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5 Bad Things: SD Chargers at NY Jets

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Philip Rivers
When discussing the Rex Ryan/Norv Turner kerfuffle last week, I made a point in saying that Ryan didn't fit within the Chargers philosophy. Ryan is one to believe that running the ball and defense wins championships. The Chargers, at least in 2007, believed that championships were won by franchise QBs the likes of Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, etc. The best way to get there was to hire a coach known for creating a franchise QB that won championshops.

The problem with building a team around a franchise QB is that the team finds it difficult to win when the QB doesn't play up to his ordinary standards for whatever reason. I've heard people say "With Ryan Mathews playing this way, the Chargers are loaded once again". Yeah, well, Joseph Addai could be having a wonderful year for the Colts, but it wouldn't matter if Peyton Manning and Dallas Clark were hurt. Everyone is under the assumption the Gates is going to get healthy and Rivers is going to "figure it out". Sunday was a big neon sign that he's not there yet.

For proof that Rivers had a bad game, look no further to the other side of the field. Mark Sanchez, often referred to as being a poor NFL QB, finished the game with less turnovers, more touchdown passes, a better completion percentage and just 3 less yards than Rivers.

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Antoine Cason/Greg Manusky
Just about every week, I go over to the blog of the Chargers' upcoming opponent and let that community ask me questions. Here was the very first question and answer on 10/19/2011:

Noble_Lance: I’ve recently kidnapped the entire Jets Coaching Staff and replaced it with me, myself and I. in my stupidity I forgot to ask them what they know about the Chargers, so sitting down with tapes alone in an office I wonder this:

What weaknesses can I take advantage of in the game?
What are the Chargers doing well that I need to take away?

My response:

What weaknesses can I take advantage of in the game?

The Chargers run defense has been pretty shaky, and Antoine Cason has struggled against physical receivers. You could maybe give Shonn Greene and Plaxico Burress a slap on the ass and tell them to go take advantage. That’s how coaching works, right?

Also, tell Sanchez to run if nobody is open. The defense has been gouged by QBs running on broken plays.

 

I'm not posting this back-and-forth to prove that I was right and that I'm brilliant, you already knew that. I'm posting it to point out that the Cason/Burress matchup was a weakness that even a blogger knew to pay attention to, yet Greg Manusky thought it would just work itself out (even after Plaxico caught 2 TDs against Cason). I also thought that it might be a good idea to focus on stopping Shonn Greene (112 rushing yards) and Mark Sanchez (25 rushing yards) on the ground. Why was Manusky playing zone instead?

I don't put Cason's bad performance on him. He's struggled this year, but nobody is great throughout their entire career. He's struggling against physical receivers, which makes some sense considering he broke his hand in training camp. Should the Defensive Coordinator be prepared to give him some help against Burress in the red zone, knowing that? That was one of several coaching fails that lost the Chargers the game.

 

Vincent Jackson
Big time receivers play big in big games, even against big competition. Remember when Rivers and Jackson used to look forward to going up against Champ Bailey? Darrelle Revis might've slept in Jackson's bed the night before just to get used to always being an inch away from him. Jackson couldn't shake him or beat him deep, although the one time he was targeted deep the ball was overthrown by a lot.

If it was just a lack of big stats, Jackson could've stayed off of this list. However, in a critical point in the game, Jackson let a short pass go right through his hands and into the hands of Revis for a 64 yard play the other way and the end of an important drive for San Diego. Anybody else think the Jets bring out the worst in VJax?

 

Penalties
So much for the Chargers being the least penalized team in the league. Against the Jets, the Chargers were penalized 13 times for 95 yards. The Jets got four 1st downs off of San Diego penalties, and most of the Jets' scoring drives were aided by big penalties by the Chargers defensive line and secondary.

 

Norv Turner/2 Minute Drill
If any of you have been to Chargers practice, even in training camp, and paid attention, you would notice that the offense spends and inordinate amount of time practicing the 2-Minute Offense. They do it at least twice per day. They practice it more than they practice the non-2-Minute Offense, it seems. So, between that and Rivers history with late game comebacks (pre-2010), I was fairly confident that the Chargers would at least move the ball downfield when they started on their own 24 yard line with 1 minute and 29 seconds left.

