San Diego Chargers Draft Busts - #1 Ryan Leaf
You saw this coming. Is he the highest pick in the history of the San Diego Chargers? I believe he is, if you take out the whole "The Chargers technically drafted Eli Manning" bit.
I had forgotten just how bad Ryan was until I looked at the numbers. These stats would be bad for Moses Moreno, much less the #2 overall draft pick.
18 starts (4-14), 48% completion percentage, 5.6 yards/attempt, 13 TDs, 33 INTs, 53 sacks.
My goodness, that is a lot of sacks and interceptions. The yards per attempt is bound to be low because of the insanely low completion percentage, but 5.6 is.....it's really, really low. His QB rating for his time spent in San Diego is 48.8. To put that into perspective, Derek Anderson's QB rating last year was 65.9. JaMarcus Russell's career QB rating is 65.2, and he's never dipped below 50.
The years make you forget just how poorly Leaf played as a Charger, but I think that says it all. As bad as Derek Anderson was last season, and as bad as JaMarcus Russell was for his entire career....neither was anywhere close to as bad as Ryan Leaf was in San Diego.
So why was he even drafted? Well, Leaf was the right player in the right system at the right time and in the right conference. He dominated the Pac-10 as the QB of the Washington State Cougars. In his junior (and final) season, Leaf was the Pac-10 offensive player of the year (after breaking the record for the most passing TDs in a season), was a first-team All-American and finished 2nd in the nation in passing yards. He finished third in Heisman Trophy voting, losing out to Charles Woodson and Peyton Manning.
After being picked by the Chargers 2nd, and considered a player with talents equal to Manning, Leaf stated "I'm looking forward to a 15-year career, a couple of trips to the Super Bowl and a parade through downtown San Diego." It's tough to be mad at him after saying that.
You don't need me to do a play-by-play on Leaf's career. The flaws were easy to identify from up close. Ryan did not get along well with his teammates, did not take kindly to heckling and did a terrible job at handling the media. On the field, Ryan was indecisive (a product of not being able to quickly read defenses, supposedly), inaccurate and generally frustrated.
After three years in San Diego (one spent on IR), Leaf was waived by the Bolts. He eventually caught on and performed similarly as a backup QB for the Cowboys and Buccaneers. After retiring, Leaf battled drug addiction and legal problems. It seems now that he's finally getting his life together, though. From his Wikipedia page:
In October 2009, it was reported that Leaf is living in Vancouver, Canada, and is a business development manager for a travel company. He feels that Vancouver is a fresh start and enjoys anonymity.
In December 2010, Leaf signed a contract to write three autobiographical books focusing on aspects of his football career and subsequent personal life.
Also, if you're not following Ryan on Twitter (and checking out his radio interviews with the Darren Smith Show) you're missing out. On it, Ryan comes across as humorous, humble and smart. Here's an example of one exchange with Marty Caswell.
Marty1090: So the NFL pre-season schedule is out. Normally I get excited over it- now am just wondering who exactly will be playing those games
RyanDLeaf: apparently maybe me, haha!! Let's see did I just totally kick the hornets nest!! Maybe build on that ugly W-L ratio, awful!!
Marty1090: Now THAT would be something! First game would have to be in San Diego, of course!
RyanDLeaf: oh god please don't do that to Chargers fans, haven't I done enough, ughhhh!
So there you go. Leaf has grown up, hopefully his troubles are behind him and Chargers fans wish him the best of luck moving forward with his life. Unfortunately, that doesn't save him from being the biggest bust in the history of the team.
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Thank Goodness
I wasn’t a Charger fan at the time, or I would have pulled my hair out. Doesn’t matter that I don’t have any on my head; I would have found it somewhere else.
It was similar to the JaMarcus thing for Raider fans
Where it was hard to hate him because he still had so much potential. He can probably still throw a football 80 yards.
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by John Gennaro on Apr 18, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
The Leaf era wasn't enough to make me NOT a Chargers fan...
… but it was enough to make me not care about football for a spell. The ONLY silver lining to that debacle was the redemption of drafting Tomlinson and Brees in ‘01. If Leaf wasn’t THAT bad, we wouldn’t have had the no.1 to trade to ATL.
his radio interviews
have made him seem very likeable. He admits the obvious, that he was overwhelmed with the transition to the NFL and didn’t have the social skills and the maturity to deal with the failure and pressures that inevitably come with being a top QB pick in the NFL.
