5 Good Things: Chargers at Seahawks
- Antonio Gates - 7 rec, 109 yds, 1 TD
- Malcom Floyd - 6 rec, 97 yds, 1 TD
- Buster Davis - 3 rec, 82 yds
- Patrick Crayton - 3 rec, 57 yds
- Legedu Naanee - 3 rec, 53 yds
- Mike Tolbert - 17 carries, 73 yds
- Darren Sproles - 1 carry, 16 yds
- Crayton - 2 punt returns, 11.5 yards per return, longest return is 13 yards. 2 fair catches.
- Darren Sproles - 5 punt returns, 6.6 yards per return, longest return is 13 yards, 3 fair catches.
- Burnett - 5 tackles
- Siler - 5 tackles, 1 sack (for a Safety)
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The running game did put up some stats on a solid run D
No TD’s but without our #1 back I think we put up the most rushing yards to date against the Seahawks.
Now if we can only get our RB’s to hold on to the ball. I think they should fine ‘em like $1,000 for every fumble and give the money to a charity in the opposition’s town. These drops are spread around, the whole team seems to lack the desire to hold on to the ball.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 27, 2010 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't so impressed
with the running game. Truthfully I was hoping we would be find without Matthews but it definately showed that Tolbert wasn’t the answer for the season. Tolbert is good for certain types of runs, as is Sproles, but Matthews is REALLY needed if we are going to have any type of dynamic running game over the course of the season.
Agreed
But, we still could do well with Tolbert (non-fumbling version).
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For a game or three.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
He might be able to make it through a whole season
Maybe.
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Offseason
Its hard to believe that the offseason camps did not alert the coaches and staff on the holes in special teams. Moving Siler and Weddle to teams is risking too much.
If I had the coaches ear, I’d suggest a day or more devoted to turnovers(creating and preventing). The Seahawks have instituted a day for this (Turnover Thursdays). It is obvious from last nights efforts that no matter how good your offense and defense, turnovers are THE key. In a way its good we lost. The win over the Jags probably gave us a false sense of security that despite turnovers, our offense will carry us.
Despite the loss, I enjoyed Rivers light up the field with grit in the 2nd half.
ST Practice
Special Teams is notoriously the most difficult thing to practice for. If you go 100%, half your team will be injured after the 3rd day of practice.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 27, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not like they didn't make moves to shore up the special teams.
Remember Donald Butler?
We have a number of inactive and PS players who are really the kind of guy you want playing special teams. Lang, Holt, Ajirotutu… and we have a couple guys we don’t need. There can be no more question about Applewhite vs. Tucker: Applewhite is younger, smarter, more athletic. We have one too many good DLs and could probably trade one for a good gunner-type, though I’d hate to see any given one of them go.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Lang and holt
Both played yesterday. Teams still sucked.
by BORTZ on Sep 27, 2010 11:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Then maybe the answer is in trading a DL.
Maybe the answer is in giving those players a little time.
Fast, strong, nimble guys who can’t catch or cover aren’t that hard to find. The best of them get onto NFL programs, because they’re so fast, strong and nimble, but they can’t make it onto the field, and the teams that got so high on them get tired of their inability to translate potential into results.
Those guys end up with no trade value, but teams are afraid to cut them, because they don’t want to look dumb. However, it’s probably easier to pry them loose for players who will clearly get some action. We’re loaded on DLs who can come in and play at a high level within a rotation; we have so many we can’t even activate them all. There’s got to be a fit somewhere.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Tucker didn't play yesterday and neither did English
Acee implied that this would hurt us on special teams.
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Prophetic.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 27, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It was indeed
I was the anti-prophet. I said I questioned Acee’s assertion.
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English is quietly a very good STer.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 27, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently.
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Tucker didn't even travel
for “personal reasons”… not sure what that means.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 27, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I want more on Cason
I think he was only tested like 3 times all game, and only gave up one catch. Am I wrong? Can someone get more info??
Who said Jammer has no ball skills??? He breaks them out whenever he’s criticized. Lets keep it rolling. Jammer, you couldn’t catch a cold if you jogged in a snowstorm. You couldn’t catch an std if you spent a week with snooki. you couldn’t… wait, that last one was rough…
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by Superduperboltman on Sep 27, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions
His history shows that he doesn't have good hands.
He’ll still get a few picks though. If he had better hands he’d get more.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 27, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay. He's still a top-ten CB. And has been since '07, at least.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
NO!
