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Who's the Real "Dream Team"?: The Defensive Line/Pass-Rushers

Each day, I've been taking a different position group and comparing the San Diego Chargers to the "Dream Team" that the Philadelphia Eagles have assembled. Today, in trying to compare the defensive lines, I've made the decision to group the Chargers OLBs in since otherwise we wouldn't be comparing pass-rushers. As usual, if you have an issue with this....well, find a better way to do it and I'll consider it.

 

DEs: Jason Babin, Trent Cole
DTs: Mike Patterson, Cullen Jenkins

This is a good line. Statistically, this could be a great line. Mike Patterson is everything you could want from a DT, a sturdy and typically-healthy run-stopper that commands double teams. Cullen Jenkins has spent the last few years as a monster DE in the Packers 3-4 defense, and could contribute as a run-stopped and a pass-rusher as well (7 sacks last season!).

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I've been convinced, since living in Philadelphia myself, that Trent Cole is the most underrated defensive player in football. Season after season he plays all 16 games and can be counted to finish each year with double-digit sacks and solid run-stopping ability. When Cole gets brought up, I always have the urge to give him the overused nickname "Mr. Consistency." Despite rarely having a secondary pass-rusher on the team, Cole always seems to get to the QB.

Jason Babin, once a prospect and then a bust and now a success, inked a 5-year $27.7 million contract with the Eagles in hopes to take some pressure off of Cole. Whether or not Jason will be able to repeat his 2010, when he finished with 58 tackles and 12.5 sacks for the Tennessee Titans, is debatable considering he had six years of mediocrity prior to that season.

 

OLBs: Shaun Phillips, Larry English/Travis LaBoy
DEs: Luis Castillo, Corey Liuget/Jacques Cesaire
DT: Antonio Garay

If we're doing a player-to-player comparison, Shaun Phillips and Trent Cole essentially knock each other out. Cole might put up slightly better pass-rushing numbers, but Phillips is asked to do more in the 3-4 defense and does so very well.

Castillo matches up well with either of the DTs, but isn't significantly better than either of them. In the last three seasons, Luis has gotten better at staying on the field (45 games played) but has nearly fallen out of the box score. Offenses have been focused on stopping him but, with Garay making a name for himself in 2010 and Liuget hopefully asking for some attention at the other DE spot, that could change. Let's say that Luis knocks out Mike Patterson. If you disagree and think Patterson is better than Castillo, then we can go ahead and factor in the seizure Patterson suffered a few weeks ago. There, even.

For comparison-sake, I want to match Antonio Garay up with Jason Babin. Sure, Garay's struggles before 2010 were mostly due to injuries, but both guys essentially played at a Pro Bowl level in 2010 after never having done so before. These guys aren't rookies either. They're both 31 years old. You're wondering right now how comfortable you would've been signing Antonio to a 5-year big money contract in the past offseason, aren't you? Me too. These guys knock each other out.

Since the Chargers have an extra player in this comparison, and we still have no idea what Larry English might be when healthy (or if he's even the starter), let's take him and LaBoy out of this equation. Deal? Deal.

That leaves a final tie-breaking comparison. Cullen Jenkins vs. Corey Liuget/Jacques Cesaire. Similar to English, we have no idea what Liuget might be or if he'll even be the starter. Cesaire is a rock at DE when he's called upon to be there, but he's no Cullen Jenkins (5-year, $30.3 million).

Winner - Eagles. This is one of those position groups where the Chargers could be as good, or better, than the Eagles. However, the five guys they task with bringing heat on the QB and being the first line of defense against the run are far greater unknowns than the fellas the Eagles threw big money at to do those jobs. Speculation does not top performance, unfortunately.

 

Running Tally:

The QBs - Draw
The RBs - Eagles
The TEs - Chargers
The WRs - Eagles
The O-line - Chargers

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I agree with your analysis

The unknown talent and starter factor is definitely what puts the Eagles over on this one. Although I’d like to revisit this and probably the whole series in week 10…by then there will be a definite winner in the team comparisons.

by Gorditoe1 on Aug 26, 2011 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Also

I think we got the real deal with Liuget…the way he played against the cowboys made me think BULLRUSHER. I’m honestly thinking he could have 10 plus sacks maybe even DPOY candidate.

by Gorditoe1 on Aug 26, 2011 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

except for the small fact that...

