What to Expect: Offensive Positions
One game into the preseason there are still several questions remaining about certain positions on the Chargers roster and numerous predictions surrounding the team. The defense is still starting to take shape, so it's hard to make too many predictions about the defense at this point, but the offense is fairly solidified at this point at least as far as starters go.
In this post, I'll visit the different groups on offense and make my predictions as to the sort of production that we can expect from those groups. I'll be making comparisons to players on other teams around the league to give a better idea of the quality of play we can expect from those positions since just pure numbers are hard to picture.
Running Backs: Mathews and Tolbert
This comparison could be startling to some of you, so please take a seat if you aren't already sitting down. In my expectations for the Chargers 2011 season I'm looking at shared time in the running game between two fairly young RB's: one who has more elusiveness and speed in the open field and one who is a bit lower to the ground and a bit heftier at 240+ pounds. This tandem that I am thinking of sounds a lot like Mathews and Tolbert, but wear Silver and Black and go by the names of McFadden and Bush. Here are their numbers from 2010 (from NFL.com):
| Name | Carries | Yards | Touchdowns |
| Darren McFadden | 223 | 1157 | 7 |
| Michael Bush | 158 | 655 | 8 |
I know that comparing a pair of Chargers running backs to a pair of Raiders running backs can seem sacrilegious, but it's a fair comparison in my opinion. McFadden is definitely the more explosive of the two running backs, although he does have some injury concerns. Bush, while not quite as explosive as McFadden, can still make some great plays in the running game when he gets into the secondary and shows decent shiftiness for his size. Both McFadden and Bush can run the ball up the middle and can also catch the ball and paired up for more than 60 receptions and 700 receiving yards out of the backfield.
I would expect roughly the same sort of distribution on the number of carries here for Mathews and Tolbert, with Mathews receiving the bulk of the carries, but Tolbert getting the majority of the red zone touches, and thus more TD's (just like Bush last season). However, the Chargers feature more of a pass-heavy offense with the running game still being important, but not featured as it was in Oakland last season. I'm looking for roughly 1600 yards between the two backs (Mathews will get more yards), with about 20 TD's split between the two (Tolbert getting more TDs).
Wide Receivers: Jackson and Floyd
This tandem is hard to find a comparison throughout the league, physically. Many analysts in the business have labeled this tandem the "Twin Towers" and for good reason: both guys stand 6'5" tall. Looking at the rosters around the league, having a 6'5" receiver is rare, let alone having two of them as your top 2 wide receivers. Not only are they tall, but they can both stretch the field, both have great hands, and both can make the spectacular catch that is occasionally required in this offense. Additionally, both players have spent nearly their whole career catching passes from Philip Rivers and developing the rapport that is required between the quarterback and wide receiver in an elite offense.
While it is hard to make this exact comparison and find an equal pair of receivers across the league, I think that Greg Jennings and Donald Driver of Green Bay last year had a 2010 regular season that we can expect from the "Twin Towers" this season. Here are their numbers from 2010:
| Name |
Receptions |
Yards |
Touchdowns |
| Greg Jennings |
76 |
1265 |
12 |
| Donald Driver |
51 |
565 |
4 |
Other than the physical traits, the comparison is pretty staggering. Both WRs pairs are catching from an up-and-coming elite QB, with one of the receivers coming into his own as one of the best in the league. The second receiver in both groups has had some injury issues and can fill is as a WR1 in a pinch, although is most likely best served as a secondary receiver.
These comparisons lead very well into the situation here with Jackson and Floyd. I think that in this offense, Floyd will put up a better yard per catch average than Driver did, as well as more yardage, and probably contribute a few more TDs (assuming he can stay healthy). Jackson won't miss a beat, and I would not be surprised to see him surpass 1,200 yards and achieve double digit TD's this season. All-in-all I would expect close to 2000 yards and over 16 TD's between the two of them.