It’s easy to say that the Bolts should have seen his meltdown coming, but remember that he was coming out of the same system that had just produced Drew Bledsoe (who was still considered a franchise QB at that time), and they really didn’t put guys through the pre-draft grilling that they do now. Couple that with the difficulty of projecting how someone is going to react to failure at the next level and Leaf’s clearly NFL level measurables and you can see how this mistake was made.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 18, 2011 10:40 AM PDT reply actions
Leaf Years Were Tough
I was relatively young at the time and Leaf was the third Chargers jersey I ever owned (after Natrone Means and Junior Seau). I thought, for sure, he’d wind up better than Peyton. He had all the physical tools, even as a huge bust, and all of his failures were mental. He just simply didn’t handle the adversity well at all (understatement). Not only could he not handle adversity in the game, he didn’t take too well to the media criticizing him too. He was just a very immature person. I wish him all the best in his future though. I never hated Leaf. I just hated him on the field.
"You play to win the game."
If he had had Rivers’ maturity, he would’ve been something.
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by John Gennaro on Apr 18, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Rivers struggled in Norv’s first year and a lot of the fans, myself included, ripped him. But Rivers handled it relatively well, bounced back and has developed into a great player. Leaf just couldn’t do that.
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Apr 18, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure he would have been much better even with his head screwed on right
If he had had Rivers’ maturity, he would’ve been something
Remember he had that torn labrum after his first season. Dude was confused, crazy, and broke down right from the get go.
Physically once the shoulder was hurt, I’m not sure even I guy like Philip River’s ever fully competes again (Drew did it – I wonder if his injury was as severe as Leaf’s). It is one of the big reasons why I think team success begins with the O-Line. A good line gives you the rushing offence AND keeps your QB healthy.
by Trendsearcher on Apr 18, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
If you can't beat Craig Wheelihan for a starting QB job in the NFL, you might be a Ryan Leaf.
@orz_bftb
the name Whelihan
actually makes me more depressed than Leaf. Is it just me? At least you could follow the logic that lead us to having Leaf on our team and trying to make it work with him.
With Whelihan, we had to talk ourselves into him every year and then felt stupid for doing so once the games started.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 18, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Whelihan is the fault of the Spanos family.
Leaf was just the biggest bust ever. That crap happens.
by BORTZ on Apr 18, 2011 1:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Whelihan? Laufenberg!!
Not sure if you young’uns remember him, but after living through Babe Laufenberg, Craig Whelihan was considered “hope”. UGH. Not sure if he was Ortmayer’s or Beathard’s.
by TennesseeTuxeD'Oh! on Apr 18, 2011 3:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
the babe
was understandable, considering he came on after Fouts. That sort of thing usually happens after hanging on to a legend too long.
Whelihan was more Billy Joe “Overthrow” Tolliver than Babe Laufenberg.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 18, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Erik Kramer
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by John Gennaro on Apr 18, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Whelihan was only here because he went to the university of the pacific.
The chargers actually thought those other players were good.
by BORTZ on Apr 18, 2011 7:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, let's not excuse Kevin Gilbride (super complex offense that requires the ball to be thrown before the receiver changes his route) and Mike Riley (the friendly nice coach) in sunting the young QB's development either.
@orz_bftb
Excellent points
The difference in Gilbride/Riley for Leaf and Moore/Mora for Manning was huge.
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by John Gennaro on Apr 18, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Great Points
"You play to win the game."
by MrWayneKeller on Apr 18, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you for that. I still hate Gilbride.
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by Richard Wade on Apr 18, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember watching him play a couple of times in college, once in the Rose Bowl against my team the Wolverines.
Michigan had a great defence that year and he took quite a beating and almost pulled off the upset. I [and many others] had no reason to believe he would not carry that success into the NFL.
"I read one article, I said, 'This guy doesn't know what he's talking about,' " Mayhew said. "Then I read another one, and I thought, 'Wait a minute, they're all saying the same thing.' -Martin Mayhew 2011 regarding Draft Gurus.
