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Chargers Lose to Seahawks, 24-17

One game is now under the Chargers belts for the 2011-12 season, with hopefully 21 or 22 games left remaining. Here are my quick thoughts on the game:

  • Philip Rivers might be the greatest QB that ever lived when he isn't going up against a good pass rush. Tonight, in facing an incredibly vanilla defense from the Seahawks, El Capitan posted a perfect 158.3 QB Rating while completing all but one of his six passes.
  • Jordan Todman, who was the only Chargers RB with an average of more than 2.5 yards per carry, looked very good with the ball in his hands. I like what he brings to the ground game, but am wondering why he's not getting a shot at returning kicks yet.
  • Vincent Jackson's 48 yard catch was the highlight of the night, and showed that the chemistry between him and Rivers on deep passes is still as good as ever.
  • Bryan Walters, who is a fan favorite as a Wide Receiver, probably opened a few eyes with his 103-yard kick return TD. Walters, who was probably behind Marcus Gilchrist, Patrick Crayton and Antoine Cason on the depth chart for that role, can really throw a wrench in things if he can have similar success in the other preseason games.

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  • The Special Teams was good, but not great. They're tough to judge in the preseason, but Bisaccia looked pleased.
  • I blame Gilchrist's muffed punt on nerves. The kid is going to be really special when he gets the ball in his hands.
  • Darryl Gamble turned into Antwan Barnes for a game, but didn't face Russell Okung at all. He'll need to keep that up to make the team, but the first step was getting himself on the map of the media and the fans. He certainly did that tonight.
  • Bront Bird looked exactly as I suspected from watching him in practice. He's too big to be trying to catch RBs in the middle of the field. If he makes the team, I hope he's great at Special Teams.
  • First-round pick Corey Liuget looked for real (see what I did there?). Good speed and athleticism will make up for the few times he's out of position. I was surprised to see him playing as much NT as he played, though.
  • Ramon Broadway had an interesting game. He's going to need a new chin-strap.
  • I like the look of the defense with Bob Sanders in there. It looked dynamic, which is an element that's been missing, and very aggressive. Sanders and Spikes are going to make a lot of plays.
  • Scott Tolzien looked real good once he got into a rhythm and calmed down. Maybe the Seahawks will trade the Chargers a 3rd round pick for him. They could certainly use an accurate QB.

Make sure you check out High Boltage Radio on XTRA Sports (1360AM if you're in San Diego, or listen online, or listen on your smartphone with the I Heart Radio app) on Saturday morning from 11am to Noon. I won't be involved with this week's show (it's the only one I'll ever miss, hopefully), but I watched tonight's game with Steve Adler specifically so he could get my feedback and perspective on the game and can maybe factor that in during the show. Oh, and Steve will be taking your Chargers calls during the hour. Don't let Steve be lonely, give him a call.

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Any of the other returners could have had similar success on that return IMO

It was blocked incredibly well…not taking anything away from Walters, he showed great vision and balance on the return.

But it’s a better indicator of improved special teams as a whole as opposed to Walters being the best of the options at returner.

by jkvandal on Aug 11, 2011 9:53 PM PDT reply actions  

He did break a tackle.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 12, 2011 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya, that was impressive

Insert advanced emoticon here >:-)

by theGEN3RAL on Aug 12, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I got lucky

and scored some last second tix to the game. It’s tough to tell against the 2/3rd teamers, but I was sure he was going down, that was really amazing balance.

I’m trying not to get excited about Gamble, I’m still sad about Lang flaming out…

The play of chance and probability within which the creative spirit is free to roam. -von Clausewitz 'On Football'

by Brian (DaBolts) on Aug 12, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

And he may have broken a tackle, but my point is that any of the other returners cld have done the same, IMO. He’s got 3 more preseason games to state his case

by jkvandal on Aug 12, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Todman impressed me after one game

I’ve been skeptical about the guy ever since I saw him on the field in practices…and he looked better tonight.

Still, it’s hard for me to see him being better at anything than Mathews/Tolbert to warrant him being on the field over them.

by jkvandal on Aug 11, 2011 9:57 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

619-570-1360

Talk to you Saturday. LOL

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by Steve Adler on Aug 11, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't recognize the phone number for a radio station?

When I was a kid, the number to the radio station was always 619-570-(number on dial). Not so true anymore, but apparently some are still old-school like that.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 12, 2011 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Usually

They even grab up the surrounding area codes, so you can just dial the last 7 digits if you are within a reasonable distance.

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by Wonko on Aug 12, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo!

You can call from 858/619/760

Steve Adler
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by Steve Adler on Aug 13, 2011 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I liked Gamble

hope he pans out

On the other hand, you have different fingers.

by Hormel on Aug 12, 2011 12:35 AM PDT reply actions  

But seriously, I hope that if we keep him, he pays off.

by Its Mikey!! on Aug 12, 2011 2:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gamble is a risk probably worth the reward

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."

by Superduperboltman on Aug 12, 2011 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

iseewhatyoudidthar

6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.