Side note: The scariest part for opposing defenses is that even if these guys perform as described, they may not even be the leading receiver on the team if Gates can stay healthy. (recall that in 2009 Gates put up 1157 yards and 8 TDs and was on pace to surpass that last season before injury struck)
Offensive Line
There are several schools of thought when it comes to building an offensive line. Some teams attempt to go out in free agency and sign the best players at each position that they can, while others attempt to bring in young players and allow them to play together and grow together as a unit over several years. The Chargers subscribe to the latter formula.
If I had to choose a team that compared well in this category it would be the Tennessee Titans. The Titans have long had one of the better Offensive Lines in the league, as they have always focused on bringing in talent and cultivating that talent to grow into a unit under Offensive Line coach Mike Munchak's tutelage. (Oh by the way, Mike Munchak is now the head coach in Tennessee)
Tennessee drafted their current LT Michael Roos has started every game since being drafted in the second round in 2005, including the last 65 games at LT. Marcus McNeill has started 73 games at left tackle since being drafted in the second round in 2006. Tennessee has also had a bit of a shuffle with younger players along the interior line since the departure of Kevin Mawae at Center, and the Chargers have been shuffling around with some younger players in the interior of their line as well over the last few seasons. Both teams have also had a consistent starter at RT over the last 3 seasons: David Stewart in Tennessee and Jeromey Clary in San Diego.
I would expect the San Diego offensive line to continue to grow together as a unit in yet another year together. Currently the only question is at RG after Vasquez had a questionable first preseason game, but that is what the preseason is for, and I expect the same five starters from last season. Sacks are to be expected in this downfield passing game in San Diego, but I think this line will provide more than enough time for Rivers to have the most productive season of his career.
Why so positive?
Some may say that I am viewing the offense with rose-colored glasses, but first think about the fact that the Chargers led the league in total offense and passing yards last season. Then think about the fact that Vincent Jackson, Antonio Gates, and Malcom Floyd missed a total of 22 games between the 3 of them last season. With some luck on the health side of things, this offense can easily repeat as the top offense in the league again. With some added production and reliability from the running back position, the offense can border on unstoppable.
Well that's it for the first chapter of this series, in the next one I will visit the expectations we can have for the defensive positions, once more has been settled on that side of the ball.
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Why is everyone low on Vasquez?
The guy will be the starter, and there is nothing wrong with him at this point. He was brilliant his rookie season, and fine until he got hurt last season. This season he will become an anchor at the line if he stays healthy. Green is fine, but as a back up. He’s too small and inconsistent to be permanent.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Aug 17, 2011 11:41 AM PDT reply actions
I don't agree with those that are low on Vasquez either
Just mentioned that he had a rough first preseason game, but the preseason is there to get these guys back in the swing of things before the season starts. As mentioned in the article, I think we’ll have the same five starters from last season including Vasquez and we will see improvements in both the run blocking and pass protection.
There aren’t many men that can make Dielman and Hardwick look small, but Vasquez is one:

By everyone I assume SDB means me, because I was the most outspoken
I should note that I am not “down” on Vasquez, I said he was the best pick after the 09 draft. And I still believe this to be the case. My point of contention is he plays RG, as a RG he is supposed to be the best run blocker on the team. He might be the worst run blocker on the team, yeah I said it. Now all this isnt as important as it sounds considering he is very solid in pass pro and we are a down field passing team. Its just worth noting that Green isnt bad and is legitimately competing for the spot. I do not care if he’s six two or six five to me it makes almost zero difference for an interior linemen
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This is old news regarding Vasquez
Texas Tech maybe ran the ball twice all season when Vasquez was there.
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by Bolt Brother on Aug 17, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
And yet, according to Football outsiders,
runs off right guard yielded the highest ypc average.
Pass pro, he’s outstanding.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Aug 18, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping you'd just take my word for it, but since I'm untrustworthy...
