5 Bad Things: San Diego Chargers at Denver Broncos
Losing the Turnover Battle
True to form, the San Diego Chargers have played only one "good" game this season and that game was blacked out to the local television territory. At this point, I'm almost rooting for the team's remaining home games to be blacked out so that the Bolts can play better. They might stand a chance against the Packers if they game isn't sold out!
The Bolts are 4-1 in terms of wins and losses, and 1-4 in terms of the turnover battle. The biggest culprit so far this season, the man who leads the league in interceptions and is just one behind Michael Vick for the league league in turnovers, has been Philip Rivers. El Capitan played his part to perfection again on Sunday, mixing big passes with an interception and a critical fumble late. He was sacked 5 times, and not all of those were the fault of his offensive line.
Injuries
Thank goodness for the bye week, huh? The Chargers looked like they were returning from war by time the Broncos were making their 4th quarter run. Ryan Mathews was seen with a boot on his foot and on crutches after the game. Antonio Gates is still hurt, as is his backup Randy McMichael. Shaun Phillips had to be helped off of the field. This looked more like a game against the Raiders than it did the Broncos, as the Chargers limped home to lick their wounds before facing the Jets.
Run Defense
The Bolts' run D is looking like the Achilles heel on that side of the ball. So far, San Diego is giving up 113 rushing yards per game and don't seem to be able to slow down anyone with any strategy besides building a big lead. In the last 3 games, they've given up 117 rushing yards (Chiefs, without Jamaal Charles), 116 rushing yards (Dolphins, without Daniel Thomas) and 206 rushing yards (Broncos, without Knowshon Moreno getting a single carry [Editor's Note: Moreno not getting a carry likely helped the Broncos]). None of those teams had much of a passing game to threaten with either.
Whether or not those were a result of the Chargers taking a lead and then protecting against the pass/big play is irrelevant, if the Chargers get used to giving up this many rushing yards to bad offenses just imagine what the Raiders or Jets will do to them.
Pass Rush
Zero sacks. ZERO. 0. None from Larry English or Antwan Barnes or Shaun Phillips or Travis LaBoy. None from the ILBs or Defensive Linemen. Tim Tebow escaped one or two possible sacks with his feet, and Phillips forced Orton to throw the interception to Donald Butler, but pressure on the Denver QBs was inconsistent at best.
Red Zone Offense
This should've been the first one, but I'm still not certain I am calm enough to write about it. I mentioned on High Boltage Radio Saturday morning that once Antonio Gates was taken out of the game due to injury, Norv Turner got incredibly conservative with his red zone offense. "Incredibly" was not an overstatement either. I stated that, without Gates, the Bolts red zone offense had essentially turned into three runs up the middle with Mike Tolbert before kicking a field goal. That rang true again against the Broncos.
Out of the 29 points the Chargers scored, only 7 of those came from the Chargers converting a goal line opportunity into a TD. That TD was scored by Rivers running the ball in (always a good playcall) on 3rd down after two runs up the gut for nothing. Outside of the above-pictured near-catch by Malcom Floyd, I can't think of a single pass Rivers threw near the end zone....and that's a problem the Bolts have had since Week 2. If they're going to beat teams like the Packers and Jets and Raiders, they're going to need to score TDs instead of FGs.
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nice summary
This stuff bugs the hell out of me. Coaches have to maximize with the personnel they have. It seems like Norv has a plan, the way he likes, and if the personnel are not the right ones, he either keeps trying or abandons it for something very predictable.
Again, anyone know where to get red zone statistics? I cannot find it.
Injuries
On the plus side, Norv didn’t seem to think that any of the injuries that happened on Sunday should keep players out of the next game. Again, thank goodness for the bye week. Gates still iffy for that one at best.
We’ll know a little more in an hour or so, which is usually when Norv does his Monday press conference.
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hides
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Err, that should be "*hides*"
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by Cake or Death on Oct 10, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Ace is making it sound like
it’s pretty much a sure thing that Gates plays against New York.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 10, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Norv wouldn't commit to that
When asked yesterday.
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Where the he'll did cake death go?
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by Lmbs2slaghtr on Oct 10, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Hell*
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by Lmbs2slaghtr on Oct 10, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh?
"The biggest thing..." - Norv Turner
by Cake or Death on Oct 10, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Or are you responding to my "hides" comment?
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by Cake or Death on Oct 10, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
YUP
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Mathews in the red zone?
