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Chargers Fall to the Jets: Good, Bad, and Ugly

The week leading up to the game was a blast.  Tomlinson and Cromartie facing the Chargers, Rex vs. Norv, and Darrelle Revis practically crying during a radio interview.  Going into this game, I had a hard time finding reasons the Chargers would win, outside of wishful thinking.   With two weeks of preparation and Norv's honor at stake, my hope was this Chargers team would find a way to get the victory.  After jumping out to a quick lead, the Chargers gave me hope.  If only we could win games on hope.

After going into the half 21-10, the Chargers were held scoreless in the second half, while the Jets scored 17 points en route to a 27-21 victory over the bolts. 

Good

Donald Butler - Not only did he have an amazing 37 yard fumble return for a touchdown, but he also lead the team with nine tackles (six solo).  After the touchdown I received a text from my buddy Peter that read... "The Butler did it". 

Quentin Jammer - Five tackles (four solo) and a tackle for loss.  Jammer did a great job limiting Santonio Holmes to only two catches for 24 yards.

Antonio Gates and Randy McMichael - It's obvious that Gates lacks the explosion we have seen in the past, but he did have an impact on the offense.  The two tight ends combined for eight catches, 99 yards, and a touchdown.

Eric Weddle - Six tackles (five solo), a pass defended, and his third interception of the season. 

Star-divide

Bad

Bye week - Two weeks of prep time for this game, only to end up with a loss. 

Defensive line - Shonn Greene has been better of late, but not this good.  20 carries for 112 yards, That is 5.6 yards per attempt, Greene's previous high this season was 4.0 against the Patriots.

Vincent Jackson - I realize he was stranded on Revis Island most of the day, but he was targeted eight times and was only able to come up with one catch for 15 yards. 

Richard Goodman - 15 yard face mask penalty that allowed the Jets to start their drive at the NYJ 48 and his ineffectiveness on kickoffs landed him on this list.  Goodman seems insistent on bringing the ball out in hopes of a big return, but more often than not, the team is starting at or near the 20 yard line despite his efforts.  Of players with ten or more kickoff returns in the NFL, Goodman ranks 16th with a 22.7 average, and a long of 31 yards.

Starting position for the Chargers today after Jets' kickoffs - SD 16, SD 13, SD 27, SD 16, SD 23, SD 24

Ugly

Antoine Cason - I am done making excuses for Cason.  Plaxico Burress has his way with Cason in the red zone, to the tune of three touchdowns.  The last time Burress has multiple touchdowns in a game was 12/29/2007.  The way Cason has played, Marcus Gilchirst could start pushing for starting time sooner rather than later.

Philip Rivers - 16/32 179 TD, 2 INT including a terrible second half.  We can argue those two picks were partly because of the receivers.  How do you defend that last drive?  This is a guy with 14 game winning drives in his career, but today is appeared as though Norv and Rivers didn't know how to run a two minute drill.  This team will go as far as Rivers can take them.  Question of the day... What is wrong with Rivers?

That's the GBU from my end.  Who made your list?

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Philip Rivers for the last… six games. I think he had one game with no INT but he has been unspectacular to say the least. It’s confusing, bewildering and inexplicable. I’m not entirely sure he knows the reason or he’d have fixed it weeks ago. I just hope this doesn’t become a mental plague for him. I think if he somehow just broke out of this slump and went 28/38 for 300+ yds and 3 TDs and just led the team to a triumphant win over a formidable opponent (coughsGREENBAYcoughs) that it would re-energize this entire team.

But then again that’s just wishful thinking.

by riversonfire on Oct 23, 2011 6:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Getting Tired of this?

