Chargers Fall to the Broncos: Good, Bad, and Ugly
The Chargers lose to Tebow and the Broncos at home. As many fans would like this to be the end of the nightmare, I don't see that happening, at least not this week. It appears to me that this Chargers team is either afraid to win or forgot how to win. Either way, the fan base is foaming at the mouth for change.
Good:
Ryan Mathews - We ripped Jackson, he broke out. We ripped Mathews, he broke out. Next Saturday... we rip everyone! Mathews has three 100+ yard rushing games in his career, they are all against the Broncos. A report came out from someone at CBS this morning saying that Mathews would be limited today, causing many fantasy owners to freak out and bench Mathews. Silly CBS.
Antonio Gates - Gates was thrown to ten times, had six catches for 49 yards, and a touchdown. Gates is not the same player we have seen in years past, but he is still dangerous. Side note: It was painful to watch Gates jump around after he scored that touchdown. You know he wanted to dunk that football over the goal post, but that wasn't happening.
Takeo Spikes - Spikes was a tackle machine, which is exactly what I would expect to see against a run heavy team like the Broncos. 14 tackles (8 solo), and a tackle for loss.
Honorable Mention: The CBS cameras getting a shot of Novak reliving himself on the sidelines.
Bad:
Philip Rivers - This team lives and dies with him, and just like the Chargers cannot put together a complete game, neither can Rivers. 19/36 188 yards and a touchdown is respectable, but this is Philip Rivers, not Andy Dalton. Rivers threw one touchdown to Gates in the second quarter and no touchdowns in the second half. So much for being a second half team.
Vincent Jackson - Don't act surprised, we all expect Jackson to disappear after his big game last week in Chicago. Two catches for 25 yards doesn't exactly scream elite receiver.
Ugly:
Norv Turner - As much of an optimist as I attempt to be, I've never been a fan of Norv as a head coach. I'm sure he will be a splendid offensive coordinator once his time in San Diego is done, but he's just not the right guy for this team. I'm sure every coach makes bad decisions during the game, but I'm not concerned with every coach, I'm concerned with my coach. The Chargers seem to make too many mistakes, the clock management is terrible, and players have not developed under the Norv era.
Plenty of questions about new coaches have been popping up, and more will continue to. John has pointed out that the only candidate on the current staff would be Bisaccia. If that is the case, I think giving him a trial run wouldn't be a terrible idea. If a pool is starting, I would pick December 6th as the day Norv cleans out his office at Chargers park.
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This team has been doing the same things since the 2007 AFC Championship game
Can’t convert in the red zone and can’t get off the field on third down. It was that way at Washington, Oakland and now San Diego.
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, then you will be fired with enthusiasm. Vince Lombardi
Good: change is on the horizon
Bad: it won’t be here tomorrow
Ugly: the chargers have five more game to play…
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
by gatesoftds on Nov 27, 2011 8:35 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
+1 and pretty much sums up this team
by SDBear on Nov 27, 2011 10:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Again, I ask: who in their right mind fires a 14-2 coach?
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by Jonathan Holmes on Nov 27, 2011 8:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Someone opposed to nepotism... oh wait.
SAPNOS
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The same people who watched that coach give away a playoff game at home
A season after underachieving terribly.
This has nothing to do with Marty.
by CABurrito on Nov 27, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I should ban you for this.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 27, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Why?
"follow @radio2012, trust me, you will find his optimism, innocence, and honesty quite refreshing. as a jaded bastard, i sure do." justdave2103
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by Jonathan Holmes on Nov 27, 2011 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
ding ding ding
And a tired one at that.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 27, 2011 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
Not trying to be a troll.
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by Jonathan Holmes on Nov 27, 2011 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
Marty was solid but not amazing
He played smash mouth style. His biggest issue was being predictable late with a lead. His strength was when it worked… power right power left, come and stop it.
Norv, great play caller but the team is going down regression hill.
I want to see Gruden or Cowher next year, those guys can lead a team, and know football.
by Myemail21479 on Nov 28, 2011 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
So very, very tired.
