Take Two: The San Diego Chargers Will Lose to the Kansas City Chiefs
by John Gennaro on Oct 28, 2011 11:50 AM PDT
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The last time the San Diego Chargers took on the Kansas City Chiefs was the first time I wrote a post about the Chargers losing the game. A lot of people were wondering if I was sincere or not, but missed the point. The title of these posts don't really matter, I'm not actually calling my shot that San Diego will lose the game. The point of these posts is to point out that I have zero confidence in the Chargers to win the upcoming game, because they're much more likely to shoot themselves in the foot than they are to play their best.
Are the Chargers a more talented team than the Chiefs? Absolutely. Philip Rivers is a better QB than Matt Cassel when he's not in a funk of turning the ball over. Ryan Mathews and Mike Tolbert are better than Jackie Battle and Dexter McCluster when they're not fumbling the ball. Antonio Gates and Vincent Jackson are better than any pair of receivers on the Chiefs when they're healthy. Shaun Phillips is probably better than Tamba Hali.
Unfortunately, none of those ratings actually matter. What matters is coaching, which team has the best game plan on both sides of the ball, and playing mistake-free football. The Chargers have won the turnover battle just once this year, against the Miami Dolphins, while the Chiefs haven't lost a turnover battle since Week 2. Want to know how a team as decimated-by-injuries as the Chiefs can go on a 3 game winning streak? They've learned how to eliminate mistakes.
Eliminating mistakes and capitalizing on mistakes by your opponents is how good teams beat bad teams and how mediocre teams finish 8-8 instead of 4-12. For all of the stupid criticisms I've heard about Norv Turner since he took over for Marty Schottenheimer, I've never seen or heard anyone bring up the most glaring stat of his Chargers tenure....so allow me:
| Team Record | Turnover Battle | Turnover Margin | Turnover Margin Ranking | |
| 2006 | 14-2 | 11-2-3 | +13 | 3rd |
| 2007 | 11-5 | 10-5-1 | +24 | 1st |
| 2008 | 8-8 | 6-5-5 | +4 | 11th |
| 2009 | 13-3 | 8-7-1 | +8 | 6th |
| 2010 | 9-7 | 5-10-1 | -6 | 23rd |
| 2011 | 4-2 | 1-4-1 | -5 | 26th |
I don't know about you, but that chart scares the heck out of me as a Chargers fan. The Bolts are on pace to win the turnover battle 2.66 times this season. Maybe I'm looking at this wrong though. Let's just look at how San Diego did in the turnover battle for the first 6 games of each season:
2006: 5-1
2007: 3-3
2008: 2-0-4
2009: 3-2-2
2010: 2-4
2011: 1-4-1
There you go, Norv haters. You want to argue that he's worse than Marty Schottenheimer? Argue that the turnover margin has dropped to such a ridiculous point since Turner took over that the team can't possible compete with the Patriots, Steelers and Jets of the world. Even the A.J. Smith haters could use that stat to argue that his poor drafting has led to a team that can not hold onto the ball or create turnovers.
This is why I keep saying that the 2011 Chargers are exactly the same as the 2010 Chargers. Six games into the season, both teams had lost the turnover battle four times. They are losing the turnover battle 66.7% of the time, and not necessarily winning it the over 33.3%. To expect to win more than 50% of your games with trends like that is absurd. Talented team or not, and who knows by this point, the San Diego Chargers are going absolutely nowhere until someone figures out how to start winning the turnover battle.
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2007 was a fun year for turnovers….
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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by Superduperboltman on Oct 28, 2011 11:51 AM PDT reply actions
Top 4 in turnovers for SD that year
Cromartie – 10
Hart – 5
Phillips – 5
Cooper – 5
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by John Gennaro on Oct 28, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Cromartie scored 3 TDs that year
1 off INT, 1 off Fumble Recovery and 1 from the FG return. He had as many TDs as Vincent Jackson and 2 more than Michael Turner.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 28, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It's funny how hated Cottrell is
but he turned that into one stingy defense, at least for about half a season.
