Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: How The Kings Beat The Coyotes: Lather, Rinse, Repeat

Chargers Blackout: San Diego, Fans, and the Media

Well, the previously unthinkable has happened. Unable to sell the remaining 8,000 tickets for this weekend, the matchup between the Jacksonville Jaguars and San Diego Chargers will be blacked out in virtually all of Southern California. In recent year, blackouts themselves have been alien to Charger fans—the team has sold out 48 straight home games and has not experienced a blackout since November 7th, 2004, a game against the (then horrible) New Orleans Saints. What we have been treated to is numerous blackout scares and warnings, where we were told in ominous tones that a blackout was "imminent". This has lead to numerous sports talk show hosts and fans from other teams to question the dedication and loyalty of Charger fans. So why are the Chargers having trouble selling out their stadium and keeping the games on local TV?

Star-divide

The Economy

Yes, we’ve all heard about how terrible the economy is. What you may not know is how much worse it is in California than the rest of the country. Just as an example, the national unemployment rate is in the 9-10% range. In California, it’s up over 12%. The increased jobless rate, combined with a cost of living that’s among the highest in the nation, means that Californians are strapped for cash. Now on to ticket prices. Check out this survey, a study conducted by Team Marketing Report, a sports marketing journal. The Chargers rank in the top ten in the NFL in both ticket prices and Fan Cost Index. A simple survey of prices on Ticketmaster bears this out. The cheapest tickets left available to this Sunday’s game against Jacksonville have a $54.00 face value. That’s for Upper View End Zone. How about Jacksonville, the team the Chargers are playing? For their next home game against the Philadelphia Eagles, the cheapest seats left available have a $40.00 face value. The team the Chargers just played, the Kansas City Chiefs, have $30.00 face value tickets left for their next home game against the San Francisco 49ers.

NFL tickets are EXPENSIVE. Let’s say you want to go to a Chargers game with your friend, relative, or significant other. For the cheapest seats available, that would be $108.00 alone for tickets (plus various fees if you aren’t buying them directly from the box office at Qualcomm, like most aren’t). Then there’s parking at the stadium, which goes for $25 per car. So for two people to attend a game, without buying food, drinks, or souvenirs, the cost is already over $130. Throw that other stuff in, and you could be looking at over $200 to watch a football game. Yikes.

The fact of the matter is lots of us can’t afford to spend money on stuff like this. Maybe you have a nice job with lots of spending money and have had season tickets going on 10 years now. That’s great. I wish I was you. Unfortunately, most of us aren’t. Personally, I’m a 20-something who just finished law school, and am now trying to find a legal job in a market that’s shrunk rapidly the last 5 years. I love my Chargers, but my family and I don’t have the money to spend on stuff like that. I have a hunch that many, many Southern Californians are in similar circumstances. We love our sports teams, but don’t have the resources to go to games live. It sucks, but it does not mean we are any less of fans for it.

Opponent

No one likes to admit it, but the fact of the matter is that lots of fans of the away team show up at games. People like to rip on San Diego in particular for this, but it happens everywhere. That’s why in baseball, NL teams love it when they get home games against teams like the Yankees and Red Sox. They’re guaranteed sell outs. Those teams have massive national fanbases that travel well. In the case of the Chargers, the Jacksonville Jaguars just aren’t a big draw. They don’t have a large national fanbase, and they aren’t close by so it’s harder and more expensive for their fans to travel from Florida to San Diego. Fewer visiting fans means fewer tickets sold, period. We’d all love it if only home team fans were at our stadiums, but that’s just not the case anywhere in the country.

This is even more true in San Diego. Cities like Chicago, Boston, Detroit, etc. have a population that's largely people who have been born and raised there, and identify with the local team. That's not the case in San Diego. A significant part of the population is not native--rather, they're people who have moved into the area because of work, retirement, or some other reason. A lot of these people are fans of other teams. They aren't necessarily going to go to a Charger game just to watch the Chargers. They'll go to the game if their team is in town, or if it's a marquee matchup. Most of these people won't be paying to go watch the Jacksonville Jaguars.

