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Defensive Analysis and Review: Chargers vs Broncos

This only happened once because the Charger's pass rush forgot what a "sack" was during the bye week.

If you had told me that the Broncos would only put up 13 points in regulation, I would have sworn the Chargers had won that game scoring 23 points. Like in any game, there were many fails on defense, but how much can you complain when they allowed just one Touchdown and 2 field goals? There were a lot of good things to come out of this performance but lots of bad as well. We'll look into this one Steve Adler style with a Good, Bad and Ugly breakdown.

First, here's the grading for the first and second half. For an easy understanding, know that .50 is average/decent and .25 and lower is bad, with good performances being .75 and anything above 1 is crazy good. However, sometimes it can be skewed if you don't look at the entire spreadsheet, as Cam Thomas only had 1 gradeable play where he rushed the Passer in the first half and he scored well.

First Half 51 56 58 71 74 76 90 92 94 95 98 99
Run Average .58 .63 na .36 .25 .50 .50 .36 .30 .17 .50 .36
Pass Average 0.0 na na na na 1.0 0.0 na 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

Second Half 51 56 58 71 74 76 90 92 94 95 98 99
Run Average .33 1.17 .39 .50 .33 .44 .43 .81 .13 .06 .40 1.17
Pass Average .50 na 0.0 .42 .33 .63 0.0 .30 .75 .39 .33 .13

Full analysis after the jump

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I Fired Orz, so there's no video this week. Unless you want to see the one of him and my secretary...

The Broncos had to be attacked very specifically. 7 and 8 man fronts because of Tebow's less-than-stellar throwing abilities, and gap/lane control on all running and option plays would be crucial, as is containment. Something a good 3-4 defense should have no trouble stopping. Note I said "good". For the most part, they did fine. But when they failed, it was spectacular. Tebow was contained on all but 3 crucial plays, and that killed the team's hopes of forcing a punt. I expected run blitzing to happen a lot, and it barely did. Credit the Broncos O-line though, as they were spectacular in pass pro and most run blocking.

The Good

I've been saying it all year and Manusky still hasn't listened to me. Donald Butler needs to play more. He can cover better than Spikes and he's generally better at stopping the run. The dude is a monster. He's a great tackler and he plays smart, hitting gaps and lanes very well. Vaughn Martin flashed some talent in the second half with lots of good plays. Unfortunately, his pass rush needs to get better. More on that later. Even though the Broncos had 208 total team rushing yards, it was a bit skewed by 5 full quarters of football. They averaged just 16 rushing yards per posession. THAT is pretty good in my book. That was pretty much all the good in this game.

The Bad

Paul Oliver in pass defense. That makes two safeties on the team that can't cover (Gregory being the other). Yes, sometimes Oliver looks good in coverage but he's very consistent. I'd rather have a safety that's consistently decent than one who fluctuates from good on second down to bad on every other down. Time to give Stuckey a shot? Or one of the rookie corners? Tackling. That was bad. You shouldn't whiff 16 times a game. Sure tackling is underrated. Especially when a team's plays happen mostly on the line of scrimmage. Discipline is still an issue. I'll quote myself with this comment:

Decker's touchdown catch. It was a simple cover 2 defense. Tebow’s pump faked the holy hoot out of Dante Hughes and Eric Weddle, and Paul Oliver should have moved over top of Decker to cover him. 3 guys failed there. THREE. They were already in FG range, so you OBVIOUSLY need to defend the end zone, not 6 yard pass plays in the flat.

The Ugly

Pass rush. It's as ugly as it is non-existent. To be fair, lots of the playcalls were 3 man rushes with a QB spy/contain, which is smart because of how much other teams have been screwed by Tebow's ability to escape. But can no one get pressure? It sure seems like it. Drum roll please for the ugliest thing about the game.....

Shaun Phillips. He should have taken the day off. He couldn't get any pressure, and was a statue on running plays and option runs. He was faked out so many times I could make a scrapbook out of it.

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(He's on McGahee's back in the third pic) There are more but I think this gets my point across. Here's another point I'd like to get across... It's the Coaching staff's responsibility to teach these guys proper execution and discipline. Either they aren't following thier direciton, or they're kind of dumb, or the coaching staff isn't doing a very good job about it. It could be a combination of the two. Whatever it is, it needs to get fixed or this team will have no hope of reaching a respectable finish this year.

