Open Thread: San Diego Chargers at Detroit Lions, 2nd Half
by Richard Wade on Dec 24, 2011 2:34 PM PST
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PrintThe Chargers are just getting taken apart in this game. The defense can't stop Detroit at all. Manusky seems to be calling zone cover schemes on every play and the Lions continue to find the holes. The holes continue to appear to be wherever Steve Gregory should have been.
The offense doesn't look any better than the defense as they've been held under 100 yards so far in this game. Philip Rivers & co. have managed not to turn the ball over, but that's all they've managed. Honestly, this is just embarrassing to watch.
In a game they absolutely, positively had to win to have any chance of making the playoffs, the San Diego Chargers have not shown up at all in any phase of the game. It's almost hard to believe this is the same team that bullied the Baltimore Ravens last week.
Discuss the second half of this abortion of a game with us here and please do try to keep it clean or you'll be looking for a new place to discuss games next week.
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Things are playing out exactly like last season
Great.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
Le sigh.
Bolts from the Blue // "At least when Wade is spewing vitriol he does so with an intellectual flair." - insanebolt21
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Dec 24, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Silver lining
A month ago nobody thought we would be in contention.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Dec 24, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Fits the team's motif -- give you some hope and then break your heart.
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
by SDNativeinTX on Dec 24, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
It's pretty embarrassing.
305 yards in the first half. Wow.
that's what you predicted earlier
when you said hopefully it doesn’t turn out to be a game like the one against the Bengals last year…guess it’s worse
My bad
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Dec 24, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah it has played out like a worse version of that game
If we lose the result will be the same.
by SDBear on Dec 24, 2011 3:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So...what're the fixes to this team?
New defensive coordinator? As far as I’m concerned, this defense has been far worse than the offense, regardless of the lack of points being put up.
I like how Hester has to tell Goodman not to run that out.
From 9 yards deep.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Watch the kickoffs
Every time Goodman downs it, it’s because Hester tells him not to run it out.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Dec 24, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
I know. It's amazing he can't figure it out himself.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
it makes me wonder
why he keeps doing it anyways
whats to discus next week?
Its almost as if the team took a collective vote to throw the game to ensure Norv and Mansucky get canned. Very clever, play above your level for 3 weeks and generate all that buzz and hope, then pull the plug when it matters most.
This is classic Norv Turner
I mean he had to sign off on the gameplan when Manusky came to him and said “lets just play zone against one of the best receivers in football”, right?
What color horse Norv will ride out on
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Dec 24, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Pagano can be the new DC.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Of course it was Suh that had to say something
What a tool.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
btw
I got warned twice and I’m just a guy who likes details, I’m asking out of curiousity. I’m not here to bother anyone
Butler sack
One of the bright spots this season for sure.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
The scheme has not been friendly to either of our starting CBs this year.
They’re both playing out of their comfort zones, I think.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
fire sapnos might be the best thing to come out of this season
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Dec 24, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Love "Fire Sapnos."
Bolts from the Blue // "At least when Wade is spewing vitriol he does so with an intellectual flair." - insanebolt21
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Dec 24, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
There's Jackson.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Gates is F***ing amazing.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Brown is great at those funny catches.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
FINALLY
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
Floyd TD
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Can the D do anything to stop Stafford?
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
He can tackle
Just can’t run.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
wins what?
the game today? yes.
the next game? yes.
a playoff game? yes.
two playoff games? maybe not.
the superbowl? no.
shutout averted
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
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by Superduperboltman on Dec 24, 2011 2:53 PM PST reply actions
Greg
need to mix it up and bring some heat to create turnovers
YES!
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
Onside kick recovered by Weddle.
Nice.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
He could play TE, I bet.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
That too, but I like Hester.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
lol
can you imagine if this D can generate some heat what else he can do?
He played some offense in college.
