Detroit Lions Embarrass the San Diego Chargers 38-10
by John Gennaro on Dec 24, 2011 4:11 PM PST
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PrintWhat an awful, terrible, football game. After the Giants, Bills and Raiders won, the day seemed like it was on pace to be a great one for San Diego sports fans. Instead, Greg Manusky and the Chargers defense looked woefully unprepared to face Matthew Stafford and the Detroit Lions' offense.
I shouldn't place all of the blame on Manusky, who was terrified to blitz as soon as the team fell behind. Nobody played exceptionally well except for possibly Malcom Floyd, Eric Weddle (who the Lions avoided) and Nick Novak (who kicked one of the best onside kicks of all time). Philip Rivers went back to looking panicked and confused, throwing 2 interceptions along the way. Mike Tolbert gained 2.3 yards per carry. Ryan Mathews gained 5.3 yards per carry but was taken out of the game by an early Lions lead.
When everything went right and the pressure was highest (along with the possible reward being at its greatest point), the Chargers fell flat on their face. They were outmatched by a stronger, tougher, smarter team that is more talented and had a better gameplan.
San Diego is now officially eliminated from the playoffs. Norv Turner has lost any hope of being the Bolts' coach next year, and others will join him on the way out the door of Chargers Park. It's time to tank, look for draft picks, and start interviewing coaches.
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How was it embarrassing?
things happened they way they always do…
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
I must have a bad memory
I seem to remember us going to the playoffs a few times recently.
And I certainly don’t remember any recent 28 point drubbings. Probably have to go back at least 7 years for something this bad.
Let me refresh... would like to include the entire charger history, or just the current (Norv's)
but for the most let’s stick with the present, because the past will not win you games, today.
as per the topic, i expected the Chargers to go out like this. getting trashed by a team that is trying to make a “legitimate” push into the playoffs.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
If that was your expectation
Then why didn’t it happen last week?
I was ready for a loss, but never a stomping like this. A loss this bad hasn’t happened in recent memory.
Did you really expect Norv to let his former assistant, walk in here and beat him with his own plays?
The Chargers practice against the ravens offense every week. Every time the raves try to stop being the team they are, a team that runs a the football, and plays great defense. they lose.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
but again, this isn't about last week, this about this week...
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
I would think being behind 24-0 at halftime would be pretty embarrasing.
No slogans. Just win!!!
Philip Rivers really didn't look that bad
Those 2 picks were 1) a desperation throw and 2) a great defense of an obvious screen pass. There were numerous drops from his receivers and Mike Tolbert. I place more blame on Norv for keeping Tolbert in instead of Ryan than on Philip. The defense though…
I agree. Those were the kind of late picks you see from teams coming back from way behind.
No slogans. Just win!!!
Rivers was off all game
Forget the picks, he made a bunch of bad overthrows and made poor decisions on some throwaways. There were at least 3 or 4 plays when he had a wide open 2nd or 3rd option and he threw it into coverage for an incompletion. His fades weren’t there today, either.
As far as Rivers is concerned, good riddance to 2011.
by Alex Bourque on Dec 24, 2011 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sick of having an OC and DC and basically no HC.
What I mean by that is you have a guy (Norv) preparing the offensive gameplan and another guy (Manusky) preparing the defensive gameplan and nobody supervising and looking at the big picture.
by classicmfk on Dec 24, 2011 4:21 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
start intervewing?
they supposedly talked to cowher and Jeff Fisher wants the job as a HC. If these rumors are true which of the two would you guys rather have? Fisher is the vote for me
Acee says the Cowher rumor isn't true.
Maybe it was a conversation about interest that got blown out of
proportion, but I doubt it was an “interview”. I’d like to think that it’s a pretty desirable job and that we’ll have our pick of candidates.
I would personally prefer Fisher over Cowher but I’ll wait and see what the whole field of candidates looks like.
by classicmfk on Dec 24, 2011 4:27 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
acee is AJ's mouthpiece
I wouldn’t put any credibility to what that clown says. maybe if this city had a sports media that didn’t just spout the GM’s line the owner might feel some pressure to enact change. as it stands, San Diego doesn’t have the kind of press corps that can exert anything other than regurgitating what the coach and gm have given them to say
Acee is a reliable reporter.
