A Look at Past Charger Drafts
As this herky-jerky off-season drunkenly stumbles along, we are left with one beacon of stability: The NFL Draft. For all we know, there may not be football for a long time. The owners hate the players and the players hate the owners. They are suing each other and trading barbs in the press. Our familiar rhythm of free agency, draft, mini-camps and OTAs has been reduced to one thing: The NFL Draft. The Chargers are one of the teams in The League that relies heavily on the draft for their players. Luckily for me, this fits my philosophical bent of how an NFL team should be built. Deep down in our hearts, I think we would all rather be on the side of the team that is built through the draft for the long haul rather than the free agent frenzy the seems to doom the likes of the Redskins every year. If you've been a Charger fan for long enough, you remember David Boston and Marcellus Wiley and how they failed to deliver on their promise. If you're like me you would rather live in a world where there is no way we will get a Julius Peppers than one where we risk reliving that dark history.
That being said, if we are a team that builds through the draft, we need to be good at it. Too many mistakes and you become the Bills. A lot of reactionary fans tend to either blindly claim that A.J. Smith is either the biggest genius or the biggest idiot they have ever seen assemble an NFL football team. The only way to really be objective about this is to take a look at past drafts. A.J. admitted as recently as the 2009 off-season that he had to do better, so let's take a look back as see how he has done.
Keep in mind that you typically need three years to evaluate a draft. A.J. is on record saying he won't judge a draft pick as being a success or failure until they get to the point of needing their second contract, which is after 3 or 4 years in the league. Usually by the third year, a player can be accurately evaluated as to their NFL potential. For some players it comes earlier, but typically we need to give a player three years. I've looked at every player we've drafted since 2001, plus any draft slots we traded away and what we got for them. I've also included Undrafted Free Agents (UDFA) who we picked up after the draft and made an impact.
We're going to try and look at this as objectively as possible. We are going to track how many years each player spent with the team, how much they contributed in terms of starting and pro-bowls. And lastly we are going to look at if they got a second contract, which essentially is A.J. saying they were a good draft pick. With the craziness of the CBA over the last two years, we are going to count any RFA who would not have been an RFA under the normal CBA who was then tendered as having received a second contract (they are marked with an *). Tendering an RFA who would have been an RFA anyways will not count as a second contract.
So, let's get to it!
| 2011 | ||||||||||
| Rnd. | Player | Notes | Made Team | Played | Occasional Starter | Full Time Starter | Pro Bowl | Repeat Pro Bowl | Years | 2nd Contract |
| 1(18) | ||||||||||
| 2(50) | ||||||||||
| 2(61) | from NY Jets for Antonio Cromartie | |||||||||
| 3(82) | ||||||||||
| 3(89) | traded 2010-2(60) and Charlie Whitehurst to Seattle for 2010-2(40) and 2011-3(89) | |||||||||
| 4(115) | traded 2010-3(91), 2010-6(173), and 2011-4(115) to San Fransisco for 2010-3(79) | |||||||||
| 5(149) | traded 2010-5(159) and a 2011-5(149) to Philadelphia for 2010-5(146) | |||||||||
| 6(183) | ||||||||||