Bolts from the Blue // "At least when Wade is spewing vitriol he does so with an intellectual flair." - insanebolt21
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Dec 24, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Bisaccia, I do like.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
He really has turned it up...
unfortunately the rest of the defense (with the exception of Butler) has regressed
I'll be honest
I knew he was going to improve this season and make more plays, but I never could have predicted that he would be leading the league in INT’s at any point
it took 15 games
for Norv to bust out the trick plays
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
Hell of a job by the offense there.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
The whole thing.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Floyd is more useful to this offense than Jackson
He’s much more useful to the offense, opens up plays better, better hands…my opinion
as long as floyd doesn't head to the sideline after the catch
im happy with his production
except there is still a defender in the frame when one of our receivers catches the ball
one some our our zone D I haven’t seen a single defender on the screen when a WR on detroit catches it
Exactly.
Any zone can be exploited. You have to prevent YAC and dictate what the offense does with the ball.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Unless you play against guys like Gabbart, or Flacco that can't catch the clue.
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
by SDNativeinTX on Dec 24, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
So you have to be able to tackle?
no wonder it doesn’t work for us.
Try that again
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Tolbert...that sucked
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
Not really his fault.
Nowhere to run.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Rivers ought to tell Norville that the 1st round pick should be in to make a flippin play sometime
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
Seriously, every team has Tolbert at the goal line figured out.
At least with Mathews he can best you to the corner. Or fly.
slim
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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by Superduperboltman on Dec 24, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
They certaily wouldn't see it coming...
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
its december dude with Rivers on the team
very possible. lol wishful thinking of course
Damn it.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Yep and it has been driving me crazy
Plus it is one reason why he has thrown so many picks this year, as those balls tend to float.
by SDBear on Dec 24, 2011 3:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yup
some of those are because he is under pressure from the opposing defense, but sometimes he just thinks he doesn’t have to plant his feet when he has time and space to do so
I agree about the Pressure being the main reason
As you pointed out, sometimes he does it even when he has time which really bothers me because it is so lazy of him and a bad habit for a QB to have.
by SDBear on Dec 24, 2011 3:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
we at least have a game now
let’s go D…or maybe another sidekick?
tackle come on
grab the man and go outside what r u tackling his feet for
Tackle, damn it.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I was going to post at the top of the thread that I sure ready to see
A Christmas Miracle and I still am.
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
AT this point, just stopping them would get CLOSE to that category
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
by SDNativeinTX on Dec 24, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Middle of the field, again.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Well, looks like we got our one stop this game to open the 3rd
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
Manusky
aggressive play style in practices b4 the season didnt carry on into the season
What the hell are three defenders doing in a group, ten yards off the nearest receiver?
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
That wasn't even zone
It’s like they were all playing in the same zone, leaving half of the field open.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Moving to the ball when its thrown, instead of covering.
You know, playing “zone”.
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
by SDNativeinTX on Dec 24, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
That's not how it's supposed to work...
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
other teams
blitz corners safeties…lb’s chargers… same plan over and over again
I can deal with Megatron picking apart our defense,
But why is every single other receiver so wide open???
Is that Butler or Diggs?
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I like Diggs
Hope he’s OK.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Totally faking that
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
Did you see the replay?
He was talking to a teammater, then he dropped.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Dec 24, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Were they booing an injury?
Classy, Detroit.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Seems like an obvious fake to me
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Dec 24, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Not for that long.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
man this defense is just awful
our DBs are horrible. we can’t cover man to man or zone.
we have no pass rushers. so theres no pressure.
man….. fire sapnos
Spikes can't cover
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Joke
You have to be kidding me this is the real San Diego Chargers unreal. After the Bills gave such a good effort our guys rolled over like a bunch of chumps. What did they think Detriot was going to come out and do today. Thanks for the glimmer of hope San Diego you suck……………………………………..Fire AJ Fire Norv Fire Manusky they all suck………………………
My vote: keep AJ, fire Norval and Manusky
Although if you fire Norv, Manusky is as good as gone as I can’t see the new coach retaining Manusky.
by SDBear on Dec 24, 2011 3:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Game.
goodbye everyone.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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by Superduperboltman on Dec 24, 2011 3:17 PM PST reply actions
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"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Dec 24, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, maybe I was wrong about Diggs
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
Fight
No fight left in any of these guys……………………..This is the best the coaches could plan for that is enough to know it is time to move on Norv cant get it done. If I were the Spanos Family I would apologize to Marty and see if he will come back..
