What if the San Diego Chargers Switch to a 4-3 Defense?
With major changes on the way for the San Diego Chargers, including a new Head Coach and possibly an all-new coaching staff, we as fans need to consider all of the possibilities of what could happen to this team. When looking at the different coaching candidates (Bill Cowher, Mike Zimmer, Jeff Fisher, Chuck Pagano, etc.), we need to consider that some of these guys prefer the 4-3 defense over the 3-4 defense that San Diego currently runs.
I've written, years ago, about how a switch from one defensive scheme to another takes time. Years, even. You need to sign free agents and draft guys to fit the new system before it will function properly. The Denver Broncos are a prime example of how to speed up that curve, with good CBs and a strong pass rush, but it still took them a half-season before their defense got going.
So if the Chargers do what the Broncos did, taking the best coach available and switching to the 4-3 as a result, how would their 2012 roster look? Let's take a peek, after the jump.
Defensive Tackle
The current Chargers starter at DT is Antonio Garay, who is playing the last year of his contract and is probably better suited for the 3-4 than the 4-3. Since the DE spot in the 3-4 is usually played by guys that would be good as 4-3 DTs, the Chargers have an abundance of guys that can play this position in a 4-3 system.
Starters: Luis Castillo, Corey Liuget
Backups: Vaughn Martin, Cam Thomas, Tommie Harris
Defensive End
Here's where things get tricky. The Broncos drafted Von Miller, who was a pure pass rusher, and turned him into a 4-3 OLB on most downs and a 4-3 DE on passing downs. It's an interesting philosophy, and it's obviously working well. The Chargers have someone that could play a similar role in Shaun Phillips, but that leaves them severely lacking at DE. Better to just leave him there, a position that he, Larry English and Antwan Barnes played in college.
English and Barnes are a tad undersized for 4-3 DE in the NFL (although Robert Mathis is the same size), but Travis LaBoy has actually played some 4-3 DE in the NFL with the Titans (and Jeff Fisher) and had his career best sack numbers there.
Starters: Shaun Phillips, Antwan Barnes
Backups: Travis LaBoy, Larry English
Outside Linebacker
Linebackers are the hardest position to adapt quickly when switching from one defensive scheme to another. 4-3 linebackers have more responsibilities, have to be faster to cover more ground and typically play a lot more man coverage than they would in a 3-4. The days of the big, strong, punishing LB went out the window with fast RBs with good hands, ala Marshall Faulk.
The Chargers might have enough to be okay for a year at OLB, but Takeo Spikes became a 3-4 ILB for a reason. In that same mindset, Jonas Mouton was thought of as a poor 4-3 OLB because of a lack of speed.
Starters: Donald Butler, Takeo Spikes
Backups: Jonas Mouton, Na'il Diggs, Andrew Gachkar
Middle Linebacker
The most important position in the 4-3 is also the most difficult to fill. The lack of great MLBs is a big reason why teams switch to the 3-4, filling their roster with guys that are too slow to play 4-3 MLB or too small to play 4-3 DE. Donald Butler is the closest thing the Chargers have to a MLB on this roster, but he's probably ill-suited for it. The Broncos' switch to the 4-3 was made easier by the fact that they still had their old 4-3 MLB, D.J. Williams, on the roster from the pre-Josh McDaniels era.
Starter: Someone from outside the organization. Either a FA or a high draft pick.
Backup: Same as previous. I wouldn't mind London Fletcher being signed as competition for a rookie.
Cornerback
In the last few weeks, it's been made painfully obvious that Quentin Jammer is still a very good player that has lost a half-step and can no longer stay with the speedy guys. He needs to be moved, either to Nickel CB (where he can be physical against slot WRs, defend the run and blitz the passer) or to Strong Safety, depending on who the Chargers can get otherwise or what the new coach's take on Darrell Stuckey is.
Since I need to make a decision, I'll move Jammer to Nickel CB. I also think that Cason, who has one more cheap year on his contract, deserves another shot at being the starter. This is his second year there and he started training camp with a broken hand that he then played through, and he seems to be bouncing back well from his benching.
Starters: Antoine Cason, Marcus Gilchrist
Backups: Quentin Jammer, Dante Hughes, Shareece Wright
Free Safety
Not much changes for a Free Safety in the switch in schemes, except that he might actually play more over-the-top coverage and stay out of the box completely. Because I think that Weddle is stronger against the run than Stuckey, I'll move Weddle to SS and Stuckey can get a shot at being the starter at FS.
