San Diego Chargers trade for Dallas Cowboys WR Patrick Crayton
by creanium on Sep 3, 2010 1:09 PM PDT
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PrintNews is coming out now that the Chargers have picked up Wide Receiver Patrick Crayton from the Dallas Cowboys for a conditional 7th-round draft pick; should Crayton catch 40 passes this year for the Chargers the pick becomes a 6th-rounder. Crayton is a solid, if not good, veteran receiver that was just pushed out by big-money guys like Roy Williams and rookie Dez Bryant.
This move seems to be to build depth at Wide Receiver, either in preparation for Vincent Jackson to be dealt, or to build some more veteran presence in a corps of young receivers. This isn't necessarily saying that the team wasn't happy with Jeremy Williams and Seyi Ajirotutu, but getting a quality veteran for a 7th round pick is difficult to pass up when it's at a position of need.
Crayton's current contract has him due to make $2-million this season, and $2.5-million in 2011. This coupled with the low draft-pick gives the team a good veteran receiver at a relative bargain. It was pretty much a given that Patrick Crayton would be cut from the Cowboys by Saturday, so they were more than willing to deal him.
Marty Caswell spoke with Crayton shortly after news of the move broke, and he seems quite excited to come to San Diego:
I'm looking forward to being there. Oh my. Oh my. Big things. I'm going to a contender. A pro bowl QB. Much respect for Norv Turner, who did great things in Dallas. I'm coming in to compete & do whatever they ask me to do
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Know your audience.
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Hmmmmmm
I think this has everything to do with Norv being disappointed with Kris Wilson and Josh Reed, two veteran guys that were sortof going to fill that role as “4th or 5th option” in the passing offense.
I think it also has to do with AJ Smith seeing an opportunity to get a good WR (a starter!) for a 7th round pick and not a lot of money, and had to do it. Plus it’s good for Public Relations in that it’s a move against VJax.
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Special teams has to be factor as well
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I'm pretty sure he does that well
He’s no Osgood, but who is?
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Seems to me that Crayton does the same things as Jeremy Williams
He’s also better than Reed, IMO. I believe he’s good in punt coverage as well. Cowboys had no room for him though.
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With more experience, less health issues
The Cowboys play a similar offense to the Chargers, and as the slot WR with them last season Crayton caught 37 passes, had 5 TDs and a yards per catch of 16.8. Those numbers are eerily similar to Floyd’s, except with more TDs. I like this.
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What's not to like?
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According to Cowboys fans
This happened mostly because Crayton has a big mouth/attitude and rubbed Jones and Phillips the wrong way.
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I'll have to go back
and watch 2008’s Hard WonksKnocks
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Seventh Rounder
Seems like a steal.
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A classic AJ Smith fleecing I'd say
It also gives an indication about VJ’s trade worth at this point…(i.e. very low)
Yeah
Surprised the Vikes or Seahawks didn’t move on him; almost 17 YPC is really good.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 3, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It is a steal
But consider they were going to cut him, at least they received something. Although you can hardly call a 7th something
IMO
Also a statement that
AJ didn’t think he could get him off the waiver wire at the Chargers’ priority.
great move
low risk, good reward. i didnt know he was 31 though, thought he 3 or 4 years younger but still not a bad deal at all.
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It's clearly a Reed replacement move
Hopefully its actually an upgrade.
I think many of us had high hopes for Reed when he signed.
"Backup WR"
When Reed was picked, I said “Good, now we have someone if Buster or Floyd get injured”. Now that guy is Crayton, except they’ll use his downfield speed (that Reed didn’t have) and probably give him a lot of the field time that would’ve went to Kris Wilson and/or Randy McMichael. This trade made our roster more versatile and safer.
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Its an upgrade from Reed
Solely in the STs department. As far as a slot WR goes, everyone knows our slot guy is Gates. We have to go 4 wide just to get our 3rd WR on the field, something I would expect us to do less of with RM. On a side note have we agreed that BamBam is the best nickname he has so far?
IMO
I Don't Even Know about that....
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 3, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Psst, its a reference to TDEK
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I've wondered the same thing...