Instead, what I saw, was an 18 yard pass to Antonio Gates that was quickly followed by the team walking up to the line of scrimmage and wasting 30 seconds of precious game time. Where was the fire, the passion, the hope? They looked like a beaten team that didn't even want to play the final few plays, and that's pretty much what happened. A 3 yard pass to Patrick Crayton in the middle of the field was followed by more foot-dragging and a 4 yard pass to Ryan Mathews in the middle of the field. They were giving up.

I barely saw the last two plays. I may have even been outside, chewing on aluminum foil, at that point. I seem to remember El Capitan throwing deep when none of his receivers went deep. Let me repeat that. There were 37 seconds left and the Chargers needed to go 51 yards with no timeouts, and Norv Turner called a play in which none of the receivers went deep. Rivers, apparently realizing how ridiculous that is, threw the ball deep anyway. By the time the last play happened, I was fully on the bandwagon for firing Norv Turner. Maybe that will pass with time, but this time it feels like it won't.

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Another Bad Thing:

We let LT complete his lap of the NFL, he has now beaten every NFL team.

by Orz on Oct 24, 2011 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

not true

He’s scoredagainst every team but his own.
Not beaten. There are still 3 teams I believe he hasn’t beaten: Atl, Min and GB

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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by Superduperboltman on Oct 24, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was on the Jets when they beat Min last year.

And the home of the .... JETS!!!
Now lets get a G-D snack!!!
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by Noble_Lance on Oct 25, 2011 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cason/Manusky

I agree with the sentiment that it is both their faults.

With Cason, how do you not bump Plax at the line. How do you let him just run right by and then try and play catch up? Just confused as to what he was thinking but even more confused how the coaches didn’t see this and at least tell him to play him differently if they aren’t going to make any scheme adjustments.

by BFDC on Oct 24, 2011 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

He tried, but it's not his forte

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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by Superduperboltman on Oct 24, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cason tried to bump him? All I saw was Plax running right by him with zero contact…

by BFDC on Oct 24, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

standing still is trying?

Cason had a good game to me, except when it came close to the end zone he was lost which is due to him just standing there and trying to react to what the receiver is doing. Burress ran to the inside of him always and guess what Cason never even attempted to reroute him which you can’t do by the endzone because you really don’t have time to react there, anywhere else on the field that make work and you can make up your mistakes with speed, but never in the endzone

by john1 on Oct 24, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cason got burned all day and actually got really lucky with a couple overthrows.

Did you not see the play where Plax juked him so bad that Cason fell down? And its not like Plax is a super quick direction changing type of player.

by BFDC on Oct 24, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

um...

that wasn’t on Cason, the whole defense got juked by that play and as I remember Weddle went sliding to the ground when plax put that move on him.

by john1 on Oct 24, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

hmm I’ll have to go back and look. Could have sworn it was Cason at the time.

by BFDC on Oct 24, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Am I Mis-remembering..

Or did Cason have the nerve to get up and celebrate on a couple of plays that the QB/Receiver screwed up as if he made the play?

by UTBoltFan on Oct 24, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jammer did too

Very uncharacteristic of those guys. Must’ve been lots of trash-talking come from Holmes and Burress

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by John Gennaro on Oct 24, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Another angle

Early on, it was obvious that Spikes could not cover Keller one on one, so they have to shift some coverage around to help out there. The Jets actually have a decent number of offensive pass catching weapons between Plax, Moss, #11, and Keller. That turns out to be a lot to cover, especially if you need to keep an eye on Greene/LT/Knight running the ball.

