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A Peek at Greg Manusky's History

It would appear that, in the hope of being able to predict success for the San Diego Chargers, everyone is looking for answers on what type of defense Greg Manusky runs. What, exactly, is the former Chargers LB Coach going to do with the current group of players in San Diego?

After the jump, we'll go year-by-year in San Francisco. Starting with 2006, the year before Greg got there, and going through 2010. Superduperboltman will eventually do a breakdown of what he sees on tape as far as Manusky goes, but you guys know me.....I like stats. And so, into a sea of stats we shall dive. Join me!

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I'll start by saying this: You can tell a lot about a coach's style by finding out who taught him. Manusky's tutors in the 3-4 defensive scheme? One Wade Phillips, who kept Manusky around when he signed on to be the Defensive Coordinator for the Bolts, and one Mike Nolan, who brought the Denver Broncos from nothing to respectability in about 5 minutes before taking his talents to the sunny beaches of Miami for a ton of money. Not a bad place to start.

Both of the guys above sit on the "aggressive" side of the fence when it comes to 3-4 coaches. They build around strong CBs that don't mind being left on an island with the receiver, then blitz like crazy. Especially with a lead. The unfortunate part of Manusky's tenure in San Francisco is that the offense never really pulled it's weight, and therefore he probably wasn't able to be as aggressive as he'd like. That shouldn't be as big of a frustration in San Diego.

 

2006

It's no surprise that Manusky was brought in after this atrocious season. Despite Nolan being brought it to be the Head Coach and stabilize the defense, he was not able to dedicate enough of his time to helping that side of the ball. Or they didn't have enough talent. Either way, they were really awful.

Dead last in points allowed, not far from the bottom in yards allowed, and very nearly had less turnovers than the number of games they played during the season. That's not good, if you didn't know.

This was their 3rd year in the 3-4 also, but the talent still wasn't up to snuff. Their secondary, specifically, was a patchwork group consisting of Shawntae Spencer, Walt Harris, Mark Roman and Keith Lewis. This group was about to get a shot in the arm, probably at the behest of both Nolan and Manusky.

 

2007

Year 1 of Manusky's first shot at DC. Points allowed jumped from 32nd to a respectable 20th, while the yards allowed remained pretty much the same. The run defense also pretty much stayed the same, but the big difference was that the passing defense allowed fewer TDs.

The big reason for the jump in pass defense? The 49ers gifted Nate Clements, the best CB on the free agent market, with an absurd 8-year, $80 million dollar contract. They also replaced one Lewis with another, signing away Michael Lewis from the Eagles, which allowed Roman to move over to his more natural position of FS. Any time you can improve your secondary, it's going to make the passing defense better (Editor's Note: You think so?).

However, with Manny Lawson missing from the stat sheet (I guess he was injured?), the lack of pass-rushers hurt the Niners. Their sack total dropped from 34 to 31, 49er QBs were sacked 55 times(!) and the team won just 5 games. Manusky didn't have a lead to play around with, and didn't have the talent to get to opposing QBs without the blitz. It should be mentioned that this drop in offense happened the year after Norv Turner left San Francisco....

Not a great first season, but not terrible. The secondary shuffle can be credited for the improvement in my eyes, though.

 

2008

Now we're getting somewhere. Year 2, and Manusky's been there for the free agent period, the draft, and making adjustments from Year 1.

Points allowed goes up slightly, but everything else goes down. Yards allowed goes from 25th to 13th. First downs allowed goes from 23rd to 12th. So how could points allowed get worse, you ask? Well, the offense (which was atrocious in 2007) actually got worse in 2008.

San Francisco QBs were sacked 55 times for a second consecutive year(!), and instead of "prospect Alex Smith" the Niners had to rely on Shaun Hill and J.T. O'Sullivan (each getting 8 starts). A bad offense also meant fewer chances for sacks, both because opposing teams were throwing less and because Manusky had to play it somewhat conservative, and that number went down again from 31 to 30.

With that being said, the 49ers acquired DE Justin Smith and ILB Takeo Spikes and saw fantastic impact from both veteran players. A strong and young defensive line emerged in the form of Isaac Sopoaga, Aubrayo Franklin and the aforementioned Justin Smith. Manny Lawson and Parys Haralson both showed talent when given the chance, with Haralson racking up 8 sacks in just 10 starts.

