San Diego Chargers Lose to Oakland Raiders, 24-17
I hope everyone believes me now when I say that the 2011 San Diego Chargers are just not a good team. The defense is not very good, giving up 24 points to an incredibly simplistic offense filled with backups, rookies and QBs playing their 3rd game of the season. The offense is not very good, completing less than 50% of their passes.
This team starts and stops with Philip Rivers, who needs to be accurate to be effective. He is not accurate this season, and therefore not effective, so the team can not "start" and can not put itself in a position to win.
If you'd rather not blame Rivers, you can blame health. Kris Dielman missed this game, Marcus McNeill left with a neck stinger and Louis Vasquez left with an ankle injury. The remaining 40% of the line couldn't keep the Raiders pass-rush off of Philip, resulting in many of those inaccurate Rivers penalties. However, then you have to ask why the Chargers always seem to be fielding a roster full of backups due to injury. Why can't this team ever have a streak of good health?
The "Fire Norv" bandwagon is gaining steam tonight, as it should. Whether or not it's his fault, the players have seemingly lost faith in him and his system. Did anyone seem to be actually trying tonight besides Mike Tolbert (12 touches) and Ryan Mathews (9 touches)? I guess Vincent Brown was playing his heart out, but Vincent Jackson seemed content to wait for passes to hit him in the stomach rather than actually trying to catch them himself.
The defense certainly seemed to be trying, but they also looked like a toy that the Raiders were playing with. Oakland knew exactly where the soft spot would be on every play and exploited it, only partially because of the weak pass rush by San Diego. Michael Bush having 240+ yards is an occurrence that not many defenses around the league could imagine happening, even if he is a very good backup RB.
This roster lacks depth, and also lacks players that can stay healthy. The offense lacks any semblance of heart, a gameplan or fundamentals. Why weren't they running up to the line to spike the ball on the final drive? Why did Norv call for a 50 yard pass on 2nd & 1 when his offensive line was decimated? Where were the screen plays to fight the pass rush? Or even quick passes? Why were there 14 total rushes when both Mathews and Tolbert were having success? There seemed to be a lack of leadership on offense, defense and on the sideline.
I like Norv. I respect Norv. I wish him plenty of success in his career, but at this moment it's difficult for me to root for anything but more Chargers losses to ensure that this team will be better coached in the future. It may not be his fault, but part of the job of the Head Coach is to take the blame when the team plays without heart, fundamentals or toughness. Maybe he can fix whatever is wrong in the next 10 days.
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It is what it is.
The team is splintering and there’s no one to hold everything together. Good!Rivers covered up a lot of this team’s deficiencies.
by riversonfire on Nov 10, 2011 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
yeah we suck
our O and D lines got rolled.
I can’t understand how the raiders lines play so well against us, but not the rest of the league.
by Norcal Boltfan on Nov 10, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
THIS
it’s difficult for me to root for anything but more Chargers losses to ensure that this team will be better coached in the future.
Rebuilding starts at the top but if AJ won’t fire Norv, will AJ be fired?
I don’t know if this is rock bottom (it could come in the next game if Cutler is made to look like Brady and Rivers is continually a ragdoll for the D) but it feels like it in more ways than one.
I don't think AJ is necessarily tied to Norv
They could both go, but I could also see them getting rid of Norv and letting Smith finish out his contract in the name of continuity.
No but you know the Lord of No Rings
and his staunch defense of Norv. To any extent change is beyond needed, it’s necessary.
by riversonfire on Nov 10, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
So let this marinate in your brains for the next 10 days
Julius Peppers. Against Dombrowski. On the Road.
Oh joy…
I'm already puking at the sight of Cutler basking in his glory/Rivers eating turf all game long.
by riversonfire on Nov 10, 2011 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Every QB has a few bad years in his career.
Cutler has had more than a few.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
Not elite QB's by the numbers.
Elite’s have bad games but not years, show me a down year statistically by Brady, Manning, Brees, Big Ben ETC… Character and moxie keep them from having a bad year, the team my fail to win the big game but they rarely miss the dance.
Big Ben is not an elite QB... and he is certainly not better then Rivers
But to answer your question, Roethlisberger had bad years in 2006-07 (18 touchdowns, 23 interceptions) and 2008-09 (17 touchdowns, 15 interceptions).
