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Search Committee - What names do we present to Spanos for new HC?

Although I doubt that any of the owners read this, I thought it might be beneficial for all of us to have a serious discussion about who we the fans want to replace Norville Turner. I had been giving the matter some thought during November (before the 3 game run) and really serious thought since the Christmas Eve disaster.

Please post your nominees for the search committee. You can even defend coach Turner if you want. Please convince the committee as to why your nominee is the guy to lead us to the promised land. After the jump, I give you my five candidates to start our search; one retread and 4 current NFL assistants.

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1, Jeff Fischer, former HC for the Tennessee Titans: USC player under John Robinson. He was drafted by the Bears in the 7th round in 1980, made the team, playing under Buddy Ryan. Went on IR in 1985 and was Ryan's assistant while on IR. Followed Ryan to Philadelphia in 1986 and then was promoted to Defensive Coordinator in 1988 at the age of 30 (at the time the youngest coordinator in the league). In 1994, he got the DC gig under Coach Pardee in Houston. Pardee was fired in November and Fischer took over as interim HC. Remained HC of the Oilers/Titans until the end of the 2010 season. Overall record 142-120 (regular season) and 5-6 in the playoffs, including one SB appearence.

Pluses – Experience; he has coached outstanding teams, bad teams, rebuilding teams and teams on the way up. Reputation; Fischer is probably the most credible former coach out there. Time away and not being on TV; only out a year and has not become part of the football media. Minuses – Has never really been considered an innovator, although some of his coordinators (Jim Schwartz, Greg Williams, and Mike Munchak) seem to be having success. He has not coached a 3-4 style defense.

2. Perry Fewell, current DC for the NY Giants. Fewell played his college ball at a small school. Between 1985 and 1997 punched his ticket at 4 college programs in position coaching on the defensive side of the ball and ending as the DC for Vanderbilt in 1995 through 1997. Hired as DB coach by Jacksonville in 1998 and did that job for Rams and the Bears until 2005 when he was hired by the Bills to be their DC. He was named interim HC after Jauron was fired in 2009. The Bills had a 3-4 record on his watch. Last two years he has been the Giants DC.

Pluses – Defensive minded coach that is noted for his intelligence and charisma. He is also noted for having the ability to make quick adjustments during games or to shake up his teams during rough stretches. Minuses – He has not served under elite coaches. He would need a good OC for the side of the ball he has not coached. He also lacks playoff experience.

3. Winston Moss, current assistant head coach / ILB coach for the Green Bay Packers. He was an NFL LB, the 50th pick in the 1987 draft after playing his college ball at Miami (FL).the Seahawks and the team we don’t name on this site, in addition to TB. He retired in 1997 and his first coaching job was as Defensive QC assistant coach for Seattle. Was a Saints assistant coach from 2000-2005, leaving New Orleans to become the LB coach for Green Bay in 2006. Was promoted to DC in 2007 and was the only defensive coach to NOT get fired after the disaster season of 2008.

Pluses – Another defensive minded coach that knows what a championship team looks like. Minuses – Same as Fewell’s, except that Moss does have playoff experience.

4. Mike Zimmer, current DC for the Cincinnati Bengals. He played college ball at Illinois State, starting at QB and then moving to LB after a hand injury. Defensive position coaching at college programs from 1978 – 1984, becoming the DC for Weber St. in 1985. He became the Washington St. DC in 1989, staying there until 1993. Joined Dallas Cowboys staff in 1994, and stayed there through several coaching changes through 2006. Was Cowboy DC from 2000-2006. Was Bobby Petrino’s DC in Atlanta for the 2007 season. DC for the Bengals in 2008 on.

Plus – Has showed an ability to develop defensive players and is considered “a player’s coach”. He also has been quite flexible in his career – when Parcells put in the 3-4 defense in Dallas in 2005, he coached it good enough to stay for another year, despite never coaching a 3-4 defense before then. Got a defensive back on track after a good 2009 season followed by a terrible 2010 campaign. Minus – Very little experience coaching winning teams and virtually no playoff experience.

5. Rob Chudzinski – Current OC for the Carolina Panthers. Played TE with Miami (FL) from 1986 – 1990, and was the starter for two National Championship teams. From 1994-2003, he coached for Miami, the last 3 years as OC, including a National Championship team in 2001 (remember Jeremy Shockey?). TE Coach for Cleveland in 2004. TE Coach for the Bolts in 2005 & 2006. OC for the Browns in 2007 and 2008; four Cleveland Offensive players went to the Pro-Bowl in 2007 (including Derek Anderson). Back to the Bolts for the 2009 and 2010 seasons, he then followed Ron Rivera to Carolina.