OK, Rivers had a bad day on his way to becoming just another average QB. OK, rookie mistakes keep happening. OK, our really great looking receivers seem a little lathargic on the road. But tell me this: why did everyone on the planet, except the Chargers coaching staff, notice that Cason was the targeted weakness to be exploited whenever the Jets needed an important play. Cason has known limitations and a little help would seem to be in order. Boltt

by boltt on Oct 23, 2011 6:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

Three TD’s speaks for itself

by Stan Darsh on Oct 23, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why didn’t the DC do something with Cason after the 2nd burnt TD? WTF? We are so lucky that the Raiders got their butts handed to an improving (hint hint) Chiefs team. By the time we face Oakland, they’ll have Palmer ready and maybe McFadden healthier. That just doesn’t bode well for us. This was a winnable game we let go.

by AirCoryell74 on Oct 24, 2011 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's assuming we won't get better

Or are we so pessimistic that we think things won’t change

I hate scooter pie

by Lmbs2slaghtr on Oct 24, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree there also

Two offsides that should have been false starts. And phantom play interference calls.

by Stan Darsh on Oct 23, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was trying to stay away from that one.

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by Steve Adler on Oct 23, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Holmes got a PI called in his favor every time he looked at the ref. VJ, not so much.

BOOM!

by whatsapip on Oct 24, 2011 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

makes me mad just to remember

its always the same crap. Revis, Reed, Polamalu always get away with holding calls or ilegal contact or even PI. the last one on Jammer was absolutely ridiculous. Just look at the last monday night where Revis almost knocked down Brandon Marshall.
they are all good players, they don need to be protected by the officials. or should i say “officials”

by claudiotheophilo on Oct 24, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate being 'that fan' and blame officiating

But damn, this was ridiculous. The game started bad with cheap PIs/Def holdings and just got more pathetic as the game went on.

Though, in the end, the Chargers didn’t do what they needed to, but the refs definitely lent a large helping hand to the Jets.

by bored@work on Oct 24, 2011 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

At 4-2 ?

And during the middle of the season?

I hate scooter pie

by Lmbs2slaghtr on Oct 23, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the Chargers miss the postseason for the second straight year, then you fire him

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by Jonathan Holmes on Oct 23, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still don't think that would do it.

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by Steve Adler on Oct 23, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I, sadly, agree with you on this one

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by njg425 on Oct 23, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it would

You can’t call yourself an “elite team” and not make the postseason twice, which is where the Bolts are quickly heading. I would have liked Norv as an OC, but I don’t think he’s the kind of HC the Chargers need. They need someone who can give the group mental toughness and a swagger that they can beat anyone, no matter the opponent, and to not simply go into rest-mode and avoid blowing a lead. Norv Turner isn’t that kind of coach.

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by Jonathan Holmes on Oct 23, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also

I don’t think the fans would put up with the mediocre playing style much longer ( i.e. more games blacked out in protest)

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by Jonathan Holmes on Oct 23, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who calls this an "elite" team, outside the media?

 I’ve never heard Norv or anyone else on the team call this an “elite team”

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by creanium on Oct 23, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's the problem.

Rex made promises of rings, and got his team within a game of getting there, two years in a row.

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Oct 23, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

really?

We have all-pro caliber guys at QB, WR, and TE. Our OL is very solid with 4 pro-bowlers on it and excellent continuity. We have one of the better RB tandems in the league.

Offensively, there is no question that we have elite level talent. Defensively, we are perhaps closer to mediocre, but the offense screwed the pooch yesterday. The question of why this elite level offensive talent is playing mediocre is valid.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 24, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only the WR is all-pro caliber at the moment.

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by Richard Wade on Oct 24, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

PR and Gates have spent time among the best in the league, I’ll give you that Gates is slipping due to injury and age, but there is really no reason why PR should not still be performing among the best in the league. And the point is that we have these elite level players who are not playing at an elite level. And to say that just because Norv has never claimed they were elite that we shouldn’t be expecting big things from them is a fallacy.

This offense does have elite level talent on it, and the fact that it is not performing that well is an indictment somewhere.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 24, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would AJ have the cajones to fire Norv at the end of the season if the Chargers miss the playoffs?

by AirCoryell74 on Oct 24, 2011 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

That wasn't A.J. Smith. That was Dean Spanos.