There’s another effect that opponent has on attendance, besides just number of visiting fans: draw. As a sports fan, when I’m going to a game I want to pick whichever one is going to give me the most bang for my buck. In baseball, that means I want to go when my team’s best pitcher is starting, or our hated divisional rival is in town. In football, I want to pick a game that is going to offer the most excitement. When I look at the Chargers’ home slate this year, two games stand out to me: the New England Patriots and Denver Broncos. If I’m an old-timer and remember the days when the Raiders were good, I circle Raider week on the calendar as well. Everything else is "meh". If I am going to fork over the aforementioned $200+ to go to a game, I don’t want to see the Jacksonville Jaguars. I’m sorry Jacksonville fans, it’s nothing against your team, but I’m saving my money for the Pats and Broncos. Other fans feel the same way. In 2009, when the Chargers hosted the Broncos, Raiders, and even the Eagles, there were no blackout warnings. The opponent was one that drew a crowd. If the tickets were cheaper, or the economy was better, it would be a lot easier for fans to spend their money on games like this one. Unfortunately, that’s not the case.

Stadium

Stadium size affects attendance. Seems like common sense, right? The more seats you have, the harder it is to sell out. Qualcomm Stadium has about 71,000 seats. Let’s look at the seating capacity at the home venues of some other contending teams in the NFL.

Gillette Stadium, Foxborough: 69,000
Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis: 66,000
Heinz Field, Pittsburgh: 65,000
Metrodome, Minneapolis: 64,000

The Chargers have a lot of seats to sell. Significantly more than these other teams. Reportedly, the Chargers were about 7,000 seats short of a sellout. That means they did sell 64,000 tickets to this game, which would be enough to sell out the Metrodome and come damn close in Pittsburgh and Indianapolis, probably close enough to get an extension and sell out the remaining seats.

This brings us to the Chargers’ proposed new stadium. According to plans given to the media, seating capacity at the hypothetical downtown seat will be somewhere in the neighborhood of 62,000. This new venue would be exclusively dedicated to football (Qualcomm never was intended as a pure football site), and be of a size that’s far more conducive to the San Diego market. Whenever blackouts are threatened, it’s always because of less than 10,000 seats remaining. This weekend it’s 7,000. In the past it’s been 2,000 or 3,000. With a new stadium, blackouts would never be an issue.

Fan Loyalty

This is the part that bugs me the most. Whenever the Chargers have issues selling out and blackouts are threatened, sports media types both online and on the radio love to rail about how bad San Diego fans are. They aren’t loyal enough, or they don’t care enough about their team to go to a game. Here’s a nice example from Andrew Sharp at SB Nation:

9. Does San Diego Deserve An NFL Team?

The easy answer here is no way. Not with Los Angeles 45 minutes down the road, and the season opener getting blacked out. I mean, even Jacksonville avoided a blackout for their home opener.

It's a down economy, there's a lot to do in San Diego, blah blah blah. There's no way you can spin this without the city coming off looking pathetic. There aren't 50,000 football fans willing to pay to watch a Super Bowl contender? It's one thing for the Jaguars, Lions, and Raiders to struggle. But the Chargers are good.

So it's sort of an open-and-shut case. San Diego needs to get it together.

That said... If you were looking for the "toughest contender to root for" it'd have to be San Diego, right? Dean Spanos, their owner, apparently has dreams of Los Angeles. Their GM refuses to pay key players on offense, and more important, just seems like an out-and-out prick. They mortgaged their 2010 Draft on Ryan Mathews, who had just 75 yards on Monday night. And their two most prominent players are Shawne Merriman and Philip Rivers.

The same Philip Rivers who had a full-on tantrum on Thursday. What a putz.

So I understand why San Diego might be lukewarm on this bunch. But even so... Imagine living in a city that's too apathetic to supports its football team. Having grown up in D.C., with one of the three best fanbases in football (next to KC and Green Bay), it's hard to imagine. But think of how depressing that'd be. To turn on the TV on a Sunday and watch... What? Replays of some motocross rally on Fox? Re-runs of Becker on CBS? It'd be the worst thing ever.

And San Diego fans deserve it. They have a good team; go to the games. Come on. Maybe they don't deserve to lose their team outright, but they definitely deserve a weekend of Becker and Motocross. Season opener blacked out? In the words of the immortal Bunk Moreland, "This is some shameful shit, Jimmy."