| 6(201) | compensatory for Osgood and Manumaleuna | |||||||||
| 7(220) | traded 7(220) to Dallas for Patrick Crayton | |||||||||
| 7(234) | compensatory for Osgood and Manumaleuna | |||||||||
| 2010 | ||||||||||
| Rnd. | Player | Notes | Made Team | Played | Occasional Starter | Full Time Starter | Pro Bowl | Repeat Pro Bowl | Years | 2nd Contract |
| 1(12) | Ryan Mathews | traded 1(28), 2(40), 4(126), and Tim Dobbins to Miami for 1(12), 4(110), and 6(173) | Y | Y | Y | 1 | -- | |||
| 1(28) | traded 1(28), 2(40), 4(126), and Tim Dobbins to Miami for 1(12), 4(110), and 6(173) | |||||||||
| 2(40) |
traded 2(60) and Charlie Whitehurst to Seattle for 2(40) and 2011 3rd rounder THEN traded 1(28), 2(40), 4(126), and Tim Dobbins to Miami for 1(12), 4(110), and 6(173) |
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| 2(60) | traded 2(60) and Charlie Whitehurst to Seattle for 2(40) and 2011 3rd rounder | |||||||||
| 3(79) | Donald Butler | traded 3(91), 6(173), and 2011 4th rounder to San Fransisco for 3(79) | Y | 1 | -- | |||||
| 3(91) | traded 3(91), 6(173), and 2011 4th rounder to San Fransisco for 3(79) | |||||||||
| 4(110) | Darrell Stuckey | traded 1(28), 2(40), 4(126), and Tim Dobbins to Miami for 1(12), 4(110), and 6(173) | Y | Y | 1 | -- | ||||
| 4(126) | traded 1(28), 2(40), 4(126), and Tim Dobbins to Miami for 1(12), 4(110), and 6(173) | |||||||||
| 5(146) | Cam Thomas | traded 5(159) and a 2011 5th rounder to Philadelphia for 5(146) | Y | Y | 1 | -- | ||||
| 5(159) | traded 5(159) and a 2011 5th rounder to Philadelphia for 5(146) | |||||||||
| 5(168) | Jonathan Crompton | compensatory pick for Goff and Olshansky | 0 | N | ||||||
| 6(173) |
traded 1(28), 2(40), 4(126), and Tim Dobbins to Miami for 1(12), 4(110), and 6(173) THEN traded 3(91), 6(173), and 2011 4th rounder to San Fransisco for 3(79) |
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| 6(197) | traded to Houston for Travis Johnson | |||||||||
| 7(235) | Dedrick Epps | 0 | N | |||||||
| UDFA | Seyi Ajirotutu | Y | Y | Y | 1 | -- | ||||
| UDFA | Brandon Lang | Y | Y | 1 | -- | |||||
| UDFA | Kion Wilson | Y | Y | 1 | -- | |||||
| 2009 | ||||||||||
| Rnd. | Player | Notes | Made Team | Played | Occasional Starter | Full Time Starter | Pro Bowl | Repeat Pro Bowl | Years | 2nd Contract |
| 1(16) | Larry English | Y | Y | Y | 2 | -- | ||||
| 2(47) | traded to NE for Hester pick (2008) | |||||||||
| 3(78) | Louis Vasquez | Y | Y | Y | Y | 2 | -- | |||
| 4(113) | Vaughn Martin | Y | Y | 2 | -- | |||||
| 4(133) | Tyronne Green | compensatory pick (Michael Turner) | Y | Y | Y | 2 | -- | |||
| 4(134) | Gartrell Johnson | compensatory pick (Drayton Florence). | 0 | N | ||||||
| 5(148) | Brandon Hughes | Y | Y | 1+ | N | |||||
| 6(189) | Kevin Ellison | Y | Y | Y | Y | 1 | N | |||
| 7(224) | Demetrius Byrd | Y | 1 | N | ||||||
| UDFA | C.J. Spillman | Y | Y | 1+ | N | |||||
| UDFA | James Holt | Y | Y | 2 | -- | |||||
| 2008 | ||||||||||
| Rnd. | Player | Notes | Made Team | Played | Occasional Starter | Full Time Starter | Pro Bowl | Repeat Pro Bowl | Years | 2nd Contract |
| 1(27) | Antoine Cason | Y | Y | Y | Y | 3 | -- | |||
| 2(57) | traded to miami for Chris Chambers | |||||||||
| 3(69) | Jacob Hester | Traded 5th rounder and 2009 2nd rounder to NE to move up | Y | Y | Y | Y | 3 | -- | ||
| 3(90) | traded in 2007 to move up to pick Weddle | |||||||||
| 4(125) | Used in 2007 Supplemental Draft - Oliver | |||||||||
| 5(160) | traded to NE to move up to pick Hester | |||||||||
| 5(166) | Marcus Thomas | compensatory pick (Donnie Edwards) | 0 | N | ||||||
