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With all of the excitement about the newfound versatility of our offensive skill players, a fundamental shift in our defensive philosphy has flown under the radar.  Our offense is now able to run a wide variety of plays out of many formations without substituting very much.  The hope is that we can keep opposing defenses from substituting situationally.  This is the very thing we're hoping our defense will be able to do.  Norv Turner and Ron Rivera will be regularly and dliberately shuffling as many as 19 players in and out of the 11 spots in the lineup on defense.  Being the starter in many cases means you get to play first down and then run gleefully off the field to Ron's side.  The heaviest rotation will be along the D-line where fierce competition has bred... equality?

Here's Norv discussing his defensive-line-by-comittee:

"We’re not going have a situation where … last year Luis and Jacques (Cesaire) played two-thirds of the time and got 40 plays," Turner said. "I don’t think we’ll be in that situation. We’ll roll more guys in, and I think sometimes on first down you’ll see bigger guys. We have some big guys. Vaughn Martin is 325. Cam is 335. We have some bigger guys that I think will help us defend the run, particularly some of those teams we’ve had a tough time with who’ve come in and overpowered you.

"We’ll see the bigger guys early, then use the guys who aren’t as big in second-and-long and third – down situations. But I do believe, as I said in training camp, you want to get to situation where you understand what your guys do best. I think we’re getting a better understanding of that."

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This is a big shift for the Chargers.  It used to be the only non injury related changes were that Jamal Williams came off for third and long while a DB replaced a LB to make a nickel.  On the line at least, these changes were not the plan, but simply the best way to make use of the talent available:

And Turner stated his preference early in training camp that players step up and force the Chargers to forgo a heavy line rotation. But he sounds now as if the ability of Martin, Alfonso Boone and Travis Johnson has the Chargers ready to shuffle more than ever.

"I think we’re finding out that there are certain situations where we’ll want to use our big guys and then other times when we want to use guys with better pass-rush ability," Turner said.

This decision could be viewed in the John Gennaro way (glass half full), or the Wonko way (make a trashy drama inducing reality show out of it).  It could be the talent rising together; that everyone has been playing at a high level and have all earned the trust to perform against 1st team NFL talent.  The negative nancies of the world will be nervous that this means no one has separated from the pack and forced the coaching staff's hand.  For now, the fact that it worked pretty well out of neccessity last year indicates it ought to work by design this year.

It hasn't been discussed very much, but the ILB position opposite Stephen Cooper will be manned by Siler on running downs and Burnett for passing downs.  Larry English will definitely get plenty of playing time, as he must be developed with the all-but-guaranteed departure of Shawne Merriman at the end of this season (even WITH the assumption that Merriman will be able to get on the field and return to form - which looks more and more doubtful every week) .

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The Strong Safety position was planned to be shared by fourth round pick Darrell Stuckey and Steve Gregory, with the latter's veteran savvy giving way to the former's athleticism as the season progressed.  The original goal was for Stuckey to start, playing first and second downs, while Gregory helped the defense get off the field on third down.  Due to Stuckey's slow progress and Gregory's general awesomeness, it looks like the rookie may have trouble pushing the veteran out as soon as had been planned.

While Stuckey began camp strongly, showing his speed and a penchant for learning quickly, the Chargers never intended to use him as an every down player this season. He is going to be the strong safety in the Chargers' base defense, working primarily against the run.

"He's going to play in one personnel package, on first and second down," Turner said. "The learning issue isn't as extensive as if he were being asked to play in all personnel groups and all situations. Based on what I saw of him and how he handles things, I'm not concerned about where he is. Now, if he were to have a setback, I'd be concerned."

While veteran Steve Gregory likely will begin training camp working with the first team and could well be the primary strong safety come Sept. 14, the job is Stuckey’s to win.

There are benefits and drawbacks to this new approach.  If done right, it puts the right guy in the right place to make a play, and allows Rivera to 'dial up' pressure and blitzes from a lot of different angles.  It's a football fact that as a game progresses, defensive players tire quicker than offensive players.  Heavy substitution helps keep everyone fresh in theory, but won't these lineman get exhausted running in and out from the sideline?  Isn't that more tiring then simply strolling five yards back to line up for the next play?  This is also great for developing younger players, as well as being ready to absorb the inevitable season ending injury or two.