Starter: Darrell Stuckey
Backup: Someone new...or Paul Oliver.
Strong Safety
See the writeup on Free Safeties.
Starter: Eric Weddle
Backup: Someone new....or Steve Gregory or Nick Polk.
So there you have it, 4-3 defense enthusiasts. It could happen with a new Head Coach, but if it does the team will need to immediately find a good pass-rusher, middle linebacker and possibly a new cornerback. Tough task for one offseason.
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If the new coach wants to go to a 4-3
He should really consider hiring JDR to be his DC.
I wonder if Jeff Fisher were to be our new coach if he would call his old DC JDR?
by SDBear on Nov 29, 2011 12:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions
JDR has never worked with Fisher
JDR has been a DC for only John Fox in Carolina (for one season).
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
For some reason I thought he was in Tennessee
With Fisher but you are right he was at Carolina. I don’t know why I thought he was with Fisher.
by SDBear on Nov 29, 2011 1:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
generic white guys are generic
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Racist
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 29, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Well in his defense
They do all look the same
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Oh boy...
can’t wait to see the comments here…
(Note: I made this statement before reading the article, now I will go read it)
funny that you bring up DJ WIlliams
when Joe Mays is the Bronco’s starting MLB.
Williams has played all 3 LB poistions in a 4-3
he’s currently WLB.
But he played MLB in the 4-3 pre-McDaniels, yes?
so they had at lest 1.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
May I assist John?
DT’s: Harris and Garay, backup/rotation: Liuget/Thomas
DE’s: Strong side: Castillo, backup/rotation: Martin
DE’s Weak side: Phillips, backup/rotaion: Barnes/LaBoy/English (only two can stay)
SOLB: Diggs/Mouton/draft pick
WOLB: Butler/Mouton/draft pick
MLB: Spikes/Mouton/draft pick
To be a 4-3 there would need to be 2 middle linebackers drafted, one that excels in coverage, and one that is at least decent in coverage. Diggs is the best coverage LB and won’t last more than 2 years. Butler can cover, but needs improvement. Mouton is undetermined. All three can play the run.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?
by Superduperboltman on Nov 29, 2011 12:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
300lb DEs??
Tommie Harris over Liuget?
Spikes at MLB?
You’re nuts.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
they're athletic enough
and 2 undersized DE’s would be like having a 2-5 defense. Or the current Nickel Package with an ILB instead of Hughes.
Need 3 big guys at the front and athletic ones at the edge. Ever seen Martin run? He was step for step with Michael Bush on his big screen that game. And I’d rather have Liuget at end than tackle because of the way he attacks O-linemen. He struggles against NFL Guards. It makes sense to me. Maybe if you watched them as closely as I do…
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?
by Superduperboltman on Nov 29, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Agree
Thomas, Harris and Liuget can fill the DT spots. Castillo can move to DE, and we can draft a pass rush DE in Rd 1. Washington has not had a problem finding 2 Pro Bowl caliber DE in the last 3 years in Rd 1 (Orakpo and Kerrigan). Laboy and Phillips can man OLB for a year. Same with Spikes at MLB. It might take 2 seasons to get all the right pieces, but it will take 2 years to get the pieces we need to properly fill our current 3-4. Right now we have no pass rush and we cannot stop the run. Therefore there is no tangible reason to be holding on to this scheme. Plus the AFC West is now a run heavy division. It’s not a crazy idea to switch. AJ has been drafting 4-3 players the last 3 years anyway.
*smart
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?
by Superduperboltman on Nov 30, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, and Shame on you for breaking the 4-3 rule
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?
by Superduperboltman on Nov 29, 2011 12:52 PM PST reply actions
I didn't say we should switch
I said it’s a possibility. There’s a difference.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
your speculations
are taken as opinions which you try to support with facts and therefore become truth so it builds up into something I can’t even measure and so respond.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?
by Superduperboltman on Nov 29, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I will go on record saying that I am not in favor of a switch to any system that keeps LaBoy on this roster
by jkvandal on Nov 29, 2011 1:05 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Hahaha
rec’d
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
2 Minutes of Hate: Travis LaBoy edition
Travis LaBoy is absolutely terrible, and no matter how many times I think that he invents new ways to disappoint me. He must be the king of limbo, because no matter how low the bar is set he always finds a way to exceed those expectations…by sucking. Last game, he had an uncalled facemask against Tebow while they were driving to win the game. He also blatantly missed a sack against Tebow because he dreamt Tebow threw the option lateral.