Once the extra DB had to be committed to helping out with Keller, perhaps the CBs and nickel guys were on their own… Not sure if that was the case, but I think I’d rather take my chances with Cason one on one against plax than Spikes one on one against Keller.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 24, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said, even if you don’t want to make scheme adjustments and you’re stuck with leaving Cason 1 on 1, at least tell him to play the guy differently. That is on both the coach and the player and is inexcusable.

by BFDC on Oct 24, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Spikes/Keller matchup confused me

because Butler was playing him really well.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 24, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you mean Holmes and not Moss?
  1. is Jeremy Kerley, who SDSU fans will tell you how dangerous he is. I admit to not having watched Jets games closely, but I’d wager to guess that he’s replacing Mason and is a much more dynamic player than Mason currently is.

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by Wonko on Oct 24, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

yup, holmes… Santonio, Santana, whatever…

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 24, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Burress just abused him off the line.

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by Richard Wade on Oct 24, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

There were about 9 bad things, but I guess focusing on the 5 worst is easier.

Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
Bolts from the Blue

by Superduperboltman on Oct 24, 2011 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

you can post the other 4

that’s where discussion comes in, John follows his title and everybody else can add and subtract to express themselves

by john1 on Oct 24, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

yup

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by John Gennaro on Oct 24, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Norv Turner/2 minute drill

I don’t see how this one is not the same thing as Rivers having a bad day. Norv can’t make Rivers run faster, huddle and run the play, he can call a play and Rivers needs to run it with energy which Philips can be missing this year.

by john1 on Oct 24, 2011 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Nobody went deep on the last play. That's on Norv.

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Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 24, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still believe this and I keep posting it

Rivers asked Norv how much time is left with 11 seconds on the clock, if I was a head coach and my QB asks me what down or how much time is left…I’d get in the game and beat the crap out of him. How the hell is the coach supposed to think when his QB isn’t really following what he’s saying…idc what any coach calls if their QB doesn’t believe in it, he’s not going to execute and Rivers has been Shaky for no reason (maybe there’s one, but we can’t blame protection), so what I don’t get is if he’s not comfortable back there why on earth hasn’t he talked to Norv yet. In a way this can be on Norv for calling plays that his QB is not comfortable with, but I’m sure we all would agree that an Elite QB would make sure he works on these calls to get comfortable

by john1 on Oct 24, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Norv was brought in because he's so good at preparing franchise QB's

Coaching has to take the heat. they practice 2minute drills twice a day. and when it mattered, they fell apart. i’m not going to deflect this on El Captain.
 Just Like PR deflected his responsibility and blamed the ref’s. " ..We knew coming in this was the highest penalizing crew, in the league"… That statement alone sounded like they spent to much focusing on the wrong things.

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Oct 24, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno

but the zebras certainly weren’t the biggest issue.

It’s getting harder to defend Norv.

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by Buck Melanoma on Oct 24, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

In the scheme of things it is minor

But Richard Goodman is on my bad list too. And it is not just Goodman, but returners are bringing that ball out of the end zone way, way too frequently for my taste.

I counted five KRs where Goodman brought it out, and four netted less than 20 yards. And a returning team has a very high risk of blocking penalties. On touch backs you don’t have the risk of penalties. The reward just isn’t there.

Take a knee Goodman!

by Trendsearcher on Oct 24, 2011 11:17 AM PDT reply actions  

well you can mention Patrick Crayton here too

we thought Walter was a bad returner with questionable fair catches. Oh wait can’t it be Norv doing all this yeah it must be.

by john1 on Oct 24, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel that this is an issue league wide, and not just with the Chargers

It’s due to the fact that kickoffs were moved up…I feel returners are returning just about every kickoff in response. I’m sure once people start to realize that it’s not worth returning every kickoff, Goodman (and the rest of the league’s return guys) will start to make better decisions about when to take a knee.

by James Yu on Oct 24, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like the larger number of kickoffs being returned

Is a result of the returners actually getting more space to set up their blockers. More opportunity for big plays.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 24, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well it didn't work last week
More opportunity for big plays.

I’m interested to study that premiss at the end of the season. Are more big plays happening? I don’t think so. It might be kind of hard to prove since they took the wedge out two years ago. It would only be fair to compare this year to last year.