I’ve actually read his reports, and he is most definitely not “AJ’s mouthpiece”.
by Falawful on Dec 24, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh please
Acee is a good reporter, he doesn’t work for AJ. Just because he’s probably the only media member in San Diego who isn’t constantly calling for the entire organization to be fired doesn’t make him a lickspittle.
Spanos feels plenty of pressure to change things from our tepid, bandwaggoning fanbase which seems to have 2 moods: wildly over-optimistic and depressingly pessimistic.
Neither mood seems to sell enough tickets.
by CABurrito on Dec 24, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Acee doesn't pander to the LCD
Which bothers the LCD.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Except I didn't use "lickspittle"
Which is an excellent word.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Maybe Spanos should adjust expectations a little bit.
This is the first year other than the ones that I was deployed that I didn’t go to a home game and the reason is that I couldn’t justify dropping $200 for the product on the field. The team needs to get better or the tickets need to get cheaper to match the product.
by classicmfk on Dec 24, 2011 4:51 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Oh he's gonna fire Norv
And probably AJ too. And the fanbase will be excited… for about a minute and a half. As soon as things don’t go well, they’ll start bitching and tune out again.
As for ticket sales vs. product on the field, what was the connection early last year? A team coming off 13-3 couldn’t sell out their home opener or their second home game?
I dunno.
I think it has a little to do with the economy and a little to do with the lackluster playoff performance. But you’re right, we have a pretty fickle fan base.
I’m just one of those guys that likes to let my money do the talking and I’m done with the Norv Turner Chargers. I’ll never stop rooting for them, but I’ll stop paying an arm and a leg to see them play live.
by classicmfk on Dec 24, 2011 5:15 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm not sure that AJ gets fired
He slacked a bit around 2008-2009 but he should get a chance to see how his last two drafts pan out. He gave up a lot for Mathews, but Mathews was much improved this season over last season even though he hasn’t yet had a full offseason with coaches, which will hopefully take care of the ball security issues. Mathews does have over 1,000 yards on the season and shown flashes of playmaking ability.
Butler has also looked great this season in what is his first full season with the team. Liuget has been serviceable which is about all you can expect from a rookie that is changing positions from the one that he played in college with completely different responsibilities. Gilchrist filled in admirably for Jammer when he was hurt, although he got exposed like a rookie when he took over for Cason.
Factor in the mid-season acquisitions from the last few seasons of Garay, Harris, and Gaither and I think he has earned at least another season or two to see how his latest picks pan out.
Agreed
His ‘street’ acquisitions alone have been great. I like the Mathews, Butler, and Thomas picks. Weddle has certainly worked out as well. CBD just got hurt too much; he had the skills. I can’t pass judgement on this year yet as the two most significant picks were at positions that take time to learn, at 34 DE for Liuget and CB for Gilchrist. Both have shown the physical skills and just have to learn the position. I like both picks though.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
How about?
Not being willing to admit that Larry English and Buster Davis were busts and adjusting likewise. The Chargers biggest problem on defense is the inability to create any kind of pressure. A.J. still has not replaced Shawne Merriman. He has even replaced Eric Parker as a quick possession 3rd down receiver/route-runner. The LBs are old and slow (LaBoy, Spikes, Diggs) and everyone in the secondary is a liability except Weddle who has to clean up everyone else’s dog poop. As much as see the potential in Mathews (he still has fumblitis), I would have much rather had Jason Pierre-Paul and then get a Ben Tate in the second round. First round running backs are typically overvalued.
Thoughts? "I have none. If there are any other developments, we will let you know." Charger GM - AJ Smith.
by bringbackbuddytrees on Dec 24, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
RE: to the response
See: old.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
English and Davis didn't pan out due to injury not due to lack of talent
we didn’t get to see them healthy enough to see if they would have ever become what AJ drafted them to be. As far as replacing Merriman…there are very few players in the draft every year that can come close to replacing the production that Merriman gave the Chargers in his first few seasons.
The LBs are old and slow? I noticed that your list of LB’s left out the two youngsters that are the future of the ILBs with Butler and Mouton.
Mathews is a much better RB than Ben Tate, Houston has a monster offensive line. As far as Pierre-Paul, hindsight is 20/20, you can’t criticize AJ for not having a crystal ball.