There are only three QB’s we can call ‘elite’ in the NFL (Manning, Brady, Brees)… but I think everyone thought two QB’s would take the step into that category this year (Rodgers, Rivers)… Sadly only one has
…The wrong one in our case :(
Im from Canada, eh
by jordanmowbray on Nov 10, 2011 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
Drew Brees had 22 INTs last season
He was still effective though but this is a lot of INTs
You don't recall Brees' and Roethlisberger's bad years? Hell, most of Roethlisberger's have been less than great.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 13, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Rivers better get his Will updated before he faces Peppers.
by AirCoryell74 on Nov 11, 2011 6:57 AM PST up reply actions
AJ must go.
he made this mess.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
by podpeople on Nov 10, 2011 9:36 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Overreaction. They went too all-in trying to "win now" and are left needing to rebuild.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 13, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
now that a new coach seems to be on minds
Who are the options? I know everyone and their sister wants cowher gruden and vince lombardi, but what are the realistic options that can actually do some good work with this bunch. What about Chud?
No to Cowher, Gruden, Dungy, etc
but you’re right- who else? It takes a knowledgeable, savvy upper management and owner to be able to sniff out a good potential HC in a sea of offensive/defensive coordinators and assistant coaches. That’s something this organization doesn’t seem to have.
by riversonfire on Nov 10, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
realistically, what smart Coach would want to take this team on, its at least three years from being what it once was. The Oline needs to be completely changed. The defense is has way too many holes. this is a big challenge to step into.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
not really.
as long as we have rivers we will be competitive. You act like this team 0-9. If coaches are willing to take over teams like the lions and bucaneers when they were absolutely horrible then im sure somebody will have no problem trying to turn a team with rivers, gates , and vjax.
you may be right,
however, Gates is on his last legs. Vjax looks like he has no interest in playing for the Chargers any longer, and Rivers needs a new Oline if he’s going to be consistent.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
If finaly met the fairweather fan of all!!!
And it is you madam, or sir, can’t tell by the avatar, sorry!
4 offensive lineman starters got hurt this month
Gates is playing through pain
Vjax not interested? Is this the same guy that caught 3 Touchdowns and 141 yards just five days ago, the same guy that was double or triple teamed all night last night by the Raiders? Yikes!!! Jump on the Green Bay bandwagon already!!
Jeremy Beckett
by JeremyBeckett on Nov 11, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
If only we had Jim Schwartz or Raheem Morris
:(
Im from Canada, eh
by jordanmowbray on Nov 10, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I was at the game… up close and personal. Rivers is a great QB. But unless he’s a vegetarian, the grass diet did him no good. You are misguided at best (ignorant at worst) to expect different results if he isn’t afforded the protection he needs to be successful.
by fredwilliams on Nov 12, 2011 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
There would still be candidates lined up around the block
There’s only 32 of these jobs in the world. Major pay and prestige, a chance to prove how smart you are as a coach, plus they get to live in San Diego.
Most new hires know that they are stepping into bad situations, otherwise the job wouldn’t be open in the first place, and this would be better than most.
whoever it is that is hired to coach the Chargers
has to make sure that he hires some coordinators that want to stick around to win a championship. An issue that was brought up a few days ago was that the Chargers are like a carrousel for coordinators. they coach here for a few years and then get hired as head coaches elsewhere.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
Unfortunately
That’s the price of success in this league. With a few exceptions like Dick Lebeau or Jim Johnson, every coordinator in the league is hoping to move up to head coach.
bring back Marty-ball
just kidding….. or am i?
Im from Canada, eh
by jordanmowbray on Nov 10, 2011 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
I knew he'd finally do it one day
Im from Canada, eh
by jordanmowbray on Nov 10, 2011 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
There are more than two coaches in the world.
I’d like to never again hear the names Marty or Norv.
no Marty Morhinweg?
Im from Canada, eh
by jordanmowbray on Nov 10, 2011 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
this post lists most of the current guys people think of
Cant say there is one that jumps out at me.
Of course I would most likely be wrong anyway.
by Norcal Boltfan on Nov 10, 2011 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Well from the list it looks like the thing to do is hire a young OC from some crappy team and we’ll be SB bound!
