San Diego Chargers Draft Successes - #2 Shaun Phillips
This is a selection based on value, so value will be focused on in great detail. Be ready for me to toss random facts at you like "Of the 35 other players drafted in the same round as Shaun Phillips, only 14 are still in the NFL."
I would also make the point of showing you which players the Chargers drafted before and after Phillips in the 4th round to try and show you what a steal he was, but all that would do is outline maybe the best draft of all time. You want to see it anyway? Well, okay.
Oh, wait. First, I forgot, I'm supposed to be giving a shout out to our sponsor Bud Light. "Bud Light, it'll get you drunk!" Now, back to the draft.
My goodness that's a good draft. Out of it they got two potential Hall of Fame players (Philip Rivers and Shawne Merriman, traded along with the Nate Kaeding pick from the NYG to SD for Eli Manning), and at least 6 other players of "starter quality" (Igor Olshansky, Kaeding, Nick Hardwick, Shaun Phillips, Michael Turner, Shane Olivea).
Think about that for a second. A.J. Smith started the day with 9 draft picks. He ended the day with 8 "starters" and 2 potential Hall of Famers. That has to be the greatest draft of all time. I can't imagine any draft ever being any better....and maybe that's why the bar has been set so high for Smith's drafts. He set it high himself with the best draft ever.
Anyway, back to Shaun Phillips. Here are the draft picks taken before and after him:
Guss Scott, DB (NWE)
Landon Johnson, LB (CIN)
Reggie Torbor, LB (NYG)
Shaun Phillips, LB (SDG)
Carlos Francis, WR (OAK)
Alex Stepanovich, C (ARI)
Exactly. Do you see how hard it is to find starters, much less Pro Bowlers, in the 4th round of the NFL Draft? Let's pretend for a second that Jared Allen wasn't taken in the same round as Phillips (about 20 picks later), and it's even more amazing.
Here's an average season for Shaun: 60 or so tackles, 8.5 sacks, an interception (maybe with a TD?), about 5 defended passes and several forced fumbles. Oh, and impeccable health. That's what he can be relied upon for. Those numbers, which are already "fringe Pro Bowler"-worthy, and 16 starts a year.
The first time I talked to Shaun, I made a point to tell him that I thought he was the best all-around 3-4 OLB in the league. I know, it's unprofessional. I made myself out to be a fanboy. It was terrible, but I still think that. Shaun is an excellent pass-rusher, maybe an even better run-stopper and quite possibly the best coverage 3-4 OLB that has even started in the NFL. He's unbelievable, and his talent (and stats) tell me he should've been a first-rounder. Here's his career stat line:
108 games (80 starts), 56.5 sacks, 4 interceptions, 18 forced fumbles, 2 touchdowns, 32 passes defended and 382 tackles. He made his first Pro Bowl in 2010, although you could argue that his best seasons were 2006, 2007 and 2009.
The reason I have him ranked higher than someone like LaDainian Tomlinson is because he's turned out to be a player at least 3 rounds better than where the Chargers got him. That's not good value, that's tremendous value.
Also, and I'm purely putting this out there to play with your imagination, Phillips' athleticism and great hands lead to him playing TE in goal-line situations during his college career (Mike Vrabel-style). He caught two touchdown passes this way. Could he maybe become an offensive threat as well? No, probably not.
Shaun Phillips is signed to a very reasonable contract to stay with the Chargers through the 2012 NFL Season.
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This draft was absolutely insane.
I still cannot get over how productive this class has been. Just crazy.
Self anointed President of the Kenjon Barner fan club.
What a steal
We took some very good players in the mid rounds that year. As a side point, Carlos Joseph was a part of that draft as well. He was by far the worst member of it though, as even Krause had a small week 17 impact. It’s too bad about Krause as the dude was an athlete with potential but couldn’t stay healthy.
Damn
I was hoping nobody noticed that. I left him off because I didn’t remember him and it doesn’t even have a position listed for him. And his name is so vague! I thought they might have drafted a fake player just so that they didn’t have to sign another contract. 11 players is a lot.
Krause could’ve been a beast.
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
2011 Padres Record-When-I'm-There: 3-5
by John Gennaro on May 4, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't he an offensive lineman?
Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
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I thought he was a TE??
As a TE Krause had no chance to beat out Gates
by Trendsearcher on May 4, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant Joseph was an offensive lineman.