It’s the Clay Matthews curse. We can no longer receive a white pass rushing option with long hair ever since we skipped on Matthews. Bront Bird. Sorry. In fact, between Walters(Welker 2.0), Rivers bad year, LaBoy, and Norv, I’m a proponent of an all-black team next year. (Sorry Jacob Hester, Eric Weddle…and most of the O-line)
Did I do it right? Oh yeah, don’t be offended. You’d be an idiot. LaBoy is so bad though, that no one will be offended by this, there doesn’t even need to be a disclaimer.
by Falawful on Nov 29, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Laboy sucks
Everytime I see him in the backfield LaBoy wiffs on a tackle.
by Bluelightning on Nov 29, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
My biggest hope
is that this isn’t the main criteria for the next HC hire. This team needs enough overhaul that either defensive scheme could be worked into the future.
I think the 4-3/3-4 argument comes down to one point:
It is harder to find 3-4 OLB’s than it is to find 4-3 MLB’s, mainly due to the fact that more college teams run the 4-3 than they do the 3-4. For this reason you are projecting that a 4-3 DE has the skills that it takes to transition to a 3-4 OLB and play in space when you don’t have a lot of footage on that. And as we all know, that doesn’t always work out.
Also, you need to find two 3-4 OLB’s that are at least decent and only one MLB for a 4-3. That being said, I still like the things that a 3-4 defense brings to the table more than the things that a 4-3 defense brings to the table, but it is certainly harder to acquire the proper personnel for that system.
Maybe you're looking at a hybrid front
It gives you the most flexibilty in terms of drafting and free agency, and allows you to tailor the defense based on what talent is on the roster. If you want to go that way, look for a coach who is familiar with both the 3-4 and 4-3.
I also like the idea of beign able to match-up with opponents similar to how the Patriots used to during their SB runs. It should be noted last night that Gregg Williams opened in a 3-4 look last night against NYG (as opposed to the Saints’ standard 4-3), and it took NYG 2½ quarters to figure it out.
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by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Nov 29, 2011 1:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It should be noted last night that Gregg Williams opened in a 3-4 look last night against NYG (as opposed to the Saints’ standard 4-3), and it took NYG 2½ quarters to figure it out.
Saw that. Works better when you’re playing a team that only sees Rob Ryan’s wacky 3-4.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
YES
There are three reasons why we were so successful when we initially switched to a 3-4
1. We had a DC in Wade Phillips who was a genius in the scheme
2. We had several players on the roster who were built to be elite in the scheme, notably Jamal Williams
3. Finding/Drafting the rest was easy because only 2 or 3 other teams played the 3-4 and they saw the players we viewed as impact players as “tweeners” (Foley, Godfrey, Merriman). These guys were very undervalued by the league back then. Today 10 to 15 teams would probably be categorized as 3-4 teams and the players are much harder to find.
Finding a DC who is willing to take advantage of the players we already have and is willing to run a system that takes advantage of undervalued players because they don’t fit standard schemes would be great. Kind of a moneyball approach to finding market inefficiencies in defensive players.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 29, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A couple other things to consider
In addition to our current DL being pretty well-suited for the 4-3, let’s look at some other things.
2012 UFA DE’s: To name a few of the top of my head …. Mathis, Abraham, Cliff Avril, Mario Williams (although likely to stay in Houston), Matt Roth, Darnell Dockett, Aaron Smith … sure I’ve missed a few.
The 2012 draft class is not particularly strong for 3-4 OLB’s & let’s face it – very few CFB squads run a 3-4 so you’re taking something of a flyer on most of these guys being able to transition. Also, with the popularity of the 3-4 in the NFL, the ones who look really promising are in VERY high demand. The same can be said for 3-4 NT’s re: high demand.
At this rate, we’re possibly in line to get a stud 4-3 DE like Coples, Crick, or Upshaw. English might do far better with his hand down (provided he can get healthy). At the very least, the draft guys are more experienced in the 4-3 by a wide margin.
FA & the draft could also yield help at LBer. Ahmad Brooks is a UFA for 2012. John mentioned a guy that I really like, London Fletcher. From the draft we have guys like Te’o, Burfict, Kuechly, Hightower, & Audie Cole for ILB. Both Zach Brown & Ingram have shown some propensity for being able to cover & they can get after the QB. I see Butler as being able to move over to the SAM position pretty seamlessly.
