Should the San Diego Chargers Fire Norv Turner Mid-Season?
The question of the day is whether the San Diego Chargers should wait until the end of the season to fire Head Coach Norv Turner. I'd like to try and take emotion out of this decision and see if it would make sense to have him play out the season.
The first and most obvious reason for not firing Norv when the team is 4-7, or even 4-8, is that he's made the playoffs from 4-8 once before. Is it likely to happen again? Of course not but, if there's anyone suited to turn around a floundering team and have them win their last 4-5 games to capture the AFC West Division crown, it would appear that man is Turner.
A second reason for waiting for the end of the season might be just the opposite. If the team is as bad as it has appeared to be this season, the front office may be cheering with each loss and dreaming about their top 10 draft pick. Remember that this is the same front office that let Mike Riley stay after a 1-15 season that then netted them Drew Brees, LaDainian Tomlinson and Tim Dwight. They also then let Riley lose 9 straight games to end his final season as Head Coach, turning that 5-11 record into Quentin Jammer, Toniu Fonoti, Reche Caldwell and Ben Leber.
The only reason for firing Norv mid-season is if there's someone else on staff that you'd like a good look at as Head Coach, like Rich Bisaccia. If the Chargers have already decided that they need a fresh start, firing everyone and bringing in an outside guy that can build his own staff the way that he sees fit, then all they would be doing is handing more responsibility to someone who hasn't done much with what he's had thusfar this season.
Also, there's another reason they might not hand the reigns over to someone like Bisaccia. Interim Head Coaches don't often get demoted back to their former position. If you promote Bisaccia, NFL protocol dictates that in 2012 he'll either be the HC or he'll be gone. With a guy that hasn't yet been with the team a full year, that's a tough pill to swallow.
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hhaaaaaaaa
canadas marriage is like their money, or military, no one takes it seriously
Breaking News: Norv Turner Fired
per BFTB voting.
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?
by Superduperboltman on Nov 28, 2011 1:38 PM PST reply actions
He's highly regarded by NFL people
and he was assistant HC in Tampa.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Which makes him the only real interim candidate on the team.
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
by John Gennaro on Nov 28, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Voted for Right Now
even though I’ve defended Norv from the more ridiculous attacks in the past. I think it’s fair to say that he’s lost the team. 6 games is way too many to drop, even with these injuries. Most of the 6 have been winnable.
This is different from the 1-15 situation. These players need to know that losing this way is unacceptable. Firing him now tells them we expect these players to win games.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 1:46 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Eff yeah.
Not just now, but right now
"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."
...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs
i go ham
Combined?
None of them. Norv, Coryell, and Ross all have 3 wins.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
actually, it's Norv
he won one with Washington, meaning he has 4. Leukadian didn’t say “more playoff wins WITH THE CHARGERS”.
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
by John Gennaro on Nov 28, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Sneaky trick question
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Even so, he said "than all coaches combined"
Still wrong.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, so Norv is comparable to Coryell and Ross in this respect
obviously I’m not as down on the guy as the rest of the Charger world.
I agree with you, actually
But I still think a change needs to be made. Norv has improved this team in some areas, but it just doesn’t seem to be working anymore.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Norv has improved this team in some areas?
Which areas are those?
Rivers
at least for a couple seasons. VJ and the passing offense in general was great for a while. And as Leukadian pointed out, he got us 3 playoff wins more than Marty ever did.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
If Marlon McCree holds on to that INT we don't even have this conversation
so saying that he has more than Marty is a little short sided. Marty took the team from crap to #2 seed in the playoffs.
If Kaeding makes those field goals
maybe Norv gets another playoff win. We can play this speculation game all day.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, if McCree batted the ball down (since it was 4th and forever ...)
But I get the gist and basically agree. However, AJ was gonna get rid of Marty regardless (the two didn’t even speak directly with one another); the problem was his choice as replacement.
And if Rivers, Gates and Tomlinson stay healthy in '07 they probably make the Super Bowl.
Who cares?
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yes a perfect storm of injuries
The Defense played well enough to win that day.
JR sign somewhere else, so we can get a guy who is not so Bi-polar.