Why is Norv afraid to give him the ball?
by Passport Hustler on Oct 10, 2011 11:14 AM PDT reply actions
Id like someone to answer this
toss him the rock, and let him pick and gap and explode through it
Winning
I still think
Part of this is due to coincidence. Sometimes it’s just Tolbert’s turn in the rotation. Sometimes Mathews has been out for injury. That’s not to say that Norv hasn’t picked Tolbert over Mathews from time to time (he’s also picked Mathews over Tolbert before), but that sometimes his hand has been forced.
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by Wonko on Oct 10, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with the rotation comment...
… but man I can see Mathews turing into a LT-type back in the red zone (especially inside the 5). Pitch it out and it’s almost a guaranteed TD.
by Passport Hustler on Oct 10, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
YUP
I think most Charger fans can see that.
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Matthews playing more North and South this year
I would like to see it. I would also like to see shotgun 2 RB more inside the 5, not on 3rd down. You can do a Tebow like power tackle run (with a RB), max protect, hit a RB in the flats, any number of WR routes. With the weapons they have catching the ball out of the backfield, I would think this should be goal line mayhem formation.
Last year’s Matthews tried to run around people too much, not good for goal line. I would not be surprised if that was not weighing down his chances. This year he makes a cut and forces guys to tackle him going backwards, getting that extra 1-2 yards. Last year he would dance and let the man in space come up to stop him shorter.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 10, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
what about Greg's
defense…he was supposedly an all out blitz caller and aggressive. I remember when I attended a night practice, how amazed I was with the way defense was playing. I guess he’s saving it for good teams? well what happened against NE then?
Castillo is a bigger part of this D than most give credit for
When the front 3 only take up 3 blockers, blitzes are easy to pick up.
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That was fast.
It's becoming more and more obvious with each week
That a good amount of Shaun Phillips’ sacks come with help from Luis Castillo keeping bodies away from #95.
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by Wonko on Oct 10, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
a good amount of Phillips sacks
come from playing the Cardinals and Seahawks
/snarky comment
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure that is an accurate analysis of Manusky
In fact, I think he was sometimes criticized in SF for focusing on stopping the run to the detriment of sacks and general aggression.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 10, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why I put most of the blame on Norv
His conservative playcalling when In the red-zone almost cost us the game. Even with injuries to Gates and Jackson, San Diego have to find ways to finish drives.
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by Jonathan Holmes on Oct 10, 2011 11:36 AM PDT reply actions
Fine
Go ahead and blame the win on Norv. ;)
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by Wonko on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
well
I’m still waiting on the offensive analysis before I put the blame on Norv
I was just making a joke.
Because normally you’d phrase that as “I blame X for the Y”. Where Y in the NFL is usually “loss”. But, the Chargers didn’t lose.
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by Wonko on Oct 10, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I blame wins on superstition
and losses on Norv.
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
Chargers score 29 points and Win
/blames Norv
by Myemail21479 on Oct 10, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm blaming Norv because bad playcalling gave the Broncos life
when this should have been a done deal by the end of the 3rd quarter.
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by Jonathan Holmes on Oct 10, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I know
I get it. He’s to blame for the win. It’s settled.
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by Wonko on Oct 10, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not blaming him for winning
I’m pissed he had several chances to put this game away. He didn’t, and it almost came back to bite us.
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by Jonathan Holmes on Oct 10, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah.
It was the playcalling that made Philip drop the ball completely unforced on the first drive of the 3rd quarter. It was the playcalling that caused the injuries to Mathews and Tolbert leaving the Chargers with their fullback at tailback and tight end at fullback.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 10, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a feeling no one will grade above .75 by the end of the game
in my analysis. Run stopping was… incredibly inconsistent.
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by Superduperboltman on Oct 10, 2011 12:21 PM PDT reply actions
At least the stopping was consistently inconsistent.
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
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That was fast.
One of the reasons that Norv has to be a little conservative right now
is that Rivers is a turnover waiting to happen. Throwing picks or fumbling on a regular basis.
by JeromeB on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
One week ago
Everyone in Dallas would’ve given their left arms for Jason Garrett to go conservative in the second half against Detroit.
by TheBoltEater on Oct 10, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
sacks are sometimes inconsistent and not a good indicator of overall pressure. I wonder if the number of pressures/pass play was high or low compared to our norm.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 10, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
sacks are also incumbent upon good coverage by the DBs/LBs
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I agree the presure seemed alright
It would have been nice to see some sacks, but I have to think that at least a part of the pass D success was pressure. Orton really had very little success. Tebow kinda got things going because he demanded a spy and a bootlegging QB can pick apart zone coverage. I’m not down on DL pressure,
I’m down on DL rushing D. The Chargers made Willis McGahee look rejuvenated. 162 net rushing yards allowed is usually a crusher. Fortunately the Chargers pulled 206 rushing yards on twice the # of plays :o(
by Trendsearcher on Oct 10, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty crazy
That the Chargers didn’t allow 100 yards rushing to anyone this season, yet they let McGahee (!) do it to them. Weird.