And this year it seems like a lot of teams are creating quasi-wedges by using two blocker tandems . I didn’t see that last year.

by Trendsearcher on Oct 24, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Drew Magary had the stats to back this up on Deadspin a few weeks ago

There’s technically less kick returns this year, but a higher percentage of them are being returned for big yards and TDs.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 24, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

*fewer

One of these days you’ll get it right

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by creanium on Oct 24, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

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by Richard Wade on Oct 24, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

i wish he would stop falling down every time he gets going really fast. He looks like a cartoon character

by BFDC on Oct 24, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your are right - it has to be OK with the coaches

The same coaches a year ago would have been universally against taking out a touch back. Some of those kicks are more than five yards deep!

And they are all kicking to the corners now. Thats is just more hang time to contend with. To me it seems like net feild position (across all KRs) you’re better off to just take the touch backs.
+ save the potential penalties
+ save the potential turn overs
+ save the potential injuries
+ end up with better general feild position.

by Trendsearcher on Oct 24, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

That'd be a new twist

Since he went to prison the first time for self abuse.

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by Wonko on Oct 24, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Oct 24, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

WRs were awful

Rivers deserves a lot of blame for being sloppy with the ball and orchestrating a horrific 2 minute drill, but it was obvious that the WRs got no separation. In fact I think that there is a major need for a shifty slot guy. The Chargers really seem to miss Sprouls and shiftiness.

Gates has no speed anymore. V Jax was overwhelmed (and that is being kind) by Revis and Floyd is a jump ball guy. I don’t know whether it was scheme or lack speed, but the WR core looked painfully slow.

by DKNJ on Oct 24, 2011 11:34 AM PDT reply actions  

yes yes

Next year i think we need to lock down Jackson as he is obviously talented and is having a down year so far (prob just the hamstring). I think we should focus on the offense in the draft—draft Oline early and another WR or TE. I want to score some points! Screw the defense, get us back to being an elite offense.

by chaplinesque on Oct 24, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anybody else notice that Rivers is behind on most of these picks and incompletes?

It seems like most of his passes are behind his receivers. I guess in front is just as bad, but wouldn’t you think that a 50 / 50 type failure mode would be most accurate?

If he had gotten the ball out in front on a few of his completions last week they could have gotten some really big plays.

by Trendsearcher on Oct 24, 2011 11:38 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Definitely. Seemed like VJax had Revis beat to the inside on two of those deep routes, but Rivers didn’t put the ball in the right spot.

by BFDC on Oct 24, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes I noticed

that was my gripe against brees prior to his last season here. He constantly threw behind the reciever and the ball would be deflected for an interception. Then brees would say it wasn’t his fault. So, even thpugh the ball was catchable, it was behind him. I’ve also seen that in other games as well as underthrowing the ball where the reciever (who has his man beat) has to slow down and wait for the ball to arrive. Maybe rivers is sick, he sure isn’t what we’ve seen in the past.

by irishlad on Oct 24, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cason is an “I” guy with a big head, can’t handle success. Crayton is another “I” guy, he should be cut, you don’t win championships with those guys. What does La Boy do for us other than be a guy out there? Not championship players on this squad unfortunately.

by nunz on Oct 24, 2011 11:50 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

you know this, how?

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by creanium on Oct 24, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

these kind of comments questioning the mental makeup of players almost always sound stupid.

by chaplinesque on Oct 24, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Based on what?

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by Richard Wade on Oct 24, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

wish our kicker was also good at tackling

so next time he won’t take himself out for the season.

by James Yu on Oct 24, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you're kicker needs to be a good tackler..

There are much bigger issues with your kicking game, as we found out last season.

by UTBoltFan on Oct 24, 2011 12:40 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Does anyone else find Crayton completely useless?

I think V.Brown should be 3rd. This receiver core needs to be reshuffled from the 3-5th and in my opinion Goodman was a wasted roster space that Tutu would have better filled.

by Harsh_619 on Oct 24, 2011 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

he really hasn't lived up to the promise

of last year.