VJ...
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
Dropped.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Jackson
Lets franchise Jackson again he is awful for christ sake catch the ball.
Really? He's awful?
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
That, I can accept.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Gates has the record.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Congrats Antonio Gates
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
Game Plan
It is very clear to me the problem with this team is coaching. Play callin is horrible on both sides of the ball. The D Line is horrible I dont care what anyone says. How do go fro lights out last week to looking totally un prepared this week? That is coaching plain and simple……………………….Tine for a change………………..
The young guys on the D-Line are coming along very well
Martin and Thomas have both made good strides this season and Garay has been disruptive when healthy. Liuget still needs some work but he’s definitely the going to fit well into the rotation.
The D-Line needs two things: Castillo to come back and another solid pass rusher at OLB.
Floyd with another catch.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Surprisingly few flags today
Also, no sacks
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
I can come to no other conclusion that there being a conpiracy against San Diego sports teams.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
bring on the padres
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
by Mad_Villain on Dec 24, 2011 3:36 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Blech
Bring on the housecleaning, the new front office and coaching staff, and then the draft.
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
by SDNativeinTX on Dec 24, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
So I guess they are calling PI now?
come on Hochuli…there were far worse plays that involved much more interference in this game that weren’t called than that one
conspiracy against san diego sports teams.
CASDST
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
We Lions fans have been calling conspiracy all season.
You guys are getting off easy.
No slogans. Just win!!!
Hey, I actually like the Chargers.
They’re my favorite team in the AFC West, after my Lions.
No slogans. Just win!!!
That's fine
just hard to agree that there is a conspiracy against your team when you secure a playoff berth
We've had lots of very questionable calls go against us too.
I think there were far fewer questionable calls in this game in in most I’ve seen.
No slogans. Just win!!!
Anybody other than Satan's team
So I guess the donkeys are the only ones left that can do that.
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
by SDNativeinTX on Dec 24, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I'm grudgingly in the same boat
by SDBear on Dec 24, 2011 3:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Norv is stubborn and still hasn't figured out Mathews is a better option
Good thing we traded up to get Mathews! We really needed a good RB that is ignored by his HC.
by SDBear on Dec 24, 2011 3:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's like he knows he's a good RB when the game is in the bag and he plays him
but he forgets he’s the better RB when the offense is struggling and would rather have Tolbert dropping passes
Never question Norval, he is an offensive genius
by SDBear on Dec 24, 2011 3:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is true
an offensive genius who will be an offensive coordinator for a very good offense next year…just not the Chargers.
True, Norv as OC>>>>>>>>>Norv as HC
by SDBear on Dec 24, 2011 4:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He'll be a good OC from someone.
by classicmfk on Dec 24, 2011 4:09 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
M80 still has his head in the game, pay him and let VJ join DeSean in the diva pile
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
Nice couple of extra yards by Tolbert.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
How many drops is that for Tolbert?
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
Hard to do when you're down multiple scores.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
That's largely unrelated to the defense giving up so many points so fast.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
this is a serious question.
does it makes any difence to fire norv today or after next week?
It would be nice to win next week
And that’s hard to do with a new coach.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Probably just a confidence level difference in the locker room
knowing they couldn’t play well enough to save their head coach
no difference unless they were considering one of their own coaches to take over and be an interim head coach
but one game isn’t a good measure of that…so no
I would only be in favor of it if one of the assisstants took over.
Let Bisaccia or even Wilks have it for a week, see how they do. Move Pagano up to DC.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
As stated before
once a guy becomes the interim head coach, he typically either gets the promotion to full time head coach or gets moved out. Hard for a guy to be a head coach then take a demotion back to his original position.