This level of defensive substitution relies on two things: being able to predict the opposing offense to some degree, and the offensive tempo giving you time to make your changes.  This makes me nervous about opponents such as the Colts (this is amusingly somewhat mitigated by the umpire fiasco).  It's also dangerous against any quarterback that has more freedom to change plays at the line of scrimmage as he can see exactly what the defense is expecting based on the lineup.  Does this make game planning against our defense easier or harder?  Is this an isolated development or an NFL trend?

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I got to 19 with 7 defensive lineman, 3 ILBs (Cooper, Burnett, Siler), 3 OLBs (Philips, Merriman, English), and 6 DBs (Cason, Jammer, Weddle, Gregory, Stuckey, Strickland at Nickel) seeing regular meaningful playing time. The only guys that seem to be planned to play full time would be Sean Phillips, Stephen Cooper, Antoine Cason, Quentin Jammer, and Eric Weddle.

by Orz on Sep 2, 2010 11:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Great post.

I can see the worry against Colts, but really, the defense will do what it can and the offense will go and be their usual thunderous selves. I trust Ron Rivera to be prepared as he can for Peyton Manning. He can call audibles all he wants, but if has no one to pass it to and we stuff his runs, he can’t do much.

Of course, I’m the ultimate Chargers optimist.

"Never give up, even in defeat." I go for both the Bolts and the Vikings, so I guess you could call me Thor.

by Madcat5 on Sep 3, 2010 5:29 AM PDT reply actions  

ILB

From the pre-season games, it appears that Burnett and Cooper will be the everydown LBs. I’m sure Siler will get his share of playing time, but from what I watched, Siler never was in for Burnett on 1st downs. The rotation you described was exactly what happened last year and it appears that was due to a neck injury to Burnett that kept him from really being the thumper we need in a run defense LB. So Siler was the ILB on running downs (which essentially meant he was the starter since the first play of the game is usually a running down) and Burnett would come in on passing downs with the nickel package.

I’m excited to see if Burnett can stay healthy and man his ILB role every down. Every down ILBs gives you so much flexibility. Having a run stopping ILB who can also cover really helps out on play action or other passing plays that you are not expecting.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 3, 2010 8:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

I think Burnett will be an every down player this year, but because Coop can play both positions I would expect to see more of Siler against teams that want to run the ball

IMO

by Foilhat on Sep 3, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does Siler need two helmets? One with a radio and one without? The rules state that only one player on the field can have one.

by Orz on Sep 3, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still think we need a premier 5T

Hopefully he target one early the next draft.

IMO

by Foilhat on Sep 3, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope you didn't mean RT

because nobody in the league invests in the RT position early in the draft.

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by John Gennaro on Sep 3, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope, he meant 5 technique

Which fits better with the context of the FanPost if you think about it.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on Sep 3, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Heh, not knowing what a 5T was I did the same thing as John, looked at what was around the ‘5’ on the keyboard as a possible typo source…

by Orz on Sep 3, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now if only we could land a a 5T TDEK in next year’s draft.

by Orz on Sep 3, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

5T is your classic 4-3 DE isn't it?

Think Strahan, Reggie White, Leslie O’Neil, etc…

We only use that in our nickel (when it is manned by our OLBs, who are pretty close size-wise to a 4-3 DE) or in our uglified 4-3 we run with our 3-4 personnel every now and then.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Sep 3, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

Usually a pass rushing 4-3 DE plays the 7 technique.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on Sep 3, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

For 5 technique

Think Richard Seymour with the Pats and Aaron Smith of the Steelers.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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by Wonko on Sep 3, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure.

I think that we have several solid 5Ts, though nobody has emerged as a star yet. I think Travis Johnson could be such a premier 5T; he failed in Houston because they abandoned the D they drafted him for.

As little as I like the idea of throwing good draft picks after bad, I think we need an OLB. We’ll have some ammo to trade up with: if we can hit on another Merriman in the 10-15 range, that would be ideal. Failing that, an LT or a 5T would be a good pick when we draft at #32, but the list will look kind of picked-over by then. Maybe there’s a really killer WR or RT prospect. (I disagree with John about early RTs: big mauling tackles who could maybe play the left side frequently go in the late first or early second and begin, and sometimes end, their careers as RTs.)