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by Richard Wade on Oct 24, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

rec'd

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by Steve Adler on Oct 23, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would put that pass to Jackson on PR

It was behind him. Granted, Jackson could have caught it, but it was a bad pass.

by Its Mikey!! on Oct 24, 2011 6:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cason

Antoine Cason = Elvis "toast"Patterson

by BULLETBAIT on Oct 23, 2011 6:34 PM PDT reply actions  

On the Butler TD, I thought that should have been ruled a pick

It was clear that Keller never had possession of the ball so I don’t know how it can be ruled a fumble.

by SDBear on Oct 23, 2011 6:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I was saying the same thing! I can't wait to look at it later.

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by Steve Adler on Oct 23, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps Norval should lean on the running game a bit more

Until Rivers is able to get out of his slump?

Sadly I trust Mathews and the running game more than I do Rivers right now. Never thought I would have said that at the beginning of the season.

by SDBear on Oct 23, 2011 6:45 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Don't know if you noticed

but the running game wasn’t working reliably today either. I think that the game plan was going to be run heavy, but the Jets were pretty good against the run today.

by jkvandal on Oct 23, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I felt it was working well enough

You have to have patience with the running game and I just feel like Norval really doesn’t have that. That when the game starts getting tight or close Norval will panic and go back to pass, pass, pass.

Also if you noticed, the passing game was even less effective than the running game in the second half. I think Rivers was 1-9 with a pick at one point in the 2nd half! Stick to the running game.

by SDBear on Oct 23, 2011 7:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

okay

it’s like Norv can’t win…when he runs more and it isn’t successful, people say that he needs to go with the strength of the team and that’s the passing game. Then when the run game isn’t working, and he goes to the pass game and it isn’t successful either, people say he should have been more patient and stuck with the run game? 3.8 yards per rush isn’t stellar…although it’s not terrible either.

We’ll look into it for sure for this week’s playbook confidential, just saying there will always be critics.

by jkvandal on Oct 23, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

also

remember there were injuries to both Tolbert and Mathews…again…

by jkvandal on Oct 23, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know we had injuries and they probably factored into it

3.8 yards a carry isn’t terrible.

I agree that Norval should play to his teams strengths on offense. During the last 3-4 years the strength of the offense has been the passing game, however that doesn’t mean the passing game is always the strength in each game. Today our passing game was the weakness by a large margin, playing to the strength of the offense today meant running the ball. Rivers had less than 98 yards passing through three quarters, it took him until the 4th to get 100 yards passing. Clearly the passing game was the weakness by a large margin.

I just feel like good teams, when things aren’t working their way on offense they try to weather the storm by running the ball, getting a few first downs, eating a clock, and not turning the ball over until they can get a TO on defense or the passing game finally starts benefitting from play action.

I just don’t see Norval doing this. His tendency is to pass when it gets close. I would like to see us just run the ball, that helps brings the LBs and safeties up which could help open things up more for Rivers and the passing game.

by SDBear on Oct 23, 2011 7:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

don't worry you guys

the revis tip int changed the whole momentum of the game. it was a very close game, right to the end. you guys know you have a good team and a weak division. i don’t have to tell you that. hopefully we’ll see each other later this year. good luck!

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by rexthejet on Oct 23, 2011 7:16 PM PDT reply actions  

agreed

that INT told us that we were not goin to score anymore this season.
i sure would love to see the jets again in the playoffs.

by claudiotheophilo on Oct 23, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

ugly patrick crayton

cmon man! he looked stupid makin decisions returning punts. fair catch on the 5 yard line? TWICE??

very ugly: 2 min offense. that was embarassing

by claudiotheophilo on Oct 23, 2011 7:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Let's not forget when Crayton got the penalty

For signaling for a fair catch only to start returning it!

Crayton had me wishing for Walters, which is never a good thing.

by SDBear on Oct 23, 2011 8:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bye week

Remember that players now get 4 straight days off during a bye week, so the idea of extra prep time loses some of its luster.

Even before the rule change for bye weeks, NFL teams were only winning about 52% of games coming off a bye week, which is hardly above the statistical average of 50%.

by justincup on Oct 23, 2011 7:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Norv's record was 8-3 after a bye week before this week. FWIW

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by Steve Adler on Oct 23, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT: You sure picked one hell of a week for your fantasy team to show up. smh

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by Steve Adler on Oct 23, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes!