Not saying we should or shouldn’t change defensive schemes, but IF we blow the coaching staff up at the end of the year, there might never be a better time for switching.
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by Buck Melanoma on Nov 29, 2011 1:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Uncle Wart
I think Crick will be a 3-4 DE and Upshaw will be a 3-4 OLB . I like Zach but unless we switch he doesn’t make sense , he’s a WLB . My suggestion earlier this year was making a trade for Briggs , schematically versatile and can probably be had at a reasonable price . Of course that was before going in the tank and probably being in the top 10 . In any event the linebacking corp needs some help but with all the issues now appearing , who knows ?
All of my suggestions
were based on us moving to a 4-3. You’re quite likely correct about the eventual positions for all 3 of the prospects you mentioned. I listed them as pieces that we could use at DE & the Will spot IF we moved to the 4-3. That’s why I mentioned Brown having shown some coverage ability.
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by Buck Melanoma on Nov 30, 2011 2:17 AM PST up reply actions
I think it's less scheme and more talent...
The Broncos improvement comes from drafting Von Miller and Elvis Dumerville getting healthy the last few games.
Draft a stud and the scheme won’t matter.
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New Coach
Why isn’t anyone talking about Gruden. I know he just signed a TV contract but he and rivers would have amazing chemistry. Not that Bill Cowher wouldn’t be awesome. We just need a coach that would give this team some discipline. For all of the stupid mistakes that are made we must have the dumbest team in the NFL
Because Gruden is terrible
and his TV contract says that he can’t go be a coach.
and everyone IS bringing him up.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously, guys. What is your fascination with Gruden?
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by Richard Wade on Nov 29, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Quick, how many coaches have won a Super Bowl with more than one team?
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by Richard Wade on Nov 29, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
gruden would have if not for the tuck rule…
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 29, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
with Tony Dungy's team
against Rich Gannon’s team.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
To be clear
I think Gruden is a terrible choice. I was taking a guess at the logic behind the pro-Gruden crowd.
by Ken619 on Nov 29, 2011 9:36 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Vontaze Bufict
Am I the only one thinking about the possibility of drafting him? He looks like a real stud and could be the game changer we need on defense. Plus I think he’d fit well as a 4-3 Middle Linebacker.
In a word - No
Having watched Burfict plenty ( he’s a local ) I can tell you right now you will be disappointed in this guy . He has the triangle numbers but his instincts and discipline leave a lot to be desired . He plays much better attacking the QB so I think a move to the Will spot should be considered . Manti Teo is a much better fit , both in ability and character , then Keuchly .
Looks like
the makings of another 4 win team . The problem isn’t what system is being run , it’s the guys on the roster . Moving both ILBs to the outside is just crazy , Spikes can’t cover worth a crap and Butler was moved outside at Wash but was better inside , looks like an out of position ploy . There isn’t a single DE on the roster and Philips would face a RT every snap , something I doubt he would be crazy about over the TE’s and RBs he usually gets in the 3-4 . I think Liuget is the one guy who might flourish since he was better suited as a 3 tech guy to begin with but those CBs might allow 30 TDs with no DE presence , all in all switching systems might be the one thing to keep the team drafting in the top 10 and judging from recent drafts , that won’t help the talent level . Just gird your loins for a long dry spell my fellow Bolt Bros .
Why
Are we worrying about Phillips? This transition will take 2 years to get the right players anyway and I wouldn’t be worrying about a then 32 yr old LB who couldn’t stay healthy at 30. He will not be an integral part of this D when it is finally successful again. Also 3 of the last 5 SB winners were 4-3 teams. Just sayin’
I feel like this is a necesity regardless.
“need to immediately find a good pass-rusher, middle linebacker and possibly a new cornerback. Tough task for one offseason.”
"I promise you, we’re going to build a dictating, dominating, attacking defense. I’ve said it a million times. It’s not a slight on our offense, but we’re not going to win any world championship until we have that." - A.J. Smith
4-3 or 3-4
I don’t think any of us would care as long as it’s a dominating defense
Tough
It’s too tough, let’s bring Norvbert back
.And let’s get Brees and Sproles back too, great Monday Night !
How about forgetting the 3-4 and the 4-3 and just

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?
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