Should the Chargers Sign Shaun Rogers?
Shaun Rogers is one of the best DTs in the NFL. At least at one point he was. Shaun was Warren Sapp, if Warren Sapp spent his career rotting away on truly awful teams in cities that were falling apart.
Take a second and look at Shaun Rogers' career statistics. Go ahead, I'll wait.......I KNOW, RIGHT?!? Some of those stats are just absurd. In 2008 he had SEVENTY-FIVE tackles. Was he playing Middle Linebacker? And that wasn't even that rare! Here are the number of tackles he had in his first four NFL seasons: 81, 48, 58, 68. Each of those seasons he also averaged about 3 sacks per season. Talk about a run-stopper.
In 2007, he had 7 sacks and an interception (that he returned 66 yards for a TD). He was then subsequently traded to the Cleveland Browns, and now he (along with just about every other guy that Eric Mangini traded for) has been cut from the Browns and is an unrestricted free agent.
At 31 years old (32 next month), Rogers is a bit more like Jamal Williams than he is Ndamukong Suh, but something tells me the chance to play on the team of his choice might invigorate big Shaun for a year or two of spectacular play.
I do not really expect Travis Johnson to be signed back to the Chargers, and I think Jacques Cesaire will be allowed to walk too if the team finds an upgrade. If Shaun Rogers were at the point in his career/life where he'd like to come to Southern California and play for a winning franchise, I could see him signing on with a "San Diego Discount" and forming a scary defensive line along with Antonio Garay, Luis Castillo and Co. Think that might help Larry English?
Not to go off on too much of a tangent, but since Igor Olshansky left that OLB position opposite Shaun Phillips has never been the same. Sure, Shawne Merriman was injured, but when he was healthy he wasn't great. Maybe part of that had to do with the drop-off at that DE spot? Maybe all Larry English needs is the same support in front of him that Merriman had during his dominant seasons.
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Sounds good.
But would that make us more smash-mouth?
by Zach (maestro876) on Feb 10, 2011 12:00 PM PST reply actions
Yes, it will be expensive
Ideally sign him for a 2 year deal
Where are you suggesting playing him?
You suggest him as a replacement for Cesaire/Johnson, but he seems oversized for the prototypical 3-4 DE.
That's why I included this option...
No, he’s a bad fit for out system/roster
He doesn’t need to be a prototypical 3-4 DE though. Without doing any research, I seem to think that 3-4 d-lines that have two DT types and one 3-4 DE type (speedier) seem to do better. Haloti Ngata moved from DT to DE. Does he seem like a DE to you? The Pats have played with two DTs and one DE for years, and it’s helped them through injury more than once as well as providing a very good run-stopping defense.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 10, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, was waiting to vote until I figured where he might or might not fit.
I don’t mind a lot of beef on the line, but I’m still in the process of learning about the 3-4.
I guess I should have been more specific with my question(s).
Do you see Rogers at NT or DE in the Chargers 3-4?
If NT, do you fill the DE position with Martin or Garay, or via the draft?
Would having Shaun Rogers on the roster possibly slow the development of Martin or Thomas?
Do you see Rogers at NT or DE in the Chargers 3-4?
DE. As someone mentioned before, he was even moved to DE in Cleveland this last season. Garay was too good at NT to move him.
Would having Shaun Rogers on the roster possibly slow the development of Martin or Thomas?
Yes and no. Would it eat into their time on the field? Yes. But would they have another veteran around to pick his brain and learn his tricks? Also, if they add Rogers but lose Cesaire and Travis Johnson there should be plenty of snaps to go around.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 11, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
Oversized? Not so sure about that.
I mean, yes, he’s huge, but the reason NTs tend to be humongous and DEs tend to be just big is that you need a guy who has a bit more quickness than an NT needs, and it’s okay if he’s smaller. Rogers is quick enough despite his size. Imagine Rogers, Garay, Castillo, Phillips and some guy are bearing down on your QB. “Some guy” will quickly get a reputation.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Feb 10, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
How big a risk would the Chargers be taking?
