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San Diego Chargers Lose to Chicago Bears 31-20

Didn't that just feel so very San Diego Chargers-esque? The fans head into the game feeling like "Even if they lose, we knew it was coming." Then they show just enough for us to get excited and think "Wow, this team could maybe beat the Bears!" before playing the worst 4th quarter of football I think I've ever seen to remind us that, yes, this team is talented and, no, that doesn't mean they're good.

Ryan Mathews had 2 good carries in this game (and 11 bad ones) and topped the second one off with a fumble at the end. Philip Rivers had 3 good quarters of football and then threw 2 interceptions in the last quarter. The vaunted Chargers offense had ZERO YARDS in the 4th quarter. These are the plays the Chargers offense had in the 4th quarter:

That's it. 5 offensive plays, two of which were just dumb interceptions that didn't need to be thrown. If you haven't faced the reality by now, you should. This is a bad football team. They lead the league in turnovers for a reason. They are very, very poorly coached and are playing with slightly less motivation and heart each week (which is understandable). They're finished.

Oh, and it's not as if the defense was any better. They, at one point, gave up touchdowns on 4 consecutive Bears possessions. They sacked Jay Cutler zero times. The only thing they did well was stop Matt Forte, which was obviously step 1 in their gameplan, but that's not enough if the rest of the team is left open.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Chargers lose-out at this point and, honestly, I'm almost rooting for it to happen. The Chargers need to get a top 5 pick and turn it into 3-4 picks in the first 2 rounds for their new coaching staff to build the team in whatever fashion they want. It's time to stop talking about games and start talking about coaches, draft picks and the offseason.

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Cason

I can’t believe how bad he’s been this year. I had high hopes for him coming into this season.

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Nov 20, 2011 4:40 PM PST reply actions  

i'm don't even think cromartie regressed this much.

although cro had such a huge year in 2007 that his performance looks like a bell curve. cason’s has been more like a cliff.

by classicmfk on Nov 20, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm in complete agreement john.

except i think the more likely scenario is that norv comes back next year and poops the bed yet again, the city votes and doesn’t pass whatever stadium bill is coming up and the chargers leave to LA and start over with a spanos as GM and a new HC.

by classicmfk on Nov 20, 2011 4:40 PM PST reply actions  

New cities don't like new head coaches

They’re a lot harder to promote.

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by John Gennaro on Nov 20, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

it's LA man, it won't matter.

pretty sure the next chargers GM we see will be one of the spanos sons and bring in a HC with final say on personnel. which honestly i wouldn’t be mad at. don’t think it will be in san diego at this point unfortunately. too many fair-weather fans and people from all over the country living here to vote for the stadium with this product on the field.

by classicmfk on Nov 20, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it sad

that these dont relly hurt any more?

by TioTheo on Nov 20, 2011 4:40 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah

I almost had zero reaction on Rivers’ first INT.

"You play to win the game."

by MrWayneKeller on Nov 20, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

that 4th quarter summed up the season pretty well.

norv blows the clock management and wastes 2 timeouts while losing a challenge. rivers rolls out and tries to throw the ball away to a hashmark, intercepted by someone on the other team who actually gives a f***.

by classicmfk on Nov 20, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I did too

the combination of the rapidfire turnover trading, the absolutely pathetic attempt to throw it away, followed by the IMMEDIATE cut to Norv looking constipated was really poetic

by abara on Nov 20, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah i cackled like a maniac when Norv botched the TO/Challenge thing

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"The Red Sox and Yankees are playing as I type but I don't know who's winning because I don't watch Arena League baseball." - the genius TTG

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by justdave on Nov 20, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

my non football

watching brother in law was like what the heck is he doing?!

by TioTheo on Nov 20, 2011 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Rivers