We’ve been over this, people.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
No, whats tired is our current situation
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, then you will be fired with enthusiasm. Vince Lombardi
by Bolt Brother on Nov 27, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
The truth hurts people...reap what you sow.
like it or not, there have been just as many people that said Norv’s hire was a mistake, as there are saying he was good choice. Norv is a good “coach”, over the years i’ve come to understand that. it’s the chief reason i got off the “Fire Norv” bandwagon. I want Norv to deliver a SB Championship, but for whatever reason, loss of FA, missed draft picks, injuries, coaching changes, it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen. it sucks, but that’s life. It is what it is. We knew what type of coach we were getting, based on his two former jobs as HC. we made excuses to overlook this, he had bad team’s, the management sucked, whatever…
This is where we are…deal with it.
this team is 4-7 with 5 gams left to play. i want like hell for Norv to win them all, get into the playoffs and win a Lombardi trophy, just so i can have the satisfaction of seeing the look on all the raider, chefs an donkey fans faces and scream at them, “LIGHTS OUT PUNKS!!!! GAME OVER!!!!”
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
"If we only had Castillo"
HeHeHeHeHe, Oh man, to see the pundits on this site change their tune is worth the price of admission alone. You know who you are. You better go back and look at it.
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, then you will be fired with enthusiasm. Vince Lombardi
So "pundits" aren't allowed to change opinions?
I’m guessing that I am one of the “pundits” that you are referring to so I’ll go ahead and address your comment.
Was I on the Fire Norv bandwagon to start this season? Absolutely not.
Do I now think after a 4-7 start that Norv is the coach to lead this team to a Championship? No, not any more.
Am I entitled to “change my tune”? Absolutely. I am not saying that I think Norv was a bad hire at the time that he was hired given the limited options at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20, and I can’t fault the team for going with Norv when they did. But it’s clear to me at this point that a rebuilding effort is going to be necessary, and Norv has proven that he is not the type of coach that develops talent. It seems that Norv is not getting the most out of his playmakers, and this team does not play to their potential. I do not think that their potential is as one of the elite teams in the league, however. This roster is overrated by the media as far as perceived talent goes, and this season is underachieving…which means it is time for a change.
Oh yeah, and since the price of admission to this site is $0, I guess you are saying that it’s not worth much to see the pundits change their tune. Many of us writers were not as quick to write Norv off because there were certain areas in which he showed promise, and because it is not good practice to change a head coach every 2 seasons just because he doesn’t win a Superbowl.
So Rivers has to be hurt, right?
I know he insists he isn’t, but the guy it missing throws which he normally nails.
It's the pressure and the expected pressure.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 27, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
But he's dealt with that before
He’s had plenty of pressure in the past and still managed to put up much better numbers. In fact I one year (2008 I believe) he had a passer rating over 100 on plays in which the pass rush managed to touch him during the play.
Today he managed a rating in the 70s, and that was without any turnovers. He was missing throws even when he had a clean pocket. How have things gotten so bad?
otherwise known as 'happy feet' by knowledgeable sports fans,
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If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, then you will be fired with enthusiasm. Vince Lombardi
oops
there we go
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, then you will be fired with enthusiasm. Vince Lombardi
by Bolt Brother on Nov 27, 2011 9:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Glad I'm not the only one on the happy feet train.
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by Steve Adler on Nov 27, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
I love the" The future belongs to Jim Everett"
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, then you will be fired with enthusiasm. Vince Lombardi
"That's whack"
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, then you will be fired with enthusiasm. Vince Lombardi
bolts
put a fork in the heartless team they are done. Need a new coach new GM and new QB terrible they are losing to the broncos for christ sake. makes me sick.
You might get one of 3
Rivers isn’t going anywhere, and I wouldn’t bet on AJ leaving either.
As for losing to the Broncos… if its good enough for the rest of the AFCW plus the Jets, why should we be any different?
I agree with you, Norval is gone and AJ stays
Rivers has earned a few more seasons to prove he is still a quality QB in this league.
by SDBear on Nov 27, 2011 10:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
New QB? That's just absurd.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Norv Turner lost this game - DAMN UGLY
The way Norv Turner called plays on the last Chargers drive in OT against the Broncos epitomized the whole season and his coaching style. The Chargers are driving and in position to win, and Turner plays not to lose. The Chargers reach the Broncos 35, and Turner calls three straight runs up the middle to net them zero yards. He was content to kick a 50-yard field goal! He took the ball out of Rivers’ hands when Rivers had put together a great drive to that point. You can blame players for not making plays, but you can’t blame then when they are not given the chance to make plays by their coach. The sad thing is this is precisely what Turner has done in the red zone all season too. I saw it coming before the plays were even called. The only good thing to come out of this season will be the firing of Norv Turner. You have to be blind to be watching these games and not think he is an awful head coach.
by FreeHouse on Nov 27, 2011 10:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Not the first time he's done this either
Didn’t he do the exact same thing vs. the Jets in the playoffs, as well as earlier this year? He doesn’t learn from his mistakes.