I had no idea he was on Twitter.
I bet the poor guy gets trolled like crazy.
www.FriarsOnCardboard.blogspot.com
"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
Seems like he takes it in stride
Someone brought up the idea of him doing a QB camp in San Diego on Twitter, and when I said it reminded me of Lawrence Taylor’s football camp in The Waterboy he agreed and laughed.
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by John Gennaro on Apr 18, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
i feel spoiled now to have a qb like rivers
yeah they didnt make the playoffs last year but it could be worse, much worse
canadas marriage is like their money, or military, no one takes it seriously
by bot on Apr 18, 2011 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Can anyone find his 1998 preseason stats?
I remember he was awesome in the ’98 preseason. If memory serves, SD played the Colts in the preseason and Leaf looked far better than Manning in that game. I thought we had the right guy, especially when he started 2-0. Dude was 2-14 for the rest of his SD career!
Well...
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by Richard Wade on Apr 18, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aw come on,
no one has linked the DONT TALK TO ME KNOCK IT OFF meltdown yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMe0Rz1frdE
@orz_bftb
If your followed the Chargers when they drafted Leaf
and you are honest, then you would admit that taking him at # 2 seemed like a great move at the time. I do not recall anyone calling him out or saying he was taken to high. Did I just use Leaf and high in the same sentence without mentioning drugs?
Agreed
I seem to remember many of the pundits saying that, Manning or Leaf, either was a good choice. I also seem to remember that it wasn’t a lock that Indy would take Manning…Imagine if it had gone the over way.
by TennesseeTuxeD'Oh! on Apr 19, 2011 11:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Devil's Advocate.....
I have on occasion pointed out a few things that people overlook.
1) Succession of coaches over his time: want to see a QB fail, change coaches and schemes…ask Alex Smith if it matters
2) 2 of the 3 coaches were 2 of the all time worst coaches: I can’t even come up with 1 redeemable positive thing for Gilbride other then I wished Buddy would have knocked him out. He was and is poor material for head coach. Mike Riley, great guy, beloved by media to the point of nausea, but a terrible pro coach; clearly over his head. June Jones simply didn’t stay long enough. Why the diatribe on the coaches, coaches are suppose to plan, train, and psychologically manipulate their players in to performing. So what training did they provide to 1 of the youngest QB’s ever in the NFL; did they sit behind a veteran like Drew Brees.The coaches hid behind the Ryan Leaf fiasco; but they were the most guilty.
3) While I love Rodney and Junior as great players, their defense made us keep remembering our Super Bowl visit..however they were the team leaders, not just defensive leaders… Junior pouting over not getting his money, us vs them (defense being pet down by offense)…sorry team divided will always fail
4) The offense skill positions were sad, a ballooning Natrone and 3rd down extraordinaire were the only the redeeming highlights…Bryan Still your go to guy? Jeff Graham? oh yea Curtis Conway….Peyton had Marshal Faulk/Marvin Harrison/Marcus Pollard and still was 3-13.
5) The offensive line was quite possibly one of the worst; the sacks were atrocious. The real problem with them was they couldn’t slow the other team down. Pro Bowl Qb’s look like pro bowlers with 3.5 seconds, they don’t look good with 2.5 seconds; ask Manning what happens when people are in your face. The real problem with the line is that they lacked heart over those years; Harbaugh was running for his life when he was in there; but the telltale for me, was when Regan Upshaw came off the end and speared Ryan head. Ryan ended up with a cracked jaw, Regan walked off strutting……never in 100 years would Russ Washington let a crack our QB, if you don’t want the job then quit or retire
6) Expectations….a kid rules a small town, a kid goes to a lackluster Pac 10 school and almost carries the day….some pro team thinks drafting a 21 yr old from a fishbowl will carry the day despite having poor coaching and no talent around him. If you thought this was a good bet, please send your cash to me.
Now if you think this was an apology for the kid, not going to happen; I always though he was an immature kid, to be honest reminds me of Big Ben without rape part.