He is not and you better take that back! He is a number 2 corner on most other teams – or a very good safety.
I won't claim I can name off more than 10 corners that are better
But, there are a lot of teams whose top corners couldn’t be starters on the Chargers.
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Here's 5 reall quick
Nnamdi Asomugha, Raiders
Champ Bailey, Broncos
Asante Samuel, Eagles
Darrelle Revis, Jets
Cortland Finnegan, Titans
Bailey may once have been better
but he isn’t anymore. I don’t think Finnegan is better than Jammer. Samuel might be, but that’s largely because he comes down with the interceptions. I’m not sure he’s a better cover corner than Jammer.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 27, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Finnegan and Bailey (when healthy) are both easily better than Jammer.
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Finnegan, really?
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 27, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
Why not?
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Totally agree
Great player.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 27, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Jammer has been one of the best run stopping corners for a long time
Once he got over the plethora of PI penalties that plagued his early career, he really has become quite a dominant CB.
by riversformvp on Sep 27, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree
a great run stopper and tackler, but the primary purpose of drafting a corner is not to stop the run…. it is to stop the pass. this is a pass happy league now so you better be able to defend against it. And if your front 7 can’t do anything about it you better your sweet little * that your DBs better be able to
Well, he was drafted 10 years ago
He has always been good in coverage, I don’t know why he’s getting ragged on so hard after having what appeared to be a very good game.
by riversformvp on Sep 27, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
that's another great point
he has had a favorable history concerning injuries. but just because you are on the field everygame doesn’t mean you are great… it just means they haven’t been able to find anyone to replace you…. they thought they did when they got crommartie and cason… crommartie was going to take the #1 spot, cason (or someother draftee) the #2 spot and move Jammer back to Safety. They just haven’t drafted well enough for that position. After Jammer leaves who is going to be our #2 CB? Cason is proving that he might be a legitimate #1 but who is our nickel back again?
If history has shown us anything
A.J. will draft a CB in the first round a year or two before he needs one.
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but we have been needing another one
for the last 5! We can’t wait until Jammer joins ARPA to find his replacement
That's absurd.
Patently and ridiculously absurd.
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by Wonko on Sep 27, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I don’t know if its that far-fetched. who played corner before Cro? and Crow has been in for 3/4 years now?
Drayton Florence was the corner before Cro.
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The fact that you don't know that
Makes me no longer want to give a lot of credibility to your arguments (since this is all mostly opinion based anyway).
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that's fine.
history isn’t applicable to this discussion anyways.
oh yeah good ol'
flow they replaced him with crow and now we don’t have either no mo
The only person who has been in the secondary since Cro was drafted
Is Quentin Jammer.
by riversformvp on Sep 27, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Drayton FLorence was benched for Cro
because he had an 85% catch rate allowed. Florence sucked in coverage. Strange that last year he was one of the best with like 45% alowed
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by Superduperboltman on Sep 27, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd
I remember when Jammer was the most criticized and scorned person on the team. He just stopped penalizing and became one of the most beloved. I’m not complaining about him being our number 1. Underrated for sure.
by zelkolnikov on Sep 27, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I said it was absurd, didn't I?
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There's nothing I've seen or heard
That would make me believe that Davis is any better. Any corner that doesn’t have at least 3 years in the league probably isn’t that great. They may have extra hype as first round pick, but they still have so much to learn about the NFL. Revis being the exception.
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He's the real deal
complete corner that does it all. 2nd year in the league yes so he is young but he has the performance to back it up too
The great thing about Jammer is that he is also a complete CB
But he has been doing it for a full decade.
by riversformvp on Sep 27, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a full decade.
his first 3 years he was rough. We all probably hated him. He’s turned around and we all love him now.
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by Superduperboltman on Sep 27, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
don't get me wrong
I like jammer. Liked him at Texas too. But truthfully he is not top 10 when it comes to being a corner in this league.
I doubt you'll find many agreeing with you here
We’ve just seen him underrated for so long and were Homers when it comes to Jammer for sure. But superduperboltman is right, the first years were bad as I mentioned above.
by zelkolnikov on Sep 27, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with you on 2.5.
Asomugha, Revis: Yeah.
Bailey, Samuel: At their peak. But they’re on their way down, and Jammer is not.