Brian Billick
BB Arrogance + AJ’s Ego = Superbowl ???
Nah plus his D coord won him that SB
by Norcal Boltfan on Nov 10, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
BB Arrogance + AJ Ego = Complete (Further?) Destruction of the Charger Organization and a move to Los Angeles
Im from Canada, eh
by jordanmowbray on Nov 10, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
I wrote an article on this a few weeks ago
and settled on Rich Bissacia being the best candidate.
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
by John Gennaro on Nov 10, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
I kind of like Chud more.
He’s got more of a history with this team.
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"You say you're nasty pirates,
scheming, thieving, bad bushwackers?
From what I've seen I tell you
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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 11, 2011 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
I tend to agree with Zach if we're going with someone who has been with the team before.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 13, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
I'll preface by saying
I’m not really on the “fire Norv” bandwagon. But after that game last night, I’m starting to lean that way. I think he gets a lot of blame and not a lot of credit for what we do well.
That said, if I got a vote, I’d say Zimmer from the Bengals might be a good choice. I agree with the idea that going defense might be the better move.
Now, I’m half joking with this, but if the criticism is that we’re “too soft” then maybe… Tom Cable? Him punching people might toughen us up.
by SuperSalami on Nov 11, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I suspect AJ would want to keep as much continuity as possible
Just so the personnel wouldn’t need to be overhauled by a new system. With that in mind, Chud is a possibility. So is Wade Phillips (I know he failed in Dallas, and I’m not advocating, just mentioning). There could even be an “In house” promotion, although realistically the only one I think would deserve it might be Rick Bisaccia and there is big stigma about hiring special teams coaches, even though Belichick and John Harbaugh have done just fine, so that might change. I could also see the chargers Raiding the Raiders and taking Al Saunders (Thier Offensive Coordinator).
by Ferguson1015 on Nov 11, 2011 7:12 AM PST up reply actions
Not all continuity is good, it's a double edge sword. the Chargers need a "Change".
Because quite simply, it’s "continuity " that’s gotten the Chargers here.> 4-5, with plenty of football left to play…
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
My thoughts
*What is VJ’s problem that he can’t raise his arms more than stomach high?
*Screen plays weren’t the way to fight this pass rush, as it was mostly 4 man rushes. Screens don’t work so hot against a 4 man rush with man/zone behind. The two screen passes I saw called were blown up at the outset. On one of them, the lineman (Green I think), stood there as Curry ran past and smashed the RB. On the other, Rivers threw the ball about a second too early, at the ground, cuz he had happy feet. I don’t think I’ve seen one screenwork in the last 4-5 weeks. There is something that teams are keying on that is giving away the screen.
*The defensive line looks like a bunch of really average guys trying a bunch of fancy stunts and penetrate stuff, and all the Raiders did was run high school plays in the holes that were left behind.
Im curious what the consensus is around here:
Offensive-minded Head Coach OR Defensive-minded Head Coach?
Im from Canada, eh
Couldn't agree more
Offensive-minded coaches should be out the question. Rivers is clearly a better player then what he’s shown this year and needs a change. A defensive-minded coach would be the best option, and would hopefully help fix this constantly ‘soft’ defense we’ve seen the past years
Preferably: Dom Capers, Chuck Pagano, Mike Zimmer, Todd Bowles
Im from Canada, eh
by jordanmowbray on Nov 10, 2011 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Dom Capers is like a thousand years old
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
by John Gennaro on Nov 10, 2011 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
True, he is like 61 years old, and he would immediately become the second oldest coach in the league (after Tom Coughlin), but what’s saying he doesn’t coach as long as Joe Gibbs did? He’s done well enough the past few years to deserves another chance.
For the record, my list wasn’t in any particular order. I still have Mike Zimmer and Chuck Pagano as my number one and two, respectively
Im from Canada, eh
by jordanmowbray on Nov 10, 2011 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention Capers has failed in the past as a head coach.
A pirate I was meant to be!
"You say you're nasty pirates,
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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 11, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
Remember Capers only had expansion teams
He also took one of those expansion teams to the NFC Championship game which isn’t too bad really.