I’m going to ignore the potshots at management and Philip Rivers, and apparent general dislike of the Chargers. That’s not the subject of this article. What I am going to talk about is his disdain towards San Diego sports fans and Charger fans in particular. Guess what Andrew? There are 50,000 football fans in San Diego willing to go to the game. In fact, there’s more than 60,000 of them.

Personally, I don’t see why there’s a need for name calling. It’s hardly pathetic for people in an area that’s been hit harder than most by the down economy to choose to spend their money elsewhere. The fanbase in San Diego isn’t any less loyal or caring than in Washington, DC and Green Bay. Take a walk down the Gaslamp on game day, or even game week, and you’ll see hundreds of fans wearing Charger colors, shirts, and jerseys. Charger bumper stickers and license plate frames adorn cars on the freeway. Fans care. I’m even taking my spare time to write this article. Attendance isn't the only measure of true fandom, and people should stop acting like it is.

Blackouts suck. Fans don’t get to watch their team on TV. Sure, we have the radio, but it isn’t the same. Football is a visual sport, and it’s hard to follow on the radio. Even worse are the silly minutiae of the rules that result in nearly half of California being blacked out from Charger games, despite being hundreds of miles from San Diego. But let’s not go blaming or insulting San Diego fans. Things happen, and you can’t always afford to spend money on entertainment. We all wish we could support our favorite team by attending every home game, but the reality of the situation prevents that from happening sometimes. Instead of pointing fingers, let’s just do whatever we can to support our team, whether it’s by going to a game, wearing a T-shirt, or cheering while listening on the radio. That’s all we can do.

Comment 105 comments  |  12 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Beautiful, beautiful post

I can’t think of any way this would have been better. Terrific work. Thanks for reiterating my point yesterday about how a new stadium with less seating (but a similar amount of club and suite seating) will make it easier to avoid blackouts in the future.

"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe." - Dr. Leonard McCoy.

by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Sep 17, 2010 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I knew I stole that idea from someone

This post literally came out of me telling Zach that someone had made that fantastic point and that it needed to be expanded upon.

Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.

by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a line from Chainsaw's article about the balckout.
Adding to San Diego’s frustration is the knowledge that because Qualcomm was expanded to attract Super Bowls we’ll never get anymore, it’s now harder to fill.

A great, great line, and it’s true. Before the mid 90’s expansion, “the Murph” held about 62,000.

"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe." - Dr. Leonard McCoy.

by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Sep 17, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It probably should be mentioned...

The Raiders game, which is the only other game in California this Sunday, is going to be blacked out as well.

I love my team of historically talented underachievers.

by DoubleViking on Sep 17, 2010 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

People are quick to point out “But the Raiders have sucked for a long time!” Yeah well, they also have 8k less seats to fill than the Chargers.

Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.

by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Welcome to my world

Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.

by Amigo on Sep 17, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you

Thank you so much for putting this up, I’m so sick and tired of people around the country and even here are saying that those of us who aren’t going aren’t true Chargers fans.

Gaslamp Ball Game OT: "Makes you happy in the pants"

"Even Jedis don't stand a chance against our bullpen."

by tonoxtono on Sep 17, 2010 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s like, I’m sorry I guess I should turn it my flag and t-shirts and jersey and all my other Charger crap now, huh? You know, cause I’m not a true Chargers fan and all.

Gaslamp Ball Game OT: "Makes you happy in the pants"

"Even Jedis don't stand a chance against our bullpen."

by tonoxtono on Sep 17, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do you expect from someone who lives in DC but roots for the Cowboys?

Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate

by Richard Wade on Sep 17, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am going to the game

Who else is going? I. am. stoked.

(I think this is aimed toward the target audience, Chargers fans.)

"Savvy Chicks Dig the Bullpen"

by eastbaysd on Sep 17, 2010 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

You seem to be alright

No vague Cowboys references. No implied-Padres-fan references to Mike.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't

by Wonko on Sep 17, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boy, Andrew Sharp is a TOOL...