At 31, what’s the chance that Rogers has lost some of that elite quickness, and would the Chargers just be paying for previous output instead what he actually brings to the team?
The numbers John linked to above make him seem damn reliable, but they also make it seem like he might be damn expensive.
The numbers John linked to above make him seem damn reliable, but they also make it seem like he might be damn expensive.
Both probably true. This is why a lot of the post was about Rogers taking a San Diego discount.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 11, 2011 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
I initially wrote off the idea of signing him for this reason
But after reading this post and some of the comments the idea is growing on me. We certainly would have a stout D-line and wouldn’t get pushed around nearly as much by the more physical teams. If he can play the DE spot opposite Castillo, then it would be a great addition and would open up our OLBs, which would help the consistency of our front seven as a whole. It’s an intriguing idea…
I voted yes
But I’m not sure now, because if I recall correctly, Shaun Rogers was talked about as a NT, right? We don’t need that position.
Agreed
As much as I like the guy and think that he still has a bit left in the tank, I’m not sure how much he brings to the Chargers.
We’re pretty solid at NT with Garay rotating with young guys like OG and Cam. I would LOVE to have Rogers as part of the rotation on running downs but given our finite cap space and even more limited roster space, I’m not sure there’s room for another guy in the mix.
While I definitely agree that we should try to shore up the DE position opposite of Castillo, Rogers is definitely not the answer there either.
Rogers is definitely not the answer there either.
I don’t see why not.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 10, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
GB
ran three really heavy guys on their DL. Kind of a different take on the 3-4 but perhaps not a bad idea. Get away from the concept of pass rushing playmakers in there and just have three run cloggers / pocket collapsers. Bring the heat from the outside or with ILBs and Ss up the middle. I think we could do the same thing with Garay, Cam, and Martin + 320 guy off the street / OG. Not sure if adding Rodgers would improve that much.
I guess it really depends on how much he is going to get. Remember that he is probably looking at his last decent sized contract, so will probably not take any sort of discount.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 10, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Cleveland tried him at DE, then cut him
He played most of his career in a 4-3 in Detroit, then had one great year in Cleveland’s 3-4, when he played basically exclusively at NT. Since that first year in Cleveland, he’s been in decline. He doesn’t have the strength he used to have so Rob Ryan tried playing him at 3-4 DE last year. Clearly the experiment was a failure, because he’s now out of there.
Now sure, it’s possible that he could get another shot in the 3-4 DE rotation here. But keep in mind that he’ll be another year older and he’s not the kind of guy that can make up for a decline in athleticism with nonstop effort or motor. If anything, he’s been lambasted most of his career for being lazy… and when a guy like him who’s taller than normal for his position gets lazy, he plays tall and completely loses leverage.
I just don’t see him as an answer when (1) it’s far from a guarantee that he’ll be an improvement at DE (2) even if he takes a “contender discount” he’s not going to come cheap, especially when we have so many of our younger guys to re-sign in the next couple of years and (3) he comes with a reputation for being lazy, carrying loaded guns onto planes, and various other legal troubles.
Tough Call
But he’s probably going to end up with the Redskins…
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 10, 2011 12:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Haynesworth 2.0?
Another summer full of media speculation over whether Rogers can pass Shanahan’s physical?
Ha
Or get up off the turf. The funniest film clip this season was Haynesworth just laying down against the Eagles and the guy assigned to block him just looking confused because he had nothing to do. I’d rather see us take a young Turk out of the draft.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 11, 2011 7:23 AM PST up reply actions
Shaun Rogers playing DE= win.
He can stop the run, therefore, the other team will not have success running. Since you win by running, the other team will therefore lose.
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by Superduperboltman on Feb 11, 2011 6:29 AM PST reply actions
Hell, Igor couldn’t do anything but stop the run and the defense seemed better than than after he left.
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by John Gennaro on Feb 11, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
This is a much better signing then Sanders
Chargers fans this would be a much much better signing for your team then Bob Sanders. Rogers isn’t anywhere near as injury prone as Sanders even though he can be at times injury prone and he fills a much bigger need for your team at NT.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Feb 21, 2011 6:03 PM PST reply actions

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