In the other case, the Texans, no other coach that they have had since him have really done a much better job either.
by PackApologist on Nov 11, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Defensive minded HC would be a nice change
as long as Rivers can shake off whatever has inflicted him this season and return to form.
I am going to speak like we have plans to change coaches from now on
I would like a defensive minded HC…that somehow brings an innovative offensive coordinator…is that too much to ask
by Gorditoe1 on Nov 10, 2011 10:05 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
that sounds phenomenal!
sign me up
Im from Canada, eh
by jordanmowbray on Nov 10, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
No coach game plans for losing 3 OL in a game...
That said, how could it take Norv 4½ series to figure out that a) Dombo needed help, or b) we needed to go to a 3-5 step drop passing game. Reminds me of this scene in Casino:
Ace Rothstein: Ward, you’re pissing me off. Now you’re insulting my intelligence; what you think I am, a idiot? You know damn well that someone had to get into those machines and set those reels. The probability of one four-reel machine is a million and a half to one; the probability of three machines in a row; it’s in the billions! It cannot happen, would not happen, what’s the matter with you? Didn’t you see you were being set up on the second win?
Don Ward: I really think…
Ace Rothstein: Wait! You didn’t see that you were being set up on the second win? (edited for language)
"Egad!" Wile E. Coyote.
by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Nov 10, 2011 10:06 PM PST reply actions
We had issues before injuries
2nd, 3rd string with a QB fresh off the couch punched our Bolts in the mouth at home with first place on the line. Can it get any worse?
I'm amused by most of the Raider fans' reaction to this game
Clearly they do not understand how bad of a team we really are. Oh well if they do win the division they’ll realize how meaningless it is when they lose in the first round of the playoffs.
seriously
they think there defense has turned it around… Do they not realize we were missing 3 lineman?
And like you said…. we were a bad mediocre team to begin with… Whatever afc west is awful this year.
by Michaelt817 on Nov 10, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Their Defense did what was expected to an injured OL.
I believe 6 sacks was the stat…
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
They just got crushed at home by the Chiefs and Broncos
And now their in first place. If I was them I’d be ecstatic too.
I think Raider fans understand. What you’re not thinking is they just lost their starting QB. A couple losses after that can be expected. What if Rivers was knocked out for the season?
Getting back to real life, here’s a worse scenario to ponder: Rivers might go to the same playbook as Carson. I’d demand a trade and/or sit out next season with the direction this team is going. How about you?
by fredwilliams on Nov 12, 2011 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
What about Jerry Sandusky? I heard he's available.
by sdvip on Nov 10, 2011 10:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I’ve only heard good things
Im from Canada, eh
by jordanmowbray on Nov 10, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
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by John Gennaro on Nov 10, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
And has been for 20+ years
The right joke to go with was “What about Joe Pa? I heard he’s available”. More timely.
John, excellently put.
This team has no determination to win at the next level is the feeling. I live outside of Cali, stationed around the world for the past 14 years. I can tell you that most fans do not accept this BS. I believe we have been more than patient with the weekly excuses. It just isn’t happening. Team has fallen off. This is not the pro-bowl team some want to paint them to be.
"Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth" - Kenny Powers
by A.J. G on Nov 10, 2011 10:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more
All this team’s determination and grit left with Marty
Im from Canada, eh
by jordanmowbray on Nov 10, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wish Harbaugh hadn't taken the Niners job
He would have been a great hire.
I just hope we don’t go the whole retread route again at HC.
by SDBear on Nov 10, 2011 10:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Jeff Fisher!
Oh, wait… You said “no” to the retread? Damn…
by Andy (allfield) on Nov 10, 2011 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Jeff Fisher might be the only retread worth
Giving another chance to.