Quick #’s from a 5 minute Google search:
2009 Washington Redskins attendance:
91,704 capacity, 84,794 attendance, 92.5% filled
2009 San Diego Chargers attendance:
71,294 capacity, 67,543 attendance, 94.7% filled

Greater Washington area population (2008 census):
5,358,130
San Diego County population (2009 estimated):
3,053,703

San Diego COUNTY has 2 million less people, yet was able to fill more of their stadium last year than Washington and their 3rd best fan base. 1.6% of the Washington population attends games compared to 2.2% of the San Diego population.

by San Diego Viking on Sep 17, 2010 2:40 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

And that's with the Washington ownership

trying to screw little old ladies out of tens of thousands of dollars.

My name is Guybrush Threepwood, and I'm a mighty pirate.
"How appropriate! You fight like a cow!"
Faceless slider-tossing goofs FTW.

by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 17, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please watch the name-calling...

Besides Sharp is a Cowboys fan (who lives in DC).

Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate

by Richard Wade on Sep 17, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two points I'd like to make

One is the unavoidable “Show Me” clause. Some people may misconstrue this as falling under the heading of “fair weather fan,” but it’s not. I am a MONSTROUS Charger fan — have been for longer than most of you have been alive. But I have doubts and reservations — and Week 1 didn’t do a lot to alleviate those. I’d rather save my $200+ until the team is showing me something that makes me think this year is going to be any different. And I will not be bullied by ANYONE, especially not Andrew Flathead into spending my money!

Point 2: it’s not our fault that the league judges fan “loyalty” by how many tickets are sold by THURSDAY! I’m sorry — I don’t know what I’m doing 20 minutes from now let alone three days from now! Maybe on Saturday afternoon I’ll decide that I would like to plunk my money down on the game. I’m willing to bet anyone who attends that game on Sunday, based on the lines you’ll have to wait in, is gonna FEEL LIKE it’s a sell out. And it just might be! Don’t judge me, my loyalty to my team, or my fellow Charger fans’ loyalty because we don’t have a freakin’ social planner to organize our schedule by your billion-dollar network’s calendars!

by Andy (allfield) on Sep 17, 2010 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I live in Long Beach

Will I be able to see the game?

by bstew95 on Sep 17, 2010 3:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Not at home.

Santa Barbara or points north.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 17, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not with Los Angeles 45 minutes down the road

What road can (legally) get you to LA in 45 minutes? All the years I’ve wasted time stuck on the 5 or 15, and there was a secret, high speed shortcut with no traffic!

by CABurrito on Sep 17, 2010 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

He probably meant....

145 minutes.

Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.

by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

he must live in the future when the high speed train is built.

"Watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow."- Zappa

by QuesaDiaz on Sep 17, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want that future!

Imagine if there were 200mph+ maglevs going up the 5, 10 and 15, from here to SF, Vegas and Phoenix! That would be awesome.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 17, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really like this post, except for one thing

With a new stadium, blackouts would never be an issue.

I see the argument, but I still think (and worry) that a new stadium could be susceptible to blackout threats. Ticket prices are only going up, especially when we add in the PSLs which are likely going to be part of new stadium construction. And at every new stadium I’ve been to recently, the price of concessions has gone up as well. There will be fewer seats, but the cost per fan will increase and possibly hurt attendance.

I’d love for the NFL to at least partially waive the blackout rule if the people of San Diego are going to put down public money for a new facility. The pessimist in me sees a nightmare scenario where the public pays for new digs, and then every week the league continues to hold a gun to their heads to sell the place out, otherwise no Chargers for you.

by CABurrito on Sep 17, 2010 3:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Concessions

I was actually thinking that with all of the food/drink opportunities around the stadium (with gameday specials) that most people would be able to eat/drink for cheaper than they do now. If you have options besides the $11 beer and $8 hot dog at the game, wouldn’t you take it?

Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.

by John Gennaro on Sep 17, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

A good point

Might hold down prices inside the stadium a bit.

by CABurrito on Sep 17, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it will hold down prices within the stadium.

Petco food/drink prices are still up there. What it will do is give people a cheaper option right outside the stadium to eat at. Like they do now with Petco.

My name is Guybrush Threepwood, and I'm a mighty pirate.
"How appropriate! You fight like a cow!"
Faceless slider-tossing goofs FTW.

by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 17, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jewel box for super cheap pre/post padres. Plus all the drunk hobos you will ever need

by BORTZ on Sep 18, 2010 7:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Man, reminds me of when I was a student at City College.

