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2011 San Diego Chargers Position Battles

I'm planning on eventually doing a post for each one of these battles later in camp, but for right now I thought it'd be useful to have a list of all of the position battles going on at Chargers Park. As a note, when I refer to a player as a "camp body" it doesn't mean they have no chance to make the team. It simply means that they are going to need a great camp, preseason and maybe a few injuries to go their way to make the team.

RB3 (Third-Down Running Back, Back-Up Running Back)

In the Running:
Brandon Sullivan
Jordan Todman
Curtis Brinkley

In the Lead: Jordan Todman

Camp Bodies: 
Frank Summers (FB)
Kenny Younger (FB)
Patrick DiMarco (FB)
Isaac Odim

Free Agents Still Available (that might fit):
Correll Buckhalter
Ricky Williams

Notes: Despite the fact that he's the smallest RB on the Chargers roster at the moment, everyone should take a look at the stats and awards Mr. Todman comes along with. In 2010, he ran for 1,574 yards on 302 carries (5.2 YPC)  and 14 rushing touchdowns. He was recognized as the Big East Offensive Player of the Year, was a Rivals and Sporting News 1st Team All-American, and an AP 2nd Team All-American. Long story short, this kid can run. That, along with his good hands and skills as a Return Specialist, gives him the inside track on the rest of the guys listed. The Chargers will likely not carry a FB behind Jacob Hester, because of Mike Tolbert's experience there, unless he an absolute dynamo on Special Teams.

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WR3 (3rd Wide Receiver, Slot Wide Receiver)

In the Running:
Richard Goodman
Vincent Brown
Kelley Washington
Seyi Ajirotutu

In the Lead: Seyi Ajirotutu

Camp Bodies:
Adrian Cannon
Cameron Kenney
Vidal Hazelton
Bryan Walters
Travon Patterson
Giovanni Stanley

Free Agents Still Available (that might fit):
Malcom Floyd
Legedu Naanee
Mark Clayton

Notes: Each of the four guys in the running has a good chance to make the team, and they all easily could with an injury higher up on the depth chart. Floyd will probably get a better contract elsewhere. Naanee (who I believe I spotted at a Padres game on Wednesday) might not find a better landing spot, but the team might not want him back. I like the Clayton fit a lot, especially with Patrick Crayton and Vincent Jackson both facing free agency in 2012, because he still has starting potential. Don't overlook how solid Kelley Washington was when he needed to play WR in 2010, he's like a Malcom Floyd clone in terms of what he can do on the field.

 

TE3 (3rd Tight End)

In the Running:
Dennis Morris
Brad Taylor
Kory Sperry

In the Lead: Kory Sperry

Camp Bodies:
None (unless you count Morris and Taylor)

Free Agents Still Available (that might fit):
Brandon Manumaleuna
Desmond Clark
Brad Cottam

Notes: As I told jkvandal at practice yesterday, there's a reason Morris and Taylor are wearing numbers #45 and #46 and Sperry is sporting #82. The first two guys are essentially taller fullbacks, and Sperry's like a big WR. Sperry was also on the team last year, appearing in 7 games and catching 4 balls for 73 yards. The year before he was cut at the end of training camp with the Chargers, and eventually had a decent (but brief) stint as the Dolphins' TE (he even started 1 game). That means he has parts of three seasons (counting this one) in Norv Turner's system, and has the best hands of the TEs on the roster not named Antonio Gates or Randy McMichael. If Gates doesn't get healthy enough to start practicing with the team in a few days, I wouldn't be surprised to see Manumaleuna back in blue-and-gold.

 

RG (Starting Right Guard)

In the Running:
Louis Vasquez
Tyronne Green
Brandyn Dombrowski

In the Lead: Louis Vasquez

Camp Bodies:
None. Seriously. Everyone listed as a Guard on the Chargers Training Camp roster is going to make the team. That list includes Dombrowski, Scott Mruczkowski, Vasquez, Kris Dielman and Tyronne Green.

