never really seen English healthy...
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
No one is "high" on him
Anymore than any of the other rookies who have done next to zero at this point; outside of maybe Gilchrist and Liuget. People are just stoked because he is an undrafted scrub with a shot at the roster. It’s really not that complicated, it’s the finding a diamond in the rough concept
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Not true
I have heard plenty of people expressing excessive optimism for the guy, from commenters here arguing that he ‘collapsed the pocket’ to Acee stating that he proved himself in the last game. I was asking for examples of this talent people seem to see, but have heard nothing of substance. I know some people are going to root for the underdog. I know why they do it. I was simply checking to see if any of those people had a sound reason for it.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
are you expecting people to cite game film? Because I’m pretty sure no one really has the time to go back through the game and give you specific instances. I think there are plenty of examples of him over achieving. He has consistently shown well against the 2s and 3s and didn’t look lost against the 1s. I think most people like his tenacity. He seems to be an excellent project that has some potential.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 30, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
If he was drafted in the 1st round, would you like him?
To me, it seems as if people like aesimpleton don’t like Gamble because he went undrafted. If he was our 1st rd draft choice you would be praising him I bet. Gamble is a good football player and he shows that. Every time you see a big play you can see him there. He may not start but he deserves a spot on the team. He is relentless and gives it his all… thats something that can’t be taught. He has heart and thats what seperates good players from the great players.
by David Conrique on Aug 30, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
He's always in on the big plays
At the back end. He’s consistently second or third to the tackle. Good for him for the effort. I don’t understand your assertion about his being undrafted; makes no difference. I’m not excited about him because he hasn’t done anything to get me excited. If he could produce against a first-team OL, or at least get some push, it would be different.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I don't understand why you guys are getting excited
I don’t think the stuff you mentioned is enough to warrant excitement. Maybe I don’t excite easily. Chill.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Also
I’m pretty sure no one really has the time to go back through the game and give you specific instances. I think there are plenty of examples of him over achieving.
See, you can’t do that. If there are plenty of examples, provide one. If you can’t think of one, why say it?
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
plenty of examples have been provided already!
two sacks against the seahawks. TD against the Birds. Consistent relentlessness: every play of the last three games. It sounds like you are looking for even more examples, and the only way to get that is to go play by play through the games, and that is what no one is going to do, especially for a developmental guy who we hope won’t see the field this year…
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 30, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
We've discussed those
And I’ve explained why I don’t think they mean much; The Seahowks game was against backups, and the TD was luck at being there when Liuget scared the back. The thing is, I went play-by-play through the games and didn’t see anything encouraging. I’m not disagreeing with the underdog thing. I just wanted to know if there was anything else to it that I may have missed to justify the comments I mentioned above. It appears there is not.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
by aesimpleton on Aug 30, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I you want to see his best work
Watch the Cowboys game when he plays against Doug Free, the Cowboys left tackle. You really do not need to turn into someone that flames scrubs people like just because they do not have tape that proves they are an all pro. That’s why we have John……
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I'm not trying to flame the guy
I mean, read my comment from the top. That’s not flaming anybody, it’s juts an honest assessment. I just wanted to know what people saw in him. I’ll watch him in the Cowboys game; thanks.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
by aesimpleton on Aug 30, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
What I see in him
Is a guy that’s always around the football. That doesnt sound sexy but its true for probably all scrub defenders. Consider what hustling to the football represents, and you’ll figure out why people are rooting for Gamble
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It wasn't luck... he was in the right place because he put himself there
If he wasn’t relentless he wouldn’t have been near that ball. He hustled over there like a champ and his motor kept running strong
by David Conrique on Aug 30, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Reply fail?
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 30, 2011 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
my 53 man roster would be
PR17
Gatesy
M80
Jax
and clone Jordan Todman 49 times to fill the rest.
"I suggest more bike" ~KSK
"The Red Sox and Yankees are playing as I type but I don't know who's winning because I don't watch Arena League baseball." - the genius TTG
Destroying your facts with opinions
Can Todman play Nose Tackle?
That’d be my only concern.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 29, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
man
You REALLY like todman.
by Its Mikey!! on Aug 29, 2011 5:22 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
hey we Huskies have little to root for in the NFL
its very tough being a UConn fan.
(snark intended)
"I suggest more bike" ~KSK
"The Red Sox and Yankees are playing as I type but I don't know who's winning because I don't watch Arena League baseball." - the genius TTG
Destroying your facts with opinions
Next comes
Clone the Tank 49 times.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
provided they do it with the appropriate level of snark I'm all for it
"I suggest more bike" ~KSK
"The Red Sox and Yankees are playing as I type but I don't know who's winning because I don't watch Arena League baseball." - the genius TTG
Destroying your facts with opinions
aesimpleton
well, I saw Gamble push a RT back in the last game, I don’t mind seeing him on PS, I just don’t want him to get snatched by another team, I just think the guy has potential and a year of OTA’s and some more pre season games and Chargers can have a pretty solid rusher, don’t you think?. Great Job John. I can’t believe someone in here put Cam Thomas on the inactive list, he’s gonna be key to keeping Garay fresh. anyways great post keep it up, I still haven’t seen a Defensive break down, I hope it’s work in progress.
I think the NFL should
Allow a team to activate (an inactive) player durring the game if a player is injured and can’t return. Perhaps stipulate that the injured player must be in-active the following week (game) so teams don’t fake an injury in order to activate a player. Just an idea.
Like your picks to make the team, hopoe your right. I like what I’ve seen of both gamble and walters.
I still don't understand why even having the inactive list
It’s pointless.
by Its Mikey!! on Aug 29, 2011 5:24 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
historically
professional football rosters have been set in the low 40s. In the 70s the active # was bumped to the mid-40s. However, the inactives were added so that there was a sort of “short term IR” for injured players or for plyers who weren’t ready to play. In addition, it allowed the NFL to keep more players from the alternate leagues like the AFL and WFL.
So don’t think of the roster as a 53 man roster and you get screwed out of 7 players on game day, think of it as 46 man roster and you get 7 bonus players!!!
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 30, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone but Kory
Gets a link. Where’s the link love for Kory?
by TennesseeTuxeD'Oh! on Aug 29, 2011 6:09 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
John obviously hates him. I fixed it.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 29, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
why
are you taking Bentley out and not Gachkar any reasoning behind it?
NEXT...
need to put a little line through Binn, Dave – LS
Any other name veterans not going to make the cut?
Cesaire is the most likely.
Mooch has also been mentioned, but I don’t see how they cut him loose.
Gregory has been pretty quiet this pre-season and Stuckey looked real good against the 2s and 3s in Arizona.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 30, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think they can cut Gregory
If Sanders goes down he’s the only guy capable of stepping in. Stuckey has looked pretty good but still doesn’t have the experience to be trusted, IMO.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
by aesimpleton on Aug 30, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Line through Binn
because his skills aren’t that important and he can be replaced easily? We certainly saw the truth in that last year.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
Well I was wrong about that...
They did release him. This hat is tasty ketchup.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
by QLFixBoy on Aug 30, 2011 5:14 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
How you and Acee differ
Acee was WR Walters out, LB Bentley out, and DL Nwagbuo out. Replacing them are Summers at FB, Bird at LB, and Wallace at Safety. Link.
I know we all love Acee and he’s usually right 100% of the time, but I think/hope he is wrong on all of these.
#feelinacertaintypeofway
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