I really am not a fan of Dom Capers, he’s in the Norv Turner category of really good coordinator, bad head coach.
by SDBear on Nov 10, 2011 11:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I hate Jeff Fisher.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 13, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
John's absolutely right; they're just not very good
But the good news is that I learned two rules I was unaware of:
- There’s no PI on a fake punt
- An out-of-bounds defender touching the ball can negate a TD
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
nothing is more important than education
… even a win
Im from Canada, eh
by jordanmowbray on Nov 10, 2011 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
That's true
And the Chargers got schooled tonight
So I guess this means the Phillies making it past the 1st round of the 2010 post season was a fluke.
by Goofus on Nov 10, 2011 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

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by Natrone Means Business on Nov 11, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
The Norvication of the Chargers is complete
however, Spanos will blame injuries
and Norv / AJ will be back next year
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
This team is so soft and weak
Norv Turner, Dolt Up!
by SDBear on Nov 10, 2011 11:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This^
The Nine Lives of Norv the Cat. Always an excuse…
by Andy (allfield) on Nov 11, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
I still think the current state of the team is more Smith's fault than Turner's.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 13, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
We're 4-5 with plenty of football left to play...
and at least in second place.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
I agree...and
a win is a win
this is the best start ever
hey, we have a winning record, last time I checked
well…we are still in first place
oh…wait
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
Stinking
You can try and take good things away from this loss but there are none. Starts at the top you can not win in the NFL with a incomplete pass on first down and a 1 yard run on second down the play calling is terrible. The O line is terrible does not matter who is in there cant run block cant pass block. Rivers is AWFUL AWFUL AWFUl I dont care how many times he got hit you there is plenty of time for a 3 step drop and release and he cant even do that. What is Manusky thinking on defense those 2 screen plays were devastating. So what Barnes and Laboy made one play each the defense seemed confused at times and let a rookie receiver and a 245 lb RB school them it is embarassing. Being a chargers fan has become like being a mets fan dont want anyone knowing I am a fan and am losing interest in even watching it is painful. AJ, Norv Manusky all need to go. Going to be a long time until they are back to the team Marty put together.
More Stinking
With 5 minutes left all they had to was drive down and tie the game and on 3rd and 8 rivers throws it into the end zone Brown made a nice catch and to bad it was over ruled but why did he throw it up when he had a clear first down throw right in front of him pour decision first downs is what he should be thinking there. The only thing I will say is that no team should have to play 3 games in a 11 day span what the hell is the NFL thinking. More penalties also friggin joke. They will be lucky to win another game this year they have a brutal schedule left. I know one thing I am done wasting my time watching and routing for a team and coaching staff and organazation that just breaks my heart every year. Spanos family wake up it is time for a change.
even more stinking
I can go on all day. How about the D line getting blown off the ball seems they were 4 or 5 yards down field as soon as the ball was snapped what are we going to blame the youth of the guys the lack of padded practices looks like Liguet is another bust another wasted pick if I think about the guys that where available even the year before with larry english what the heck is AJ thinking. And stop defending rivers all you fans he is AWFUL pour decison maker and not a motivator he is no DREW BREES that is for sure.
Sigh
“I hope everyone believes me now when I say that the 2011 San Diego Chargers are just not a good team.”
Ok, I have officially been converted… Losing to the Raiders is unforgivable. Always. They looked very mediocre out there.
I suspect they didn’t run the ball because they were behind and they needed to catch up in a hurry. Also, the fact that the Offensive line was decimated probably helped this trend along. Norv probably didn’t trust their discipline enough to execute the complex series of blocks that constitute run blocking, and rather trusted that Phillip would fling the ball out to the flat instead (Martz style offense). If you notice, once the offensive line started going down, there was a safety outlet receiver on just about every single passing play.
“but Vincent Jackson seemed content to wait for passes to hit him in the stomach rather than actually trying to catch them himself.”
This. Vincent Jackson is moving at half-kilter in most of the games this season. His few flashes just show us what he is capable of when he tries, but just makes it even more painful.
“Why weren’t they running up to the line to spike the ball on the final drive?”
This has been happening for quite a few weeks now (I’m looking at you Jets game). Why?!?
Also,
There apparently was another stabbing, John you proved prophetic.
by Ferguson1015 on Nov 11, 2011 7:26 AM PST up reply actions
I am not going to complain about Luis Castillo ever again.
We seriously need him back.
by SoundLogic on Nov 11, 2011 7:30 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Another convert!
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Nov 13, 2011 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
look
as bad as sd is right now 8-8 wins the divison what might happhed is a 3-way-tie at 7-8 between OAK SD and DEN with KC at 6-9 and if u make the playoffs norv stays
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