Because, until now...
You Didn’t Even Know.
An autumn Sunday,
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 3, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's my thinking.
Mathews hasn’t played a snap of regular-season football. You get the nickname “Bam-Bam” for doing the stuff he did in preseason, only in games they count. So I don’t think Mathews is ready for “Bam-Bam” as a moniker. He has to earn it.
But, we’re all excited about him now. So we want a nickname for him. I think TDEK does it nicely; it fits our aspirations, without making any claims our new boy has yet to back up. After all, they’ve only seen “Bam-Bam” in the preseason. Will he be any good? They Don’t Even Know.
An autumn Sunday,
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 3, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I still contend that there’s no reason to give him any stupid nicknames.
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Nice move, Buster may lose playing time
For a contending team, you don’t want to playing rookie WR if you can, so to add a forth veteran to the group it makes sense (goodbye Josh Reed). I’m just concerned that they inhereted the same problem Dallas had, Crayton wasn’t happy with being the forth WR, he sure seems to be the same thing here. As for me I would just prefer Buster play ahead of Crayton.
Is any WR under 30 happy with being a 4th WR?
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He's 31
Also, I think his biggest gripe was that he’s better than Roy Williams….everyone knows it….but Roy was ahead of him just because the Cowboys gave him that huge contract.
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No, but he did make quite a bit of noise about it
Chargers sure don’t seem to like noise from their players
Players in Dallas tend to make more noise than players here. Less media, less attention, stronger leadership in San Diego.
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He seems happy with the move
I sure hope you’re right John, and he bring value in terms of being a damn good punt returner,
Yup
Wide receiver Patrick Crayton has been traded to the San Diego Chargers, his agent Fred Lyles said Friday afternoon.
“I haven’t seen him this excited in while,” Lyles said. “It’s a done deal.”
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less politics here
no high priced vet and highly drafted rookie in front of him. If he doesn’t get looks here, it will be because he isn’t better than the guys in front of him.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 3, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he will be the 4th WR here
in fact he may end up with more catches than CBD or even Legs this season.
Reed out, Crayton in
Very good value pick-up
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by John Gennaro on Sep 3, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great move.
Awesome value for a starting caliber WR who also provides STs value. I am STOKED about this move.
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Who's the 3rd WR Buster or Crayton?
For me the vote goes to Buster, because I think he’s more talented, he’s a better a deep threath, and he knows the offense better. I would make both active, what your take guys?
I'm not sure the distinction matters
After season this preseason I like playing Buster Davis on the outside, which would normally be where the #2 plays. Legedu can play there as well, but can also play the slots. Crayton has most of his experience in the slot.
All 4 veteran WRs would be active on gameday (assuming Buster is healthy – can this be an acronym we all recognize? ABIH?) and they just need to find spots to fit each in.
Look at the Saints. Everyone knows their #1 is Marques Colston, but its tough to know who exactly their 2-4 are between Devery Henderson, Robert Meachem and Lance Moore.
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by Wonko on Sep 3, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The distinction mattered last year
Because legedu played, and Buster didn’t because of the unique case of having Osgood, don’t know if both would be active under the current roster.
They always had at least 4 WRs (including Osgood) active on gamedays
Buster was usually left inactive as the 5th or 6th guy (when we had Chambers). That will not be the case this year. I expect Buster (ABIH) to always be active.
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Both active
I think Buster starts off as the 3rd guy. If he plays well, consistently, and stays healthy(!) he could keep it, but they’ll find space for Crayton.
It might take Crayton a couple of weeks to get the offense down anyways.
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It's Buster's job to lose
But knowing him, a stiff breeze will help him out with that. Crayton is reliable, proven, and a perfect slot guy. I don’t think it’ll take much for him to beat out Davis for the slot receiver position, once he learns the offense.
Buster is going to have a great season this year
I just know it.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 3, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I had myself 23.7% convinced this morning
That Buster will be our #1 WR by the end of the year.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 3, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It's possible. He doesn't lack for potential.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 3, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be shocked by that. He’s talented enough.