Bolts from the Blue // "I eat cereal out of a giant novelty wine glass because it makes me feel fancy." - Britney Wade
Bloody Elbow // "Everybody underestimates the kick in the groin." - Bas Rutten
Yes
I think he blocked for Dorsey at Miami.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Have to disagree on something
Shaun is actually a better pass rusher than run stopper. He plays the run well, nothing taken there, but he struggles against good TE’s and tackles. Still, I do agree on the coverage. I’ve watched a lot of OLB’s in coverage, few can match 95’s skillset. I just wish he was recognized for his greatness.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Next article: Scouting Greg Manusky, coming soon.
by Superduperboltman on May 4, 2011 11:27 AM PDT reply actions
I was tempted
and by that I mean tempted to eat some of that cake.
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by John Gennaro on May 4, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Calling Shawne Merriman a "potential Hall-of-Fame" player
Makes my brain hurt. You’re not wrong that he was a potential hall of famer early on. Now it’s a weird sentence to read.
This is gonna make your brain hurt more
Imagine that he just hasn’t been able to get healthy, but suddenly he does. Imagine if he goes back to the player he is, even for 2-3 more years. That makes him a HoFer, no? He’s shown he has the talent to be there, but he doesn’t have enough on his resume yet. The other guys on that list don’t have the talent (or are too old, they don’t have the time even if they could up their game) to ever make the HoF…..unless it’s Hardwick and he plays for 25 years.
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by John Gennaro on May 4, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I've thought about that
quite a bit, actually. It’s just hard to believe. How long has it been since Merriman was effective?
by Cake or Death on May 4, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
2008,2009,2010, all ineffective
05,06,07 he was good. Assuming there’s a trend, he’ll have 3 great years in Buffalo or wherever, then suck for the last 3 years of his career.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Next article: Scouting Greg Manusky, coming soon.
by Superduperboltman on May 4, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Get healthy
and find a way to juice up again without getting caught…
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
As if the NFL takes their testing serious to begin with
NFL drug testing has been and probably always will be a joke. Just a couple scapegoats here and there to keep it hidden as to how many players are juicing.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Oh I don't debate that at all
I don’t think the players fear the testing process (as it stood under the previous CBA) in any way. In fact, I think the NFL is actually scared of a more rigorous testing process for fears that a lot more players are juicing than they may expect.
The technology of the performance enhancing substances will always be ahead of the drug testing process, that’s just how it works. And i dont really see the NFL actively engaging in advancing that testing process.
Either way, there is absolutely zero testing in place currently under the lockout, so it’s fair game for now…especially for those players who have been caught previously, and may have been squeaky clean instead of risking a one year suspension. Now those guys can juice up again and try to regain their form: I’m looking at you, Merriman and Cushing.
Merriman come September
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
Its a good question
That makes him a HoFer, no?
I think no. No rings. And I think there are slew of good players with 5 to 6 really good seasons, which is where SM would be if he could put a few more on the books.
And then there’s juice….
by Trendsearcher on May 4, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
There’s plenty of guys who have had a similar career arc, and even going on the assumption he’s going to regain his form for the Bills he’s not a HOFer now.
Plus, like it or not, Merriman has become the poster boy for alleged Roiders and that alone would probably hit the brakes on any HOF momentum he could must in these final years.
Regardless, Phillips is a beast and I would be a fanboy if I met him too, JG.
Shaun is the man. That video on nfl.com highlighting his work in the classic playoff game against the Colts a few years back is probably my most-watched nfl-related video during the off season. If anyone hasn’t yet seen it, you definitely should.
Also…
The first time I talked to Shaun, I made a point to tell him that I thought he was the best all-around 3-4 OLB in the league. I know, it’s unprofessional. I made myself out to be a fanboy. It was terrible, but I still think that…
(loaded comment:) Don’t worry, compared to Shaun’s biggest fan you probably didn’t even register on the fanboy radar…
#feelinacertaintypeofway
Shaun has been a very good player for us
No doubt there. His continued production after Merriman’s decline has pretty well silenced the monicker of “The Other Guy”.
I must say that I’m happy that AJ didn’t let past success with Purdue players entice him to trade up for Kerrigan.
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Phillips is a great player
very reliable, solid production, good pass rush, good pass coverage, but seems like he is always out partying, and had 2 different charges dropped against him. I just can’t get over his comments on Darren Smith’s show about a year ago when he was asked about how he felt about the Personal foul penalty for headbutt in playoff game. His response “If anyone thinks they can do better, come down to Chargers Park and we will find out” D Smith was speechless. I have a tough time cheering for him since then. I know this isn’t a personality contest, but had to bring it up.
Yes, but he's OUR thug.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on May 6, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions

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