I think Norv's fate may seal AJ 's fate
Norv was AJ’s guy. It was AJ who got Marty fired and hired Norv, and if he goes AJ may have to go with him. Not uncommon among the executive set: your policy fails, you fail with it.
I believe the idea being reporting is often...
Telling the world what the “important” people have told you. Who is gonna have a better idea about what the team is doing than the guy running/owning the team?
by Alex Bourque on Dec 24, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Neither, thanks.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Fischer
he gets the most from his players, and he always had the titians ready to play, no matter who was on the field.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
I agree.
Even when they had almost no hange of winning they still were ready to take someone’s head off on their way out. I have now decided that the most important hin to look at when consIdering a head coach is how well their team is prepared. Norv constantly got outcoached. Rex says he would have had a ring here. Guess what I agree. I feel like almost any coach would have.
by bstew95 on Dec 25, 2011 10:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
There are clearly a lot of flaws with this team.
I expect we’ll see plenty of turnover in the coaching staff, and maybe the front office, to satisfy the bloodlust of many fans. I don’t expect anyone will be happy until the Chargers win a superbowl, though. I’m not personally a fan of Manusky, and I think Norv is done here. I would like to see promotion from within the current staff for the coordinator positions. I really don’t want any of the ‘big name’ guys like Cowher.
I feel pretty good about the players, but I’d like to see the OL settled, as much as that is possible, and we clearly need help at the OLB position. WRs need to be figured out but we’re in good shape with Brown showing what he can do this year. I still think a lot of the secondary problems were a result of the coaching and lack of pass rush, so I’m hesitant to call for Jammer to move to safety, even if he’s still interested in doing it. Gilchrist needs time to learn and we haven’t even seen Wright yet.
I don’t expect to be around any Chargers forums until things settle down, because not even Richard’s Banhammer can hold back the hordes after a season like this. My BP doesn’t need the strain.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I'm not sure that Spanos will do anything "to satisfy the bloodlust of many fans."
Norv should be and will be fired, and AJ should get another chance with a different coaching staff to see if they can develop the players that he acquires.
I wasn't trying to imply anything about Spanos' motivation
Just that it would satisfy people calling for heads. My ultimate point that it’s probably the right move, and people will still not be satisfied.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Gates gone
He posted on his Facebook that he has decided to leave the Chargers. Sad.
by ddg121 on Dec 24, 2011 4:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions
FEED MATHEWS the ROCK!! early get him going and open the play action game up, Tolbert looked horrible dropped passes way to much, lacked the intensity he usually has, didnt lower his shoulder and try running someone over just went down without a fight and let det get in his head. Ryan mathews ran hard on the carries he did have, ALL THE WAY TO THE END, didnt roll over and let Det. F_ck him. GIve ryan the rock in the red zone he obviously is a way better playmaker than tolbert, for the most part always picks up + yardage
DEFENSIVE PLAYMAKERS!
not players!
That is all.
I mean, it is a crapshoot when you draft a player if they'll make that jump.
Otherwise every franchise would be successful
Not to mention the guys we do have
Weddle showed what he can do when allowed to play to his own strength. Butler showed the hell up. Thomas did more than just show potential. He have some good pieces. What we really need are some average players where we’ve been starting backups.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I think an under-rated aspect of the Chargers organization
has to be their position coaches. We routinely turn players that other organization’s have given up hope on into playmakers that are coveted by the league i.e. Garay, Burnett, Gaither, Barnes
Our line coaches are great
I also like Pagano, the LB coach, as a DC candidate. His name has been put out there before. Joiner as WR coach is very good. Wilks at Secondary is good, and also has college experience at DC. I’m probably forgetting some other guys.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Our Offensive Line coach did great. He lost so many players, and he still had the backups ready to play.. and the backups backups.
I wasn’t that impressed with out defensive line. So, why should I think our Defensive Line coach did that well?
The DL coach lost his best player
And still managed to develop the young guys while taking up blockers. If the OLBs couldn’t take advantage (and they couldn’t), you can’t really blame the DL. They took the doubles and pushed on the 1-on-1s. They got sacks in a 34 defense, which isn’t really their job. The DL is not the problem on this defense, and probably would have been a strength with Castillo in there.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Okay you made great point there i'll have to back you on that.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Weddle? Butler? Phillips?