I thought the Int. to Jackson b4 was Rivers fault and now I’m sure! Norv: “He was trying to BEND Jackson around the DB” Really, BEND him, does that mean he MISSED him like he did last week and let him take the Flack!
I KNEW when we got the ball Rivers was going to throw it to Chicago, I don’t know why, but I knew. I f Rivers is 100% like he says we are in for it.
Maybe Norv and AJ have driven him crazy.

by chuck69y on Nov 20, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Now onto draft prospects

Seeing as we are almost definitely getting a top 10 pick (probably 5) who are some of the best OLB’s out there?

by cameronm on Nov 20, 2011 4:48 PM PST reply actions  

I agree with John, but some talent is just too good to be pass

I see it as a depth problem, so I would rather they draft more good players than an awesome 1st pick. But you can never tell with our draft.

by Lightning Hobo on Nov 20, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Nov 20, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

top 5 picks are much more of sure things than later first round picks

Ask Cam Newton, Von Miller, Marcel Dareus, A.J. Green, and Patrick Peterson…there’s a reason those guys are the best looking rookies at their positions this season.

Not saying there aren’t busts in the top 5, but I feel like there are less busts in the top 5 than there are in the bottom 5 of the first

by jkvandal on Nov 20, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

i want a new GM

before we start talking draft. otherwise, we’ll just draft some 5th round rated injury prone scrub that no other GM would have drafted (genius!).

by sirbud on Nov 20, 2011 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

We're 4-6 with plenty of football left to play

how are we feeling about the 4-1 start now? They were playing bad football in those games, and it’s caught up to them in the last 5.

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Nov 20, 2011 4:48 PM PST reply actions  

it's pretty much EXACTLY what i was afraid of when we were 4-1

I thought it was cold comfort that the writers seemed to believe “in past years they’d be 1-4!” constituted reassurance, because those teams showed signs of turning it around. the Chargers have put the same performance out week after week and the good teams in the later parts of their schedule are exposing that for the mediocrity it is

by abara on Nov 20, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Even if they lose out it's hard to see them having a top-5 pick.

The Colts, Rams, Seahawks, Cardinals, Panthers, and Vikings will all probably be worse than the Chargers. Then there are others that might end up worse, like the Chiefs, Browns, Jaguars, and Redskins.

They picked a bad year to suck—there are a LOT of crappy football teams this year.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 20, 2011 4:50 PM PST reply actions  

Kinda crazy how one year (2003) 4-12 gets you the first overall pick

and then this year, 4-12 might be good enough for pick 8 or 9.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 20, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

The league is improving every year (at sucking)

These days you have to go 0-16 to beat the best teams (at losing)

by Lightning Hobo on Nov 20, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Suckin'

Don’t give up, there’s lots more suckin’ to come. Norvbert has lots more sucking tricks up his selve. That said, Norv ain’t fumbling and pitchin’ it to the wrong team and injuries are a problem, but I don’t recall Rivers getting hit.

by chuck69y on Nov 20, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I miss the

2-3 starts with late runs into the playoffs but come on, honestly. At first it was like ok SD is a slow starter, but as we fell from 14-2 and started a slow downward spiral over Turners coaching career, how obvious is it that he was just dovetailing onto the success of a great team that Marty had. OK. PR progressed and became a fantastic QB culminating in a great personal season last year, but to me it seems like the longer Norv is here now, the more PR gets hurt. Yes, everyone’s saying it, but I’ve been on the bandwagon since the beginning. FIRE NORV

by Brian K on Nov 20, 2011 4:52 PM PST reply actions  

This

Today pushed me over laugh all u want but I belived the players…I will be suprised if they can finish strong.

by TioTheo on Nov 20, 2011 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty typical Chargers loss

Identify the key issue going into the game (O-line protection), address it, lose for a different reason (D can’t stop anyone).