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by Cake or Death on Oct 28, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He's done the same thing everywhere
He always has about one good season before things go bad quickly.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 28, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
That 2007 turnover mark wasn't his creation
nor was it sustainable.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 28, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've started to look forward to this post
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
How sick is that?
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Oct 28, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
When John finally calls it "The San Diego Chargers Will Lose To The San Diego Chargers"
I will know, by jove, that he has got it.
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by The Land Of Real Beer on Oct 28, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
This^
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
by SDNativeinTX on Oct 28, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Randy McMichael can do a guest column
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by Cake or Death on Oct 28, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
One stat that has almost the same correlation
Quarterback Pressures. It may look like last year the Chargers got a lot of pressure, but look again at the amount of sacks that we got for each game. Not to mention the fact that QB Hurries are still very low last year.
At least that is what it has looked like.
by Ferguson1015 on Oct 28, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
This is one of the things FBO pointed out
when they explained why we weren’t projected to have a great pass rush, despite sack numbers from last year. There weren’t many hits or pressures to go along with the sacks, and that chunks of our sacks came from unlikely sources (like Antonio Garay).
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 28, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe we shouldn't look over talent cuz they've been in trouble before...
I mean if it’s like Adam Jones trouble yeah,but if it’s not then we should draft or pick up via free agency a talented individual….those are my 2 cents…
Tamba Hali > Shaun Phillips
Dwayne Bowe and a healthy Tony Moeaki > Antonio Gates and Vincent Jackson
and now everyone knows you're a Chiefs fan.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 28, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
and a not-so-smart one at that...
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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by Superduperboltman on Oct 28, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think that's too far off.
Hali is definitely better then Phillips and you don’t need to be a Chiefs fan to see that. As far as the receiver debate I think depends who’s throwing the ball. If I had Rivers as my QB I’d take Bowe and Moeaki over Gates and Jackson. Gates is always injured and Jackson is a product of Rivers talent whereas Bowe has been one of the most dominant WRs in the NFL over the last two seasons even with noodle-arm Cassel throwing the ball.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 28, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
He's on IR from a freak injury.
He’s not on the injury report every week for the last couple of seasons leaving his fans, teamates and coaching staff wondering if he can play or if he’s going to reaggravate his injury.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 28, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
That's fair
I find myself wondering when he’s just gonna come out with it and say hes done…as far as Bowe I wish we would’ve gotten that guy instead of busta buss Davis we coulda moved up a couple spots….VJ is better than him though
Obviously I'm a KC Homer
But if you’ve watched Bowe week-in and week-out, you’d see that he’s become one of the top-5 WRs in the entire league over the past two years. He lacks recognition because of where he plays & who’s throwing him the ball.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
A Rivers/Bowe combo would be ridiculously scary.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 28, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if the personalities weren't so horribly matched.
To be honest, I think Cassel/Bowe is a much better combo than Rivers/Bowe would be.
It’s not because of talent, but more to do with the fact that Cassel’s personality meshes with Bowe’s a whole lot better. Bowe has shown in his time here that he is somewhat of a diva. While he is able to temper it a bit for Haley, I just get the feeling he wouldn’t be as forgiving of his QB blowing up on him. Cassel knows when to try to fire guys up, or when to call them out, and so he gets the best out of Bowe.
Rivers is notorious for throwing temper tantrums on the field, and somehow, I just don’t think that Bowe would respond the same way.
Talent-wise, Rivers/Bowe looks much better. But overall, if I had to pick one, I would have to say I prefer Cassel/Bowe
Rivers has never "blown up" on a receiver
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by John Gennaro on Oct 28, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe not a receiver specifically
But there were plenty of shots of Rivers blowing up at his entire offense during the MNF game last year, and everything I’ve read seems to indicate that wasn’t an isolated occurence.
I'm not sure you know what "blowing up" means.
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This phrase you keep using... I don't think it means what you think it means.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 30, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you read his name as "missed the brain"
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by The Land Of Real Beer on Oct 31, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Good QB + Good WR > Bad QB + Good WR
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by Richard Wade on Oct 30, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Over all talent wise...
