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5 Bad Stats: Denver Broncos at San Diego Chargers

Quarterback Philip Rivers #17 of the San Diego Chargers walks off the field. (Photo by Donald Miralle/Getty Images)

Sixth Consecutive Loss
Six losses in a row is a lot, especially for a team like the San Diego Chargers that has been one of the better teams in the league over the last 5-6 seasons. Six is the most consecutive losses for the Chargers since 2001, when the team lost nine straight in the midst of giving up on Head Coach Mike Riley. With five games left this season, this streak could top even that one.

 

95.4 QB Rating
I know every time I bring up the QB Rating people in the comments talk about what a fruitless stat it is. I contend that, while it may not be perfect, it does a good job of telling you if the QB had a good day passing the football and staying clear of mistakes. It does not factor in 67 rushing yards Tim Tebow had against the Chargers, and yet the Broncos' QB still finished with a QB Rating almost 20 points higher than Philip Rivers. Why? Because he was throwing longer passes (7.9 yards per attempt vs 5.2 for Rivers), completing almost as many as El Capitan (50% vs 52.8%), getting sacked less (1 vs. 3) and throwing just as many TDs while not throwing any interceptions.

This seems strange to say, but Tim Tebow was the better QB and statistically the better passer on Sunday. Much of that had to do with the differing talent of the two defenses, though.

Star-divide

 

208 Rushing Yards Allowed
The Broncos came into this game averaging 208 rushing yards per game since Tim Tebow took over as starter, and they lived up to that number exactly. Each of their RBs averaged at least 4.0 yards per carry, and Willis McGahee finished with 117 yards on 23 carries (5.1 YPC). Despite the fact that the RBs were often kept from hitting the second level of defenders, the LBs that were tackling were being pushed back on nearly every play.

 

3 points in 45 minutes
I brought this up in the initial postgame article. This team is not supposed to win games with its defense. Rather, the Chargers are supposed to be one of the best offensive teams in the league when all of their weapons are healthy (and, outside of Malcom Floyd and the offensive line, they are). In the last 45 minutes of the game, the second half and all of overtime, San Diego managed to get a field goal and nothing more. They put the game in the hands of their defense far too many times, and it's not a good enough defense to do that with.

The Chargers' only TD was scored with 7:58 remaining in the first half. After that point, they were outscored 16-3.

 

2 catches, 25 rec yards
Vincent Jackson continues his up-and-down season that is proving that he can be shutdown by an elite CB. His 100+ yard games this season have come against the Patriots, Dolphins, Packers and Bears. Not exactly the best pass defenses in the league. I like that Norv was moving Jackson into the slot to try and get Champ Bailey off of him, but the fact that he had to do that shows that he is not worthy of the Andre Johnson/Larry Fitzgerald-type contract that he's still looking for.

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Great point about VJ

And it really illuminates the duality of the role of the GM (especially this team’s). We villify Mr. No Rings for not signing VJ to a long-term contract, and then we see “disappearances” such as yesterday. Is VJ really worth the monster deal he seeks?? Relatively speaking, yes. Without him, this team has limited options in the passing game. But how great is he — really? Big and strong? Sure. Able to leap not-so-tall defenders in a single bound? Okay. Franchise-tag worthy? Hmm, I guess. But elite? Hardly.

by Andy (allfield) on Nov 28, 2011 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

It is hard to look great against top corners

when you have a QB that is playing like Rivers is this season. This team was built to win with Rivers playing at the elite QB level, this season he has played far below elite and in my opinion below average.
I think that VJ is a top ten WR in the NFL, maybe I am wrong, we will see what other teams think if the Chargers don’t franchise him again.

by JeromeB on Nov 28, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Turner will be gone

I do not believe their head coach Turner will be the Chargers coach for next season or till the end of this year. You can see the frustration and how Rivers just yells at him on the sideline not caring. On paper they should kill the Broncos and othe rteams they have lost to. Your 5 bad stats are very correct and this is a terrible six game losing streak. Do not understand how a team that has so many elite players can suck this bad.

by chalker0024 on Nov 28, 2011 9:30 AM PST reply actions  

I'm not sure I agree with this:
outside of Malcom Floyd and the offensive line, they are [healthy].

First of all, you’re making sound like those are minor things. FLoyd is the #2 receiver and one of Rivers’s favorite targets. Also the “offensive line” is a pretty big deal. They’re missing their three top starters and their three top backups. They’ve got a street free agent and the #8 guy on the depth chart starting at guard. That’s incredibly bad.

Second, there’s a ton of guys on offense battling a bunch of nagging injuries. Gates, Jackson, and Mathews in particular, and how they’ve been limited as a result has been well document. Those aren’t minor issues.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 28, 2011 9:49 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

the O line is a very big deal...