Finnegan: Arguable.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Career Stats: Finnegan vs Jammer
Finnegan: 5 Years, 64 games
Solo tackles: 260
Sacks: 4
Ints: 11
FFum: 2
DefTD: 3
PassDef: 49
Jammer: 9 Years, 128 Games
Solo Tackles: 485
Sacks: 0
Interceptions: 17
Touchdowns: 0
Forced Fumbles: 5
Passes Defended: 112
Edge (IMHO): Courtland Finnegan
On those numbers
I would give the edge to Jammer. They don’t blitz Jammer, he’s the guy they put on an island where there is a corner blitz. He’s not going to get sacks. In less than twice the time in the league, Jammer has more than double the number of passes defended. To me, that makes a better corner. Finnegan’s game is based on being a punk and playing as far past the whistle as he can get away with. Jammer is more consistent in coverage. I’ve seen far too many games where Finnegan gets torched. Take a look at the Chargers game on Christmas for a nice case study in how inconsistent he can be.
You can't begin to measure CBs on numbers like that
At least use some PBP statistics like Football Outsiders has, but even those aren’t conclusive. This is just the lazy man’s way of trying to prove a point.
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Here's more
Charles Woodson, Packers
Antoine Winfield, Vikings
Nate Clements, 49ers
Sheldon Brown, Eagles
Terence Newman, Cowboys
Al Harris, Packers
Leon Hall, Bengals
Rashean Mathis, Jacksonville
even… PacMan Jones, Bengals
You can take Clements, Brown, Jones and Harris off of that list
All had their day, but aren’t at that level anymore. I’d also question Mathis’ effectiveness these days. He used to get picks for big plays, which made him useful but his coverage skills aren’t that good and he doesn’t get those picks anymore.
I’d put Jonathan Joseph, Cincinnati, on the list as one replacement. Dunta Robinson probably belongs as well when he’s healthy.
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I agree with J. Joseph
You may also be write on Brown, Jones and Harris but Mathis is better. The problem with Mathis is they have so many other glaring issues on that defense that he simply can’t play his position anymore. What about D’angelo Hall?
D'Angelo Hall is one of the worst corners in the league.
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Is he supposed to be good?
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Yeah
Started out as a returner then took the starting CB job. Got’s speed and ball skills. Not experienced as Jammer though… might be a toss up…. I lost my faith in Jammer years ago… sorry
You've gone the opposite of most people on Jammer
Many bitched about him for years. But, he’s been so solid over the last half decade I doubt know what your gripe against him could be.
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doubt = don't
for some reason.
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Apparently just about every other starting corner in the league
is better than Jammer.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 27, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't make sense to me
But Jammer apparently gave MacDeezul a wedgie once or something.
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Not true
But he is not top 10 in the league. He is somewhere between 10 and 15 I think as a #1 corner, and that means he can be beat fairly consistently by the leagues #1 WRs who he will be matched up against.
Well Jammer doesn't get beat fairly consistently by the best WRs in the league
And I won’t back off of that until you have evidence to prove otherwise. He so rarely gets beat that saying “fairly consistently” sounds pretty off base. I won’t back down from that.
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If you mean "beat fairly consistently" by Randy Moss
You’re sadly mistaken. Jammer whooped Moss’s behind in ’07. Yes, Matt Cassell was throwing the ball, but Moss was piggy and Jammer was blanket.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
2008
Jammer held Moss to 3 catches, no TDs, 36 yards. In the 2007 championship game, Jammer held Moss to ONE catch for 12 yards.
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by Superduperboltman on Sep 27, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Same thing when Moss was on the Raiders.
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moss held moss
in check when he was on the raiders
He got yards somehow.
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in Oakland
he had joe the handy man as a quarterback
but he had 60 and 42 catches his two years in oakland. Both are his career lows even when he was playing in the not very good AFC West division.
didnt Jammer knock Moss out
for a few games in that season opener against the raiders. and his career in oakland was never the same till he left
04? 05? i forget the year
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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Sep 27, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
That actually might have been Florence
But it could have been Jammer.
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Thanks. '08.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Asante Samuel
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by John Gennaro on Sep 27, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Samuel over his career is kind of like a more studly Jammer
In that they’ve both had a lot of up-years. But most of Samuel’s up-years were way back when.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Sheldon Brown is better.
Nor Newman, Harris, Hall, Mathis, or Jones.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 27, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Newman is probably pretty close
Most of Newman’s shortcomings are almost all a direct result of absolutely terrible safety play in Dallas over the last, idk, decade or so.