Bad - Novak image will result in er flood of Pissing Away The Season Jokes.
by The Land Of Real Beer on Nov 28, 2011 2:58 AM PST reply actions
In fact
As I head to bed local time, I’m going to guess this is a huge story over there for you guys tomorrow. “Novakking” will replace Tebowing as the talk around the water cooler…and a gazillion hack sports journalists will use it in reference to the Charger’s 2011 season.
by The Land Of Real Beer on Nov 28, 2011 3:06 AM PST up reply actions
I will never look at a Gatorade bath
the same way again
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
Painful game to watch for sure..
Good: Mathews. Looked good when he got chances, unfortunately didn’t get enough chances. Also: Butler seemed to have a good game. I like him a lot.
Bad: PR17. He misfired on more than a few throws. Also, is the complete lack of deep throws his doing or is that coaching? IE- is he checking everything down because he’s hearing footsteps, or are they no longer trying to go deep. At least not as often as in the past. That is what seems to be really missing from this offense, its gone from a deep threat big play offense to a dink and dunk offense. A lot more throws across the middle and in traffic, not sure if that’s a cause or effect for PR17’s INT woes.
Ugly: Play-calling and personnel decisions or, as its otherwise known as, COACHING. Must win game, season on the line, etc, etc, 3rd and long – wave the white flag and give up with a between the tackles run. Didnt see that coming. They’ve turned PR17 into a ‘game manager’ and not a playmaker with the terrible playcalling. It’s a travesty and really really painful to watch.
Honorable Mention: Curtis Brinkley in the red zone.. really? REALLY???
Thank you for the kind words.
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Final reality
This team just isn’t that good. In fact they are worse each week. I hate to say it but this has the look of a 3 year rebuilding process, and only because we have a solid QB. The only real spots that don’t need to be addressed is DL (With Castillo) and RB. The OL is in shambles and needs some youth, the WR corps will be depleted WHEN VJax leaves, our best LB is 30 and hurt and cannot generate pass rush, our secondary (besides Weddle) is aged/lacking talent. TE Is on the downside and needs fresh legs. A new HC is a given. After looking at this roster and all the holes, I don’t understand why AJ should be back. This aging, broken down team with NO gamebreakers is his creation. This team needs a fresh start with fresh faces at HC and GM.
So looking forward....
OK so where do we go from here? Certainly no one saw Stan Humphries taking us to the Super Bowl but he did. Norv aint cutting it same as Marty. So, leads us to the ultimate question. Who do we need to get to lead our team to the ultimate victory?!
I think Rivers is still our guy. Matthews I could take or leave, although he has not been the Ferrari I bought from the show room. Receivers: strong group but come on back Floyd and welcome to the NFL Mr. Brown. That leaves…..well, that leaves the head honcho. Norv you gotta go. Lets all start the chant “Gruden, Gruden” next game!
by Bolt Action Smurf on Nov 28, 2011 8:10 AM PST reply actions
Well
If we let someone who go who lost only 3 games why not go ahead and release someone who has now lost 6 straight. I do hope the Chargers fire Norv. sit Rivers, sit Mathews and all other long term players.. say it is a play for your position on the team year and lose to get a better draft pick. JUST think back to Dallas and Wade Phillips and look at that team currently. I would say take their example and follow it.
Problem is...
Living in DFW, everyone knew Garrett would be the guy eventually. The Chargers do not have that situation, a good, young coach being groomed to assume control. Also, if AJ doesn’t get fired along with Norv I will lose all faith in this franchise. He is just as much to blame as Norv is.
agreed all around
Spanos jr. will be GM next year.. I think the team will get moved to LA but Spanos Jr. will do everything he can to leave San Diego with a championship before selling the team. I just think they should do this open door policy thing this year to truly evaluate their talent. Step one, have Rivers sit say it has been this undisclosed injury maybe there really is something there. Next step sign tolbert and Vj to long term deals. rest of the team spots are up for grab. finally hire fisher draft all o-line.. next year be a ground and pound team.
AJ Smith and Norv Turner needs to go.