| 6(192) | DeJuan Tribble | Y | 1 | N | ||||||
| 7(234) | Corey Clark | Y | 2 | N | ||||||
| UDFA | Mike Tolbert | Y | Y | Y | 3 | -- | ||||
| UDFA | Brandyn Dombrowski | Y | Y | Y | 3 | -- | ||||
| UDFA | Ogemdi Nwagbuo | Y | Y | Y | 3 | -- | ||||
| 2007 | ||||||||||
| Rnd. | Player | Notes | Made Team | Played | Occasional Starter | Full Time Starter | Pro Bowl | Repeat Pro Bowl | Years | 2nd Contract |
| 1(30) | Buster Davis | Y | Y | 4 | -- | |||||
| 2(37) | Eric Weddle | Moved up, trading our 62 overall pick plus 93rd, plus 167th, plus 2008 3rd rounder | Y | Y | Y | Y | 4 | Y* | ||
| 2(62) | traded for Weddle pick | |||||||||
| 3(93) | traded for Weddle pick | |||||||||
| 3(96) | Anthony Waters | compensatory (Drew Brees, Reche Caldwell, Ben Leber, Justin Peelle) | Y | Y | 1 | N | ||||
| 4(129) | Scott Chandler | Y | 2 | N | ||||||
| 4 (S) | Paul Oliver | 4th Round Supplemental Pick | Y | Y | Y (nickel) | 4 | Y* | |||
| 5(167) | traded for Weddle pick | |||||||||
| 5(172) | Legedu Naanee | compensatory (Drew Brees, Reche Caldwell, Ben Leber, Justin Peelle) | Y | Y | Y | 4 | N | |||
| 6(204) | traded to Nashville for Volek | |||||||||
| 7(240) | Brandon Siler | Y | Y | Y | 4 | Y* | ||||
| UDFA | Jyles Tucker | Y | Y | Y | 4 | Y | ||||
| UDFA | Antwan Applewhite | Y | Y | 4 | -- | |||||
| 2006 | ||||||||||
| Rnd. | Player | Notes | Made Team | Played | occasional starter | full time starter | pro bowl | repeat pro bowl | Years | 2nd Contract |
| 1(19) | Antonio Cromartie | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | 4 | N | |
| 2(50) | Marcus McNeill | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | 5 | Y | |
| 3(81) | Charlie Whitehurst | Y | 4 | Y* | ||||||
| 4(113) | traded to StLouis for Manumaleuna | |||||||||
| 5(151) | Tim Dobbins | Y | Y | Y | 4 | N | ||||
| 6(187) | Jeromey Clary | Y | Y | Y | Y | 5 | Y* | |||
| 6(188) | Kurt Smith | from miami (for Cleo Lemon, we also got AJ Feeley) | 0 | N | ||||||
| 7(225) | Chase Page | 0 | N | |||||||
| 7(227) | Jimmy Martin | from minnestota (for Fonoti) | 0 | N | ||||||
| UDFA | Steve Gregory | Y | Y | Y | Y (nickel) | 5 | Y | |||
| 2005 | ||||||||||
| Rnd. | Player | Notes | Made Team | Played | Occasional Starter | Full Time Starter | Pro Bowl | Repeat Pro Bowl | Years | 2nd Contract |
| 1(12) | Shawne Merriman | from NYG in Manning Trade 2004 | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | 5+ | Y* |
| 1(28) | Luis Castillo | Y | Y | Y | Y | 6 | Y | |||
| 2(61) | Vincent Jackson | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | 6 | Y* | ||
| 3(91) | traded to bucs in McCardell Deal | |||||||||
| 4(130) | Darren Sproles | Y | Y | Y | 6 | Y | ||||
| 5(144) | from NYG in Manning Deal, traded to Bucs for Roman Oben | |||||||||
| 5(164) | Wesley Britt | 0 | N | |||||||
| 6(177) | Wes Sims | from Miami (for David Boston) | 0 | N | ||||||
| 6(203) | traded to bucs in McCardell Deal | |||||||||
| 7(242) | Scott Mruczkowski | Y | Y | Y | 6 | Y | ||||
| 2004 | ||||||||||
| Rnd. | Player | Notes | Made Team | Played | Occasional Starter | Full Time Starter | Pro Bowl | Repeat Pro Bowl | Years | 2nd Contract |
| 1(1) | drafted Eli Manning then traded for Rivers, 3rd round pick (65), and 2005 1st and 5th rounder | |||||||||
| 1(4) | Philip Rivers | From NYG in Manning Trade | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | 7 | Y |
| 2(35) | Igor Olshansky | Y | Y | Y | Y | 5 | N | |||
| 3(65) | Nate Kaeding | From NYG in Manning Trade | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | 7 | Y |