Chargers are better, but please don’t say Jackson is better than Bowe.. Do you Have numbers that support that? And Hali is better than Phillips… Numbers back it up.
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Oct 28, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Well Phillips has had more sacks and tackles than Hali over the last 5 years. Tamba is probably a little better at rushing the passer but SP is a better all-around player.
Hali has only been used properly over the last 3 seasons.
Going back 5 years to justify a current argument about someone now is hardly an accurate way to do things. Over the past two to three seasons Hali and Ware have been the two most dominant pass rushing OLBs in the league and the difference between Hali and Phillips really isn’t close.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 28, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
In his position I’d take an elite pass rusher, well above average run defender and satisfactory pass coverage guy over what Phillips offers. Especially when he spends 80+% of his snaps going after the QB.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 28, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there anything that would support Bowe being better than Jackson
Jackson has always provided more value per target than Bowe. I don’t want to get into a pissing war over who is better, but the idea that there are any numbers that measure value that come out in Bowe’s favor is laughable.
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Alright here is numbers.. I didn't want to get into one either
but your laughable line did it for me.
Receptions:
Bowe 308
Jackson 236
Yards:
Bowe 4264
Jackson 4071
Touchdowns:
Bowe 35
Jackson 31
Longest:
Bowe 75
Jackson 60
Average:
Bowe 14
Jackson 17.2
Bowe 5 years In the league, Jackson 7(these stats include 2011)
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Oct 28, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Even just looking at this year, Bowe is better
But Jackson is pretty good too
Bowe 29 rec for 496, 4 TD
VJ 24 rec for 423, 3 TD
I’d call it fairly even
Oh and your argument about per catch is correct.. 3.2 yard better average
but that’s it.. And you have to take in to consideration the Matt Cassel effect.
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Oct 28, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not speaking to VJ vs Bowe
…but what stats would you use to judge WR’s?
(Especially that Bowe has had some horrible QB’s throwing to him and VJ had Rivers)
by craig in calgary on Oct 28, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok guys
I’ll try to keep this short and point out statistics that have more of a definitive analysis of a players performance besides Yards and Touchdowns.
Football Outsiders is a great resource and they publish a statistic called DVOA. (More info can be found here):
DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. DVOA breaks down every single play of the NFL season to see how much success offensive players achieved in each specific situation compared to the league average in that situation, adjusted for the strength of the opponent.
-2011: Bowe’s DVOA is 15.1%. Jackson’s is 14%. This puts them at 31 and 32 in the league respectively.
-2010: Bowe’s DVOA is 11.9% which puts him at 18th in the league. Jackson only played 5 games in 2010, but still put up a DVOA of 38.7%.
-2009: Bowe’s DVOA is -4.4% which is 53rd in the league. Jackson’s is 38.7% which is 2nd.
-2008: Bowe’s DVOA is -10.3% which is 66th in the league. Jackson’s is 32.9% which is 2nd again.
As you can see, every season aside from 2011(where Bowe has Jackson beat by the narrowest of margins) Vincent Jackson has clearly performed better than Dwayne Bowe.
by sdpads24 on Oct 28, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
ok.. that does not amount to more that production.. which stats support..
Way to do some digging thought o back up your opinion. Production equals stats my friend.
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Oct 29, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
If anything I think DVOA undervalues Bowe.
I don’t like comparing players with stats like that though because both teams offenses are so different. Bowe probably fits better on the chiefs offense and Jackson probably fits better with the Chargers. I just wanted to point out that given their opportunities, Jackson has been the better performer.
You were shown to be wrong. Accept it and move on.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 30, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Or you could use good stats like DVOA and DYAR.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 30, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
One can make the argument that...
Hali is a better pass-rusher, but Phillips is better at everything else.
Really the argument is pointless considering it's comparing applese to oranges.
They don’t even play the same position.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 28, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Ummm
What?
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by John Gennaro on Oct 28, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
SOLB vs WOLB?
Pretty significant difference.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 28, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
they both play both sides
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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by Superduperboltman on Oct 29, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Not quite.