Trade Chandler and Felton for another shooter.
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Nov 28, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
no he is not
I hold both aforementioned coaches in higher regards than the latter…#IH8NORVBERT
by Gorditoe1 on Nov 28, 2011 2:28 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I hold them in high regard as well
but neither one of them ever took a 4-8 team to the playoffs, because you know what? only one coach has ever done that.
Not to mention that team beat the 12-4 Indy Colts in the first round of the playoffs — in Indy’s brand new stadium — then losing to the eventual Super Bowl champs the following game.
The Chargers have been more competitive under Norv, for a longer period of time, since Coryell. Even Ross didn’t have the series of successful years that Norv has had. We do realize this may be the first year the Chargers have finished below 2nd in the division under Turner, and only the second they haven’t finished first? And that’s assuming Denver can maintain it’s suspect success.
Just a small fix
We beat Indy in the 2nd round the year you are referring to. We bounced them in the first round the following (8-8) season.
Hey, I’m still with you. I just think he’s lost control.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Have you not been following
This year everything set up perfectly for them, first charles and berry went down then orton got demoted for a qb who cant throw for more than 150 yards consistently, and a guy who was on the brink of retirement came back to play, i would think that if they cant win the division this year, then he has to go, there shud be no excuses. The division was theirs to lose and they blew it. its time for a change
by Daniel Gelberger on Nov 28, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Never has been so little done with so much ...
Had Schottenheimer remained as HC, I believe we would have been even more competitive in the years since Norv took over. Schottenheimer got the ship righted, produced seasons of 12-4, 9-7, 14-2 before handing off an absolutely primed team to Norv, who proceeded to turn in seasons of 11-5, 8-8, 13-3 with arguably greater, more seasoned talent, before last season’s and this season’s debacles
Re: 4-8 → playoffs: why were we 4-8 to begin with? The team under-achieves then rights itself just in time & this is cause for celebration? Luckily (!!!) 8-8 was good enough to win that year.
Schottenheimer did less with the same talent. Thanks for playing.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
How many playoff games did Schottenheimer win? I'll wait while you count.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 29, 2011 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
ask him to divide Norv's playoff wins by Marty's
catastrophy happens when you mathematically do that which must not be done…
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?
by Superduperboltman on Nov 29, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why Marty was fired
Kurt Schottenheimer He’s no defensive coordinator.
by BORTZ on Nov 29, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You're missing the point.
This team had more then enough talent to not lose those 8 games in the first place. Norv leading the Chargers to the playoffs was him simply cleaning up his own mess.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
much like this year
that team was decimated by injuries as well. I’m sure Cake or Death will correct me if my memory fails again, but as I recall Hardwick was just one of the injuries to that team, and he was out for the first half of the year.
Uhm which coach stared 0-4 an ended up in the Superbowl?
hands down, Boss Ross is heads and shoulders above any of them, because he stands as the “ONLY” Chargers HC to coach the franchise to a Superbowl.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
I am
I do feel for Norv, he seems like a good guy but this is a business decision just like Marty was. looking
so
He sucks balls as a HC and the talent is not the same on this team as those that won him those wins,due to injury or FA…bottom line is who cares its not gonna happen this year and it didn’t happen last year either so if you think he’s gonna stay cuz he won some playoff games prior sorry to break your heart…he’s gone
by Gorditoe1 on Nov 28, 2011 2:19 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
my memory of few and far between playoff wins prior to Norv causes me to cut the guy some slack for the very reasons your mention
So what you're saying is
based on past trends, the present mediocrity is acceptable? That’s like saying your last two GFs gave you a STD after cheating on you. Yet, the present one still cheats but hasn’t given you the clap yet, so you should cut her some slack?
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
what I'm saying is that my memory goes longer than a few weeks
a more appropriate metaphor would be that my girlfriend has been great in bed for the last few weeks, and I’m not going to dump her this week just because she’s on the rag
everybodys memory goes back longer than a few weeks man
I can’t believe someone is actually defending our bumbling idiot of a"coach"…Norv? Is this you? you can’t plead your case here buddy….DO IT ON THE FIELD WITH WINS!!!!