| 3(66) | Nick Hardwick | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | 7 | Y | ||
| 4(98) | Shaun Phillips | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | 7 | Y | ||
| 5(133) | Dave Ball | Y | Y | 1 | N | |||||
| 5(154) | Michael Turner | from miami (for Seau). Full time starter andPro Bowler with Atlanta | Y | Y | Y | 4 | N | |||
| 6(169) | Ryan Krause | Y | Y | 2 | N | |||||
| 7(204) | Ryon Bingham | Y | Y | Y | 4 | N | ||||
| 7(209) | Shane Olivea | from atlanta (for Trevor Gaylor) | Y | Y | Y | Y | 4 | N | ||
| 7(254) | Carlos Joseph | compensatory pick | 0 | N | ||||||
| UDFA | Wes Welker | Didn't make it out of camp, eventual repeat pro bowler w/ NE | 0 | N | ||||||
| 2003 | ||||||||||
| Rnd. | Player | Notes | Made Team | Played | Occasional Starter | Full Time Starter | Pro Bowl | Repeat Pro Bowl | Years | 2nd Contract |
| 1(15) | trade to Philly for Philly's 1st and 2nd | |||||||||
| 1(30) | Sammy Davis | from philly for #15 | Y | Y | Y (nickel) | 3 | N | |||
| 2(46) | Drayton Florence | Y | Y | Y | Y | 5 | N | |||
| 2(62) | Terrence Kiel | from philly for #15 | Y | Y | Y | Y | 4 | N | ||
| 3(80) | Courtney Van Buren | Y | Y | 2 | N | |||||
| 4(112) | Matt Wilhelm | Y | Y | Y | Y | 6 | Y | |||
| 5(149) | Mike Scifres | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | 7 | Y | |
| 6(188) | Hanik Milligan | Y | Y | Y (special teams) | 2 | N | ||||
| 7(229) | Andrew Pinnock | Y | Y | Y | 5 | N | ||||
| UDFA | Kassim Osgood | Y | Y | Y (special teams) | Y (special teams) | 6 | Y | |||
| UDFA | Kris Dielman | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | 7 | Y | |
| UDFA | Antonio Gates | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | 7 | Y | |
| UDFA | Jacques Cesaire | Y | Y | Y | Y | 7 | Y | |||
| UDFA | Stephen Cooper | Y | Y | Y | Y | 7 | Y | |||
| 2002 - Butler | ||||||||||
| Rnd. | Player | Notes | Made Team | Played | Occasional Starter | Full Time Starter | Pro Bowl | Repeat Pro Bowl | Years | 2nd Contract |
| 1(5) | Quentin Jammer | Y | Y | Y | Y | 8 | Y | |||
| 2(39) | Toniu Fonoti | Y | Y | Y | Y | 2 | N | |||
| 2(48) | Reche Caldwell | from 2001 vick trade | Y | Y | Y | 4 | N | |||
| 3(71) | Ben Leber | Y | Y | Y | Y | 4 | N | |||
| 4(103) | Justin Peelle | Y | Y | Y | 4 | N | ||||
| 5(142) | Terry Charles | Y | 1 | N | ||||||
| 6(178) | Matt Anderle | 0 | N | |||||||
| 7(216) | Seth Burford | Y | 1 | N | ||||||
| 2001 - Butler | ||||||||||
| Rnd. | Player | Notes | Made Team | Played | Occasional Starter | Full Time Starter | Pro Bowl | Repeat Pro Bowl | Years | 2nd Contract |
| 1(1) | traded with Falcons for #5, #67, 2002 2nd rounder and Tim Dwight (for Michael Vick pick) | |||||||||
| 1(5) | LaDainian Tomlinson | from vick trade | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | 8 | Y |
| 2(32) | Drew Brees | went on to make additional Pro Bowls with the saints | Y | Y | Y | Y | Y | 5 | Y | |
| 3(63) | trade for trevor Gaylor | |||||||||
| 4(96) | traded to NE for 4th and 5th rounder | |||||||||
| 3(67) | Tay Cody | from vick trade | Y | Y | Y | 3 | N | |||
| 4(112) | Carlos Polk | from NE trade | Y | Y | 6 | N | ||||
| 5(132) | Elliot Silvers | Y | 1 | N | ||||||
| 5(139) | Zeke Moreno | from NE trade | Y | Y | 4 | N | ||||
| 6(164) | trade to dolphins for Nate Jacquet | |||||||||
| 7(201) | Brandon Gorin | Y | 2 | N | ||||||
| 7(244) | Robert Carswell | compensatory | Y | 2 | N | |||||