LT to the defense came out talking shit then went right back to the bench with his helmet a towel on his head.
And scared’Cro didn’t get a lucky pick. But he was really happy the first time Cason was burnt for a TD.

by koloco9 on Oct 24, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

I cringed when there was all the talk earlier this year about how we needed to keep Goodman over someone like Walters, ’cuz of the kick return thing (and I guarantee that a guy like Walters would have came in handy today running Welker routes, and I will point to that terrible last drive as an example). With the new rules, returners are getting the ball 5 yds deeper, and I have never seen anything out of Goodman that told me he was a guy that you could trust to get you to the 30 yard line consistently from 8 yards deep in the end zone.
This team would be better served starting at the 20 after every kickoff, given the injury problems and general air of malaise over the return game.

by flounder2 on Oct 23, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

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by Steve Adler on Oct 23, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bad and Ugly

My Sundays after hearing Tom Waddle and others correctly observe that “if you just hang around, the Chargers will find a way to beat themselves.” So f-ing tired of hearing excuses and promises to improve with nothing to show for it. Frequent and crushing mental errors are the only thing this team can lay claim to. Might be best for my sanity and my family if they pack it up and move to LA so I can stop caring so much.

by Lenny Suckerpunch on Oct 23, 2011 8:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Hypothesis I just came up with to soothe myself for the fact that I'll be right back on the wagon this week

There’s an inverse relationship between the mental fortitude a fanbase must show and the mental fortitude the team shows. It takes a lot to be a Chargers fan, also explains why Patriots and Steelers fans are so insufferable. Eagles are the unexplained outlier.

by Lenny Suckerpunch on Oct 23, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

It definitely does take a lot to be a Charger fan

And that is why it will be so much more gratifying when they finally win. Just hoping I live that long, I figure I only have 35 more years.

by bored@work on Oct 24, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also bad

This team cannot make it through a week without at least one key player coming up lame at some point. McNeill neck (?), Tolbert hammy, Mathews thumb, Phillips whatever he did. Even if they came back into the game later, the injuries and nicks never seem to take a week off.

by Lenny Suckerpunch on Oct 23, 2011 9:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Their best record after six games under Turner.

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by Richard Wade on Oct 23, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

But the same old song of slow starts

“At least this time we got some Ws” This is true but the team is not getting better

by Scard on Oct 24, 2011 4:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

The difference is when the season is ending and we usually have to win it all

Instead of 8-8 or 9-7, we have the opportunity to be 10-6 or 11-5 and be competing for a bye even. So yeah, starting 4-2 instead of 2-4 or 3-3 is a big deal.

Though we could still end the same way or lose the AFC west

by Lightning Hobo on Oct 24, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate to make a big deal about the superfluous

but did anyone watch Rivers’ press conference? I’ve only seen the little clips from the website, but he seems completely aloof. Usually he says, “We’ll keep getting better.” This time he says, “It doesn’t matter. We’re 4-2.”

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by Cake or Death on Oct 23, 2011 9:48 PM PDT reply actions  

And that's what he was thinking when he decided not to try to win

And maybe he was afraid of getting another INT and look even worse

by Scard on Oct 24, 2011 4:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is it me

Or does anyone else think PR17 is hiding an injury. He’s never been this off, not even his sophomore year as the starting QB.

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by Jonathan Holmes on Oct 23, 2011 10:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I sure hope so but

even that can’t explain the 2 minute drill. That was just bizarre. Norv didn’t even seem upset about it. His expression was: “Well, good try. What can you do?” He should have been livid.

by Robo65 on Oct 24, 2011 4:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've read something about a bruised sternum?