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2009
and 2010
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
by Superduperboltman on Aug 18, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the McFadden/Bush vs. Mathews/Tolbert comparison
I never really thought about it from that angle, although I think that McFadden has shown more explosiveness than Mathews thus far, but he’s had more time.
I still remember Bush running through Tampa’s D for a 70 something yard touchdown the day I was at Raymond James, and while I’m not sure Tolbert’s got wheels like that I really like to watch him play and I think he’s a hammer inside with nimble feet and good hands out of the backfield. If we can just convince him to be a hammer instead of trying to bounce it outside, I think he’s going to have a big year!
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I think Tolbert has more speed than most give him credit for
which is why it’s hard to classify him as merely a power back, because he can make guys miss and burn some players with deceptive speed too. Remember back in 2009 when Tolbert took a short pass into a 66 yard touchdown? He’s got the wheels.
Mathews/Tolbert really are a great pair since they can both run inside, catch the ball, and make explosive plays. Neither back is a one-trick pony, and I look forward to a solid contribution from the pair this season. They are also both young players with low miles, which is tough to find in shared backfields elsewhere in the NFL.
Not sure I see 1600 yards for Mathews/Tolbert
At 4.0 yards per carry, they would tote the rock 400 times between them. Hester and Todman will get touches, so the number of carries could be north of 450. That many team rushes hasn’t been seen since LT’s heyday, when the Chargers were a run-first team. I don’t think they’re that kind of team anymore. Last year, Mathews/Tolbert had 340 rushes combined; Sproles and Hester had 76 more. The Chargers would have to run significantly more than last year. I guess it’s not outside the realm of possibility. I’m not convinced the OL is that effective run blocking.
Maybe if the Chargers are playing with the lead more, they will run more. Then again, they probably won’t average 4.0 ypc if they’re rushing the ball with the lead.
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No Sproles. Hopefully a better kicking game. More carries for both.
At 375 carries between the two, they’d need to average 4.2667 ypc.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 17, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
They both paired up for
1413 yards on 340 carries last season = 4.16 YPC
At that rate (assuming no improvement) it would only take 384 carries.
Sproles’ 50 carries from last season need to go somewhere, and Mathews and Tolbert will take that load. If you add that number to their load from last season that takes you to 390 carries already. And that’s with the offense having to give up on the run game because of special teams putting the team behind in games.
1600 yards really isn’t unattainable at all here, folks.
It's just a hunch
But I think Todman will get the lion’s share of touches that used to go to Sproles. Norvelous loves that change of pace, and it looks like Todman has the goods.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
No way do the 2011 Chargers average 4.0 per carry
If they did we’d be back in the LT hey days, and they should dominate the Offense calls. This year’s team will be lucky to average better than 3.0 yards per carry.
I agree its the O Line! The Chargers line is old. And the Chargers can’t run block very well; pretty good pass protectors. And really when you have this group of recievers and PR17… Why wouldn’t you pass every down?
by Trendsearcher on Aug 17, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Take a look at last season's numbers:
Tolbert: 182 Carries, 785 yards, 4.0 YPC
Mathews: 158 Carries, 678 yards, 4.3 YPC
Sproles: 50 Carries, 267 yards, 5.3 YPC
Interesting
Took those stats off of NFL.com and the YPC number for Tolbert actually isn’t right.
785 yards in 182 carries is actually a 4.3 YPC average. So all 3 backs averaged at least 4.3 YPC…I guess we’re back in the LT hey days…
Still over 4.0 YPC
People don’t give the run game enough credit here. Also keep in mind with Jackson back for a full season, and some luck on the health side of things, defenses will have to protect against the explosive passing game and open up the run game even more.
People expect to get the YPC average every play
That is, they want 4 plus yards every time we run. The fact is you pound the ball for a few yards at a time, and bust out a few 20+ yard runs to make the average. Sure, if you’re a ball-control running offense you want the 4 yards per run and are built to get it. But your pass pro is going to suffer for it.