Crayton looked so good last year before he got hurt. I don’t think anyone (outside of Dallas) expected him to suck this much this year.

Then again, it does seem like all the WRs are having trouble getting open, so perhaps there is something systemic going on?

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 24, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

In previous years I experienced the frustration of seeing a good team lose to bad teams

This year the team actually looks mediocre. I agree about the WR lacking separation—V Jack, Floyd, and Gates injuries have played a role in this. I am disappointed in Crayton not stepping up like last year—does anyone have any idea why? This year really does feel off. Maybe Jackson/Floyd become fully healthy and we go crazy in the second half of the year, but I am not that excited by our prospects when we win the division and go to the playoffs. I am glad that we are no longer labeled the ‘most talented team’ because we haven’t been for some time.

by chaplinesque on Oct 24, 2011 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I didn't watch the game because I had to work...

But while I was on my first 15 I saw the score and it was 21-10 and I thought to myself…“it’s the second half and we’re winning,hell yes we might win after all”….then an hour later some asshole raider fan came up to me saying “que pendejos los Chargers” which in english means how stupid are the Chargers then he relished in telling me how we let them come back (the jets) and how rivers was screwing up and how we’re gonna lose to them next week….He didn’t mention the ass beating they were taking at the hands of the chefs but it really REALLY pissed me off….I know that I’m not adding anything fruitful to the convo but what more can I say? I could be all negative and say we need to fire norv and we need help on D but that was already said and to quote my wife" I’m so over it"…..I don’t know what is wrong with the team but I hope we can fix it before going 4-12…

by Gorditoe1 on Oct 24, 2011 12:55 PM PDT reply actions  

also maybe manusky is what he was in san fran

I really want to watch the game before I say more that way I can get even more mad and have an excuse to drink more beer…

by Gorditoe1 on Oct 24, 2011 1:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I really don't get ppl blaming Manusky after that game

The defense isn’t the reason we lost this game…they didn’t help and they definitely choked in the second half, but they got 2 turnovers in the first half (plus a defensive TD) and the offense couldn’t put the Jets out of the game…

If any of us had heard that we would create 2 turnovers in the game and score a defensive TD before sunday, then I think we probably would have been pretty optimistic…the defense is good enough to win, the offense is the weakness right now.

by jkvandal on Oct 24, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed that the

offense lost the game. But, manusky needs to give up on the 3 man rush/zone coverage. It hasn’t worked.

by irishlad on Oct 24, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

How is it not Manuski's Fault?

When he saw Cason getting abused, who’s call was it to get him some help?. or simply make an adjustment? if i stand corrected, those 3TD’s helped the Jest win that game.
the offense did their part too, that’s why’s it “team sport”. Randy McMicheal said it best"..The Chargers beat the Chargers.." in that game. plenty of blame to spread around.

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Oct 25, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You seem to blame VJ on that pick

but it was a short pass that Rivers had a fair amount of heat on that was thrown behind the WR. Its great to put something on the throw but it has to on target if you do. I don’t think that to many WRs make that catch.

Rivers has been throwing the ball behind his WRs quite a bit this year. I thought that a few weeks ago the ball that went off Crayton for a pick was, while not as poorly thrown as the VJ ball, quite similar.

The defense, specail teams, running game are all playing well enough for the Chargers to be an elite team right now if Rivers steps back up to the Brady/ Rodgers level, I am starting to wonder if it will happen this year.

by JeromeB on Oct 24, 2011 1:16 PM PDT reply actions  

after six games

I’ve gone from wondering to doubting. Everyone has a bad day. But, rivers has had a bad season so far. And, looks the same every week. No improvement whatsoever. none, nada, zilch.

by irishlad on Oct 24, 2011 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Manusky sucks..

49ers Defense is already better without him.

by BOLTUREYE on Oct 24, 2011 3:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Too add

Manusky was all hype and Cason is still getting burnt, it continued from last year. Im so happy we drafted am aggressive corner in Gilchrist. I really miss Rivera’s exotic blitz’s.

by BOLTUREYE on Oct 24, 2011 3:31 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

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