This made no sense
You just said my memory needs to be longer, then used a metaphor that reflects the immediate past. Which is it? I am simply saying that due to your experience as a fan and what you have been surrounded by is mediocrity, so you compare the present to the past. I am not around any Charger fans, stationed on the east coast, and therefore have a different perspective. I see how the rest of NFL fandom see us and what they expect out of their own teams. The organization will continue to put out crap if the fans continue to buy it. Plain and simple. If it ain’t broke, they won’t fix it. All you have proven is that this team is historically mismanaged. I have watched them for thirty years and already know that. However, I don’t have to swallow it is all i’m saying. Fans pay for their product, they work for us. Demand better.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Chargers divisional finishes under Norv
1st year: 1st
2nd year: 1st
3rd year: 1st
4th year: 2nd
5th year: 2nd or 3rd predicted
No other Chargers coach has had a similar run of success, and few other NFL coaches have. I’d be thrilled with 5 more years of similar performance.
I’m surprised AJ isn’t getting more hate than Norv, since a strong argument can be made that a lack of starting and backup talent (particularly in the trenches) is the primary reason for the team’s decline.
by Leukadian on Nov 29, 2011 7:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I think the lack of talent on the team, including contract issues and letting people walk FA who are needed, is a serious problem. Norvs record since being here is what? His record with the Chargers as of right now is 45-40. As of last year and this? 13-14. I’m in no way saying he is the worst coach, or even a bad coach. However, he is not the RIGHT coach for this team right now. He has lost the team and thanks to AJ Smith, the media is eviscerating him. Divisional record is nice for getting you in the playoffs, but come on, NFC West the past few years? Does not mean you’re a good team. National media points to the softness of the team, which is on the HC. However, these two are tied together. If one goes, the other should. If Smith had just messed up a couple of drafts, I could be more understanding. But mishandling contract disputes, letting quality players walk without putting up a fight, not addressing obvious issues cost the team as much, if not more, then Norvals lack of spirit and clock managment. In this we are in agreement. I simply am trying to make the point that we as supporting fans deserve more then we have gotten. I don’t give a shit whose at fault, they need to fix it, hehe.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
^This
Norv isn’t coming under scrutiny, because he’s a bad coach, it’s because this team is going in the wrong direction. But let me explain, i see certain people like to play with number and stats, i can play to. here are some good ones.
2, 1, 0, 0. confused?
2 is the number of playoff wins Norv had in his first season, and an appearance in the AFC Championship game.
1, is the number of playoff wins he had in his second season, a brilliant 8-8 finish.
0, even though Norv made the playoff, he went one an done. then got a 4 year contract extension.
0, and this one, it’s for not making the playoffs, and no playoff wins at all.
this isn’t personal, it’s business, just like when Marty was fired. just business. It’s the same with Norv, he isn’t getting the job done. Marty took a 4 -12 team and turned them into a 14-2 team. Norv took a 14-2 team and transformed them a 1 game above five hundred team. time to move on…
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
my 2 cents worth
This doesn’t answer the question, BUT …
Marty Schottenheimer has 5 lifetime playoff wins in the NFL
Fire him now!!!
I am so sick of him, he’s soft he doesn’t know how to discipline, he’s a terrible playcaller, i dont care what any of the experts say, he’s way too predictable and he doesn’t know how to motivate his players.And i can think of about 10 more reasons why he should go now, he sucks and i have been calling for his head for the last 2 years.
I dont want to see him on the sideline next week and if we lose to jaguars and make blaine gabbert look like Aaron Rodgers like we do with every other qb, he doesn’t deserve to coach in the nfl period.
by Daniel Gelberger on Nov 28, 2011 2:06 PM PST reply actions
Only if the coach is too stubborn to let someone who...
… needs development play, or if he’s embarrassed the organization by cheating and /or dropping a tirade of F-bombs on the country on a national holiday.
Otherwise, just play out the contract and save your $$.