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And fast
He just ran by a couple defenders for a catch last night.
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Must be Buster
because Crayton is going to be #2
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5528702
Crayton told ESPN 103.3 FM’s Galloway and Company on Friday. “I’m going to a contender. A legitimate shot to go out there and be the No. 2 and contribute. …”
I love the confidence
No way you get ahead of Naanee, he’s a better athlete and knows the offense better, keep dreaming buddy!
It would not shock me
if he eventually gets ahead of Legs, Crayton is a proven NFL WR, Legs is potential that we all think will pan out.
Actually.....
the more I think about it, the more it seems like Seyi. Jeremy Williams didn’t show much the last 2 weeks besides PR ability, and Crayton can handle that.
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And the crowd starts to come around to the understanding
that Seyi and J. Williams were not ready to contribute this season (if ever).
To me
If neither is going to be active, then you have to pick the one with more upside to be a starting WR. I think that’s Ajirotutu. I could be wrong.
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However
I guess they could want another active WR. Last year on coverage units the team used Naanee and Osgood. I assume with Naanee as the #2 WR that he won’t do it anymore. I’m pretty sure Crayton takes over one of those spots. I don’t think they’d put Buster out there (plus he might not be good at it). So, who takes that spot? Was Williams doing well there? Was Ajirotutu? Was Spillman? I don’t know, maybe none of the above. I did see Brinkley handling some coverage stuff, so maybe that’s why we might have 5 RBs and 4 WRs on the 45 man roster as opposed to the 4 RBs and 5 WRs we had last year.
Interesting choices.
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Brinkley
I’d guess we saw Brinkley out there on coverage, seeing as that was his only shot at making the 53. No? Maybe that’s what the heavy doseage of Brinkley was?
I have them keeping 5x RB this season.
I know they were talking about going to four, and it seems at least vaguely reasonable. But I think Brinkley has earned himself a spot on the inactive list, and even more than that, I think we only have seven guys who have any business calling themselves NFL O-linemen.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 3, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who was cut to make room for crayton?
I’m assuming they aren’t carrying 76 people right now.
by Its Mikey!! on Sep 3, 2010 1:57 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think
they have to cut someone until he is officially signed, which would be tomorrow anyway, with the rest of the cuts.
There's a FanPost over at Blogging the Boys that was posted this morning
It takes an objective, stats-based look at Roy Williams vs Patrick Crayton.
To sum up, Roy catches 1 more ball despite being thrown 19 more balls, for fewer yards and a lower average, two more TDs, but a turnover that Patrick didn’t have, for a lower percentage of first downs, and he doesn’t play special teams, where Crayton was by far the best punt returner, and at 12.1 yards per return, he ranked 3rd in the NFL.
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by creanium on Sep 3, 2010 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m looking forward to being there. Oh my. Oh my. Big things. I’m going to a contender. A pro bowl QB. Much respect for Norv Turner, who did great things in Dallas. I’m coming in to compete & do whatever they ask me to do
i LOVE that!!!
WELCOME PATRICK!
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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Sep 3, 2010 2:16 PM PDT reply actions
An update
The pick the Chargers sent to the Cowboys in exchange for Crayton is a conditional 7th-round pick. If Crayton catches 40 passes this year for the Chargers, the pick moves up to be a 6th rounder.
To put it in perspective, for that to happen, he would need to essentially be the #2 receiver. Malcom Floyd caught 41 passes last season.
So if that happens, $2 million and a 6th-round pick for a legitimate #2 wide receiver? I’ll take it.
"Don’t get nervous. Norv is in charge."
Dumb move
I don’t like crayton. His route running is inconsistent, he doesn’t have any explosiveness, and he’s prone to dropping break passes. I do not approve. Sorry Boltfans. If crayton plans to catch 40, he must be pushing CBD and Naanee out of 3 and 2 positions…
by Superduperboltman on Sep 3, 2010 2:26 PM PDT reply actions
If he's good enough to be thrown to, and catch, 40 passes throughout the season
How is that a bad thing?
"Don’t get nervous. Norv is in charge."