"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner

by Cake or Death on Nov 20, 2011 4:52 PM PST reply actions  

defense played well the first half.

but was out-coached pretty horribly in the 2nd.

by classicmfk on Nov 20, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Coaching was pretty bad

but let’s not pretend they weren’t out-talented, either.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 20, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't totally agree

I think we have massive talent that’s been COACHED to FAIL.

by Brian K on Nov 20, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

This team is set at maybe three positions.

Quarterback, right guard, and free safety.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 20, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

If you are referring to this season,

but what about Left Tackle? Tight End(Gates isn’t done yet)? WR?(Jackson, Floyd, Brown(looks promising). Tolbert and Matthews make a good tandem, but are coached poorly, and used worse. Defensively… I cant really think of anything I feel confident in besides Weddle.

by Brian K on Nov 20, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh

Butler is good at LB, WR is an issue.. haven’t seen M80 out there but him and VJ need new contracts, Tolbert needs a new contract as well.. There is some good development with the guys at DE… CB depth could be developing.. really the issues are on the offensive side of the ball.

by Mikeswc on Nov 20, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Really....

That’s how you see it? No problems on defense.

by Rushmore on Nov 20, 2011 5:43 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Agreed

We have NO FUCKING PASS RUSH or gamebreakers on defense. Cason is a nickel corner and Jammer, Phillips and Spikes are over 30. With Castillo back our D line and FS are the only spots not in need of immediate upgrades. Not to say that the O is without need, but they are putting up enough points to win, and maybe Rivers is pressing because he knows they have to put up over 30 to even have a CHANCE to win

by Eman3737 on Nov 20, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

I forgot to mention that the O line is in shambles and really needs a young talent there

by Eman3737 on Nov 20, 2011 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

did I say that

I said the biggest issues the team needs to address are clearly on the offensive side of the ball… OL protection and WR, RB depth after this year.

by Mikeswc on Nov 21, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Who knows how serious McNeill's injury is?

We clearly need another tight end because Gates, as much as we love him, is on the downward slope of his career. Jackson is a free agent. Floyd is never healthy. Brown looks good. And we agree on defense, as free safety was one of the positions I mentioned.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 20, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Although,

I also forgot Shaun Phillips, probably the second best defensive player, and Barnes is the best pass rusher we have(healthy). Butler is decent, but do you feel “set” at LB?

by Brian K on Nov 20, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

set...

is a relative term.. set enough yes if everyone is healthy.

by Mikeswc on Nov 20, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Zach i agree

 but we’ve needed a lot of things for while now. It was only a matter of time before we needed a TE. but with good Depth, you don’t need Gates to play on one foot. he can stay on the sidelines until he’s healthy. this can extend a players career and keep him fresh , in the event of a playoff appearance.

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Nov 20, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

couple pointed coaching gasps

1. handling the end of the 1st half.. Norv could have used a TO to save time so our offense could have gotten at least 4 -5 more yards for a FG.
2. Use of time outs in the 4th quarters and horrible TO then Challenge call.
3. Abandoning the run even though Matthews fumbled why not give Tolbert a couple runs besides a shotgun draw.

by Mikeswc on Nov 20, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

forgot

4. kick the damn ball out of bounce on a punt so Hester does not have a shot.

by Mikeswc on Nov 20, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

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by justdave on Nov 20, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow,

You’d think that punting a ball out of bounds must be rocket science considering no one on the team thought of that. Mikeswc must be a genius, lets make him Coach, he’s gotta be better than norv right?

by Brian K on Nov 20, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

pretty sure

I would be alright.. just saying..

by Mikeswc on Nov 20, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't

Knocking on you Mike, I was agreeing saying seriously, why couldn’t anyone think of that besides you?

by Brian K on Nov 20, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

not necessarily

i actually thought we schemed pretty well for Hester, we just didn’t execute by actually knocking him down when we got our hands on him.

however the atrocious clock management falls on Norv’s head and no one else. In that criticism, i wholeheartedly agree with what Mikeswc had to say.