Let's start by assuming the last two drafts still need some maturing before they can be evaluated. One thing that jumps out is the sheer number of pro bowlers picked in 2003-2006, 3 per year if you count the special teamers. Across the NFL, teams average about 0.8 pro bowlers picked per year, so 3/year is astounding. However, 2007-2008 hasn't been nearly as good. Some of this has been due to the drafts not maturing yet, and some has to do with the Chargers having better records and not drafting as high. But I think part of it has been A.J. trading away too many of his potential impact picks. Impact picks typically come in the first three rounds and A.J. has traded at least one of those away every one of those years.
Also, AJ's rate of success with his top picks is very good. Ignoring 2010, 15 of his 21 picks in the first three rounds have become full time starters and 7 of them are pro bowlers.
Looking at third day picks (rounds 4-7) 6 of 33 have become full time starters, with an additional 3 making the pro bowl.
AJ has also done a really good job of picking up quality Undrafted Free Agents (college guys who weren't drafted in the 7 round draft). 2003 was just ridiculous picking up Dielman, Gates, and Osgood (pro bowlers) and Cooper and Cesaire. Through AJ's 7 drafts, he has picked up 11 UDFAs who have spent some time as starters and 3 of which were pro bowlers.
Most of us can agree that AJ's drafts have been well above average and have been one of the primary ingredients in turning the Chargers into the powerhouse they are today. For those of us who witnessed some of those late career Beathard stinkers, AJ seems almost infallible in comparison. That being said, many of his recent drafts have been less productive and the tendency to trade future picks to move up in rounds to pick guys like Hester and Weddle worries me. I think part of it is a subtle shift in AJ's strategy from stocking an empty cupboard (2003-2006) to fine tuning a championship caliber roster, but I still don't like it. Overall, I am not worried yet, since most of my criticism of him has been in the last four years of drafting. Those guys have yet to really mature and there might still be some diamonds in the rough (English) who will come through big with a little more seasoning and opportunity, and some guys like Mathews, Weddle, and Cason who stand an excellent chance of getting pro bowl consideration before their time is done.
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this is the third year of it, the first time I put it all together was a pain, especially for the older drafts. Wikipedia has the latest drafts pretty well nailed down, but the older ones took a lot of research.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 9, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely good stuff
And I know how much graphs, tables, charts, etc. are valued here as well. :-) Nice work & rec’d.
I really, really hope that AJ will utilize this year’s picks AS IS.
Stay home, AJ. Let Manusky have the 1st 3 picks for D. Violent athletic masses of extreme proportions. Stone-cold assassins.
Please draft Marvin Austin, AJ. Even at 18 if you must.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
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by Buck Melanoma on Apr 9, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"violent athletic masses of extreme proportions"
I love it! Exactly what the defense needs, but I’d only like 2:
1st Rd: DE JJ Watt
2nd Rd: OLB Dontay Moch
I’d like to use the other 2nd rounder on an offensive playmaker: I’ll take Hankerson or Baldwin, heck a guy like Rudolph might even fall, he’d be a great backup for Gates to keep him fresh.