You just can’t build a team that can give your QB the time to make 40+ yard passes and still provide 5 yards every time you run the ball. At a certain point you have to specialize, at least a little bit.
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Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
You are right
but this offensive line is pretty darn good at running the ball for how good they are at protecting Rivers.
And yes, YPC isn’t the best indicator of running success:
RB1: 1 yard, 2 yards, 0 yards, 1 yard, 16 yards
RB2: 4 yards, 6 yards, 3 yards, 4 yards, 3 yards
Both RB’s average 4 YPC, but do it in much different ways. RB1 can get the offense off schedule with small gains, while RB2 keeps the offense on schedule with reliable 3-4 yards every carry.
I’m pretty sure this is another reason to reference rankings like Football Outsiders because those sort of factors are taken into account.
That's essentially my point
People want to see that average every time you run, but it’s not going to happen for this team, or many other teams. What we have works well enough; it’s not like opponents are selling out against the pass. The run game is good enough to keep people honest and get yards. The big threat from our backfield is from screens, swing passes, and other ‘extended’ plays to the backs.
There is no question in my mind that the SD Oline is better at pass blocking, but they are good enough to get results in the run game. You just can’t have a great run game and Rivers on the same team. Rivers is too good to put it in somebody else’s hands too often.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Keep in mind
the Chargers were behind in a lot of games because of Special Teams, forcing them to abandon the run late in games and throw the ball to catch up. Even with that, Mathews and Tolbert still combined for over 1400 yards last season.
That is exactly the opposite of what Norv wants to do. Norv likes to run the ball inside the red zone, he likes to run to set up play action, and he likes to run to close out games. If this offense is as explosive as expected, it’s not at all unreasonable to expect that rushing yardage to creep closer to 1600 yards between the two of them.
Excellent point on Norv and how he stubbornly commits to the run game in the red zone.
He’s almost Martyesque . Hopefully he will be more creative this year. Who knows? Maybe we will see touchdowns as opposed to field goals.
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by Bolt Brother on Aug 17, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I like this
he stubbornly commits to the run game in the red zone.
and
Hopefully he will be more creative this year.
It’s third and goal. Sproles enters the game as the lone setback. Rivers is back to pass. No, it’s a draw to Sproles. He’s stuffed for a 2 yard loss. On comes the field goal unit.
But Norv doesn’t have Sproles any more. Will he do this with Todman?
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I hope the 'Critical Down Draw Play'
Has been stricken from the playbook.
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by Natrone Means Business on Aug 18, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Judging by the fact that we haven't seen it in preseason
I would say that Norv is saving it for a very crucial time in a game so that it can get stuffed then instead of in the preseason.
It might work the first time he uses it
if he uses it against the Raiders.
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hey, does anyone know about the health status of Gates? Did he ever recover from his injury last year? thanks.
he has plantar fasciitis
which pretty much means his foot will be jacked up for as long as he plays football. he hasnt missed an meaningful game yet that I can remember though
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can't wait
for what you got to say about defense.
By the way,
Has there been an official BFTB apology issued to V Jax yet. I believe 86.998% of BFTB members had said that this guy is an embarrassment and had seen his last days as a Charger.
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, then you will be fired with enthusiasm. Vince Lombardi
I wont be issuing that apology
I’m on record saying the Bolts should re-sign him
That being said, there was a period of time where things started to look pretty bad. The whole holdout issue last season was severely mishandled by both sides, and I think they both see that now. It did nothing but hurt all parties involved.
The key right now for Jackson is to continue being a great teammate, and stay out of trouble off the field. If he does, he will get his payday…hopefully it comes in San Diego, and I think it will.
Why?