But truthfully I never thought he had a chance, the team was screwed up too much for even Joe Montana to be successful. Beathard’s biggest mistake wasn’t drafting Leaf; it was pushing Bobby Ross out of the rowboat. The doctors never addressed torn rotators cuffs after season 1, nor did they adequately address his wrist. It is too bad if Ryan would have had the wrist surgery like Tampa asked, his career under Dungy might have ended differently.
by bo_shilo on Apr 18, 2011 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
All true
The point about the coaches is especially true. Neither gilbride nor Riley has gotten another sniff at a HC despite lots of success at their current levels.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Apr 18, 2011 9:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Uhmm let's look at Ryans behaivor after he left the team
The coaches hid behind the Ryan Leaf fiasco; but they were the most guilty
How much stuff has Leaf gotten into since he left the Chargers? Come on the coaches may have not been able to find a way to help Leaf, but it his life and he runs it. I suppose Purple Drank’s motivational coach is to blame for his doldrums too?
by Trendsearcher on Apr 19, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
What would be the point of having a coach?
A coach’s job is to get the most performance out of his players and team. Gilbride and Riley were complete failures in regards to the team and Leaf; they got no performance, no gutty losses either just slop.
I wouldn’t have drafted Leaf for several reasons; it takes years to develop a NFL Qb, we drafted Rivers because at the time Brees stunk. Fouts looked real bad the first couple of years. Elway wasnt that great either his first.
Leaf 45.3%/15 picks/22 sacks
Fouts 44.8%/13 picks/14 sacks
Elway 47.5%/14 picks/28 sacks
Peyton 56.7%/28 picks/22 sacks
So you play coach, you draft a 21 yr old (the youngest in the draft I believe) onto a sucky team. Your first move is throw him in there and go with the trial by fire…ask Matt Stafford how that works…He should have sat, earn teammates respect, grow up and understand how the game works at the pro level, which is far faster, more intense and more ego driven than college
And for the record, I think Jamarcus was a far worse choice and a bigger bust…Ryan Leaf suffered a torn labrum which the doctor didn’t bother to vet until the start of the 2nd season, a broke jaw, a splintered wrist….Jamarcus, just didn’t want to try
Sorry, i still intensely dislike the coaches for a failure to even act like coaches…they got a free pass on their crappy jobs…a few other got a free pass, because of complete whining over Ryan Leaf….He sucked at the mental part and should have sat on the bench till he grew up and was ready
Those coaches were bad
but that doesn’t mean Ryan was not ALSO bad. Maybe the coaches could have helped him -they didn’t. A bad coach can make a good player look bad too – I get that.
Ryan Leaf at the NFL level would have probably been bad even if he had a good coach.
by Trendsearcher on Apr 19, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree....
while talented, I would not have drafted him or traded that much for him. A lot of talented guys do nothing; however a lot of people skated the blame for those crummy teams, because it was easier to point at Ryan Leaf’s failure. He turned out to be a lousy player on a lousy team with lousy coaches….but my only real point has to do with team and coaching failures were a far bigger problem…those guys even Junior and Rodney get a free pass, because Leaf was to blame for all
Ryan Leaf was an immature kid drafted to a crummy team….it was like going to your mother in laws with your buds, it just wasn’t going to end pretty
what i never understood
was giving so much to arizona, who just the year before had drafted jake plummer and obviously werent in the market for another young QB./
"i'm not inclined to resign to maturity"...PSYCH theme
by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Apr 19, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I have uniquely special insight.
I went to HS with Ryan Leaf. True story. My dad was military and I lived in Montana during HS. Granted I was a frosh and he was a senior at the time, but I still spent time in the same halls and on the same practice field at CMR High School in Great Falls, MT.
He was always a cocky guy, always a bit of a prick and more than a bit insecure. He succeeded arguably the best HS QB in Montana State History, Dave Dickenson, when he got the starting job. Dave Dickenson was a Flutie like QB, who was a CFL star and actually was a backup for the Bolts for a year in 2001. Right after they cut Leaf, oddly. I believe Dickenson, never lost a game as a starter and won the school 2 State Championships and had his number retired immediately upon graduation.