Plus – Player development; he seems to get more out of the guys that he coaches than even they may think is possible. Kellen Winslow Jr., Antonio Gates, Phillip Rivers, and Derek Anderson have had some of their best seasons when he has been on the coaching staff. He does know a lot of the Bolts current players and has recently coached many of them. Minus – May be too familiar with many of the players for what may be a reloading program. Also, he has not seemed to show a real commitment to any one organization or has not been around long enough to have a track record anywhere. (This may be actually plus, if the reason why he changes teams so often is due to being recognized as a genius and being in high demand from those he has worked with.)

My own personal favorites are Jeff Fischer and Winston Moss, but I would like to be further educated. There are certainly a number of other names out there.

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Sapnos.

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"You say you're nasty pirates,
scheming, thieving, bad bushwackers?
From what I've seen I tell you
You're not pirates, you're just slackers!"

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 27, 2011 4:54 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Hard to rationalize giving the keys to this Ferrari to someone without experience

Okay, comparing the Chargers to a Ferrari is a reach (even metaphorically), but my feeling is the team needs a coach with solid pro coaching experience.

by Andy (allfield) on Dec 27, 2011 5:32 PM PST reply actions  

So you would lean to Fischer?

Or is there another name you would like to throw out here?

North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.

by SDNativeinTX on Dec 27, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, first of all, to be clear, his family has adopted the English spelling rather than the German spelling, so it’s Fisher. And yes, I wouldn’t be too upset with his hiring. I also like Brian Billick. (The fact that he has a familiarity with the city helps.) And I wouldn’t even mind Steve Mariucci.

I know that our fan base is sensitive to “re-treads,” and I understand why. But as I said before, it’s not like this coach is going to be starting from scratch. Any new GM and/or Head Coach is going to be getting a lot of tools to succeed.

by Andy (allfield) on Dec 28, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

i dislike both...

turner/smith and duo that spanos’ “brain trust” chooses to replace them

by jayman66 on Dec 27, 2011 8:53 PM PST reply actions  

I think you state it perfectly when you say

“Innovative, driven coordinators who have not had their shot”. The only thing I would add to that is “young”. I am not a fan of the good old boy retread network, I would always lean towards the driven young talent in any sport or business venture.

by JeromeB on Dec 28, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

And there are several names out there of coordinators that may be ready.

I picked the four that I personally find to be the most intriguing. I would love to hear additional opinions on these or other names.

North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.

by SDNativeinTX on Dec 28, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

i really don't know

the DC for NYG begs the question about how bad the Giants D is right now; the others seem plausible but again, I would have to do a lot of digging to feel I would be doing much more than throwing darts

by jayman66 on Dec 28, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

The NYG have put something like 10-12 DB's on IR this season

It may not be that many, but I do know that all of the 4 presumed starting DB’s got hurt and hurt significanly before the season even started. The fact that they are even still in line to win a division title says something. Of course that D has something the Bolts don’t; a consistent pass rush.

North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.

by SDNativeinTX on Dec 29, 2011 5:55 AM PST up reply actions  

good point

I have NYG buddy who lamented how their DB corp got decimated in the pre-season.

by jayman66 on Dec 29, 2011 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Bill Cowher

How many of his coordinators/staff are still in the league today? How many are HCs? How many are OCs or DCs? If a HC can produce coordinators and assistants that are successful elsewhere then I think you have to take that into consideration because that means they are building a legacy that could last decades, not just seasons.

I am intrigued about Belichick though. I think his offensive philosophy, which he employed in Minnesota, is very similar to the philosophy (and therefore compatible with our current player personnel) to the one being used in San Diego. If he gets the job does he reach out to Leslie Frazier as his DC? Surely Frazier is going to be replaced in Minnesota as a HC right?

by MacDeezul on Dec 28, 2011 6:50 AM PST reply actions  

I mean Billick NOT Bilichick

He was also notable for being the offensive coordinator for the Minnesota Vikings (1992–1998) when they broke the then scoring record in the 1998 season.
As Ravens HC He had a 85–67 record in nine seasons (1999–2007) with the team, including 5–3 in the playoffs.

by MacDeezul on Dec 28, 2011 6:59 AM PST up reply actions  

The only problem I have with either Cowher or Billick

is that I question the ‘fire in the belly’ factor. Billick has been out of coaching for 4 seasons; Cowher has been out for 5. Both of these guys have rings. If we get a retread coach, I want one that has not been away from coaching for more than 2 years and has gotten close, but not gotten the ring and wants one…badly.