He acted like a fool.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
by aesimpleton on Aug 18, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do believe VJax is an embarassment, mainly to himself
That doesn’t necessarily mean I want him gone. But if he’s on the team, he needs to be available for duty, not suspended by Roger Goodell for a third DUI. Otherwise, he’s a liability because you can’t count on him: you don’t know when he will go on a toot and get arrested.
VJax needs to develop his responsibility and maturity. This is easy for us common folks to understand. You go to the club, you get a snootfull, you call a limo for a ride home and have your posse get your car for you. Okay, I understand regular Joes get arrested for DUI every day. Their DUIs are just as wrong as NFL player DUIs. The difference is, these guys can afford to pay for a ride, and they have an obligation to their teammates to do so. In fact, it would be in the Chargers’ interest to pay for their players to get rides home.
Are Marlon McCree and Antonio Cromartie the same person? Just askin'.
In fact, it would be in the Chargers’ interest to pay for their players to get rides home.
I believe the Chargers have/had that program in place, but have said they don’t like to use it because they think it’s AJ’s tool to keep an eye on them and that he will use that ammo against them in contract negotiations…at least I think thats what I heard somewhere when all this was going on.
Since when has being a beast WR
and an embarrassment as a teammate/human being been mutually exclusive?
by Natrone Bomb on Aug 18, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Inclusive, I'd say.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
There hasn't and there won't be.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 21, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, alrighty then.
That makes you, me, and Jerome B members of the 13.002% that appreciate and recognize a beast at receiver when we have one. On a side note, don’t take up sports gambling, your way to optimistic. This O line gave up 5 sacks against Denver. Teams scheme to attack our right side and there was nothing done personnel wise to shore up our right side. Individually Hardwick, Vasquez, and Cleary look nice on paper. But collectively, they are the target of the defensive gameplan. Its simple for the opposition, load up the right side and send blitzers to occupy poor blocking running backs.
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For Gods Sake,
You wrote that article in May of this year. I’m talking a year ago when the “Oh my god I met AJ Smith in the parking lot crew” was killing this guy for what many a great athlete had done before him, holdout because they felt underpaid. Instead they chose to focus on his DMV record and his dislike for penalty flags. I don’t know now maybe you were in the that misinformed 86.998% crew.
Great article though.
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, then you will be fired with enthusiasm. Vince Lombardi
by Bolt Brother on Aug 17, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure that all of that 86.998% believed that Vincent was an embarrassment
but that he wasn’t worth a long term deal at the time because the risk was too high. It was also a time when VJ’s agents had been tearing up AJ Smith in the media, which isn’t good for business either. Things didn’t look good at the time, but I think cooler heads have prevailed…or at least the hot heads have cooled off for now.
We’ll see about that right side of the line, you make it seem like you have it figured out, yet only cite one team that took advantage of it last season. If it truly was that much of a weakness, you would have seen 16 teams exploit the right side of the line.
I think I did see 16 teams and some of them succesfuy exploit our right side
We finished 9 and 7 and missed the playoffs in a weak division. Our offense in the first half of games we lost was quite less than stellar and Phillip didn’t have much time back there, the Rams looked like the 85 Bears in last years game. Hey when we are in max protection, down 21 in the fourth quater and defense is in dime packages Rivers was a beast, but when opposing defenses were in 7 and 8 man fronts Phillip had very little time. The reason? Poor right side communiation and, in my opinion, a lack of athleticism in Vasquez and Cleary.
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, then you will be fired with enthusiasm. Vince Lombardi
Uhmm
but when opposing defenses were in 7 and 8 man fronts Phillip had very little time.
I think any QB in the league will have very little time when there are 2 or 3 more rushers than offensive linemen. It’s called a blitz. If the right side of the line was really that bad, would the Chargers have been the league’s #1 offense? The right side may not be as good as the left, but it’s better than a lot of lines in the league.
I’m not saying by any means that I don’t feel that the right side of the line can improve, I just have a hard time agreeing when you say that the right side of the line was the reason they went 9-7 and missed the playoffs.

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