Maybe it’s like the hip injury that cromarite had a few years ago that seemed to never make it’s way to the injury report?

by Its Mikey!! on Oct 24, 2011 6:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

new playcalling

When the chargers play the jets they should use bryan walters like the patriots use wes welker .The chargers have a problem with delayed blitzes ,and dealing with overload pressures .The jets have no pass rushers so you know they will bring secondary help on blitzes we cant pick them up so why not spread them out instead of max protection for two man routes . A example came when we were backed up at own 6 yard line 7:46 in the third quarter they got kyle wilson lined up on gates jim leonard and brodney pool playing deep eric smith up in the middle donald strickland on right edge when the ball is snapped randy mcmichael slides all the way over and kyle gets a free run we cant even get a good presnap read , we can’t even block it right due to not understanding the look and no reltime adjustment they just focus on getiing the ball to the determined reciever so i say spread it out we can’t pick it up anyway can’t reconize it get the ball out with 5 wr sets the will have adjust

by eric's on Oct 23, 2011 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

maybe thinking ahead

Decent shot we make the playoffs, but what is the point?

I cannot see a Norv team getting past Baltimore, NE or some other solid team when it counts.

PR looked awful. But he looked awful, in my opinion, because no one was open. One can argue, reasonably, that is because of injuries, etc, but does NE’s WR corp look better than ours?

Brady had 327 yards against them, 1 pic, 1 TD. Not a dominant game, but a solid one. Is that because their guys ran better routes? I doubt it. I am guessing BB could find chinks in RR armor than NT cannot.

I am just so tired of watching this team under-perform and play inconsistently. I do believe RR wins a couple of rings for us, or, at least, gives us a lot better shot at it than we have had.

Between having Norv Turner run your football team and having the Padres try to compete with meager resources, it is just brutal being a fan right now. We have had some recent success in both Padres and Chargers, but feel those windows closed (in Padres case) or are closing on the Bolts. And we have squandered some rare talent in the hands of seemingly, solid OC, nice but unable to win the big ones head coach.

Yes, yes, we are still in it. But not seeing much to give me hope that this will be a formidable team when the playoff time comes. Barely beating weak teams and losing to good or decent ones does not cut it.

by jayman66 on Oct 23, 2011 11:43 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm too dismayed

to even offer up much regarding this game.

Cason makes the Sanchez-to-Burress duo look like Montana-to-Rice in points production. Bring on Gilchrist.

Don’t know what to make of PR. If we credit Norv with much of his development, do we also credit him with this regression?

I’d like to thank AJ once again for ignoring the trenches in favor of failed DB’s, MIA pass rushers, & a stud NT to be Jamal’s understudy. Garay won’t last forever & Thomas is just who I said he was going to be.

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by Buck Melanoma on Oct 24, 2011 2:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure a first round draft pick on a defensive lineman

isn’t ignoring the trenches.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 24, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

then again

I think the only reason pass rush didn’t make the bad or ugly list is because no one expects it to be anything else…

We are not getting any decent push. Barnes had a few plays and Phillips can be counted on to eventually make it to the QB if the coverage is very good, but everyone else stinks.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 24, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

One year

One year. Where was the understudy to Jamal while he was still healthy? We got damn lucky with Garay, but don’t confuse Cam Thomas as the heir apparent there. How long have we been looking at Cesaire as a starter? He’s steady but shouldn’t be the starter.

English over Clay Matthews? Sure, there’s no crystal ball but the strength of the program/conference has to be considered. I do believe that AJ has become enamored with himself as the ultimate locator of the diamond-in-the-rough UDFA.

Where is Buster Davis now? How about several of the DBs that AJ has picked over the years? Cason appears to be headed straight into the crapper as well, & not just based upon yesterday’s performance. But wait …. this is about trenches, right?

When you trade away draft picks like they’re marbles for questionable results, you end up with less chances to find the guys you really need. First, second, even third round picks are a valuable commodity.

Continued disregard for an upgrade at ROT? I fully realize that you don’t over-spend for the right side, but c’mon – what has AJ done to address the OL recently until the late rounds? Vasquez was a 3rd, I believe. Before that you’d have to go back to McNeill.

Mathews may well make the difference here & there, but he won’t have the impact that building a stifling defense will. We had LT for what? 9 years? Where are the rings from that run?

Is a high-flying, outscore everybody offense getting built? Must be in stealth mode right now. Defense & attitude is what this club sorely needs. The FO needs to get serious & stop lying around in the sun.