I don't think it's a dumb move
There’s no way he’s getting 2.5 receptions a game. But if you average out Brandon Siler, Corey Clark and Dedrick Epps, they’re paying a third of a quality roleplayer.
An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 3, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus $2M of a rich man's funny money.
But I don’t care about that.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 3, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Awesome news
Great pick-up for the Chargers, something tells me that AJ uses a lot of coupons when he goes grocery shopping.
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by tonoxtono on Sep 3, 2010 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
When do we hear about cuts?
Did John make the team? 
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 3, 2010 2:40 PM PDT reply actions
Cowboys fan here,
Crayton is a fine pickup for you guys. As a slot WR, he’s a natural. He’s a quick, precise route runner and anything that touches his hands…he catches. He’s less effective on the outside but you could definitely do worse.
I wouldn’t get too excited about him as a punt returner. He’s nothing more than a fair catch specialist back there. He had a couple of big returns last year that inflated his average making him look like more of a weapon as a returner than he really is.
All things considered, I think this is a perfect fit for both Patrick and the Chargers. I wouldn’t be surprised if he puts up career numbers for you guys this year. Good luck to your Chargers this season.
He’s nothing more than a fair catch specialist back there.
That would be a change of pace….
An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 3, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Rec'd
That’s exactly what I was thinking when I read that.
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I must be the only one
that loves seeing him try to run back everything.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 3, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say it would necessarily be a GOOD thing...
… but it would be a change of pace.
An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 4, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
More similar to ours than any other team, you mean?
Because I refuse to engage any discussion that compares our genius QB in any way to that good-for-nothing chicken***t Cutler.
An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 3, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't want to say I told you so, BUT
I told you so. While everyone was telling me how great the Chargers WRs were I kept saying they had no depth and a bunch of young unproven “talent”. I guess AJ felt the same way.
Next I expect him to sign a Vet O -Lineman that gets cut to give us a little depth at that position.
Vet OL for sure.
I’m looking forward to this one actually. I got faith in AJ’s scouting skillz, I just hope this time he’s not a “10 year” vet. 4-7 year would be good. He’s probly got his sights on somebody already, just waiting for the right circumstances to make the move.
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Cowboys fan here
I’m a Patrick Crayton fan myself and wish we got rid of Hurd instead of Crayton, who I think is (or was, rather) the most underrated player in Dallas. He’s really quite a reliable target.
Is it NFL time yet?
Another Cowboys fan ..
Crayton is very underappreciated by Cowboy’s fans.
It’s already been pointed out that Crayton had better stats than RW, which is true, and kinda interesting.
What’s even more interesting is that it’s possible RW is good, and Crayton had better stats because Crayton is a really good. I know that’s a bold position to take. However, advanced statistics suggest that it is a possibility (sort by EPA / A). Crayton is 13th in the NFL.
http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?year=2009&pos=WR&season=reg
I suspect you’re going to be very happy with this trade.
And I wouldn’t worry about the ‘loud mouth’ tag. There’s truth to his main gripe that he wasn’t being given a fair shot.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
you mean this rumor...
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
and this one....
http://www.nfl.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Cowboys fan here
You guys picked up a good solid receiver. Even though he might not have been worth an overall 6th or 7th rounder, he was definitely worth more on our team. Also, I don’t consider Crayton a loud mouth but he is very opinionated. If you go to the official Cowboys website you can hear first hand some of the conversations he has with reporters. He is very classy and he won’t be a distraction on your team. Just think, when we drafted Dez Bryant, even though he didn’t show up to OTA’s, he did show up to mandatory Camp and he didnt raise a fuss or anything. He showed up and did his job. He played primarily the slot position and he did it well. If it weren’t for the RW trade and contract, he would still be on our team. Any true Cowboys fans who watch and know their team like I do will tell you that Patrick Crayton has added value to our team. We only picked him up for a 7th rounder too. You will get so called fans who will bash him for the crucial drop he made for the Giants game, but don’t worry about that. Crayton has one of the most surest hands on the team. Good luck and i hope he does good things for your team like he did for ours….
by Holchr31 on Sep 4, 2010 8:46 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
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