Free Agents Still Available (that might fit):
None that would be cheap enough.

Notes: This is going to be a strange battle. Vasquez has the most upside, but Green seems better at staying healthy. With the long-term signing on Jeromey Clary and the Steve Schilling draft pick, Dombrowski seems to have some pressure on him to have a good camp. If the coaches give him a chance at RG (where he played in 2009), he could catch up to Green and be in that group of "Talented guys waiting for Vasquez to get hurt again". More likely, though, is that he stays as the backup OT and Schilling goes to the practice squad.

 

RDE (Starting Right Defensive End)

In the Running:
Corey Liuget
Jacques Cesaire
Vaughn Martin

In the Lead: Corey Liuget

Camp Bodies:
Carl Ihenacho
Damik Scafe
Mike Blanc

Free Agents Still Available (that might fit):
Travis Johnson

Notes: Unfortunately, there's probably not enough room on the roster for Travis Johnson to return unless some of the DEs (including Luis Castillo and Ogemdi Nwagbuo) start getting seriously injured. Liuget and Cesaire are both not participating in practice yet, Corey due to contract negotiations and Cesaire due to the odd "Unrestricted Free Agents cannot participate in practice until a week before the first preseason game" rule. Martin looks to be taking advantage, but there's certainly a pecking order here. It's Liuget's spot unless he's really late, in which case it would go back to Jacques.

 

ROLB (Starting Weak-Side Outside Linebacker)

In the Running: 
Antwan Barnes
Travis LaBoy
Larry English

In the Lead: Antwan Barnes

Camp Bodies:
Darryl Gamble
Bront Bird

Free Agents Still Available (that might fit):
Matt Roth
Tully Banta-Cain

Notes: Barnes had an impressive 11 game run with the Bolts last year, showing himself to be a very dangerous pass-rusher off of the weak side. He'll get a chance to keep that spot, but don't sleep on LaBoy (who came to San Diego from Greg Manusky's 49er defense last season). That's a big guy who knows how to get to the Quarterback as well, and his knowledge of the defense could help him. English, as per usual, is working his way back from injury and not playing with the team yet, missing a good opportunity to impress the coaches for a few days before the UFAs are allowed to practice.

 

ILB (Starting "Mike" Inside Linebacker)

In the Running:
Jonas Mouton
Donald Butler

In the Lead: ???

Camp Bodies:
Kion WIlson
Jeremy Leman

Free Agents Still Available (that might fit):
Lofa Tatupu
Kirk Morrison

Notes: There's a handful of LBs on the Training Camp roster that are stuck in limbo between "In the Running" and "Camp Bodies" for these starting LB spots. Among them: James Holt, Andrew Gachkar and the included-above Kion Wilson. These guys could make the team for their Special Teams skills, but won't be starting any time soon. Morrison seems like a perfect fit for the Chargers, but the Jaguars are pushing hard to keep him. Mouton is a rookie and Butler went on IR before the first pre-season game in 2010 (his rookie year), so this is really a competition between unknown "rookies". Mouton, being the higher pick and having played football last season, would seemingly have the edge.

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Initial concerns with Todman

I get that as a rookie he might have trouble finding/timing the holes up the middle.

But the knocks at not being able to get the edge? It doesn’t read like he’s got the speed to play at this level. Hope I’m wrong.

by Trendsearcher on Aug 1, 2011 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

The issue is

Nobody else really has that speed on that list. Maybe Brinkley.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 1, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

What do you think John?

Brandon Sullivan looks like he can contribute on Special Teams so doesn’t that give him an edge? He caught 26 balls last season for nearly 400yds and 3 TDS for the Aztecs last season and was one of the best blockers on the team. Plus he is the home town kid!!!

by FOOTBALLFAN777 on Aug 1, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea where you got all of that from. College RBs are almost never asked to block and I’ve never seen him on Special Teams.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 1, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was a fullback.

Those guys block all the time.

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by Wonko on Aug 1, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not

Sullivan was the FB while Ronnie Hillman was the RB last year.