We have playmakers…but this defense needs a pass rush and that will change a lot.
Ryan has been running as good as anyone lately, and Det has been giving up an average of 136 yards a game, so i figured to see alot of RM24 to keep the lions off the field and what does norv do? doesnt run him pretty much at all until the last 2 min, tolbert gave up and played scared, Bambam played hard till the very end would love to see this kid given more opportunities in the RZ, also we need a real FB hester just doesnt cut it, he’s smaller than both RB’s, mathews finished with 11 carries for 58 yards and an average of 5.3 yards with 33 yards and 5 carries coming in the last 5 mins with the game out of reach. FIRE NORV!!!
It's hard to run when you're down by three scores.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
So I have a hard time criticizing Manusky after the lockout and no offseason to introduce his scheme, BUT...
I look at two specific games from this season and just have to wonder what he was thinking…
The Patriots game:
Rushing only 3 linemen the majority of the game and dropping 8 into coverage against Tom Brady? That’s the best that an NFL defensive coordinator could come up with? Sorry that just will never work.
This game against Detroit:
With the playoffs on the line and against a team with hardly any form of running game, the zone coverage scheme (or player execution of it) was just utterly and completely flawed. Receivers were coming wide open on every play, including Megatron who was the one guy who never should have been wide open. I can understand the guy catching the ball betwen 2 or 3 DB’s, but any time Calvin Johnson was in single coverage or wide open is just completely inexcusable.
He came into the organization touted as a guy who would dial up pressure on opposing QB’s and we hardly saw any of that this season while seeing quite a bit of it in preseason (which rules out the argument that he didn’t have time to install pressure packages this offseason). No pressure and no coverage = sucky defense
by jkvandal on Dec 24, 2011 4:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd. I keep telling myself that Manusky didn't have an offseason
But damn it, he had the whole regular season to figure this out and calls arguably his worst game in week 16. You’ve had time to install your scheme. You’ve had time to adjust to early injuries. And you screw up this bad? Piss-poor coaching.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I think Manusky psyches himself out sometimes
He thinks he needs to drop back into zone to keep the offense honest against shallow crossing/flat routes, but the reward far outweighs the risk in running blitzes. And realistically, he should be running some type of zone blitz scheme to counter-act the wholes for a blitz while keeping up the pressure. SDBM was telling me we don’t have the personnell to run effective zone blitzes, but I think the beauty of the zone blitz is that it can realistically drop anyone into coverage while also blitzing nearly anyone, see Wilfork pick.
I don't really think lack of blitzing is the problem, specifically.
You have to be able to get pressure with 4 rushers. That didn’t really happen this year, but Manusky just kept trying to get a pass rush from the base defense (which also included zone coverage, which the players are not good at). You can always manufacture pass rush with blitzing, but you’ll get shredded eventually and it’s not a sustainable strategy.
What it comes down to, in my mind, is calling plays that exploit your strengths. That doesn’t work when you bring in an outside guy and he tries to shoehorn guys into his scheme, as opposed to designing your plays around the skills of your players. That’s the difference between successful coaching turnover and complete rebuilding; you can hire a guy that suits what you have, or hire a guy with a scheme you like and rebuild the unit. The choice depends on what you have, and I think we have good enough players to build on.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Well, here's my thought process in-game
Stafford was shredding our zone coverage, stretching it vertically, horizontally, and then settling into the holes underneath. Our ILBs are not good enough to cover the Detroit TEs in man coverage. We have to bracket Calvin Johnson. At this point, it seems clear that any of our base coverage schemes simply aren’t effective, we lack the personnell to match up. Thus, in this game, we need to generate pressure on Stafford to have a chance, albeit slim, to win.
Once established that the opponent has a better personnel match-up against our scheme, I think the D-coordinator needs to switch to a higher-variance playcalling strategy to generate offensive confusion. Might we get burned? Yeah, but at least we’ll have a chance to create sacks or turnovers. In this situation, I think a coordinator should have a scheme in place that can create pressure via blitzes while keeping the offense guessing ala the Psycho fronts I saw Manusky using.