"I suggest more bike" ~KSK

"The Red Sox and Yankees are playing as I type but I don't know who's winning because I don't watch Arena League baseball." - the genius TTG

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by justdave on Nov 20, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

But,

why give him the chance? Scifres is a great directional punter, great overall, why give our special teams a chance to pull a 2010?

by Brian K on Nov 20, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah i hear ya.

part of me thinks its an ego thing. like, a “we are gonna be the team that stops him… yeah i know Hester looks sick on film, but he wasn’t playing us” kind of mentality.

i don’t agree with it at all… just trying to put my finger on why people keep kicking to him…

"I suggest more bike" ~KSK

"The Red Sox and Yankees are playing as I type but I don't know who's winning because I don't watch Arena League baseball." - the genius TTG

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by justdave on Nov 20, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

if anyone knows

Justdave and my track record… This is special… lol

by Mikeswc on Nov 20, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

hahah you know it man!

"I suggest more bike" ~KSK

"The Red Sox and Yankees are playing as I type but I don't know who's winning because I don't watch Arena League baseball." - the genius TTG

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by justdave on Nov 20, 2011 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Giving up is not hard.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Chargers lose-out at this point and, honestly, I’m almost rooting for it to happen.

No almost. I wish they had lost more games (and were 2-8) cause yeah, no more “get this team back on track” or “he should have/would have/could have.” LOSE NOW and get high draft pick and easier schedule or LOSE LATER and go 0-16 next season.

Norv and AJ aren’t yet done destroying this team from the inside out.

by riversonfire on Nov 20, 2011 4:54 PM PST reply actions  

the problem is we play out a season like we play every game. only play well for one half.

that keeps us sufficiently average which is the worst spot you can end every season in the NFL because you end up getting boned on schedule and draft picks while the crappy teams rebuild around you and the good teams continue to dominate and win.

by classicmfk on Nov 20, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree. Finishing 7-9 or 8-8 does NOTHING,

Even if by some miracle they make the playoffs, they’ll get embarrassed by some REAL physical/elite team and get a 16th pick and God help us, more Norval. It does no good.

by riversonfire on Nov 20, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

AJ has a contract until 2012-14

I dont see him leaving before that. And I don’t see him staying after either.

by Lightning Hobo on Nov 20, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

nope, like i said earlier, i think the next GM we see will be a spanos son

which kinda limits our choices with HCs if norv gets fired because you have a find a guy who doesn’t butt heads with AJ like marty did. aka another norv.

by classicmfk on Nov 20, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

People get released from contacts all the time in this business

It would be a fitting end to the Lord of No Rings to get his buy out and go be a genius somewhere else. Like Oakland.

North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.

by SDNativeinTX on Nov 20, 2011 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly

nobody wants to be the Texans

by abara on Nov 20, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd

rather be the texans right now.

by Brian K on Nov 20, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

sure but

you know Peyton could lead 10 high schoolers to the top of that division

by abara on Nov 20, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Or this division, for that matter.

North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.

by SDNativeinTX on Nov 20, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

As much as each loss is killer,

I don’t want Norv around next year, so I agree, I’d rather lose out and lose turner(and the lord of no rings) rather then continue this pattern of slow implosion stretching out to yet another year)

by Brian K on Nov 20, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

FINALLY!

sanity has broken through!
THNAK YOU Brina K! WE LOVE YA!!!!

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Nov 20, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

0

adjustments in the second half on all accounts. I worry about Rivers at this point.. how can he recover with or without Norv. What happens next honestly, Charger fans… what happens next? if Norv stays for the rest of the year we should/ will see a Wade Phillips ala Dallas last year… this will get ugly.

by Mikeswc on Nov 20, 2011 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

Never been so fatalistic...

About the Chargers. For the first time in over 5 years I have no expectations from this team. Part of me is happy to see them lose as long as it leads to a Norvless team and a higher draft pick.

by Rushmore on Nov 20, 2011 5:02 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Why?