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I'm a fan of Newman.
But if you made a list of the 100 least recognized players over the last ten years, not putting Jammer in the top twenty would be a hilarious irony.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems to me that whole list would be full of irony
Wait, empty, umm…you know what I mean.
by riversformvp on Sep 27, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
If you're talking about a current player's best year, you're totally right. Jammer is maybe top-50.
But if you’re talking about where the guy is right now in relation to all the guys around him, half the names on that list are not as good as the steady Jammer at any given time. I undoubtedly agree with you about Woodson, Winfield, Newman and Mathis. The rest, none are clearly better now, and I suspect if you looked back year-for-year since ‘07, you’d see Jammer mostly holding his own (or to what extent he’s not, playing the lone bright spot in the back eight in ’08).
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if the fact that Jammer played with a lot of bums
Has had any weight on their opinions of him.
by riversformvp on Sep 27, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
that's a very fair question
and might have some validity to it.
That,
or being on a team with only one playoff season his first 5 years
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by Superduperboltman on Sep 27, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
9 seasons
17 picks – 1.something career average
60 some tackles a year
no sacks
5 total forced fumbles
….
….
means he doesn’t make a lot of game changing plays…. so it is going to be hard to really examine him without going into every game and seeing his performance against the receiver’s he is matched up against.
what are the official stats for Passes defensed?
and the biggest thing is TD’s allowed, 1st down catches allowed, and missed tackles. THAT’s what really makes a cornerback.
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by Superduperboltman on Sep 27, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Passes Defended 112
over 9 years thats about 12.something a year, so less than 1 a game in a 17 game schedule. But you are right about the other stats, not sure how to get down to that level of granularity.
Just an FYI
Every stadium record keeper measures PDs differently. I remember Football Outsiders looking at the PDs from Philadelphia, for example, and they were ridiculously higher than other places. They would count balls that went over players’ heads as PDs.
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by Wonko on Sep 27, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't know that.
it would seem there would be some standard for numbers that are officially recorded.
They aren't official
There’s your mistake.
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hmmmmmm
I dont make up statistics. I merely point them out. I’m pretty sure anyone could find them as well as I.
I didn't say you made up statistics
I’m just pointing out that assuming those statistics were official was a mistake. They are not. The NFL isn’t like MLB, they don’t sanction every statistic. I don’t think they even sanction tackles as an official statistic (and if they do now, it was only recently).
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I'm real interested to see how our DVOA shakes out.
The special teams, obviously, will continue to come in last. The defense should continue to look good. What I’m most curious about is the offense. They were pretty bad in the first half, them tore up and down the field in the second half. They should get a good amount of credit for that TD and 2-pointer, but lose it for not being able to punch it in at the end of the game.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 27, 2010 11:37 AM PDT reply actions
Our defensive DVOA should be a record outlier bad.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I assume you mean special teams.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 27, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes. Sorry.
Our defensive VOA should be very, very good.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt that
Remember all those 3rd down conversions we gave up? That’s not going to look good. I say we’ll be close to average. Maybe even below average.
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Matt Hasselbeck has been bizarrely good on 3rd down.
He has a 105 QB rating or something so far on 3rd down, which is a stark contrast from how terrible he does on 1st and 2nd.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 27, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
As for traditional stats
SDchargersdude Two stats to express San Diego’s agonizing 1-2 start and STs play: The #Chargers are No. 1 in total offense and No. 4 in total defense.
8 minutes ago reply
I’m going to guess DVOA will have us somewhere like Offense No. 5 Defense No. 6-7.
by Natrone Bomb on Sep 27, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Ouch.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the pass defense on the back end is excellent.
The rush is as good as Merriman, which is to say it will be deficient until he gets back into football shape or until we draft his replacement by packaging picks and moving up in the first round next year.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 11:37 AM PDT reply actions
I disagree
we have two #2 cornerbacks and two strong/run support safeties. Neither safety will be good in coverage against the upper echelon TEs in the league (and there seems to be a lot of them) and neither are going to be able those true slot receivers. If our front 7 doesn’t make it to the QB in order to force a mistake or early throw we will continue to give up 3rd plays like we have this whole decade.
This is on the pass rush.
The secondary makes the difference on YPA, but if you want to win the big plays you need a killer rush artist.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Kassim was to special teams
What Rivers is to Offense.
by Its Mikey!! on Sep 27, 2010 11:56 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
It's an attitude issue.