Sincerely,
Josh McDaniels
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
if you tank the rest of the year,
who do you have an eye on in the draft? I can’t imagine you’d be wanting to replace Rivers, so with all the other bad teams drafting for the next Aaron Rodgers, you would have your pick of the top player at almost every other position if you lose out.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
except A J would chose another jacob hester type player
and pass over a future hof player. A J sucks
No need to panic
there is still a lot of the season left
we always start slow
but what about the injuries
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
No need to panic
there is still a lot of the season left
we always start slow
but what about the injuries
oh shit…panic
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
Thank you for this...
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
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Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? ◔ヮ◔
Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
i just got really scared
canadas marriage is like their money, or military, no one takes it seriously
Thinking about it
I’d rather he stay, because I don’t want to risk them elevating Bisaccia, having them win a couple games, and then have them feel like they have to keep him as HC.
A pirate I was meant to be!
"You say you're nasty pirates,
scheming, thieving, bad bushwackers?
From what I've seen I tell you
You're not pirates, you're just slackers!"
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 28, 2011 2:28 PM PST reply actions
That's what I said this morning.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2011 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
What?
Have u watched the games these past 6 weeks we have no chance and im putting it all on the head coach, he gets outcoached every single week…..nuff said
by Daniel Gelberger on Nov 28, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
What do you mean "you people"?!?!?
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
What do YOU mean, "you people"?
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?
by Superduperboltman on Nov 28, 2011 4:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You know what he means
All of those fans that travel to LA and have the “enhanced fandom” plastic surgery.
Those fans are so fake.
by Alex Bourque on Nov 28, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Rec'd for being awesome.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2011 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
Only if....
AJ gets brooked with him. The entire culture around Charger Park lacks intensity. You build your team to win your division, and apparently the Lord Of No Rings thinks we’re in the WAC…
by BleedsBlueNgold on Nov 28, 2011 2:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Broomed…even. Thanks iPhone…
by BleedsBlueNgold on Nov 28, 2011 2:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I voted NO, but
I am certainly not a Norv Turner booster – at least not as a head coach. And the job may be adversely affecting his performance as an offensive coach. The real culprit in this year’s fiasco is the GM, Smith. He has failed to give the coach enough talent to get the job done. The offensive line story is shameful, even before the massive injuries. I’m sure that the mystery problem with Rivers is that he just isn’t getting enough time. On the defensive side of the ball, they have been weak up the middle most of the year. So, firing Turner now isn’t going to turn this year around.
no blame for manusky?
for the defensive debacle?
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 28, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
But it all starts with norv and not having his players prepared week in and week out
by Daniel Gelberger on Nov 28, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone think the FO would be amenable...or Norv would accept
a demotion to Offensive Coordinator/QBs Coach given that Norv could help select the new HC?
Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 28, 2011 2:44 PM PST reply actions
That would never happen
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
prove it
Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 28, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Ok
Please accept this demotion from McDonald’s manager back to burger flipper.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
false analogy
Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 28, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Not at all.
What head coach, with any pride at all, would accept a demotion and lower pay for the same employer?
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
I'll bet there is precedent.
Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 28, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
That's my line.
Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 28, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
If he's fired, he'll be an OC/QB Coach for another team doubtless
Why not the Chargers, besides “principle”.
Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 28, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
sure would be nice, but
I’m not sure it has ever happened before and probably would not work for a variety respect/relationship reasons.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 28, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Don't think it works not because of the ppl above him but because of the people below him
Not sure how the players respond when they have 2 head coaches (in their mind) and who to answer to: the guy that was in charge last season or the new guy in charge this season.
I don’t think it’s right, but I think that dynamic described above is the reason that you never see it happen.
Chargers '81
Jack Pardee had been HC of Washington Redskins for 3 seasons (78-80) before accepting Def. Coord position with Chargers (under Coryell) in 81: BAD IDEA!
But he's talking about the same team
The same scenario you mentioned happens often, like with Wade Phillips this year.
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Nov 28, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
... and it'll never happen
Pardee was1st thing that came to mind. In any organization, that type of demotion is a recipe for disaster.
An HC who can't get a job anywhere else
because he has shown he sux ass as one?