Is Larry English back in the draft?

by Eman3737 on Nov 20, 2011 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

charger fan

Meet padre fan

Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.

by Mad_Villain on Nov 20, 2011 5:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'd still rather be a Charger fan,

16 hard games(and potential losses) is worse then 100+ tough games, and even more(and more likely) potential losses.

by Brian K on Nov 20, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

they aren't even fun to watch anymore

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by justdave on Nov 20, 2011 5:09 PM PST reply actions  

i dont know how many times i've said this

Chargers have the most predictable play selection…today they surprised me with just 2 plays

by ﺕmemo on Nov 20, 2011 5:09 PM PST reply actions  

Hey guys...

Just wanted to say thanks for having us over this week to discuss the game, and for coming over to our place to talk as well, you’ve all been a bunch of class acts. The injured folks on your team really can’t come back soon enough, especially the linemen.

Good game and best of luck the rest of the year.

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by Steven Schweickert on Nov 20, 2011 5:10 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

thanks bud

best of luck the rest of the season.

by cameronm on Nov 20, 2011 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

giggety

"I suggest more bike" ~KSK

"The Red Sox and Yankees are playing as I type but I don't know who's winning because I don't watch Arena League baseball." - the genius TTG

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by justdave on Nov 20, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Is that the same Cro

Whose team lost to the Broncos at the last second earlier this week?

by flounder2 on Nov 20, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Riiiiight

because they guarantee a Superbowl every season and fall short every time…so they can talk about finishing

by jkvandal on Nov 20, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

agree with many others that i am ready for next year

even if they sneak into playoffs ahead of raiders or denver, i would rather have a higher pick and new coaching staff. although in norv’s defense, he didn’t cause the matthews fumbles or the bad 1st interception. our pass-pro was better then i expected.

but i agree about the super stupid coaching gaffes already mentioned. i am immune to further losses as i no longer have expectations.

by chaplinesque on Nov 20, 2011 5:15 PM PST reply actions  

Somebody is not communicating to RM 24 certain fundamentals,

like getting two hands WRAPPED on the ball when you see/sense/feel imminent defensive contact. At any level of Football, that gets pounded into you, even if you are required to carry a football every second of the moment you are at the facility and your teammates are rewarded if they can get the ball away from you…

That is also poor coaching – a lot of RM’s fumbles are from a lack of fundamental ball handling technique.

North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.

by SDNativeinTX on Nov 20, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

If you watch any other gamebreaking RB’s in this game you see many of them carry the ball just like RM24. He doubles up on the ball in traffic through the line but when he’s in the open field you can’t break tackles with both hands on the ball, he’s gotta find a way to hold onto it though.

by jkvandal on Nov 20, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, just stopped in to troll a bit and relate to your lack of coaching confidence.... (at least Norv didn't trade away your team!!)

Here’s to a great game next week, it should be fun to watch even if neither of us is going anywhere this season. (though your team SHOULD be good enough to!!)

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 20, 2011 5:21 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

let's not go crazy

no one compares to mcdaniels, not even norv

by Marc Bonifacio on Nov 20, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

At least he was banished after two seasons.

Norville is like that rash you just can’t get rid of and can’t even scratch at in public, because of where it’s located…

North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.

by SDNativeinTX on Nov 20, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

scary. I'm afraid Tebow will be good enough to be a Norv-like rash

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 20, 2011 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

if u beat Den

u are still in it but DET BALT will be Hard even if u win next week u are looking at 8-8 or 7-9

okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider Stay humble in victory respect all fear none and finish larry soprano

by j-man on Nov 20, 2011 5:22 PM PST reply actions  

little early.

the guy looks amazing at times behind what has been a pretty lackluster offensive line this year. if can stay healthy i think he has a shot at being great but with our training staff i’m worried that won’t happen.

by classicmfk on Nov 20, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

grand mal seizure

that awful

okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider Stay humble in victory respect all fear none and finish larry soprano

by j-man on Nov 20, 2011 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

no, he's a Moreno - ok yes maybe.