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by Wonko on Aug 1, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

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by John Gennaro on Aug 1, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, I don't know where those numbers came from

Here’s his ESPN page. Exactly 300 carries in his 4 years at SDSU. Most of that padded by his time at RB his sophomore year when every RB on the team got hurt.

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by Wonko on Aug 1, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sullivan going to surprise people

I really think he has the all around skills to make this team and surprise a lot of people…. Another nice write up on him http://pathtothedraft.com/?p=3414 Gotta love the team 1st attitude this kid has!!!

by FOOTBALLFAN777 on Aug 1, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome to San Diego, sir.

Perhaps you’d be interested in learning about the local sports teams.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 1, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is welcome to SD directed at me?

I have been in SD since 1980 and follow SD sports

by FOOTBALLFAN777 on Aug 1, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. If you click "up" on a comment it'll show you what it was a reply to.

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by Richard Wade on Aug 1, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good

I got my feelings hurt for a second….thought you didn’t think I knew anything about SD sports…..lol

by FOOTBALLFAN777 on Aug 1, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, the funny part about the comment

Was that it was meant for John, who runs the site.

6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.

That was fast.

by SD FTW on Aug 2, 2011 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lol

Well I think he is doing a great job…..but I do think Sullivan has a better shot of making team then Todman….. I think he brings a better overall package to the Chargers

by FOOTBALLFAN777 on Aug 2, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lets not give John too much credit

He finds hiding comments funny.

I wish I could go to training camp and see how everyone is performing. Since I can’t I don’t have much else to contribute.

6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.

That was fast.

by SD FTW on Aug 2, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

don't believe the hype

Rich was TOTALLY referring to you man….bummer

by Gorditoe1 on Aug 2, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sullivan was the starting RB at SDSU in 2008 and 2009

Until Hillman was on the team, then they moved him to fullback, however he still played tailback a bit in single back formations on passing downs.

by Grey Suit on Aug 2, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here is a qoute from OL from SDSU about Sullivan and his blocking

Quote from SDSU OT about Brandon Sullivan: “I know that after every game, I thank for him for picking up whatever has spilled over the sides,” said tackle Tommie Draheim. "I’d bet he could step in and play tackle every game and work his (butt) off at it.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/dec/19/sdsus-sullivan-reshaping-legacy/

by FOOTBALLFAN777 on Aug 1, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I had that concern watching his highlights. He looked more like Tolbert than Sproles.

A couple of the long runs, you’d see him smash through some poor linebacker who had no shot at the NFL, then watch the SS try to arm-tackle him before he plows into the FS and carries him forward a bit. Fun watching, looks good, but ain’t happening in the NFL, not at his size.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 1, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

6th round pick. Still has a shot to pan out. Can't be too too critical....

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 1, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

he is a sixth round pick, if he turns into anything at all its a plus.

by JeromeB on Aug 1, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

ooooooooooooooh

i’m telling Tom Brady…

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by justdave on Aug 1, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

ooooooooh

I’m telling the 17,321 guys that never turned into anything more than camp fodder.

Brady was a plus as a sixth round pick in my mind.

by JeromeB on Aug 1, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sold on him either

What he does have working for him though, is that he can catch.

by jkvandal on Aug 1, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah. That's only important if he's fast.

It’s nice to have a screen weapon, but unless he’s got Sproles-like quickness, he’s not preferable to what we’ve got.

Crayton is mobile, and his presence doesn’t scream “screen play!” He’s got great hands, and will pretty much always draw just one man.

Hester is powerful if he can square up before contact, and if he can get in space so he only contacts one guy. It would be hard to throw to him with Mathews in; you’d rather see Tolbert blocking.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 1, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you will see Hester catch a lot of screens

1.) The defense will always be focused on the other back in the game when he is in (Tolbert and Mathews both deserve more attention)
2.) He’s not terrible with the ball in his hands.