He’s not a rookie.

What odds are you giving? I can use the money!

by JYBaritone on Aug 26, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yet another example of why we need

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"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"

by aesimpleton on Aug 26, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. Sarcasm font is the bane of my existence.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 26, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know that

But I don’t understand it.

"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"

by aesimpleton on Aug 26, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vaugh martin

Has also looked impressive in the pre-season. He could see more playing time. I like the idea of rotating guys in and out to keep them fresh in the second half when defenses tend to wear down. The old “fresh legs” factor. Plus, you can never predict injuries (bite my tongue) so, having a reliable albeit not probowl caliber back-up is a big plus. Hows the depth in philly?

by irishlad on Aug 26, 2011 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Surprisingly good

A bunch of ex-starters (Trevor Laws, Darryl Tapp, Juqua Parker) that wouldn’t kill the team if they needed to be injury fill-ins, and will make the most of their opportunities.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seisure=lose. Lol.

Mean but kinda true.
I think with Garay being established and Liuget playing well, Castillo will have a great year.
He’s looked good in preseason, and I like what I see from Liuget in preseason too.
Oh, and I think Trent Cole is more than solid against the run. I believe FO has him in the top 10 for the last 3 years??

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by Superduperboltman on Aug 26, 2011 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

He's a backup

to Phillips, who almost never misses a snap.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

In my own messed up mind it’s been Phillips on one side and English/Barnes/LaBoy on the other side, in that order.

by Orz on Aug 26, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not according to everything I've seen

Phillips/Barnes and English/Laboy.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weird

Since Barnes and LaBoy have such similar skill-sets.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 26, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

read a couple

of these assessments and I’d say I agree with all except I believe TE is a draw due to the depth the eagles have with Harbor and Lee. Good job. I believe the Chargers will obviously win linebackers and safeties and the eagles will obviously win at corner which brings them to a tie. These two teams I believe should meet in the superbowl, but anything could happen

Its a shame these forums have too many "cheerleaders" and people who get most of their LOL "football knowledge" from the talking heads in the media, and not from individual study. How I wish there were more people with actual football acumen that can forward the conversation and advance the sport...

by Coach n um on Aug 26, 2011 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

McMichael and Sperry are pretty good depth

Behind the best TE in the league; many teams would be happy with those two as their starer and backup. It’s hard to find an argument that any team could compete with SD at the position.

"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"

by aesimpleton on Aug 26, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh, i agree that

They are good. But out of all the non starters Donald Lee is the best TE. IMO. And that’s why I think its a draw

Its a shame these forums have too many "cheerleaders" and people who get most of their LOL "football knowledge" from the talking heads in the media, and not from individual study. How I wish there were more people with actual football acumen that can forward the conversation and advance the sport...

by Coach n um on Aug 27, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I STILL CAN’T BELIEVE YOU CONCEDED A DRAW ON THE QBs!

I would rather have Rivers leading my team than Vick anyday. Vick is one hit away from being injured, he’s inconsistant, he got worn down last year, he runs to much……RIVERS RIVERS RIVERS!

by SDERA on Aug 26, 2011 9:05 PM PDT reply actions  

OLB/DE

where’s Shaun Philips? I heard he’s injured, is it all that serious?. Did you guys see Castillo get pushed around last game or did you not, idk what great year you guys are talking about?. I think you should have compared the secondary too, mine as well you know?. I also, don’t like how Chargers won O line and lost RB match ups. Idk about you guys, but I think it would have been better to rate players or D as a whole. All what I’m trying to say is, if every time somebody said this team is a dream team and we compared it this way, it would be too long/ inaccurate due to the strategy used, so I’m wondering if there’s a faster way to do this. btw John are you going to compare coaches too?. I hope to meet a couple of you guys at Landre’s sports bar, It’s my first time going there, used to work around that area.

by john1 on Aug 26, 2011 11:02 PM PDT reply actions  

The QBs – Chargers
The RBs – Eagles
The TEs – Chargers (and its not close)
The WRs – Eagles (slightly)
The O-line – Chargers (not close)

by SDERA on Aug 26, 2011 11:56 PM PDT reply actions  

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