R Bush in the Making?

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 20, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I like what he's shown at times

but the fragility plus the fumbles (and he’s no AP where you can overlook them because he’s such a beast otherwise) are going to keep him from being an elite back.

but ultimately, no RB is going to break out big for the Chargers until the run blocking improves. LT’s MVP year spoiled us but we haven’t seen anything like it since because the line has continually deteriorated since then

by abara on Nov 20, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

no

okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider Stay humble in victory respect all fear none and finish larry soprano

by j-man on Nov 20, 2011 5:23 PM PST reply actions  

what record do we need for Norv to get fired?

I’m thinking 6-10. Is it possible for AJ to get fired, even at 4-12?

by sirbud on Nov 20, 2011 5:30 PM PST reply actions  

Playoffs

No playoffs. No Norv. I believe.

by Rushmore on Nov 20, 2011 5:52 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

the more i think about it, the more i think it's possible but not likely.

they had to make the choice between AJ and a HC before and they chose AJ, but that was after he looked like a draft genius with rivers, gates, merriman, dielman, harwick, castillo, jackson, sproles, mcneill, and cromartie. that’s through 2006.

since then guys you could say have panned out as good picks are: weddle, hester, tolbert, and probably vasquez. you’ve got mathews, cason, luiget, butler, hughes and thomas who the jury is still out on. buster and english i think you can safetly call busts and a number of guys who are no longer on the team but also not really making an impact anywhere else.

then you have the personnel failure last year that let to the worst special teams in history and a team that apparently needed a nudge to get over the hump back in 2006 that didn’t even make the playoffs in 2010. he doesn’t look like such a genius anymore.

by classicmfk on Nov 20, 2011 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

the one we have

right now. hopefully AJ goes with it but I wouldnt hold my breath. The Spanos clan is too stupid to win anything. So I’m sure their moron kid will take over and really fuck up the franchise.

by bols4thewin on Nov 20, 2011 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

hahaha Marty ball would be nice right now eh?

thank God you fired him.

Thank God Norv won’t go back to what he’s good at!

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 20, 2011 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

horrible move but at that time it was AJ or marty and dean made his decision.

with 20/20 hindsight, it looks like he backed the wrong horse and made a huge tactical error replacing a head coach when you had a talented team that was so close.

by classicmfk on Nov 20, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

does anyone remember...

4 & 11??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????

by Marc Bonifacio on Nov 20, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

loved it!

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 20, 2011 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry, but told ya so

I’ve said the ;last couple years that the O line needed upgraded. L T ain’t in his prime but still manages to pick up yards behind a better line. Hard to say who’s more responible norv or a j. But, I’d have to say a j for two reasons. First, keeping norv, second his crappy draft picks (busts) I’d fire a j now, and hire a new gm so that he can assess who to keep and who to can. And start getting ready for the draft. If a j is still gm, expwect the chargers to suck again next year tregardless if norv is around or not. If a j is still around, I expect he will trade this years and next years first for a second and third round pick this year. Then, probably select another larry english and another bust with those picks. The chargers won’t be real contenders untill a j is fired.

by irishlad on Nov 20, 2011 5:50 PM PST reply actions  

Sorry but you are wrong on LT

He has 167 yards on 46 carries, 3.6 YPC this season.
Shonn Greene has 573 yards on 148 attempts, 3.9 YPC average.

Mathews – 580 yards on 130 attempts, 4.5 YPC this season
Tolbert – 296 yards on 76 carries, 3.9 YPC this season.

I find it is hard to say the Jets offensive line makes the Jets more successful in the running game….since they aren’t.

by jkvandal on Nov 20, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I'll be a Seahawks fan

cause when they lose it’s expected and boring but when they win it’s overachieving and thrilling. The exact opposite of being a Chargers fan.