They have/had great burgers.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 18, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

No PSLs

Fabiani has said repeatedly that the Chargers know that the market can’t support forcing season-ticket holders to purchase PSLs. It’s part of the reason that the potential public subsidy will be higher than expected.

"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe." - Dr. Leonard McCoy.

by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Sep 17, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well that's good I guess

Cuts down some of the cost. I still believe that the face value of the tickets will only go up.

by CABurrito on Sep 17, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the new stadium had 75,000 seats

but with about 20,000 of them priced lower than they are now, and the atmosphere was as good or better than now, do you think there would be any blackouts? I’m in the DC area. In fact, I can literally Jog into DC in 15 minutes if I don’t feel like driving for 5. I can walk around the block and see the Washington monument. And you know what? I’m the only one on my block with a Football team Sticker on my Car. The Redskins fanbase is stronger in DC and DC area Maryland, and even then, they share with Baltimore tremendously. VA seems to have more Cowboys fans and “other” teams fans. I’ve been to a Bmore game (2006 Chargers at Ravens) but refuse to go to a Skins game because the fans are jerks.

Need a hand? Call for help! Superduperboltman is here!

by Superduperboltman on Sep 17, 2010 3:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Probably not, an the proof is....

Have you ever gone to a Padres game? The $40-$60 tickets are almost always full. Look up to the $15 seats all the way to the top, and they are enitrely empty.

Like this article said, it’s the economy, small market, and the opposing team.

I would go to this game if I didn’t have to go to work, and it was any other team but the Jags.

by TecateBoltsFan on Sep 17, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

the team should buy those tickets back and lift the blackout

Yet, few teams, including the Chargers, make that move. As PFT notes, San Diego declined to fork over the $238,000 to prevent its blackout — a sum of money that seems insurmountable to most

by Guy Cohen on Sep 17, 2010 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

You're not using proper tenses there

The game IS blacked out. There is nothing that can be be done about it at this point. No one can step in. No one can save us. Its done.

No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't

by Wonko on Sep 17, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

At the rate they are going through long snappers, they gotta save every penny.

by CABurrito on Sep 17, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

They did that a few times last year

But I agree that they should continue to do it this year. Like I said on the boards yesterday, it’s not worth agitating the voting public 2 years before you ask for a massive public subsidy to get a new stadium built. Just write it off as a business investment (and for taxes, most likely) and move forward.

"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe." - Dr. Leonard McCoy.

by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Sep 17, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Once in the last 6 years. Thats nothing to complain about. Feel lucky you not in Iraq/Afghanistan.
No oppurtunity to watch the game either way.

by JohnAL on Sep 18, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Im there....

and yes i wish i could…..il be trying to listen to it threw the computer though….

WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!

by JaxBlaster on Sep 18, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't watch Jets/Pats.

I can’t bring myself to root for the injury bug.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 18, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can...

but being in Florida, I get to watch the Chargers.

by ThePower OfOne on Sep 19, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

One very important factor that you've missed and it seems like everybody else neglects to consider

Geography

San Diego is unique in that it has Tijuana to the south, the Pacific Ocean to the west, desert and mountains to the east and Camp Pendleton cutting us off from Orange and LA counties to the north. There is no population to draw from outside of San Diego. If you weren’t born inside this little island we call San Diego County than you’re not going to be a Chargers fan. As opposed to a team like Denver who pulls in fans from the entire state of Colorado or a team like the Cardinals who has all of Arizona. If we weren’t so close to the border or if the OC went right up next to Oceanside we would have a significantly larger population the draw from.

It’s almost like putting a team in Hawaii. Sure there are enough people that live there that they should be able to sell out a game. Until you consider that half the people that live there aren’t native(SD’s largest employer is the Department of Defense plus all the other transplants), there is no surrounding population to draw from, and anyone that doesn’t live there isn’t going to buy a ticket because it’s a pain in the ass to get there.

Sorry for rambling, marijuana is a helluva drug!