That was fast.

by SD FTW on Aug 12, 2011 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gamble spent too much time gambling

Two penalties. With his situation I suppose he has to do everything he can to make an impact. Seemed a bit wreakless to me. Nice that he made some plays too. Way undersized.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 12, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you’re right about the penalties, but way undersized?

D. Ware 6’ 4", 262
Gamble 6’ 2", 255
J. Harrison, 6’, 242

The play of chance and probability within which the creative spirit is free to roam. -von Clausewitz 'On Football'

by Brian (DaBolts) on Aug 12, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

if he plays his cards right...

He might just make picking roster spots a little bit more interesting. Ha! Let the puns continue!

"Well, he ought to go home and find somebody else to bang." Jerry Coleman

by cubbuster on Aug 12, 2011 5:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

He was good

In last nights game Gamble showed me more upside than English has in his entire career with the chargers.

by sdpads24 on Aug 12, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

where is the run,

and for that matter, where is the run defense. We couldn’t get more than 2 yards from scrimmage, and I don’t have the stats, but they seemed to average 5 or 6. Decent pass blocking by our line, and excellent pass rush. Is this a fluke?

by MDcharger on Aug 12, 2011 6:35 AM PDT reply actions  

RUN MOAR

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Destroying your facts with opinions

by justdave on Aug 13, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish...

Liuget’s number was 2

"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."

...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs

i go ham

by notorioushbi on Aug 12, 2011 7:01 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Or 92, at least.

Come on, VM! Do the trade!

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 12, 2011 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

O line mediocre

We still can’t run the ball. Tolbert lost 2 yards on his first carry and lost one on his second carry. Mathews got 4 yards on first carry and one on his second one. The defense did look pretty good early with the starters. I see the refs are in preseason mode too. That sure looked like pass interference there jiust before we settled on a field goal. I know the reciever thought so. And the holding call on Liuget? The tv announcers said they didn’;t see any holding. Perhaps they called the wrong number. Too many offsides, I know preseason and the guys were jumpy.

by irishlad on Aug 12, 2011 8:17 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I saw several holds

That didn’t get called.

6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.

That was fast.

by SD FTW on Aug 12, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

also

on the one kick or punt (I forget) they called seattle for holding when I clearly saw a block in the back that didn’t get called. Right in the middle of the field, right in front of the returner.

by irishlad on Aug 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I saw that block in the back too

No one else around. The defender was beat and the Charger had a clear path to the returner, and he was the closest guy to the returner. Pretty obvious. I guess it is pre-season for the Refs too.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 12, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

I am just sort of hoping that the threat of having VJ, AG, and MF all out wide will open up some running lanes inside.

Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.

by CaDuck on Aug 12, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep no changes in the O-Line

… probably gonna get the same (or worse) rushing results as last year. I didn’t like the rushing last night either.

Hard to tell on a preseason game though. Maybe Norv was holding back. Manusky sure wasn’t holding back. Nice to see some of those formations last night.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 12, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

yep, starters looked pretty good

Yeah, the starting defense looked pretty good. Coverage was good, good pressure on the qb, decent containment on the run. Then at the end with all the camp fodder, they went into zone coverage and got picked apart.

by irishlad on Aug 12, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not too impressed with Tolzien

Just one game, but he had a lot of bat downs. It seems like he’s adjusting to the height and size of these NFL lines. One of the bat down was really a pass at the numbers on the defender’s jersey. I think big part of Tolzien’s college success must have come from passes in throwing lanes. These NFL lines don’t give you many opportunities like that. I think he’ll need to change his game.

He’ll either need to take deeper drops, or move out of the pocket. That is was Flutie and Brees had to do. Not having that off season coaching really shows in Tolzien’s game right now.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 12, 2011 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

True, but he's still way ahead of where Crompton was at this point last year

Which isn’t saying much, but that’s without the benefit of a full offseason. He’s clearly very smart and can pick things up fast…that being said, he doesn’t really have the prototypical size of an NFL QB.

 Sure there are some shorter QBs that are successful, like Brees, but I think it’s more a case of Brees making himself a great QB in spite of his smaller size, and not the smaller size that makes him a good QB. For every Brees there are probably 100 QBs that couldn’t make the cut at the NFL level because their passes hit NFL linemen on the shoulder-pads, like we saw last night.

by jkvandal on Aug 12, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the flip side

KC looks terrible in their preseason game right now

by jkvandal on Aug 12, 2011 6:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Especially since they're not taking it seriously.

No Cassell, no Charles.

Preseason means something if the team is rebuilding, or if it’s fielding its starters against a team that’s doing the same (like the first 3 series of our game).

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 13, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

There was no solace-taking going on

but thanks for keeping me on the right path

by jkvandal on Aug 14, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

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