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McGahee
is a good between the tackles runner. He is only 30 yards shy of Mathews and is carrying a 4.5 yard average.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Oct 10, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
McGahee
Hasn’t been “good” at anything since he was in college. “Average” would probably be the best way to describe much of his early career. Now, he’s less than that.
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by Wonko on Oct 10, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll disagree
He’s been productive for the Broncos, even without much of a passing game.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Oct 10, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
-7.1% DVOA going into the Chargers game says otherwise.
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You know
he will be higher than that tomorrow. 100 yard games three out of the last four games.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Oct 10, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Right? McGahee of all people...
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by Richard Wade on Oct 10, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Something's gotta change before Oakland comes to town
Watched the Raider game. They are not a good match-up for us at all. Lots had better change. There’s no “nasty” to our D. There’s no “you will not run on us” swagger even when we key on it. If they can effectively play keep away with ground and pound, look out. We can’t go into the Oakland black hole needing a must-have win.
the nasty factor is a big one here
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How does one quantify "nasty"?
Is it equivalent to having a good run defense? Does having a good run defense automatically make you nasty? Does not having a good run defense automatically mean you’re soft? Is it possible to have one without the other?
I’ve always been unclear on this.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 10, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
swagger plus skill
is how i have always defined it, but its totally subjective.
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It's like pornography
You know it when you see it. It’s seeing running backs stood up and pushed back, not watching our linebackers get dragged for three or four yards. It’s the occasional crushing pop that’s heard in the upper decks. It’s seeing 4 Chargers laying on top of the running back after a two yard gain. That sorta thing.
by Robo65 on Oct 11, 2011 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The absence of AL is a factor too
I think Al has been more of a disruption than a help the last few years. What will we do now that the coaches aren’t being second guessed and undermined on a daily basis? They might actually start playing like a team….
Heck they even blocked one of the Texan’s punts, so I can’t even be sure the Chargers Teams will be improved over last year.
The Oakland games are back to being the toughest games on the schedule. Make that pop corn early so you don’t need to leave your seat.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 10, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Whom to Blame
This is an 8-8 team in training. The roster talent is thin; and key people are aging. Given who’s been on the sidelines, I (shudder to say this out loud) think that Norv has done an excellent job of coaching to this record. I see 6 or 7 losses the rest of the way though.
by San Marcos Landlord on Oct 10, 2011 4:10 PM PDT reply actions
No longer a tethered rocket?
Over the last four seasons it’s always felt like this team was a tether rocket. Even when they got off to really bad starts there was a sense that they’d soon light the engines and bust out. I just don’t get that sense from this year’s team. There haven’t been those flashes of total “I’m gonna step on your throat” domination either on offense or defense. It’s not like they’re great but just having miscues here and there. There’s a malaise across the board.
I feel pretty good about the way the team as a whole is playing
Most positions are playing as good or better than I had hoped. The one exception is Rivers, he is just not playing up to his normal standard. If he starts to play at his usual elite QB level then I think you will see some domination from the Chargers. Its a passing league (a QB league), if the Chargers are going to compete with and beat teams like New England and Green Bay then Rivers is going to have to play at the same level as Brady and Rodgers. I think he has in the past and will again, but until he does the team will not be at that level.
ehhh
after watching MNF and seeing how Cutler deals with pressure, it amazes me that anybody in here would blame the O-line for Rivers interceptions and mistakes, also watching how Rogers doesn’t hold on to the ball and releases it really quickly, makes me wonder why Norv doesn’t do the same, I know if you fall behind, you’ll need a good D to keep you in it, does that say anything about Chargers D, too many questions to get answered.
Rogers didn't look all that good w/o his LT
it amazes me that anybody in here would blame the O-line for Rivers interceptions and mistakes
Chad Clifton goes out and all of a sudden Rogers starts making mistakes and throwing ints. Its all about time and confidence, give an average QB time and create a situation where he feel comfortable – he’ll play well.
Take the best QB on a short play clock with foot steps echoing around him, and you are going to get mistakes.
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