/rant

by Natrone Bomb on Sep 17, 2010 3:55 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Good point

Nicely said…

"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe." - Dr. Leonard McCoy.

by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Sep 17, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Los Angeles

Yet another reason I still believe the Chargers would be better off moving to Industry. Every year they can’t get something done in SD is another reason to move. Look, I love San Diego. It is an amazing town. But the geographic limitations are a big reason this problem exists. Look, the entire population of the San Diego Metro area is a little over 3 million (that in a radius of about 15-20 miles from Qualcomm). a 15-20 mile radius from the Industry stadium site hold about 3 times that many people. Stretching it to 25-30 mile radius (which San Diego doesn’t even have) and you get about 5 times as many people as Qualcomm’s area.

Yes, the LA/Orange/Inland Empire area is hit just as hard as San Diego by the economy… but the number of people who DO have the disposable income for a football game is still FAR higher there than in SD.

by Christopher Piper on Sep 18, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

You think San Diego is a fickle market? Try LA.

I think they should move to OC and rename themselves the California Chargers.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 18, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Southern California Chargers

My name is Guybrush Threepwood, and I'm a mighty pirate.
"How appropriate! You fight like a cow!"
Faceless slider-tossing goofs FTW.

by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 18, 2010 11:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

OMG... would THIS change your mind?

1) Chargers move to huge stadium in City of Industry, change name to California Chargers or SoCal Chargers, on the condition that…
2) Industry backers establish funding for high-speed rail lines going up I-5 and I-15, from San Diego to LA, SFO, Inland Empire, Vegas at triple-digit mph speeds, including some operation and maintenance costs.
3) These high-speed rail lines go right through the stadium, which at that cost had better be pretty damn radical.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 18, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

With no or minimal taxpayer backing.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 18, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

But probably a lot of Vegas funding

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 18, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do we want high speed rail lines again?

Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate

by Richard Wade on Sep 18, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

As Ted Leitner would say “These are MY San Diego Chargers.” If they move out of SD they’re just some fucking team to the north of me that I have no reason to care about. If they leave I wish nothing but the worst for them.

by Natrone Bomb on Sep 18, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh and some high speed rail line is about a thousand times less likely

to be built than a new stadium in SD. You’re talking about costs that would be far, far greater than any stadium.

by Natrone Bomb on Sep 18, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greater, but not far, far greater. And benefits that would be far, far greater.

You’d be able to travel between central districts in that radius much more quickly, safely and cheaply than driving is now. Commuters would save a fortune, and partygoers would save a ton of hassle.

I’ve got a sister in San Francisco. Driving now is 8 hours if I take the 5. At 400 miles, and 20 mpg, I’m burning 20 gallons of gas, @ $60. I’ve also got wear and tear on my car to consider. I might as well take the 1, spend a day and a half and $150+ wear, including a stop on the way, and enjoy the curves. Or I could fly, if I don’t mind putting up with obnoxious airports and airlines working in a model that obviously can’t be sustained, given that they have to act like obnoxious jerks all the time in order to stay profitable. There simply has to be an alternative.

If my football team used its billions and its connections to do something about a real domestic problem, I would back them forever, no matter where they move. Tijuana Super Chargers!

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 18, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

A high speed train like that would be just awesome.

Connect all of California, and run a line to Las Vegas. Eventually you could extend it up to Seattle. That would be great.

My name is Guybrush Threepwood, and I'm a mighty pirate.
"How appropriate! You fight like a cow!"
Faceless slider-tossing goofs FTW.

by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 18, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

that does sound like a great idea. California seems like one of the area in North America to make a project like that financially feasible. The current soft real estate market (I am assuming it is soft there) would help keep the costs down and as an environmentally friendly project I suspect California would qualify for enormous federal grants.

How do I break it to the cat that since he has been declawed, the rabbit he sees in our backyard would kick his sorry butt?

by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Sep 19, 2010 4:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you could get a lot of corporate contribution besides the Chargers.

On top of the proposed, publicly funded, line up the 5, it would be pretty damn easy to get a lot of Nevada money into the bargain, plus a low-nine-figure contribution from the team and stadium builders. After all, the biggest winner of a maglev network up the 5, 10 and 15 would be Vegas, though SoCal as a whole of course would get a lot of it.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 20, 2010 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

makes too much sense.

