What would you do if Watt/Jordan/Kerrigan/Smith are gone?
by TJBOLT on Apr 25, 2011 11:29 AM PDT
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PrintThe chargers could very easily fall under worse case scenario where the 4 guys that seem to be target are gone, all it requires is small circumstances like Dallas or Washington both taking defensive players, or no OT/G are taken before the chargers pick, and obviously no team ahead of them reaches for the 3rd QB off the board.
Would you guys be comfortable with Muhammed Wilkerson, Cameron Heyward, Akeem Ayers or one of the OT's at 18, or would you guys trade up or down if 4 targeted guys are gone?
Or would you guys trade up to 9-10 and secure one of the targeted guys or a Robert Quinn, or maybe trade up to 14-15 where at least one of the targeted guys will be there, or would you trade down to 22-25 level, and take someone like Heyward or Ayers at a more reasonable value spot?
Being at 18, seems to be the spot where you could be the team without a chair when the music stops, what are your thoughts guys?
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it would be interesting to see the mock that lead to those guys being gone. Is there still a top flight CB there? I think AJ might go towards another impact position if the top DE/OLB guys are gone.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 25, 2011 12:23 PM PDT reply actions
Here is another mock by Brian Baldinger
This one pretty much is as close to worst case scenario as it gets:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/mock-drafts/brian-baldinger/55054
I find myself wondering
If AJ might be tempted to swap with the Dolphins again. Pats and Jags are likely to take front 7 defensive guys too. AJ might be able to jump them by swapping a third rounder or so? That could be a good move.
The play of chance and probability within which the creative spirit is free to roam. -von Clausewitz 'On Football'
by Brian (DaBolts) on Apr 25, 2011 1:54 PM PDT reply actions
Same thought crossed my mind
As we know Kevin Acee tends to be the voice man for AJ, and the buzz word around Acee is pass rusher, in a 3-4 D that’s OLB, so that means Smith & Kerrigan.
Kerrigan just sounds like an AJ pick, high production and motor, excellent intangibles, sounds just about right for an AJ pick.
Maybe, you're probably right but...
The buzz position las year was RB, and guess what, they took Ryan Mathews, so don’t be shocked on a OLB.
Not my experience.
AJ may blow smoke about specific players, but when he tells you what he thinks he needs, he’s probably being straight about it. Especially since most years most people tend to agree on what the team’s best draft option would be.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 26, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd be happy
with Kerrigan too. You just can’t have too many OLB’s in a 3-4; an upgrade at DE would be great too. A front seven play-maker is what I’d like to see.
The play of chance and probability within which the creative spirit is free to roam. -von Clausewitz 'On Football'
by Brian (DaBolts) on Apr 26, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I am a big fan of Wilkerson
watching the film, I like him more for our Defense than some of the other guys that are supposed to be taken higher. Most people have him and Cam Heyward going latter in the first. So I wouldn’t mind them trading down in the first round to Indy or Seattle and pick up some valuable pick in the forth and fifth round
BOOM!
Level of competition and stamina are my concern with Wilkerson
Most of his games were against guys he should dominate, and he put up very good numbers, but will it translate to the NFL, which includes a position change.
Early reports are that he really needs to improve his stamina, that he got tired quickly in his workouts.
understood
which is why I wouldn’t mind seeing us trade down to the bottom 8 to pick him up and an extra 4th or 5th.
BOOM!
If the 4 guys are gone, either him or Heyward I would like in a trade down
No picks in the 4th and 5th round, make a drop down intriguing.
Not a big fan of Ayers, i would prefer Sheard or Reed in the second
Competition level was the #1 knock on English.
Pass-rushers should be evaluated primarily for their performance against the best collegiate OTs.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 26, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Tell this to Gates
Not every good football player comes from one of the supposed “elite” conferences.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Apr 28, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
It matters more with pass rushers.
A small school receiver still plays on the same size field, catching a ball with the same aerodynamics, against a less-athletic version of the same DBs. A small school DE faces very different linemen. Because their opposition is subject to Planet Theory, you can’t really tell how a player will do against NFL teams unless you see him against NFL talent. That’s not quite as true (though still applicable) for WRs, but it’s everything for a DE/OLB prospect.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 28, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice rationalization
But I don’t buy it.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Apr 30, 2011 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions
1St Rd Chargers
Trading back can work, but not more then six places. Either Heyward or Wilkerson should still be on the board.This could backfire, but theres so much depth in 2nd & 3rd RD this year it’s worth the risk. My surprise pick for the Chargers is moving up to top of second Rd and selecting TE K. Rudolph of ND.
Donzietgr
It's mostly the stigma of drafting a TE
When we have the best TE in the league.