Basic Links:
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/the-zone-blitz-aggressive-and-conservative-all-at-once/
http://blitzology.blogspot.com/2010/12/green-bay-packers-psycho-package.html
http://smartfootball.com/gameplanning/attacking-psycho-fronts-and-other-blitz-heavy-defensive-looks
I'm familiar with the strategy
And I don’t disagree that it would have worked here (better than what was done, at any rate). I just don’t think it will work as a long-term solution unless the entire defense is built around it. I do think a DC should have a pressure package in place. I also think Manusky has that package, but chose not to use it. I’m not even going to get into why he may have made that decision.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
The problem with the zone is that you can't allow a QB time to pick it apart.
The Chargers did not get much pass pressure on Stafford the whole game. If you give a QB that much time to look, they’ll all pick apart a zone with ease. Except maybe Curtis Painter or Mark Sanchez.
No slogans. Just win!!!
And also, I generally agree
that you have to be able to get pressure with 4 rushers, but the fact is that we weren’t. The O-line was handling our stunts and rushes, so the D-coordinator should dial something else up to generate that pressure. Especially considering that their rush attack wasn’t potent.
Did you happen to notice
That the Chargers D was getting shredded without blitzing? I am not a blitz all the time guy but doesn’t a plan that’s not working warrant a change? I like how Manusky’s reputation is based on his “fiery” personality which Jon Gruden loves. Here’s some facts SF (post-Manusky with virtually the same personnel and Aldon Smith) is now a top 5 defense and SD was #1 defense and now is in the top 10 in most points allowed. Coincidence?
Thoughts? "I have none. If there are any other developments, we will let you know." Charger GM - AJ Smith.
by bringbackbuddytrees on Dec 24, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
You have completely missed the point of my post.
Nice work.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I was as surprised as anyone that the Chargers pass rush was so ineffective.
The Lions have been decent but not outstanding on pass protection. I guess Antwan Barnes. wasn’t the answer after all.
You guys need to do something about your secondary, though. Weddle is great, Cason is decent, but the rest are not very good. Jammer is past his prime.
Beyond that, the Charger receivers dropped too many passes and the Lions didn’t drop any that counted, which is unusual.
No slogans. Just win!!!
Barnes was never the answer
He’s good enough to exploit a weakness, but he can’t force anything. Hence the streaky/opportunistic sacks.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
you Are incorrect sir...
Barnes has faced the tackles, and he will never force anything that way. the guys in the middle, are not commanding any double teams. that’s why guys like Phillips an Merriman have been so successful in the past. Williams, Castillo an Cesar used to eat up double teams, and leave the OLB one on one with TE and RB to block them. The Chargers , interior are getting handled one on one, leaving the tackles to take on Phillips and Barnes. But, inspite of this, they are still able to get there.
the answer you are “referring” to in the middle of the D.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Eh?
I know the DL isn’t eating blocks like it used to. I know Barnes can’t handle a tackle 1-on-1. A good OLB can, though. Even Gamble could beat an RB or TE for a sack pretty regularly. A guy that can’t beat a tackle isn’t terribly useful as a pass rusher.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Your missing my point
Barnes is beating the tackles, but to do it “consistently” the three in the middle need to take on more double teams. Merriman was so dominant “because” of the three in middle took on a lot of double teams.
Barnes will only get better, when this changes. his talent is there, and a better OLB will only improve the “real” problem slightly.
;)
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Barnes isn't being double-teamed
Thus, I don’t see how the DL is holding him back. Merriman could beat guys 1-on-1. How does the ability of the DL to take double-teams affect Barnes, if he’s only facing a tackle? If it’s a tackle he can, beat, he gets sacks. He can’t beat most tackles.
For what it’s worth, teams usually double the interior guys and let the tackles handle our OLBs.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Went over you head again? that's the problem you don't see it...
a 34 only works when the three interior guys eat up blockers. that means it would be 3 on 4, or 3 on 5. That allows the OLB to rush the passer, in which case usually the blocker then is a TE or Running Back. even in running situations the OLB would disrupt the play, because the three guys in the middle gave the RB no where to run, except into the OLB. Merriman excelled at this because that’s who he was facing. because the three interior guys were eating up blockers. When they doubled Merriman, the benefits fell to Phillips or Castillo and even Olshanki.