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Nov 28, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree with the O-line part

but Floyd being hurt year after year is a given. Love his talent but it is time to move on and spend the money on somebody who might actually take the field on a regular basis.

by JeromeB on Nov 28, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

but they sucked even

when everyone was healthy.

by irishlad on Nov 28, 2011 10:12 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

and the 208 rushing yards are skewed by 60 in overtime

42 rushing yards per quarter for the Broncos is pretty good run D in my book…

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Nov 28, 2011 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

time to rbuild the o line

McNeil has missed too many games bcause of his neck. Time to replace him. Hardwick ain’t what h used to be. Time to find a replacement.

by irishlad on Nov 28, 2011 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

if they had 7 picks in the first 3 rounds then yes...

spend at least 2 of them on linemen. But there are more serious needs. SS, ILB, OLB, CB, TE,WR,RB,QB,HC,DC,K,LS,PR,DE and FB

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Nov 28, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm going to disagree and say that the o line is the most serious need we have

Then OLB’s Safety and MLB and TE…qb and hb are at the bottom of the list nobody with a sane train of thought really thinks Rivers needs to be benched also Mathews and Tolbert can do what LT himself used to handle alone…unless a rookie blows them outta the water or if Dangelo Williams wants to be a Charger next season and we pull that off…lol

by Gorditoe1 on Nov 28, 2011 2:01 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Rather, the Chargers are supposed to be one of the best offensive teams in the league when all of their weapons are healthy (and, outside of Malcom Floyd and the offensive line, they are).

This is a tough statement. Floyd and the Oline are 4 out of 11 players that should be on the field. That’s a full third of the offense (36%). If I have the time I want to take a look at the amount and percentage of salary that has been inactive and IR’d this year, it’s probably a staggering chunk of salary lost/wasted between Gates, Philips, Dielman, McNeill, Castillo, English.

by Orz on Nov 28, 2011 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

We need a metric to compare ...

… The impact of injuries. How important is the position? How good was the injured player? How capable is the backup? Et cetera.

by Robo65 on Nov 28, 2011 11:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The O-Line talent has been allowed to deteriorate

The O-line has been intact for the last 2 yrs (Shilling excluded). The reserves were not ready to play (another coaching issue). Our O-line play has been average to just above average at best for 2 yrs. Why were we to believe the back-ups were ready to step in and play at a high level? The Team has known that McNiell has a history of neck problems but never addressed an adequate back-up for him. Clary has been a marginal RT for the last 4 yrs, but there was no urgency to upgrade from him or get an adequte back-up in place. The lines interior has been decent for the most part (reserves included) However the Tackle positions have been ignored. It shows in the line play this year as the pocket seems to collapse from the outside in. The pocket is never clean and is narropw due to breakdowns from the Tackle position. I think this has more to do with Rivers inconsistent year than anything else. Fix the line (especially the Tackle postions) and Rivers play will improve dramatically.

by Fouts of Rage! on Nov 28, 2011 11:31 AM PST reply actions  

No team is ever ready to lose six offensive linemen including their three most talented starters.

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by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

No, no.

We’re supposed to have All-Pros starting and pro-bowlers as their backups. Anything less is an ABSOLUTE FAILURE.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 28, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

so what the man stated has no merit?

I think you’re just being a meanie and you’re jealousy is showing cuz he beat you to the punch and stated this before you had the opportunity.

by Gorditoe1 on Nov 28, 2011 2:07 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Every team deals with injuries

How well you are prepared on personnel and coaching to deal with them is part of the job.

Look at KC last night. They played Pittsburgh tough without their starting QB or RB. Imagine us against Pittsburgh without Rivers and Matthews.

Not saying Haley is a great coach, but they are finding ways to still be competitive with injuries.

Think of the Patriots the year without Brady: 11-5 with Cassel and in a tough division.

I am undecided on AJ; given some of his earlier drafts, willing to let his recent work play out and hope for a few good signings.

Turner, given his history with other teams and with ours, cannot be defended. He is not an idiot, etc, but whatever the necessary ingredients for an effective HC are (vs. OC), he does not have them.

by jayman66 on Nov 28, 2011 11:31 AM PST reply actions  

Bobby Nix Effect?

How much of early draft success was due to AJ’s early staff?

by Robo65 on Nov 28, 2011 11:59 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Buddy Nix.

Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan

by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no idea

He was there through 2008, but yes, AJ’s best drafts were with Nix. If he continues to flail and recent drafts do not pan out, then yes, he should be shown the door. Hopefully John Spanos is not his replacement. If so, it could be good or, I fear, lead to another 5-10 years of mediocrity.

by jayman66 on Nov 28, 2011 1:13 PM PST reply actions  

Those were also the years they had their highest draft picks.

Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan

by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

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