North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.

by SDNativeinTX on Dec 28, 2011 7:53 AM PST reply actions  

Interesting perspective

But I would also argue that “fire in the belly” = “burnout candidate.” If you come back too soon, you’re more likely to go off the deep end. If you’ve been away for (a little) longer, the fire and the energy returns. If you’re away too long, you’re just old and tired and washed up.

Watch Brian Billick on NFL Network or NFL.com. A) He’s smart — football smart. B) He’s still passionate about the game. He wants back in. And his buddy Jim Mora, Jr. got a job so he’s jealous. And he was unceremoniously booted out of Baltimore. He’s got something to prove.

by Andy (allfield) on Dec 28, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmmmmm... You've got me more sold on Billick

I do agree about the burnout candidate line of reasoning – for college professors, hard core research scientists, high end executives, doctors, lawyers, those types of guys – taking a one or two sabbatical in your 40’s or 50’s is not unusual and is generally viewed as a good thing.

It does seem from some recent news articles that FISHER’s (thanks for the correction) name is being circulated, so he does seem to be interested in getting back into after taking 2011 off. I have not heard similar buzz about Brian Billick. He has been linked to the Miami job, but there are mixed messages on that — indications of “interest” by him and, but then the quote of “They’re looking for young and cheap, and I’m neither.” So, I’m not sure about him. Although I think our situation is better than Miami’s.

North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.

by SDNativeinTX on Dec 28, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

"They’re looking for young and cheap, and I’m neither."

Wow. Where did you see/hear that quote? Is there a link? If that’s true, that’s too bad. That pretty much takes him out of most equations.

Meanwhile, perhaps we all should engage in a discussion about who we would like as GM. That’s at least as big a possibility.

by Andy (allfield) on Dec 28, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I did find the link for the quote, but it was in reference to the Jaguar opening

and he played it off as a joke: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/16/2548447/former-baltimore-ravens-coach.html

He did sound intrigued about the Miami job. They also had a statement from Fisher’s agent in that article about his willingness to talk to “anyone” about coaching again.

North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.

by SDNativeinTX on Dec 28, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Im not young or cheap.

I have no problem with that statement. How much is winning your first super bowl EVER worth to you as an organization? I mean if we are willing to pay our franchise players to stay on the team wouldn’t it seem proper to pay the individual who is responsible for all of their performances well too? Sometimes “you get what you pay for”.

by MacDeezul on Dec 28, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Not to be nitpicky

But both have a ring, at least as a HC. Not knocking it, but each one once. As did Gruden. And Dungy. All of these former HC commentators seem to have that in common. Probably a good gig; get paid because you won. Go out and not win again, maybe the aura is gone.

For whatever reason, of that group, only Billick gives me any confidence, even he is old and expensive (I saw the quote live, he did say it, but it did not come off as arrogant, more a clever way to end the “will you come out retirement for this franchise” line of questions).

by jayman66 on Dec 28, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

What about Gruden?

If AJ is fired and Smith is retained, isn’t Gruden the most likely choice?

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by Goofus on Dec 28, 2011 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

Oops

I meant Norv fired and Smith retained.

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by Goofus on Dec 28, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Which Gruden?

Personally, I’d prefer Jay. I’m not too big on retread coaches, like say, Norv.

by Kame on Dec 30, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Are we looking for an entire staff replacement?

Virtually everyone will agree that Norv needs to go. Most would extend this to Manusky as well, and Clarence Shelmon probably won’t be spared the axe either.

I like Billick or Fisher as a head coach, and any of the three defensive coaches up there for DC. Is offensive coordinator a particularly high priority if we get a head coach who will be calling the plays?

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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 28, 2011 9:32 PM PST reply actions  

agreed.

the O-line coach, maybe he deserves a second look as a keeper.

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I would keep the D-line coach

Considering:
a) Martin and Thomas have been developing into starters the past two seasons; and
b) Keeping staff is cheaper than firing staff.