Prediction: We’ll see a lot more double screens this season, with Hester getting more catches and getting decent gains out of them (6-10 yards). But don’t be expecting him to break 60 yard TDs like Sproles did.

by jkvandal on Aug 1, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

He’ll be a bigger part of the offense than ever before.

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by aesimpleton on Aug 1, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Sullivan

Seems to me like Sullivan from SDSU has been gaining ground in the 3rd down RB race…. Blocks great, catches the ball out of backfield, proved he can get the short yards and seemed to be getting a ton of reps on Special Teams the last 2 practices.

by FOOTBALLFAN777 on Aug 1, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

his number is 40

which leads me to believe he will be twice as good as Barry Sanders.

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by justdave on Aug 1, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kirk Morrison would be cool to have.

Anyone who spikes a ball after tagging out a douche like Andres Torres is OK by me.

by MrDanielX on Aug 1, 2011 11:02 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope Frank the Tank is good on special teams

Seems like an interesting/fun guy to have around.

"Fast just got Faster"

by BFDC on Aug 1, 2011 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

For what it's worth

I considered calling him Gartrell Johnson until he got cut, but changed my mind because he seems like he can block a bit.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 1, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

You must be like water, Takeo-san.

I like the Karate Kid look for weddle, makes him look serious… in a disney movie sort of way. Sanders has the headband look too. We got a coupla Samurai Safeties in the Secondary.

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by QuesaDiaz on Aug 1, 2011 11:13 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

A long term look at the TE situation might be interesting also

Gates and McMichael are definately the present. But Gates chronic foot problems worried me. I think Gates’ new contract made me think the Charger’s brass were less worried about the foot than me, but it just doesn’t seem to go away. Gates is already one of the top TEs of all time. If the Bolts win a championship, could he think of hanging it up rather than dealing with the pain? I’m not sure, but seeing him on the PUP after not doing any football for 3-4 months is worrying.

It would be interesting to do a worst case scenario analysis. “What if Gates retires after this year?” or something like that.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 1, 2011 11:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah. But we won't know if they're doing that until it happens.

The truth is that TE is sort of a plug-and-play position: great TEs sometimes come out of nowhere (obviously, you don’t need an example). Right now, I suspect they’re grooming Kory Sperry, after he effectively beat out Kris Wilson for the position.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 1, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

sure

but I still wonder what the Smith/Turner ideal TE depth chart looks like? Is there a pass catcher and a blocker? like Gates and Manumaleuna? Or is it pass catchers all the way down? I actually think the blocker who can catch is probably harder to fill. Like a Pupunu or a Manumaleuna in his prime. Early in their careers, I think those big athletic guys are more apt to put on an additional 20 pounds and try to be LTs than to labor as an under appreciated blocking TE.

Or, like you said, do Smith/Turner see the TE like a 4th starter in a MLB rotation, in that you can find decent ones off the scrap heap every year? Its hard to say since we’ve had Gates at a HoF level for so long, we have no idea what they would do in the future when Gates is no longer around.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 1, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think they're a blocking TE team anymore.

I think the ability to field two TEs as weapons along with two TE-sized WRs is just thrilling. What back seven can cover that?

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 1, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

1) It's Jonas Mouton, not James.

2) Brandon Manumaleuna was a really good player, wasn’t he? He’s toast. If he’s coming back to San Diego, it’ll be on account of how good a place this is for a wealthy retiree.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 1, 2011 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I thought "James" seemed wrong

Meant to double-check, but it got lost in the shuffle. That’ll teach me to write at 9am.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 1, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

The auto tag should have all the rookies these days

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by Wonko on Aug 1, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

You wouldn’t take Manu as a 3rd TE? He fills that hole and the backup FB hole as well (assuming they’re done letting Tolbert block). His hands aren’t terrible and he’s effective in goal-line situations.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 1, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He was awful in Chicago last year.

AJ wouldn’t take him at the vet minimum, even back then.

Besides, we need to be ready to get younger at TE.

An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 1, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

What’s the benefit of getting younger at TE? Gates is going to be the starter for 6 more years.