Hali is a WOLB and the only time he occasionally gets moved around for matchup reasons is on obvious passing downs.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 29, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
You can also argue that Rivers is a better passer than Cassel,
but Cassel is better at everything else.
kind of...
not really…but kind of
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Oct 28, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
We are just learning all the possible mistakes that can be made on a football field
Want to know how a team as decimated-by-injuries as the Chiefs can go on a 3 game winning streak? They’ve learned how to eliminate mistakes.
Before we start eliminating them.
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by The Land Of Real Beer on Oct 28, 2011 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This made me chuckle
queen of the rec fairies
although it broke our hearts it did not break our will the herd
It's the Down-Under Mutual Admiration Society
…or DUMAS. Love you guys, just had to take the opportunity.
by Lenny Suckerpunch on Oct 30, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Regarding turnovers
They seem to have fixed the fumbling issue. If only Rivers could protect the ball…
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Waisted talent
The chargers will lose to anyone unless they realize that they have the best receiving corps in the league. No team should be able to guard these guys. When will Norv see this and get the ball to these guys?
by #1chargerfan on Oct 28, 2011 12:32 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
They also have talent in the legs and arms.
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by The Land Of Real Beer on Oct 28, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ahaha, took me a sec but that's a good one
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by Cake or Death on Oct 28, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, you...
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by Richard Wade on Oct 30, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
when Norv benches Rivers and inserts himself at QB
or when they get open. Whichever comes first.
I'm pretty sure Norv wants to get his receivers the ball
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by Cake or Death on Oct 28, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
No, that was in the second half of last week's game.
North Texas REALLY needs a Rubio's franchise.
by SDNativeinTX on Oct 28, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, that's just the state of our defensive line
Tommy Harris there looks like he might be feeling better than most of the DLine.
by Ferguson1015 on Oct 28, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Oct 28, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
monday night = must win
We have a tough stretch of games comming up, so monday night is a must win in order to maintain our slim lead. Lose monday, and the wheels could fall off the wagon.
Coming from a Chiefs fan
The view from the East is exactly the same….more so even. If KC wins it’s a 3-way tie (though I think Oakland is going to fade). If we lose then San Diego will essentially have a 3 game lead with 9 to go….KC won’t be able to make that up without a total collapse by you guys.
Can’t wait for Monday!
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Funny he uses the exact same term "must win" as the Chiefs players have been saying all week
That with the big hole they got into, they look at this like a playoff game, and can’t relax one bit on the pedal.
please oh please don't be a medium...
You’re right though we can’t beat good teams…we have A LOT of good teams to play coming up
I'd say talent makes up 80% of what a team can control.
Maybe 90%. Turning the ball over and creating turnovers are, in my opinion, mostly a product of talent, rather than coaching. Why are they consistently losing the turnover battle? Because Rivers isn’t protecting the ball. Because no one on the team can force a fumble and very few can ever get into good enough position to make an interception, save Eric Weddle, apparently. I don’t think these things are the coaches’ fault. I think they are the product of the players not being good enough.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 28, 2011 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
But
aren’t the coaches involved in helping these guys evolve that natural talent through technique and practice? I mean that’s why coaches get hired for right?….I myself think that it’s a 70-30 split on blame for either side…one game it’s 70 percent the coaches faults then the players and so on…it must be chaos in the locker room when there’s a loss I can only imagine the tension in that place
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 28, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone who's ever played a down of competitive football will tell you that turnovers are more discipline and coaching then anything else.
There are things in the games that players do that they dont realize they are doing that raise/lower the risk of turnovers/penalties etc. It’s up to the coaches to pick out the issues and coach the situation accordingly.
Rivers doesn’t protect the ball? That’s a technique issue not a talent issue. Can’t force a fumble? That’s a technique issue not a talent issue. The defenders aren’t in position to make an interception? Then they likely are out of position, aren’t reading the plays properly or are not properly prepared for the other team. Again all coaching and nothing to do with talent.