This feels like a defense that should've been better but was hamstrung by the offense and what was going on with the rest of the team (Nolan was fired half-way through the season and Mike Singletary had a....rough first few weeks).

 

2009

One more season and more improvement. Year 3 saw the Niners drop from 23rd in point allowed to 4th. They dropped again from 12th in 1st downs allowed down to 6th. They gave up the 2nd least amount of TDs through the air, dropped from 21st in that category the year before.

The good defense that seemed to be lurking in 2008 finally got to show its face in 2009. Sacks jumped from 30 up to 44. Turnovers stayed low (Manusky's four years: 22, 18, 18, 22 TOs), but the rushing defense improved a bunch. In terms of yards given up by rushing attempt, the 49ers were in the top 10 each year Manusky was there and in the top 5 for three of those four seasons.

All of those sacks were spread throughout the team. Here are the guys that had at least 4 on the season: Manny Lawson, Justin Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Parys Haralson, Patrick Willis and Takeo Spides. Six different guys, including both ILBs and a DE. Here's who had 4+ sacks last season for the Chargers: Shaun Phillips, Kevin Burnett, Antonio Garay and Antwan Barnes.....and that group had more sacks as a whole (47) than the Niners in 2009.

 

2010

The final year. I don't know that Manusky would've been fired, he just probably was done with the turmoil of SF's situation and wanted the chance to come back to SD and coach on a team with an offense. His 2010 defense really wasn't better or worse than the defenses before it.....

Points allowed dropped from the ridiculous 4th to a more reasonable 16th. Again, much of this can be attributed to an awful offense giving other teams pretty terrible field position (for SF, anyway). 1st downs allowed also dropped down from "ridiculous" to "average". Sacks dropped from 44 back down to 36 and were again pretty evenly distributed amongst the LBs and Justin Smith.

The run defense remained fantastic while the passing defense dealt with the change over from veterans that were decreasing in value to mistake-prone rookies (all of the Safeties on this team are 26 or younger).

 

What the stats tell me: Manusky builds defenses that stop the run first and foremost, but do a pretty pedestrian job at creating turnovers or getting pressure on opposing QBs.

What logic tells me: Tough situation. It's really hard to get good numbers from your defense when you're always starting on the 50 yard line, down by two scores and the offense is never putting together long drives or showing the ability to come back from down two scores.

He's also had to deal with changeover at both Safety spots, where Mark Roman and Michael Lewis were just stopgaps at the end of their careers, and no great pass-rushers to be found. I'll say, with fingers crossed, that Manusky is looking forward to the chance to have Bob Sanders and Eric Weddle back there along with some great talent at CB. Most of all though, he has to be thrilled with the chance to coach Shaun Phillips (the elusive great pass-rusher who can do other things just as well) and to have young talent like Cam Thomas and Vaughn Martin supplying depth and a bright future.

Do I think he'll be drastically different than Ron Rivera? No. Ron was in a tough spot where he was always playing from behind or in a tight game, and chose to play conservatively. About 90% of Defensive Coordiantor are going to do the same thing, and I think Manusky's one of them. However, the one thing I like about Manusky is that he seemed to have lots of success with the young kids that were brought into San Francisco, whereas Rivera really only clicked with veterans like Weddle, Stephen Cooper, Burnett, Garay, etc. I think Manusky could be a better teacher and give the kids more of a shot.

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Both excited and nervous

to see what this season is gonna bring. I wonder though if the vets (Garay, Weddle, Philips, Barnes & Burnett, maybe Cooper) actually lifted their game, or if it was Ron’s coaching that improved their game. I’ll probably have my answer by November.

I am the anti-analyst.

by Madcat5 on May 12, 2011 1:52 AM PDT reply actions  

The more I thought baout that

The more it shocked me. Have there been any kids at all that succeeded under Rivera? I guess Cason. But you look at the rest of the positions and you see guys like Cesaire instead of Martin. Garay instead of Thomas. Gregory instead of Stuckey. I’m starting to wonder if Ron trusted any non-veteran players at all.