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by Buck Melanoma on Oct 24, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Plus

As a Jets fan attending the game yesterday, I met a few groups of Chargers fans. Very classy, both before and after the game. Talked about the players we have shared and the close calls that both teams have had in the past.

I think you all are lucky to have such a talented team, enjoy watching them because although Rivers seems to be a bit off last few games, he truly is a special player.

Good luck rest of the way, thanks for being good sports this week, and go out and win that division so that we can all meet again in the playoffs.

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by CharlieIsles on Oct 24, 2011 5:07 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Turning point

The 2 second half series that started with the 3 and out to give the Jets the ball at the 49 ( which luckily didn’t end up in points), and then the ridiculous playcalling after the McMichael bomb really pissed me off. The Jets were reeling after the McMichael play, and even 3 runs into the line and then a 35 yard FG would have given us a 7 point lead, took another 2 minutes off the clock, would have taken the already quiet crowd out of the game, and forced a pedestrian Jets offense to drive the length of the field just to tie the game. But Norv runs 1 time and then throws 2 straight passes, the second which Revis picks off and takes inside the 15. Without that series of events the game is over. Within 30 seconds you went from the possibility of a 7 point lead to a 3 point deficit. Classic Charger football. I have been a big supporter in Norv, but a game like this finally has me believing that he does not have what it takes to get us over the hump. This team totally lacks mental toughness, to go out and just get 6 frigging points and control the clock in the second half to win the game. I could have guaranteed that they would have made just enough mistakes at critical times to lose the game. When is the last time they won a game that they shouldn’t have? But they sure lose ones they are supposed to win. Thats why they only end up with 8 or 9 wins in a weak division. This team does not look like it can beat a winning team right now, and that is not going to fare well for our 2nd half schedule.

by Eman3737 on Oct 24, 2011 6:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Rivers must be injured...

I’m guessing ribs, probably something much more serious than they are letting on. Come on. We’ve all watched the guy play for the last five years. We’ve seen what he can do. There is definitely something wrong physically, here. Cannot just be mental issues. Too bad they cannot be more honest about it.

by chendri887 on Oct 24, 2011 6:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Sucks when us fans are hoping he is injured

Because that is the only way we can fathom this Eli level of play.

by bored@work on Oct 24, 2011 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Must be Medical - not Mental ? ! ?

Yo, BoredMember…

Same concern here about #17 – especially how his expression looked like Eli’s – after throwing away his last chance pass out of bounds on 4th down to end the game [totally confused as he seemed to be saying, “What down is it?”].

After hearing that prior to the trade deadline for this season a players trade had been canceled because an MRI detected a brain tumor [and ended up saving his life in effect], I’m beginning to wonder if possibly PhilR might be suffering from a similar ailment that he’s not even aware of ? ? ?

I hope not, but DEFINITELY SOMETHING AIN’T RIGHT with #17 Philip Rivers ! ! !

Go Butler - Go Gates - Get GOing Rivers [SuperBowl Bound 2012 Baybee] ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

by DJChargers4ever on Oct 24, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd put coaching in the Ugly

At least on the defensive side of the ball. They started out well enough, but failed to make any adjustments. When you see a player (Cason for example) getting burned repeatedly, its time to do something different. Yes Cason’s play was ugly, but not making any adjustments is just as bad. Cason getting juked out of his boots by Plax (who is not exactly known for his dazzling moves) should have been a tip-off that Cason could not handle him by himself.

Its hard to say what is wrong with Rivers this year, but MOAR 20 should be in the game-plan until Rivers straightens himself out. .

by BFDC on Oct 24, 2011 8:04 AM PDT reply actions  

For Halloween,

Im buying a Shonn Greene jersey and telling people “Im Eric Weddle’s Nightmare”.

Good-Butler is a keeper, the running game seems legit, and having Gates out there was a good sign.

Bad-Officiating and penalties

Ugly-Cason getting used and abused and the coaches not adjusting to it. Rivers and Norv’s handling of the 2 minute drill, more injuries.

"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.

by L Magico on Oct 24, 2011 9:59 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

You got me

with the 1st line. :-p

Weddle recovered, but he sure went after his first shot at Greene like a guy with a memory.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Oct 24, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

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