AJ:
He has a history of making bad decisions:
There is a trend that if you make it to be Captain you are traded. Seau, Mcree,Edwards, Brees, Rodney…his trades tend to win Superbowls. look it up.
His draft picks do not pan out. Where is Kaeding, Brees…could have had Peyton, Eli, and Vick.
His way of picking coaches for the team was a fiasco. Lost Wade and Team because of being hesitant after firing Schottenheimer. Should of kept him and made Turner as an offesnsive coordinator, and Wade as a defensive coordinator.
AJ has his nose up Spanos asses even Alex Spanos is tired of it: AJ came from Buffalo, never produced a winning superbowl team. SD Chargers, same scenario, under achievement and costly bad decisions.As it relates to nose up butts, I predict the Spanos are aware of his mistakes, and might be thinking of letting him go too. depends how big his nose is.
If you look at the pay salaryies for each company, Chargers rank just above midway. Better than I thought knowing a little bit about the Spanos being cheap, but if you look at the top spenders, they are all the recent superbowl winners. You pay for what you get. AJ should get fired because he allowed the spanos to tie his hands behind his back.
Reason Why Norv should be fired: HE did not hire a track coach and utilzed the local QB coach that has improved Steelers QB and Cam Newton for RIVERS. Rivers immobility and throwing mechanics finally caught up on him.( Incidentally, this is what they talked about before drafting him) It is Norv responsibility to develop QB’s. He was a sucker for listening to a loud mouth second stringer, behind Brees, to promote him.Subsequently, Look what Brees has accomplished…Finally, Norv should be fired because he didnt have balls enough to yell at his players, and tell AJ that he was making bad decisions.
by They did same to Stockton, CA on Nov 28, 2011 9:35 AM PST reply actions
You had me here...
AJ should get fired because he allowed the spanos to tie his hands behind his back.
by The Land Of Real Beer on Nov 28, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
dude wtf are you talking about?
by Gorditoe1 on Nov 28, 2011 1:39 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Say goodbye Norv
You did ok for the first couple years but now, when things are not at their best, you show your true colors. I don’t get this whole “Norv is a great play caller” mantra I keep hearing. The play calling is awful. Was it the first series where Matthews was ripping off 10 & 15 yd runs at a whack. So naturally you want to go away from that and settle for a FG. And again at the end…it’s Tolbert’s turn to play?!?! WTF is that? Is this kindergarten ball or something? Your best runner is on the bench when you want to run? And you try to say you don’t know why? Norv, you’re clearly clueless on what is going on with your own offense and team. Just get the-hell-out.
My vote for inexcusibly bad. End of the first half, fumble by Denver, 3 friggin Chargers boot that ball trying to pick it up so Denver can get it back and score that TD. Hey guys, what have you been taught since about day one of midget ball? Ball on the ground in a crowd YOU JUST FRIGGIN FALL ON IT!!!! If Denver doesn’t get that TD maybe this pathetic team hangs on to win. Maybe.
What this team needs….a safety to play next to Weddle. Some LBs that are more than just a body filling a slot (3 out of 4). Somebody other than a bunch of projects on the D-line . Somebody to figure out why all of AJ’s recent picks get hurt. A new HC/OC and a new DC.
And please, not yet another retread reject from some other team. Is there a 3rd Harbaugh brother out there?
If I have to hear...
…that Norv Turner is an offensive genius one more time, I think I’m gonna puke! He looked like a genius in Dallas because he had incredible talent playing for him and a great head coach motivating his team and making the tough decisions. Yes, he has some cool looking plays that go for big yards on occasion, but most OC’s do. When the pressure is on and he has to come up with a big play, he chokes. I knew when the Bolts got within a 50 yard fieldgoal, that Norv would shut it down and try to set up the kick. Just like Marty did against the Jets in Kaeding’s rookie year. Offensive genius’ figure out a way to get another 10 to 15 yards to make the kick easy, not 53 yards.
Bolt Backer 21
Agreed BoltBacker
I thought Marty was back coaching after that lame ass final 3 run plays in OT. How about a few more passes? Great coaches are unpredictable. I do feel sorry for Turner, as this was one of the most inept and embarassing examples of coaching in Charger history. He wasted what I thought was a good defensive effort – yeah, no pass rush, but that may have been part of the plan to contain Tebow, which it did. One would think that holding the opposition to 13 points would be enough to win. At this point, 4-12 looks quite possible.

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