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
No.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Were gonna lose to Jacksonville
Then all u norv followers r all gonna be doubting him
P.s Were gonna make blaine gabbert look like Aaron Rodgers
by Daniel Gelberger on Nov 28, 2011 3:09 PM PST reply actions
I thought they demoted Gabbert.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
No
“Del Rio said that rookie Blaine Gabbert will start Monday night’s game against San Diego.” Thanks for playing.
Damn. That's going to make losing tougher.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 29, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
let's see if that holds true
with no more del rio
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes ye s yes yes
yes yes yes no yes yes yes yes eys
canadas marriage is like their money, or military, no one takes it seriously
POSSIBLY
Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 28, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
If firing him today means another HC is hired by AJ then no, I think we should wait.
If we decide to fire norv and let Manusky or Basaccia (highly unlikely) be the interim coach for the rest of the season, then sure.. But I DO NOT want another HC puppet pick by AJ.
Beathard's worst move
Is Gilbride available (HA!)?
sdvip is right
AJ Smith is the issue…get rid of him, then pick a head coach for next season that knows how to guide a team through to the Superbowl…there are several out there… Chuckie, Clowher, to name two… Jeff Fischer, Dungy, Mooch…any of which would be more fun to watch than Norv.
While AJ has had some success in drafting new players, None of his picks were exactly brain surgery. He didn’t exactly discover Rivers, Brees, LT, etc. Under a rock. He is too much of a control freak, which is why he fired Marty- after a 14-2 season? Really?
so you prefer AJ's pick of Teddy as DC?
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
You can't place all the blame on Norv
AJ has to take a 50/50 split on this one. The talent level is down a lot from a few years ago, and Norv has done even less with his players this year, respectively, than in past seasons. The team has taken on his attitude. Rex Ryan was right that he would have a couple rings by now.
I voted no
why stick a new head coach with the current mess, let him start fresh when the season is over. Give him time to hire his own assistants and put in his own systems.
I don't feel like thinking about this rationally.
Fire Norv now! Deal with the consequences later! Fire anyone who disagrees with this sentiment! Boo! Anger!
I honestly don't see what you accomplish by firing Turner before the end of the season.
Appeasing a bunch of idiots? What?
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2011 5:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
We need a thorough house cleaning starting with the GM, the coaches, the training staff – all of ‘em. The Spanos family should be thinking of a game plan for the transition now, and start executing it on January 2. Priority 1: get a fresh medical staff in, have them evaluate the guys that seem to have chronic injuries (English, Floyd, Gates), refer them to the best specialists, and if they need to get stuff fixed, that should be done before the Superbowl. Priority 2: New GM. Priority 3: New Coaches. This should all be done no later than February 15, 2012. Priority 4: Lock the GM and Coaches together in a room with tape of the last two seasons, plus the medical reports, and figure our which players you want back for 2012. That evaluation should be done by March 10. Let’s see if we can trim down the 5 year rebuilding into 2 years.
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
by SDNativeinTX on Nov 28, 2011 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder what the Jags thought process was in firing del Rio
And who THEY have in mind to be their next HC?
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
by SDNativeinTX on Nov 29, 2011 6:42 AM PST up reply actions
I think there is ownership change in the winds
and full overhaul is needed. JDR got screwed by whoever drafted his QBs. Never had a decent one. I feel more sorry for him then our HC honestly.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
Ownership change is right - but hey, I like the sound of
“Los Angeles Jaguars” a lot better than “Los Angeles Chargers”
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
by SDNativeinTX on Nov 29, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe a better question is do we root for the Chargers to lose out?
By doing so we get a higher pick and an almost lock that Norv and AJ get canned. That being said it just does not feel right to hope that the Chargers lose any games let alone all of the remaining ones.