I really like that they have all these extra picks in the early rounds. That will let them pick up players to fill a whole bunch of needs, using the first and second rounders to get the best guys to be found and the third rounders to fill in the depth chart. Or, they can trade up in the first and not worry about the lost picks. It’s a nice place to be.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen;
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 3, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually...

… a second rounder on a big, scary RT might be exactly what the doctor ordered for this team. Paired up with Vasquez, and with Rivers-Gates keeping the box at seven men, we’d finally have a killer running game! Here’s hoping Cromartie does a good job for what I think will be a lame Jets team this year.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen;
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 3, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I wouldnt be against targeting a OT early, even if he end up playing RT. Many times teams will target OTs in the late first or 2nd rounds with the assumption they will play RT, and possibly eventually moved to LT.

IMO

by Foilhat on Sep 3, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I imagine it the other. You draft an OT with tremendous raw talent

He starts off on the right side as mainly a run blocker. Being young, full of energy and possessing the “mean streak” of a youngster, he would make an excellent run blocker. Then, over the course of a career, he refines his pass blocking skills and shifts to the left side where pass blocking technique is crucial.

I have been thinking about this for a few days, comparing the skill sets of RTs and LTs.
I go back to the old adage “you can’t teach speed”. You can, however, teach technique.
Just like Ryan Mathews is learning to catch, you can’t teach Jacob Hester to run a 4.4 40.
Run blocking and pass blocking differ in that run blocking is all about muscle, leverage and honest-to-goodness nastiness, which is hard to teach. Aside from the leverage, of course.
Pass blocking is about 90% technique and very little about pure physical talents, although long arms and good agility help. It would seem to me that for a young tackle prospect rich in raw talent, they would be better suited to start on the right side while they learn the technique required for pass blocking. That way they can crush people in run blocking on what is frequently used as the strong side/running side, while building pass blocking technique in practice. Since they are supported more frequently by an extra blocker/TE in pass schemes their deficiencies in pass blocking could be compensated for. Then they can just smack the crap out of who they wish being young whippersnappers and all.
After a couple of years of working on technique, they shift to the left side and apply their pass blocking skills which they’ve been honing for 2-4 years allowing for a newer, younger whippersnapper to take over the RT position.
Just a thought, but if I was drafting an OLine, that’s how I would do it.

Just imagine Jeromey Clary at LT next year…I know I’m excited ;)

by riversformvp on Sep 5, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am a Clary fan

I wasn’t for a couple of years but his reliability in many aspects of his game have won me over. RT is not a priority for this team. If we draft an LT in the first wound next year we instantly have great RT depth with Dombo and Green as back-ups. Clary is at the very least an average to above average RT. A good run blocker and a decent pass blocker.

by riversformvp on Sep 5, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

All of this is Norv-speak

for “We spent valuable draft picks on bling when we needed athletic fat men for both trenches”.

I wish Mathews well, but I stand behind my premise that we could have upgraded our RB stable later in the draft & gotten a couple of defensive studs early.

We’ll see how it works out. I believe Mathews will be successful. I DON’T believe that we’ll win a SB until we build a much stronger defense.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Sep 3, 2010 12:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously, I don't agree.

I think our defense is one playmaker away. We just need a pass-rushing OLB/DE who can get the job done. We’ve got lots of mediocre-to-goodish ones, what I think will generally be a stout DL, and a quality (if not overwhelming) secondary. What you’re really looking at is a well-put-together defense that seems to have whiffed on one critical spot.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 3, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the middle of this D

is still mushy. Butler might have helped. Now we have to wait for next year to see about that.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Sep 3, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Epilogue

We wound up with a 53 man roster that is heavily balanced on the defensive side with 21 offensive & 29 defensive players.

From the official team site:

As for the larger number of defensive players, Turner said it will give the team great flexibility to adjust the 45-man active roster to fit the opponent."

by Orz on Sep 4, 2010 7:24 PM PDT reply actions  

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