Mike Martz’ offense barely recognizes that TEs exist (this is one reason Olsen was cut). I can’t fault him for that. For what he is, he’d make a fine 3rd TE.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 1, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gates is going to be the starter for 6 more years

Gates’ feet would like a word with you.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Aug 1, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gates has an injury history

Could be nothing, or not. Anyway, they’ll need a #2 receiving TE when McMichael retires or wears down.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 1, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not certain that missing the second half of one season can be considered a “history”.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 2, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

He plays better injured

Than almost all other TE’s do 100% healthy.

6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.

That was fast.

by SD FTW on Aug 2, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Manu was great in the Chargers offense

if he comes back at the vet minimum and can provide the team with the versatility he brought to the team before, then he would be a great 3rd TE.

BOOM!

by whatsapip on Aug 1, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by Steve Adler on Aug 1, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we trade Burnett and Cooper for Morrison and Spikes, I'll be happy.

But Morrison can charge more than Burnett… what’s the scoop on Kion Wilson as a defender?

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 1, 2011 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Don't know what the team thinks

I think of Kion as “Siler light”.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 1, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very light.

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by Wonko on Aug 1, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I liked the UDFA pick ups last year a lot

Kion Wilson was one of the UDFA. I felt pretty confident he and Tutu would make the team.

Wilson was a beast in college. He was a defensive captain and was a tackling machine. He may not be at the top of the depth chart, but he is a suitable back up and a quality special teams player.

by J Korber on Aug 1, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at Weddle with his headband pointing things out again.

I think we need to start calling him Sensei.

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by Wonko on Aug 1, 2011 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

call me crazy but....

i think AJ should go balls out and pick up kirk AND lofa….but that’s just me i’m an asshole

by Gorditoe1 on Aug 1, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

"YOU! PRO-BOWLER!

GET ON THE BENCH! We already have two Pro Bowlers in front of you!"

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by John Gennaro on Aug 1, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think they need to sign another WR

but since a few names were thrown out I think that Laurent Robinson would be a good fit if he has not already signed with someone.
Like John I think that Washington can still contribute at WR and not just on special teams.

by JeromeB on Aug 1, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I came really close to including Laurent Robinson on this list.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 1, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just realized something...

Man… Just how unlucky is Kasim Osgood? Special Team and WR; serious needs for 2 consecutive years after he left. He wanted to be a WR and he would have gotten the chance if he waited.

by Lightning Hobo on Aug 1, 2011 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

now

he plays in a not so talented team and does the same thing he was doing here before he left…..lose lose kassim,aside from your checks of course

by Gorditoe1 on Aug 1, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

On a team with even less WR depth

So maybe he wouldn’t have gotten the chance if he waited.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 1, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kassim Osgood is not an NFL level WR.

He’s an NFL level athlete, and then some, but if you want to be on the field on offense, you have to have one of four traits:

1) One of the 100 best people in America at throwing a ball;
2) Over 300 lbs;
3) Stout and tough enough to play RB;
4) Can catch.

Sadly, Kassim misses on all counts. And it’s too late in his career to move to defense. So he’s a special teamer.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 1, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Jaguars don't have any WRs either.

Th is their list: Jason Hill, Cecil Shorts, Tiquan Underwood, Mike Thomas, Kassim Osgood, Jarett Dillard and Nate Hughes.

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by Wonko on Aug 1, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, that's lame.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 1, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Randy Moss?

Even though he is a headache…..the guy is still one of the best deep threats in the game…… With him on one side and Vincent Jackson on the other could cause huge match up problems for teams….

by FOOTBALLFAN777 on Aug 1, 2011 5:29 PM PDT reply actions  

lol and retired

I know…..just throwing it out there

by FOOTBALLFAN777 on Aug 1, 2011 5:43 PM PDT reply actions  

great thread

hopefully you can keep updating this one as they get farther into camp

by Derek Snyder on Aug 3, 2011 4:35 AM PDT reply actions  

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