I miss
Ben Leber
The play of chance and probability within which the creative spirit is free to roam. -von Clausewitz 'On Football'
Nice work Stephen, and thanks.
I think the chart is pretty helpful to quickly evaluate draft quality/results. One pick that only looks mediocre on the chart, but I feel is actually one of AJ’s better picks is Michael Turner in the 5th round. If he were not queued behind a hall of famer, then his ‘boxes’ would have had a lot more color and, likely, a 2nd contract. Just an observation.
true
however, part of the magic is drafting impact players who can make an impact. Sounds a little redundant, but pretend AJ drafted Joe Montana in a few weeks. Despite having HoF talent, Montana would probably languish on our bench until he was traded or a FA. Essentially a waste of a pick (unless we got good trade value for him or a decent compensatory pick). Turner essentially was a backup running back for us and was allowed to walk in FA. Resulting in a compensatory pick of Tyronne Green (who might turn out well, but so far is just a good backup).
That being said, Turner was clearly a talent, and we do need quality backups, and I really feel that AJ treated Turner very fairly in letting him walk because Turner was nothing but a good soldier in backing up LT for all those years. But I still don’t think you can evaluate it as a great pick since we didn’t really end up needing him until he was already gone, and a big part of draft success is picking the right guy at the right time.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 11, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
How about this reasoning?
A 5th round pick spent on a RB is spent properly if it meets a standard equal to or lower than:
1) Backup RB for duration of first contract (needed or not).
2) Effective change-of-pace back to help make star RB seem even better (look at 2006).
3) Higher draft pick than the one used on him.
Therefore, the pick spent on Turner was spent properly.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 11, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I spent a long time trying to come up with some way to measure how good a draft pick was and I couldn’t come up with anything that made me happy across the board. Some are obvious, like Sammy Davis on one end and Marcus McNeill on the other. And the more I think about it, I have to agree that Turner was a very good pick, if only because he clearly had the potential to be a great pick (if LT had gotten injured) and, as you said, he filled a critical role until his time with the Chargers ended, which is really outstanding value for a low 5th round pick.
Part of the problem is that there are so many factors in evaluating a past draft pick, from contribution to length of service, and even whether the perceived need that caused us to draft this player was an actual need (in retrospect, one of the biggest problems with the Buster Davis pick is that we used a #1 pick used to address a perceived need that wasn’t actually a need at all. If we had properly evaluated that need, we would have taken someone else at that spot. We could have taken Weddle way early but retained the 4 picks we gave up for him, at least Safety was a legit need)
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 12, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Never realized 2003 may have been better than 2004.
3 undrafted repeat probowlers.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
While that is pretty awesome,
the 2004 trade with the Giants was pure wizardry.
by SoCalBoltFan on Apr 11, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
and also shows you how fickle draft day trades can be. How lucky were we to have the #1 overall pick in a year where there were 3 franchise QBs and a team 3 spots after us who was willing to pay big for one of them (even though they could have had any of the other 2). Compare that to many other years (like when Jake Long was taken #1) where the #1 pick is almost a burden.
Eli tried to throw a wrench into the gears but it worked out thanks to AJ. That day earns AJ a near lifetime pass in my book.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 11, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I heart Spreadsheets
kudos to you.
I can confirm that the giant sucking sound is 2007. Yick.
I really hope we go Defense on this draft, and I can’t see how we don’t.
2007 was ugly
However, contrary to popular belief, I would contend it was mainly due to the two colossal busts (Buster and Waters) rather than all the picks that were given up for Weddle. But Weddle’s slow assention, combined with the following year’s Hester dealings seem to have cemeted Weddle as the poster boy for the 2007 draft. (although Buster is probably in the background of the poster)
The weddle deal by itself wasn’t so bad if you remember that the picks we gave up were at the end of their rounds and the pick that we got was at the beginning of the round. ( I like to think of it as “We traded up to almost the first round, and all we had to give up were picks that were practically in the 3rd, 4th, and 6th rounds, plust a pick in 2008 that was practically in the 4th round”)
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 11, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions

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