Everyone is talking about how Norv blew it at the end of the game yesterday and not playing for the win. Why he should be fired is that he didn’t trust his QB or his RB to win the game. He put all his trust into a field goal kicker who was unemployed at the beginning of the year to kick a 53 yard FG and sat on the ball when he got to the 35 yard line and didn’t even try to advance the ball
by Fenwayrat on Nov 28, 2011 6:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
norv
no doubt norv must got aj should go also. What a mess they have made of this team it is unreal. the window has closed it is going to be a long draught cant even beat Denver at home. the defense is horrible rivers is horrible we have 2 running backs that cant hold on to the ball when it counts the most. We have wasted the careers of some pretty good players to Tomlinson, Jammer and Gates not to mention some pretty good offensive line man. They but their faith in Rivers gave him 92 million and he is horrible. Drew Brees and Marty would have won two super bowls if they kep them together. Rivers is not a leader they dont have one. 3 points in 45 minutes.
Dude...
Rivers is a good qb, he is playing poorly this year…get off it already, he’s not going anywhere
"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."
...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs
i go ham
by notorioushbi on Nov 28, 2011 8:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Man, there is finally starting to be a consensus that our HC needs to go
after at least 2 years without improvement. Rivers has had a bad half year. Slack on this one.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
This is the play that sums up Norv
I always think of this play when characterizing Norv, week 2 ‘09 vs Baltimore at home. 20 seconds or so left before half time, we’re down inside their 10 yd line. Our O-line is banged up after the opener in Oakland, the play before, Baltimore (I think Ngata) blows up our o-line and drops rivers for a sack. Now it’s 3rd down, Norv shits his pants like always in the red zone or after our o-line has a terrible play and sends out the fg unit on 3rd down with time left inside the 10 yd line! He could’ve easily thrown a jump ball to gates/jackson/floyd or anything, you know, risks you need to take in order to be a championship caliber team or beat championship caliber teams. Nope, he chickens out and kicks a fg. What happens? we lose on the last play when he panicks again with his playcalling and the game on the line. Norv is and will always be a loser, just like Marty. They are the same person, just opposite sides of the ball.
if the Chargers fire Norv today
that is just more time for him to join another team
and give it teh suck
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
HC/GM hybrid
If Andy Reid is fired in Philly AJ must go, then young Spanos could learn how to draft & get impact free agent talent from a HC whose proven and not ego driven on character flaws. Rivers would benefit like every young QB has under Reid. The only worry would be who do we get as a DC to run the defense.
There's also the fact that Reid will make us miss Norv's game management to consider.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 29, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
And because all of their "impact free agent talent" is working out so well?
That “Dream Team” has the same 4-7 record as the Chargers
I voted No
there’s no need to abandon ship. take your time. The Chargers are 4-7, and mathematically still in it. the Seahawks got in at what 7-9, and beat the saints.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
I say no
if only for the reason that one has to ask themselves what good could be accomplished, unless losing out is your goal. Although most realistic people with any sense agree that this particular coaching experiment has run its course, there is no need to jump the gun. It is highly unlikely that any new HC will have better results then what we have in place now, even though it wouldn’t be there fault per se. Turmoil is never good.
However, this forum is a place for people to place their opinon, as well as a good chance for folks to vent about something they mutually care about. Anyone that cares for anything gets a bit emotional and that is the reason for much of what is posted here right now. Once we all are a bit more rational in the days to come I am sure this will make more sense. I’m also sure there will still be people calling others “idiots” despite how unproductive that may be.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
No
There is really no reason to now. Bisaccia is not the answer either, and unless he is the heir apparent, interim coaches do nothing for the team. Let Norv finish the season, and then bring down the ax on Black Monday. Make a decision on AJ quickly, so if he can be replaced quickly the new GM will have ample time to assess the roster and prepare for the draft and offseason.
Word
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
by SDNativeinTX on Nov 29, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Fire A.J. Smith for now.
I think the team can get by with firing the general manager. He has nothing to do with the actual game management and I doubt the players would care. In fact it might perk them up a bit. The new general manager would have extra time to figure out the draft and free agents.
by SUPERCHARGERFAN1966 on Nov 29, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
That is an intriguing option.....
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Give Norv the general manager job for now.
I don’t know if he would actually make a good general manager or if he has ever been one but he needs to pay a penalty for the poor coaching job he has done. You never know; maybe he could be what we need to get great players in the draft and get someone else to coach them.
by SUPERCHARGERFAN1966 on Nov 29, 2011 8:22 PM PST reply actions

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