(I kid, I would never stray from this pathetic team.)

by riversonfire on Nov 20, 2011 5:53 PM PST reply actions  

see i

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by justdave on Nov 20, 2011 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

have been trying to figure out who i will root for when we move to LA

and am strongly considering the Browns for that very reason.

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by justdave on Nov 20, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

"Crucial 4th qtr. picks are an overlooked part of Rivers legacy"

I said this at the start of last season and was ridiculed to no end. I guess crucial 4th qtr. picks are no longer an overlooked part of his legacy and have become his legacy.

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by Bolt Brother on Nov 20, 2011 6:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Thanks for being good sports guys

Coming from a Bears fan, it is especially frustrating when a season goes the way it has for you guys. I remember feeling great after our 3-1 start in 09, especially after beating the Steelers, but that season fell apart in a gruesome fashion. Hope you guys get all the injured players back on the field soon.

Philip Rivers is still one of my favorite players to watch (weird coming from a fan of a team that has Jay Cutler), and I hope he gets his head on straight.

by Midway Bully on Nov 20, 2011 6:02 PM PST reply actions  

we saw some great Rivers/Cutler shootouts when he was in-division

it’s a shame Rivers couldn’t have lived up to some of those performances today, but I guess it’s just one of those years

by abara on Nov 20, 2011 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

from top to bottom this is a pretty horrible football organization

spanos – fires head coach after a 14-2 season and a loss by 3 in the afc championship game, but waits until most coaching decisions around the league have already been made to do it.

AJ – can’t get along with said head coach, replaces him with a coach that has failed to lead a team multiple times but is mild-mannered enough to not rock the boat. plays hardball with player contracts and lets two of his best sit out the majority of the 2010 season on contract disputes. falls in love with certain players in the draft and does everything in his power to get that guy whether it means drafting him 2 rounds early or trading 2 later picks to move up and get him.

norv – “brilliant offensive mind” who can’t admit that he’s better at running an offense than a team. doesn’t understand how the clock works in a football game or what timeouts are for. is consistently out-coached in at least one half of every game. looks lost on the sideline for the majority of every game and has nothing but the same thing to say after every game. about as motivational as a prostate exam.

since you can’t fire an owner, i say it’s about time to start from scratch and rebuild but i’m not exactly sure we should expect anything new from this ownership.

by classicmfk on Nov 20, 2011 6:15 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

aren't you moving to LA?

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 20, 2011 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

It's all been said

AJ/Norv/Spanos sucked the life out of me; this team hurts to watch.

But it really goes to the ownership and their inability to find the right guys to run the player operations. Getting Butler was the last intelligent thing they have done.

And I love during the lock out how the pro-owner line was something about the owners taking all the risk, free market, etc.

These are the most nepotistically run organizations I know of, devoid of accountability.

by jayman66 on Nov 20, 2011 8:49 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

AT LEAST THE RAIDERS STILL SUCK

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue
Could we get a Countdown to Castillo's return?

by Superduperboltman on Nov 21, 2011 9:57 AM PST reply actions  

NORV "Loser" Turner

Norv took over the 1991 Redskins Roster after winning the superbowl in 1993. he ended with a 3-13 season. not good enough yet??? he took over the 2002 AFC Champs Raiders in 2004, led them to a 5-11 and 4-12 season. is the fact that norv is bringing the chargers down actually a surprise? NO!!! the chargers knew what they were getting and they got it. the decision should fall on the shoulders of the GM too. at what point are we going to finally release this HORRIBLE COACH AND GM? the lions finally realized they had an idiot in the head office and let him go… guess what… they are “winning” now. everyone else has 4 receiver sets with garbage QBs. rivers is getting his butt whipped due to lack of options and lack of blocking. no friggin surprise here. get rid of those that are making stupid decisions and learn to win!

by DANNY IBARRA on Nov 21, 2011 7:01 PM PST reply actions  

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