The problem with Linebacker coaching is probably more an issue of injuries and lack of talent.

by Lightning Hobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Brian Billick

Yes he’s re-tread, however he is the only HC to actually win a Superbowl “AS” a HC. while most may argue the defense in baltimore won that championship, i would agree. However, Billick showed his intelligence there, by not getting in the way of what was working. example Norv’s first day on the job, “…I don’t need a Fullback in my system…” what followed was the pro-bowler LoNeal asking to be released, and LT’s production going into the toilet. if it ain’t broke….
what got Billick the job? the spread, high scoring offense in Minnesota which featured Cris Carter, Randy Moss and Dante Culpepper. i can see this offense with Jackson, Brown, Floyd, Gates, Mathews, Tolbert and El Captain seeing it’s full potential under his guidance.
The big question, what got him canned? He thought Kyle Bowler was an NFL QB.

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Dec 29, 2011 12:30 AM PST reply actions  

I would welcome Billick as well

Maybe Fisher. Cowher and Gruden, no thanks. Part of another thread, but will be curious what kind of offense they want PR to run. I think he could run a spread like Brady and Brees. He is not very mobile, granted, but I think his quick reads and quick release would work well.

by jayman66 on Dec 29, 2011 7:43 AM PST up reply actions  

lo neal

got the boot because he was done.

by BORTZ on Dec 29, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I heard a rumor -

that Bill Polian (Colts) may be on the hot seat after this “failed” season. The argument is “yeah we didn’t have Peyton but 1 – 15?!”. If this is truly the case and this does happen I would happily invite Mr. Polian to San Diego to sign a contract. After all…

Peyton Manning
Marvin Harrison
Reggie Wayne
Dallas Clark
Marshall Faulk
Edgerran James
Dwight Freeney
Robert Mathis
Bob Sanders
Antoine Bethea
Gary Brackett
Pat Angerer (?)

by MacDeezul on Dec 29, 2011 8:45 AM PST reply actions  

I can dig it.

Polian’s 2011 draft worried me though; there were a couple big reaches. (Pat Angerer in the 2nd? He was a monster at Iowa but he was unanimously graded a mid-third-rounder at highest.) I don’t want to fire AJ and bring in another GM who will just make AJ-type reach picks.

Yakety Sax: Making divisional matchups hilarious since 1963.
Gaslamp Ball: SMELLS LIKE PROSPECTS IN HERE

Please, call me StrangeBro.

by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 29, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I am planning on posting a similar list of GM Candidates next week

If Polian is available, I’ll include him.

North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.

by SDNativeinTX on Dec 29, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

(wasn’t the defense in Dallas the problem?)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jan 2, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

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by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I still have mixed feelings about the HCs avaible

I think it will boil down to choosing a HC willing to run an Air Corryel offense. Even if he doesn’t call offensive plays, I can see the fact that he chooses an OC that runs it, as a deal breaker with Spanos.

by Lightning Hobo on Jan 1, 2012 10:46 AM PST reply actions  

Id like to see Manusky as HC

Pagano elevated to DC, and Joiner installed as the OC. Also would prefer AJ stayed on to manage this offseaon. I liked his draft overall and most of his moves last year

Winning

by Foilhat on Jan 1, 2012 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

You lost me with "Manusky as Head Coach"

He needs to be gone. Immediately.

Yakety Sax: Making divisional matchups hilarious since 1963.
Gaslamp Ball: SMELLS LIKE PROSPECTS IN HERE

Please, call me StrangeBro.

by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 2, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Manusky? Manusky's unit was the problem with this team.

Bolts from the Blue // "At least when Wade is spewing vitriol he does so with an intellectual flair." - insanebolt21
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan

by Richard Wade on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Jeff Fisher being targeted by the Rams

…. one coach gone? BUT!!!! Could Steve Spagnola, who was the DC for the World Champion Giants fit and turn things around for us in San Diego as the DC? ….. Hmmmmm they always had great DL play in NYG but its a 4-3 scheme… I think its easier to go from 3-4 to 4-3 than it is to go from 4-3 to 3-4…..

by MacDeezul on Jan 2, 2012 1:49 PM PST reply actions  

Well its over!

GM and HC stay!!!!!

Big Freakin Mistake Spanos! Big Freakin Mistake! I see the why you keep Norv but AJ SMITH?!!!!! Come ON MAN!!!

1 of 2 things is going to happen. Either he (Smith) is going to mess up the draft ONCE AGAIN and NOT play in the free agency market OR He is going to have a semi-successful draft and mis-lead you into thinking that you made the right decision. He HATES San Diego! Why do you keep this dude!?!

by MacDeezul on Jan 3, 2012 12:06 PM PST reply actions  

And as it turns out, the search committee was told...{wait for it...}

YOU JUST WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR!

North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.

by SDNativeinTX on Jan 4, 2012 6:50 AM PST reply actions  

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