Not sure one game is a good enough period of time to see if Wilks or Bisaccia have what it takes, and the Chargers don’t want to lose them.
That's a good point.
I’m just not impressed with many outside options, or the current regime.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
I would keep him just to see how the team plays
With no playoff aspirations. If they play with no heart it just makes the decision to fire him that much more easier and justifiable.
Believe it or not, I think Norv still has some support among Charger fans.
by SDBear on Dec 24, 2011 3:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I would love
not to have to see his face on my TV….ever again
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
Chargers making the Rob Schneider ads not the worst thing on TV today
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
That sucks
At least Clary crushed Houston.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
It's hard to make a play with two defenders in front of you and an underthrown ball.
No slogans. Just win!!!
This wasn't specifically related to that catch
but he could have at least turned into a cornerback and disrupted the int. That’s still making a play. But my statement is more a year-long analysis of Jackson’s play.
Hes been playing hurt a lot this year.
Still a solid #1 receiver and it’s not like we have another option. Pay the man.
by classicmfk on Dec 24, 2011 4:04 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
uncatchable based off where Jackson ran...
I’ve seen Jackson undercut the CB there to jump up between the CB and Safety several times to come down with the ball…he just looked back for the ball too late to adjust his route
Underthrown
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Jackson and Floyd both come down with those the majority of the time when they try
regardless of if they are underthrown or not…would I blame another receiver for that? No. Would I blame Jackson? yes. Elite receivers come down with those passes, and he wants to be paid as an elite receiver.
My vote is to blow this b---h up and start with a whole new front office and coaching staff
And make it clear to the players that EVERY SINGLE roster spot is up for grabs.
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
by SDNativeinTX on Dec 24, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
I agree.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
We need a coach with a personality.
Norv is not, can never be a great head coach. He has to go.
I just dont get how we can play so poorly coming off our last game.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
This has been the Chargers under Norv
They have been so inconsistent under Norv.
by SDBear on Dec 24, 2011 3:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, that just sucks.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
It's poetic. Or something.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
There needs to be changes this off-season is the bottom-line.
This is still a playoff-possible team, but there needs to be changes for it to become a playoff-guaranteed team and then hopefully a Superbowl-bound team
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT!
Time to get the prime rib out of the oven…
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
We need toughness.
The defense is made of glass. Our linebackers are like the first guy you had to fight in Mike Tyson’s Punch Out
This isn't exactly true
I think our D-line and linebackers are both pretty good against the run, it’s just the lack of pass pressure, which could be due to the lockout effecting Manusky’s play-calling efficiency. We’ll see.
At times, Manusky's looked okay...
I’m hesitant on calling Manusky to be booted, I would like some coaching continuity from this year IF Norv is indeed displaced, just for player support. But if he is removed, I’ll just wait to see who the replacement is to judge if it’s the right decision or not.
I highly doubt a new coach retains Manusky
by SDBear on Dec 24, 2011 4:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I like most of the assisstants. Just not the HC or DC.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
someone hasn't been watching Butler this season
that statement is simply not true. The pass rush has lacked, and at times every level of the defense has been a weakness, but the majority of the time (especially today) there has just been questionable defensive playcalling
The LBs have played above my expectations all year
Butler in particular.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
We need a complete OLB opposite Shaun Phillips
English had flashes of it before he got injured, but I think that’ll have a bigger impact than most give it credit for.
Agreed.
But for the talent level, they’ve played well.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Yeah Butler has had a good first season
The guy is basically a rookie and had a very solid/good season.
by SDBear on Dec 24, 2011 4:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Truthfully though, his weaknesses are definitely beginning to show
I’ve been supportive of his run-stopping and moral play, but I think Jonas Mouton gives him a run for his job.
thanks chargers
now I don’t have to give a poop about you and your horrible coach
for another week
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
Ugh. I'll watch hockey.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
a win is a win....
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
post game thread is up
closing these comments and trying to forget this game in 3….2…..
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