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Few things to say here

First, this is my favorite of the posts on BFTB, alongside the O-line grading.
The biggest problem with the Chargers, at this point, I believe is there lack of an identity to rally around. All the great teams you can point out some concept that they stick by and do well: the Steelers of yore ran the ball and threw bombs when the secondary cheated up, and of course they have Dick LeBeau who CREATED the zone blitz really. Saints have a high-passing offense and an aggressive defense. The Jets emulated the Steelers.

The Chargers identity was centered around LT with Schottenheimer who espoused the run-run-pass-punt belief, but it didn’t work in playoffs. Norv Turner built the team around Rivers and Gates, but with Philip faltering the franchise has sunk this year, ala the Colts. Thus, when Rivers recovers his mojo I think the offense will rebound as well.

On defense though, I really think the scheme should rally behind Eric Weddle in the same fashion that Dick LeBeau’s defense uses Troy Polomalu. As they say, put playmakers in a position to make plays. Line him up alongside the linebackers or the d-line just to create confusion for the offense. I know we don’t have a reliable safety who can cover and it hinders that. I just think our defense should create confusion, that’s the biggest thing when playing football in the 21st century. Firehouse zone blitzes, stunts, traps, move around the pieces to fool the other team. If you’re going to use a 3-4 that is. A 4-3 is more about over-powering, but a 3-4 is a much more maneuverable scheme.

by Falawful on Dec 1, 2011 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

nice thoughts

But it’s more complicated. The Steelers have a really really good LB corps. Harrison and Woodley are beasts as pass rushers and run stoppers, like Merriman and Phillips in 06/07 and Casey hampton is a perfect 3-4 NT, Brett Kiesel is also a very good DE. They have the personell, as well as Dick LeBeau. The Chargers need a good SS, a true 3-4 OLB, and consistency out of the young linemen (Liuget,Thomas, Martin) and they can definitely have a serious defense.

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Dec 1, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

As for personnel

I do like Cam Thomas, Donald Butler, and I think from the limited sights I’ve had, I think Jonas Mouton is physically gifted enough to play at the NFL level. I still think that our personnel is good enough to be competitive at this level, which is why I place blame on Manusky for not coaching up a more disciplined, mentally tough, sufficiently technical team. Missed tackles, not falling on fumbles, losing contain. Yes, some of it is on the personnel, but it’s more due to their mental state in-game which the coaches need to influence. I think the players, on both sides, feel they need to play a high-variance strategy type of game to be competitive, even against lesser opponents when they just need to do fundamentals. Fall on balls instead of picking it up and running. Tackle instead of going for a strip. Throw the checkdown instead of forcing into double coverage. Etc.

by Falawful on Dec 1, 2011 4:05 PM PST reply actions  

That third pic..

Is probably what he is supposed to do, especially against a deception based option offense. Any defensive scheme against the Broncos right now will be anything but conventional.

by borno on Dec 1, 2011 4:57 PM PST reply actions  

the middle was already collapsed.

but the point is that he was faked out 6 times.

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Dec 1, 2011 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I know this isn't the forum for Thursday night football...

Vince Young is pulling the best Philip Rivers he can, putting in ints to grab defeat despite LeSean McCoy’s(Ryan Mathew+’s) best efforts.

by Falawful on Dec 1, 2011 8:10 PM PST reply actions  

the edge

they looked like a bad college team covering any option play and where are the guys with contain. give me a break a little late in the season to be this bad. Butler is a beast would have loved to seen him paired with Brandon Siler but he is gone naturall the only tru run stopper san diego had at linebacker and they let him go the KC what a joke did he not stuff enough3rd and short or goal line plays to merritt being paid. another bad decision in a long line of them. They had plenty of chance also and cam away with no points horrible I cant believe they are this bad so disppointing we were up by 11 in NY at 4-1 and now they have lost 6 in a row time for a change.

by Nicky Mac on Dec 1, 2011 8:56 PM PST reply actions  

Ever see Siler in coverage?

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by Richard Wade on Dec 2, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

He actually isn't bad in coverage.

could be better, but did fine in zone.

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Dec 2, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

He was okay at best.

Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan

by Richard Wade on Dec 2, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

rivers

for 92 million you should have gotten the greatest motivational qb in the game. Which is Drew Brees oh yesh we had him and let him go going to be a long time before the bolts get better. To much finger pointing need some like Jared Allen whohs motor nevers stops.

by Nicky Mac on Dec 1, 2011 9:09 PM PST reply actions  

I think I just had a seizure.