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by John Gennaro on May 12, 2011 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, but

Those guys we’re playing REALLY well. In Gregory’s first 4 games, he helped Cason get some Interceptions, Cesaire was solid, didn’t make many mistakes and Garay was simply disruptive. I just see it as these guys having one of their best individual seasons. But yeah, we Oliver played a lot instead of Stuckey.

BTW, isn’t Gregory a FA? Since we played most Oliver and drafted a lot of DBs, do you think we`re releasing him?

by Lightning Hobo on May 12, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't say they were great

It’s just interesting to me that I never noticed Rivera’s penchant for veterans over young players sooner. I think he might have issues with younger players, and it probably stems from the famous post-Steelers-blowout meetings where he quizzed the defensive players on how much they knew. Younger players are typically less knowledge, more athletic. Rivera seems to value more knowledgeable, less athletic.

BTW, isn’t Gregory a FA? Since we played most Oliver and drafted a lot of DBs, do you think we`re releasing him?

Nope. Not only is Gregory a very versatile player, and a team leader, but he’s very cheap (about $1 million in 2011). He’s a FA in 2012. Oliver is a FA and probably will not be brought back. Weddle is a FA and probably will be brought back.

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by John Gennaro on May 12, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oliver is a good player, and only getting better.

But yeah, he’s got too much competition now, and will probably be wearing a different uni.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on May 12, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good read John

I think our drafting showed that stopping the run is going to our primary objective, with the rest of the defense building off that, which makes sense given the way KC and Oakland play.

However, the mantra after he was recruited was the that we wanted to get more aggressive on defense, so my expectation is that he won’t be as conservative as Rivera was.

What I’d like to know from the video analysis is how quick he was to make adjustments – Rivera tended to wait until halftime, and also how partial he is to the no-blitz zone defensive schemes which Rivera sometimes drove us crazy with (eg helping turn Jason Campbell into an All Star QB against us).

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by Aussie fan on May 12, 2011 3:04 AM PDT reply actions  

In Ron's defense

As I said in the article, he was often behind or in a close game and had to play conservatively. When he had his chance to, he could get very aggressive. I think most 3-4 D Coordinators are the same way, and it wouldn’t surprise me if Manusky is the same way.

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by John Gennaro on May 12, 2011 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with Ron IMO

is that he showed the ability to come up with incredible defensive gameplans that were extremely disruptive, but seemingly only once or twice a season. Basically, if we were playing against Indy, Ron would draw up a defensive scheme that completely befuddled Peyton Manning at times, then he would turn around and let Jason Campbell pick his plain-jane defense apart. I never did understand that about Ron…

In this league you cannot afford to sit back and let the opposing offense make mistakes, you need to be aggressive and force mistakes. The teams with the best defenses have the opposing team’s offense scheming to protect from the defense the next week, not the other way around. As I’ve posted before, one of the keys to winning in this league is winning the turnover battle, and you do that in part through a pressure defense. The other part would be a ball control offense, but that’s not what we have built here in San Diego, which is all the more reason that we need to create more turnovers on defense.

by jkvandal on May 12, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

so you're saying

make the defense work like an offense, instead of wait and react… seems like a good strategy to me.

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by QuesaDiaz on May 12, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Go back and watch the Packers defense in the superbowl…there were certain defensive packages that the Steelers had no answer for. You know you are in trouble when you see that post-snap there are 3 offensive linemen with no one to block…yet you are still rushing 4 guys.

Dom Capers drew up a brilliant gameplan in that game. He knew that the Steelers would be watching for a Woodson blitz from the slot every time he lined up at nickel corner, so instead they blitzed the CB from the opposite side, where the offense wasn’t looking.

by jkvandal on May 12, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

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by John Gennaro on May 12, 2011 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe this was MartyBall

but I seem to remember a lot of prevent-D being played by Wade Phillips near the end of games. Am I misremembering?

by Cake or Death on May 12, 2011 7:44 AM PDT reply actions  

I seem to remember a lot of prevent-D being played by Wade Phillips every NFL Defensive Coordinator near the end of games.

Fixed that for you.