I’m not disagreeing that a 6th or 7th with great blocking technique is a good addition, but in the 2nd seems like a waste.
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
I like Rudolph, but they have other need way more urgent
The front seven on D, trumps any luxury pick like TE, I would very seriously consider him at pick 50, but I see no way he makes it down that far.
More likely a TE in the 6th or 7th round, as a pure blocker.
If this is the requirement at TE
we should take a good look at Andre Smith, Virginia Tech. Good blocker & very likely to be available in 6ht, 7th, or even UDFA.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Apr 28, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, 3rd day pick, please.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 28, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Paea
but I’d like him much more in the 2nd. ;-)
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Apr 26, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I like him at pick 50
Way to early in the first round, he’s my number one target if they don’t pick a 3-4 DE in the first round.
If no value to be had at OLB/DE, take a road-grader RT
But if Dallas goes defense, we should shop #50 to Washington to trade up. They may well take it. If that doesn’t work, we should keep trying to trade up. This scenario would maybe entice Miami or Minnesota into trading down. If that doesn’t work, then I’m not sure I’d want to make any deals at all. I don’t like the idea of trading down into the late first unless the value is just superb.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Apr 26, 2011 10:48 AM PDT reply actions
If the 4 targeted guys are gone, then there is a drop off
I think then you seriously consider parachuting down 4-7 spots, and take Heyward, Wilkerson, & Carimi.
I’m actually quite comfortable with any of the 4 targeted guys, I think all of them can be really good players. If I had a preference I would go with JJ Watt. So I’m hoping, Jake Locker and maybe another QB is taken before the chargers pick, and maybe a second OT, then the chargers would even have options.
Add to those 4 players
another 4 potential picks at QB (from teams panicking after the 1st two are gone and proobably another 2 in corners and probably 1 off. linemen, 1 DT, and 1 (maybe 2) WR and that puts us at pick (4 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1) 16 (Jaguars). Followed by the Patriots and then US. (But remember I haven’t included any of the DTs and there is 1 that is going to be picked in top 3 for sure and maybe another one too so that could get us down to pick 15 (Jags) but nevertheless lets start at 13.
Lions may go DB with Jimmy Smith or a younger pass rushing DE
Rams need a WR and they need defense too especially a DT
Jaguars need a DE and probably another WR (but that’s a reach in the 1st)
The Patriots? Who knows, they are interested in a lot of positions that we are but have the most flexibility in the draft and could do anything.
Then SAN DIEGO. If the corner Jimmy Smith is still there then I say we jump and take him.
Again that’s if all of those DEs/OLBs are gone by pick 18.
Man I was just about perfect
In nailing this scenario and Jimmy Smith was right there! And we chose a DT to play DE…..
ooops typing and thinking at the same time
get rid of this part of my posting " (But remember I haven’t included any of the DTs and there is 1 that is going to be picked in top 3 for sure and maybe another one too so that could get us down to pick 15 (Jags) "
Jimmy Smith, Wilkerson, Phil Taylor in that order
Wilkerson is the run stopping beast we need at the DE position. Jimmy Smith is a top ten talent lock down CB, and Phil Taylor might allow Garay to take some snaps at the DE position. I really wouldnt mind Ayers though, he’s very versitile and could start inside if we needed him too. My favorite OT around 18 would be Carimi, that pick might make the most sense from a risk reward standpoint; but we need a defensive player
Winning
if those four guys re gone...
I guess we’ll just have to pick a QB. Dang that’s too bad.
Bowers?
If he drops due to the knee, is he worth the risk at 18?
Would you take him?
Do you think the Chargers would take him?
Man, we are less than 48 hours away from the Draft!!! i ma so pumped.
BOOM!
Doubt it, medical risk, bad scheme fit too
First off, every report on his medical seems bad, he might need micro fracture surgery, we just went through Merriman, not much interested in a fragile pass rusher.
He’s probably less agile than Kerrigan, he’s taller and heavier, meaning dropping into coverage is probably not a good idea. He’s basically just a 4-3 DE, so bad scheme fit means no also.
Nope. Not for a 1st rounder
You see what happened to us after Lights Out was no longer Lights Out. A miss in the 1st round for a team like us, who is so close to being in the Super Bowl could find themselves on the cusp for another 2 years while we search for that play-maker that we need to get over the “hump”. IMHO a 1st rounder has to be an instant starter, a playmaker, a 17 game person.
I just can't get on board with Kerrigan
Good player but a bad fit for our defensive scheme.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
I get the same feeling
I wouldn’t say he’s a bad scheme fit, more over, he just doesn’t pop off the film to me
BOOM!
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