Leaf never compared. In my freshman year we lost in the first round of the state playoffs. I was on the sidelines (not playing, mind you) but I remember seeing the frustration on our coach’s face during the whole game. Now I usually say at this part of the story that Leaf was calling his own plays during the game, pissing off the coach. That was the rumor we all heard on the sidelines and after the game, but I can’t say I never heard conclusively that it was the case. Although it fits with his personality and even if it wasn’t true, the fact that it was passed around is evidence enough to tell you his reputation.
Years after Leaf left was at WSU he was never put on the Football Hall of Fame, at least while I was still there. It really wasn’t a tough accomplishment either, there’s probably a hundred ex-p who were 1st/2nd team all state on the wall). But, he did make the Golf HOF. Yeah, our school had a golf team, but not a baseball team. Go figure.
I digress. Flash forward to when Leaf got drafted, I was just out of HS, a freshman at Maryland and I remember the whole thing playing out. As my friends can attest, while I thought it was “cool” that Leaf may go to my favorite team and honestly who doesn’t love seeing someone they know go to their favorite team, I felt like it wouldn’t end well if he played bridesmaid to Manning in the draft. There was a good part of me hoping that the Colts would take him. His meltdown came as no surprise to me, even though I was crushed when it happened. My friends never let me hear the end of it for many reasons and I felt like some bizarre epicenter of the Leaf/Charger disaster. I think the insecurity was always there and he tried to cover it up by puffing out his chest and being a tough guy, but mentally he was fragile. This all seems so obvious after seeing how his story has unfolded in the past 10 years.
When the Manning stuff was playing out 5 years later, I just imagined the same insecurity playing in Eli’s mind. Was relieved when the Chargers got Rivers instead and thought Eli would never amount to anything. Of course, that’s another story for another thread.
by ElectricTerp on Apr 19, 2011 7:23 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So you think if he would have gone before Manning it would have ended better?
Just that flip in events would have made all the difference?
It is cool that you had a firsthand experience on those early events.
Leaf never compared. In my freshman year we lost in the first round of the state playoffs.
But right here ^^. It seems like even your memories kind of lay out the dichotomy. How can making it to the state championship game NOT compare to any past event in school history? Hell how many HS do you have in Montana? 12? State Championship game sure sounds good to me.
And that to me was the thing with Leaf. He did have all the tangibles physically. He did have the early success. He did come from a big time college program. On paper he measured up to just about every objective criteria you could use. And yet it didn’t work.
BTW that insecure thing… Pretty common in professional athletes, particularly football players. Hang around with some of these guys and it starts showing up in funny ways. Ever notice how many football players are edgy, easily provoked into a fight? Almost looking for a fight???? Insecurity; just a way to bring the situation into a comfortable place where they have experience and advantage. I’ve known a couple of football players over the years. Ya kind of learn to let that grumpy stuff go. They don’t mean much by it. Its just a sign of some degree of insecurity usually not about the focus of their agression too.
by Trendsearcher on Apr 19, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I kinda do, that's just my gut however
He didn’t make it to the championship game, we got to the playoffs, first round. In Montana, where at the time there were 12 AA High Schools, if you didn’t make the playoffs it was flat out embarrassing. As far as Montana football was concerned, CMR was no slouch either and losing in the first round is pretty awful.
The more I’ve thought about it today, the more I’ve questioned myself about if Leaf had any shot, even going to Indy. Much in the same way I wonder if Manning would have had success in San Diego. Even I’m not immune to the fact that my past experiences have been clouded by all the events since then. He obviously had great success at WSU and that’s probably a part of the story I don’t know enough about, something obviously went right in college.
Anyway…worst pick ever. For sure.
by ElectricTerp on Apr 19, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Dave Dickenson
One of 7 CFL QBs, that I can remember off, the top of my head, to play in both the NFL and CFL. Doug Flutie, Joe Theisman, Sean Salisbury, Warren Moon, Jeff Garcia and John Hufnagel are the others I can remember though there probably were more.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Apr 20, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't even into football back then.
The 90’s were my basketball/soccer/baseball days…
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Next article: Scouting Greg Manusky, coming soon.
by Superduperboltman on Apr 19, 2011 7:59 AM PDT reply actions
I thought we weren't supposed to talk about "he who is not to be named"
Of “the season we do not mention”
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
Sacks
All those sacks may have scare sh..t, and cause those interceptions.

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