But the way it is now. it’s 3 on 3. consistently. the Defense should be creating mis-matches to exploit. The Problem is the three guys in the middle are “handled” quite easily with one on ones. this creates no pressure. what do i mean? have you noticed teams are routinely are able to let their QB stand in the pocket, for more than 3 seconds, and step into their throw? that’s because nobody is collapsing the pocket in his face.
your gripe is that Barnes in not good enough. fair enough. My point is a Super OLB will only slightly improve the pressure. because the Problem is you need three fat guys to clog up the middle, take on the double teams, and not allow the QB to step into his throws. Proof of this, Castillo took on the Double, every play last season, Garay was only doubled to clear a path to run up the middle.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
I know how defenses work, thanks.
The fact is, the DL was eating plenty of blockers this year, and the OLBs couldn’t take advantage of 1-on-1 matchups.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I think you are wrong
I think the DLine did a good job eating up multiple blockers or getting solid push into the backfield if they were 1-on-1 with an offensive lineman. All too often our OLB couldn’t regularly beat a 1-on-1 matchup. I’d argue the majority of Barnes’ sacks were coverage sacks as there were very few times when he beat a tackle outright…
Double-teaming
seemed to occur more in run blocking than pass blocking. Jamal was never a pass rushing threat and Castillo’s pass rushing prowess has been overblown especially since he’s hurt half the time. Our interior guys now Garay, Thomas, Martin even Owegbo bring way more interior pass pressure than we used to have. In his roiding prime, Lights Out would beat both the tackle and the TE and RB brought in to chip him. We don’t have anyone like that anymore.
Thoughts? "I have none. If there are any other developments, we will let you know." Charger GM - AJ Smith.
by bringbackbuddytrees on Dec 24, 2011 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
This isn't about pass rushing...
Jamal’s job was to take the double, hold his ground during the run. in the pass his job was to collapse the pocket and not let the QB step into his throw.
The Problem is , in a 34 the pass rushers come from the LB, not the interior guys. those guys jobs are solely to eat up blockers and create 3 on 4, or even 3 on 5 situations, so the OLB can hurry the QB into making a throw, before he’s ready to make it.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Look at the game tape again. I saw a couple of times that Garay was taking on 3 players. In the Ravens game, he was taking on multiple players routinely. Liegett was not. I hope Liegett starts playing better. He needs to occupy 2 blockers.
Give Liuget time
It’s hard to transition from a college 43 to a pro 34. Completely different responsibilities.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Using yards given up by a defense is the worst way to judge a defense
- in yardage given up doesn’t mean a whole heck of a lot
Indeed they were not number one.
But they were top ten, albeit very inconsistent.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 24, 2011 8:37 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Another disappointing season
It is so frustrating to think that I have to wait another year to see if the bolts turn it around. I approach each season with a sense of hope and excitement. However, as Conference play rolls along, I am consistently left with that ugly sinking feeling. I often think that a witchdoctor from TJ has cursed this team. Invariably, the Chargers find creative ways to shoot themselves in the foot. The Bolts are chalk full of talent. Unfortunately, this organization’s inept leadership has fumbled and mumbled the strengths of its players. Perhaps a better home for the San Diego Chargers would be Farmer’s Field. I love LA!
Show AJ & Norv the door
I am numb. One more epic blow out to show yet once again that the leadership behind the team is worthless. Another season down the drain, another scar on my my broken heart. Thanks for a wonderful christmas.
Not sure what AJ has to do with preparing the players to play on Sundays...
except for his hiring of the head coach. Which he should certainly be held accountable for but he has shown the ability to plug in players that benefit the team as a whole when there is a weakness in the roster that pops up (Barnes, Garay, Gaither, Harris) that I think earns him at least one or two years to see how his last 2 drafts pan out.
i think that's part of the problem... "plugging in players"..
there are players on this roster, that arguable shouldn’t be here. and the fact that AJ has to find talent off the street, that “other teams” have developed, is not a plus IMO.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
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- Former high-school star Brian Banks does serious time on trumped-up charge, now hopes for an NFL shot
- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
- Alex Smith gets blown up by Jon Beason over Cam Newton comments