"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"

by aesimpleton on Dec 1, 2011 9:59 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

lolz

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Dec 2, 2011 5:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Jared Allen sports a Mullet

we can’t have that in San Diego.

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Dec 2, 2011 5:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more on Donald Butler

I was trying to figure out if he was hurt, or why the hell he was barely in the game in the 4th quarter and OT. Seemed like it was Diggs and Spikes getting all the snaps.

by BFDC on Dec 2, 2011 6:48 AM PST reply actions  

TMQ on Denver's Offense vs San Diego D

From ESPN Page2 TMQ by Gregg Easterbrook:

Sunday at San Diego, adjusting for sacks and scrambles, Denver coaches called 19 rushing plays for Tebow and 19 passing plays for him. Tebow threw a perfect stop-and-go touchdown to Eric Decker. The stop-and-go and out-and-up are staples of high school football; inexperienced defensive backs who are assuming a run play reliably fall for these. Denver set the play up with the prep formula of run-run-run then throw deep.

The zone-read option Denver used for much of the game against the Chargers was straight out of “Friday Night Lights,” or at least, what’s been trendy under Friday night lights in recent seasons. Repeatedly, Tebow held the ball in front of the tailback and read the unblocked defensive lineman: That’s the “read” part of a zone-read rush. If the lineman moved toward the tailback, Tebow kept the ball, often executing the old-fashioned “midline option” on which the tailback leads into the hole and the quarterback follows. On Denver’s final drive in overtime, Broncos High School ran the zone-read option run on three consecutive snaps, resulting in 40 yards gained and field position for the winning field goal.

Tebow even used the high school tactic of running out. In a prep offense, after the quarterback hands off, he sprints in the opposite direction, hoping a defender will follow him. This tactic hasn’t been observed in the pros since the 1950s. Having the quarterback run out after handing off is seen as beneath the dignity of NFL quarterbacks, who always simply stand and watch after giving the ball to a runner. This has a practical value — by NFL rules if a quarterback is not “attempting to participate in the action of the down,” he cannot be hit.

At San Diego, Tebow enthusiastically ran out the other way each time he handed off, just as a high school quarterback would. The Bolts were so rattled that by the second half, a man was going with Tebow when he ran out empty-handed. Late in the third quarter, Denver faced third-and-5. Tebow was flushed from the pocket and rolled left. San Diego linebacker Travis LaBoy slammed to a stop at the line of scrimmage and didn’t pursue Tebow, so worried was he about losing contain. Tebow threw for a first down, and Broncos High School recorded a field goal on the possession. The cheerleaders should have done push-ups!

by Orz on Dec 2, 2011 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

OMFT(ebow)

I don’t know if that makes me feel better or worse. No wait, yes I do, worse. Surely they did similar things the week before? I can’t believe they were THAT surprised.

Also, Orz these posts are my favorites on BFTB. Its really great to see some objective analysis, rather than knee-jerk fan observations about who is playing well and not. Keep it up!!

by wessw on Dec 2, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

what?

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Dec 2, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

lost me at 19 rushes and 19 passes

that is 38 total plays… According to sup’s play sheet, the broncos ran close to 70 plays… A typical NFL offense has around 60 plays a game. A Tebow led offense will surely have less as they shorten the game by running, but we did have a almost full extra quarter in OT. 19+19 should have thrown up some red flags somewhere.

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by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 2, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

There were also a couple direct handoffs to RB's

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Dec 2, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

so about that video...

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Dec 2, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

you didn't read the sentence after the jump....

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Dec 2, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

although to be fair, a zone read play call isn't a called play for the QB is it?

TMQ is saying tebow had 19 called passes and carried 19 times…. or something…

by Orz on Dec 2, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Ball...

Foot Ball.

Nah, it’s Lance Ball.

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Dec 2, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Shaun Phillips

I don’t think he got faked out all those times. What I’ve read about defending the zone read is that one guy crashes the runner regardless and one guy crashes the QB regardless. That way you don’t get faked out, you just do your job and trust your teammates. Seems like Weddle had Tebow’s number on the outside many times and Tebow had a low yards per attempt rushing. I thought your defensive problems came from a passive pass rush and the interior line not containing McGahee.

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Mozgov: "I must break you..."

by margabelle on Dec 2, 2011 3:23 PM PST reply actions  

Hey SDB

Did you mention somewhere that you’d seen the All-22 for this game?

"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"

by aesimpleton on Dec 2, 2011 4:53 PM PST reply actions  

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