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by John Gennaro on May 12, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right, but you said
They build around strong CBs that don’t mind being left on an island with the receiver, then blitz like crazy. Especially with a lead.

by Cake or Death on May 12, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lets not forgot

I know its prolly been said but i cant say this enough look at merriams production when Greg was his LB coach then look at it after. Huge drop off not just because of Injuries. Greg knows how to get these LBs fired up dont be surprised if we see our LBS stats raise up a bit this year.

by Chris Hoke on May 12, 2011 9:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Too bad Manusky couldnt bring Patrick Willis with him.

by BORTZ on May 12, 2011 10:12 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

That right there
blitz like crazy. Especially with a lead.

Made me happy. I know its a risky philosophy. I just really like to watch that types of games regardless of the outcome. That QB may make some big plays on us, but a whole lot of the game is gonna be happening in his back field. Tackles for loss, tipped balls, hurry ups, blitzers running free, shifting blocking schemes, sacks, picks… Its just fun football to watch.

by Trendsearcher on May 12, 2011 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Yup

fun to watch, and also the key to winning the turnover battle, which is crucial in this league.

by jkvandal on May 12, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

As mentioned

that’s not something Greg’s defenses have been very good at so far

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by John Gennaro on May 12, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup, I noticed that

and was not too happy about it.

by jkvandal on May 12, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

As u said

His defenses have rarely had huge leads so he cant be so agressive with his blitz’s we know Rivers can sling it. So expect Greg to bring it. Hes got Jammer and Cason. Cason who btw had just as much picks as Cromo last year. So lets see i think Nate Clemens is great but he lacks good hands Cason has much better hands.

by Chris Hoke on May 12, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also a good idea to checkout...

Who the D-Coordinator was when Manusky was a Linebacker for the Cheifs.Gunther Cunningham, who’s on the Lions now, was the DC when the Cheifs were the BADDEST (as in BESTEST) Defense in the League in the Mid 90’s. It’s a good way to find out who they learned their teaching/coaching style chops from, an osmosis of philosophy is only natural.

Didn’t they not allow a TD in a 10 game span or something rediculous?

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by QuesaDiaz on May 12, 2011 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

under martyball

Hmm was that during martys era. No wonder he brought him in with when he came here.

by Chris Hoke on May 12, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Something else to note

This is how Manusky’s defense fared when playing against our AFC West opponents in 2010:

OAK: 110 yards rushing
J. Campbell – 8/21 83 yards, 2 INTs, 2 sacks
SF beat OAK

KC: 207 yards rushing
M Cassel 16/27 250 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 0 sacks
SF lost to KC 31-10

DEN: 59 yards rushing
K Orton – 28/40 370 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 4 sacks
SF beat DEN 24-17

by jkvandal on May 12, 2011 12:07 PM PDT reply actions  

and just for giggles, how he fared against the Chargers

SD: 108 yards rushing
P Rivers – 19/25 273 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 1 sack

I bet he’s glad he doesn’t have to play against the SD offense anymore…at least not on Sundays.

by jkvandal on May 12, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm suspecting Manusky will send more 5 man or more blitzes

Rivera, seemed to be pretty content sending 3 or 4 man rushes, I believe the chargers were the team that sent the fewest 5 or more man blitzes in the entire league.

I’m expecting 5 man pressure on passing downs, and the use of overloads once in a while.

by TJBOLT on May 12, 2011 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry for this bad news....

but my Greg Manusky article is still in progress. I’ve been backed up lately with lots of delays and issues. In 10 hours I hop on a plane to Guadalajara to attend my cousin’s funeral (RIP) and so I’ll be gone for a week. When I get back, I’ll have lots of work to do at my paying job, and a few other things elsewhere on the map of my life. Patience is key. We’ve got all summer, so I guess there’s no big rush, but I thought I’d let BFTB know I’m on it.

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Next article: Scouting Greg Manusky, coming soon.

by Superduperboltman on May 12, 2011 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Knock that off

This is AMERICA

/vain leikkiä

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by John Gennaro on May 13, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

In San Diego that line gets blurry

Can’t we all just drink some Tequila?

by Trendsearcher on May 13, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Big Ups to G-town...

Sorry about your cuz, bro.

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by QuesaDiaz on May 13, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Condolences, SDBM!

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on May 13, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

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