Look at the Chiefs? Most turnovers in the first 2 weeks and since then they’ve been one of the best teams in the league and they didn’t get anymore talented in the last few weeks.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 28, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
So the Raiders are one of the best in the league now?
I think they have to play a few more games before that’s proven.
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by Cake or Death on Oct 28, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Best teams in the league in terms of turnovers the last few weeks.
It works better when you read the whole sentence.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 28, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Most turnovers in the first 2 weeks and since then they’ve been one of the best teams in the league and they didn’t get anymore talented in the last few weeks.
That may have been your intention, but it’s not what your grammar conveyed.
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by Cake or Death on Oct 28, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
The subject of the original post is turnovers, the subject of the original comment is turnovers, the subject established in the first 5 words of my reply is clearly turnovers.
Next time maybe I’ll include some pictures and diagrams to be more clear. My bad.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 28, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but for the sake of arguement
The cheifs have played worse teams the last few weeks.
Fumbling the ball and misreading coverages and making bad decisions throwing the ball has little to do with who you're playing.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 28, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it kinda does
If we follow your same logic that coaching can cause turnovers the on the other side teams that are in disaray or have lack of coaching might be less apt to take advantage of said mistakes.
No. It only works the way that supports what he believes independent of facts.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 30, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
People will tell you a lot of things that aren't true if you give them the opportunity.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 30, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I see a a steady pattern in the turnover battle.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Great post
As a Chiefs fan I was stoked when Norv was hired. He is a terrible coach and I am soooo happy that AJ loves him.
The turnover battle is a big deal. The Chargers have been one of the most talented team in the NFL (and by far and away the most talented in AFC West) for the last 5 years and were able to overcome the turnover battle. Talent gap is shrinking…..
Gates healthy days are over
but his healthy days are over. Bowe is better than Jackson anyday. I can break down stats, drops, tds, thrown at/thrown to…if you want. AND Jackson has had the more consistent play out of QB. Phillips is nowhere near Hali’s level and I have stats on that too. I mean I love my team and all but I’ll point out absurd comments like that anyday. I’ll give you that Rivers is far and way better than Cassel. Our CB’s are better though. I mean, don’t just pick and choose whatever you think suits your team.
More read, less weed.
Gates healthy days are over but his healthy days are over.
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by The Land Of Real Beer on Oct 30, 2011 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions
More like late nights
but assume all you want it’s the truth. Gates isn’t going to stay consistently healthy for the rest of his career.
Needs to make sense to be the truth.
You’re only saying what we already know here. The guy lives in cotton wool and has limited impact left. So what, you’re still blustering. Get some sleep.
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by The Land Of Real Beer on Oct 31, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Sadly you're probably right about Gates. Still, when he's on the field injured, he's better than most at the position.
Bowe and Jackson are both very good receivers. Bowe looks a little better if you look at raw stats and Jackson looks a lot better if you look at advanced metrics. However, Jackson has played with a great quarterback and Bowe hasn’t gotten to work with a good one yet, so it’s hard to say definitively who is better.
Phillips is a better all-around player than Hali, but Hali is a better pure pass rusher. That said though they both play both sides of the formation, Phillips spends most of his time on the strong side and Hali most of his on the weak side. Probably a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.
I’m not going to pretend that I’ve paid enough attention to the Chiefs’ corners to compare them to the Chargers’.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 30, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
but who is improving as a player in the nfl? Dwayne Bowe.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
So sick of the "Chiefs played crappy teams" saying
Also, good teams beat the teams they are suppose to beat, a few they aren’t suppose to beat, and win the division games. You can never down a team from winning. The Chiefs beat teams with a combined win total of 5. The Chargers have beat teams with a combined win total of 6—and they have 1 more win than the Chiefs. Also, half of that win total for the Chargers comes from the Chiefs who has won 3 games. That means the Chargers beat 3 teams with a combined win total of 3. I mean it seems like both teams have beat pretty bad teams. So when the Chiefs win this week things will be more clear.
The Chargers have only beat one decent team (the Chiefs) and the Chiefs have only beat one decent team (the Raiders).
Both teams are average at best right now and that’s being generous.
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