Crayton’s comments make this the likely culprit. If the coaches agree, expect a personnel move. It may be a quiet one, such as taking a starter off ST, or deactivating a player in favor of another, or a noisy one, like cutting a player. I don’t know that it has to be dramatic; the first quarter of the season shows us a disproportionate sample of speedy returners, and two of those three return TDs were pretty darn unlikely (the last one was Keystone Kops). But it’s obvious there’s something wrong, and if it’s an attitude problem it’s time for a removal for ST/benching/cut.
One other place to look, at the same time, is changes to the game, but those changes should have made coverage easier, right? Were large sleds bad tactics on top of being dangerous? Maybe, and if so, perhaps there’s a touch of rethinking required. I certainly don’t know the subject well enough to make any recommendations. Besides, this is an offseason task, and involves personnel moves that are easier to make in February. Perhaps some intensive film study is warranted, but I think that’s obvious. What teams’ ST offenses have improved over the next few years? What are they doing differently? What teams really liked 4-man sleds, but have adjusted well? How did they change it up?
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 27, 2010 12:54 PM PDT reply actions
you make some great points!
but does this mean that our special teams play is goint to suck all year? does this mean we can look forward to loosing another playoff game due to a special teams mistake or ineptness?
If our special teams sucks this bad all year
Playoff games will not be part of the equation.
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Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Going back to my Cason Comment...
Top Corners in the NFL:
Darrelle Revis
Nnamdi Asomugha
Champ Bailey
Leon Hall
Charles Woodson
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Mike Jenkins
Asante Samuel is NOT better than Jammer. He gets INT’s but allows lots of TD’s and catches. Jammer is better overall. Cortland Finnegan is above average but overrated still. Since 2006, Jammer has allowed only 8 TD’s. Antoine Winfield and Nate Clements, were above average 3 years ago. Now, they’re overrated and respected because of their names.
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by Superduperboltman on Sep 27, 2010 1:00 PM PDT reply actions
Cason and Jammer
Are an excellent duo, and Cason has been pro bowl worthy thus far, but still has to prove himself for the whole season. Champ Bailey still is a top corner.
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by Superduperboltman on Sep 27, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose I have a bad reference point
I’m used to seeing Gates and our receivers torch Bailey so I just don’t think he has it anymore.
Chargers are the exception against Bailey
Not the rule. Every other team gets owned by him. When healthy.
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He did do a good job
against Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne this weekend.
Actually
The Colts attack the Broncos horizontally for the most part. They try to negate the effects the Broncos corners have by doing this. NFL Matchup did a good piece showing how they take Bailey out of the play.
Also, Bailey would be covering Collie for the most part since I believe Bailey almost always lines up to the right of the QB and Wayne almost always lines up to the left of the QB.
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Asante versus Jammer's career
Asante: 8 Years, 109 games
Solo Tackles: 293
Interceptions: 36
Touchdowns: 4
Forced Fumbles: 5
Passes Defended: 122
Jammer: 9 Years, 128 Games
Solo Tackles: 485
Interceptions: 17
Touchdowns: 0
Forced Fumbles: 5
Passes Defended: 112
Edge (IMHO): Asante Samules. His stats are more what I need from my corner. Granted there is a huge disparity in solo tackles but I don’t draft a corner to tackle moreso than I draft him to make plays in the passing game. Not saying tackling is not important Andrea Cromartie!
I would argue that Samuels' high INT totals are a benefactor of a good pass rush...
…while the Chargers “good” pass rush (when they had one) was a benefactor of good coverage.
by Andy (allfield) on Sep 27, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
they go hand in hand. Any QB can have a 110 QB rating against the Steelers or Vi
Any QB can have a perfect QB rating against the Steelers or Vikings if they get 5 seconds of pocket time.
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by Superduperboltman on Sep 27, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I would argue they are also better because he's a gambler
He’s not afraid to get beat going for the pick. Jammer doesn’t do that. He’d rather stop a pass from being caught or getting YAC than go for the pick. Different styles. Chargers defensive philosophy is avoid giving up big plays like the plague.
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Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
I think the site is having some technical problems
I clicked on a post about 5 good things the Chargers did vs the Seahawks and started to read the thread, then somehow I was redirected to a fan post thread comparing every CB in the league to Jammer.
John please check into this glitch. Thanks
by JeromeB on Sep 27, 2010 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Do not adjust your television
Errr…computer screen.
That is what this thread has become.
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.

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