Quick extend more freeways and sell more cars!

by dulciusXasperis on Sep 19, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

High Speed Rail

Last year’s Prop 1A was passed, so the voters have actually already approved borrowing the money to build a north-south high speed rail line from San Diego to Sacramento and San Francisco. In fact, Arnold was in China last week stirring up investors (because lets face it, the Chinese are the only ones with the capital to invest in something like this). A Vegas Rail-line is also in the works, though it is a completely privately funded project stretching from Vegas to Victorville (High speed rail through Cajon Pass would be astronomically difficult)

By the way.. the rail trip from the San Diego station to the Industry station is about 1hr 4 minutes… though the station is proposed in downtown industry, so it’d be a 15-20 minute shuttle trip up to the stadium.

No reason to not start partying on the train on the wa to the game though.. ;-)

by Christopher Piper on Sep 19, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rail Map

Here’s a link to the interactive Rail map for hte california high speed rail authority: Link

by Christopher Piper on Sep 19, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mortgaged our draft?

I didn’t realized giving up a 2nd rounder was mortgaging our draft. Oh and I guess based on his first game alone apparently Mathews wasn’t worth it in this guys eyes, what a turd.

by Harsh_619 on Sep 17, 2010 4:38 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

great post Zach

i was hoping someone would mention the seating capacity of qualcomm. and by the way which the league said many years ago that we needed more seats to get a Superbowl here? which triggered the last renovation.

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Sep 17, 2010 5:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Maybe I missed it and I apologize if I did

But what’s the blackout number for the Chargers? Club seats don’t count towards a blackout so saying they need to sell out the 71,000 seat stadium is kind of inaccurate. How many club seats are there at Qualcomm?

Follow me on Twitter

by Adam Stites on Sep 17, 2010 7:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Club seats and suites

Qualcomm has 7,882 club seats, plus 113 suites out of a capacity of about 71,000 (I don’t know the suite capacities). I imagine the total number of seats for club and suites is close to 10,000. If you take away about 2,000? obstructed view seats, that means that 59,000 general admission tickets need to be sold to avoid a blackout.

"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe." - Dr. Leonard McCoy.

by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Sep 17, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Additionally...

If a new stadium downtown has an overall capacity of 62,000, and you have a similar number of club seats and suites, that would knock the blackout number down from 59,000 to about 52,000.

How many unsold tickets for this week? About 7,000. The key with the new stadium is to have temporary seating areas that can be added for the Super Bowl. Otherwise, in a stadium that better matches the market, the chances of blackouts decrease significantly – as long as the team is playing well.

"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe." - Dr. Leonard McCoy.

by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Sep 17, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right....

but thats unsold…..General bowl seats….not complete unsold seats…..you have to sell the General bowl seats to not have a black out…..Club seats dont count towards the black out. So witch means you guys sold about 52,000 seats.

WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!

by JaxBlaster on Sep 18, 2010 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s sad to see such low quality drivel on SB Nation.

Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate

by Richard Wade on Sep 17, 2010 8:35 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yea, but

good to see we have the only high quality board.

Need a hand? Call for help! Superduperboltman is here!

by Superduperboltman on Sep 17, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

be nice to Zach

"I suggest more bike" ~KSK

www.throughbucknerslegs.com

by justdave on Sep 20, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha

Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate

by Richard Wade on Sep 21, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great post, Zach

Rec’d

"Don’t get nervous. Norv is in charge."

creanium.net
Bolts from the Blue

by creanium on Sep 17, 2010 10:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I DON'T

comment very often but this one is soooooooo true. I grew up in San Diego and have since moved to south Georgia. I am as avid a fan as there is of any team like all of you. I hate the name we get as chrger fans and not supporting our team. I flew across country last year to watch the Jets debacle and I still love this team so blah to all the haters. I have bled blue and gold since Fouts was airing it out long ago. So Zach great post and know this charger fan will be watching from south Georgia this weekend which actually happens to be in the Jaguars market. Go figure!

by GABOLT on Sep 17, 2010 11:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I think SD’s biggest legit reason is the stadium. Qualcomm is a dump, no offense.

Welcome to the “MOVE THEM TO LA1!!!” club.

by Alfie Crow on Sep 18, 2010 5:51 AM PDT reply actions  

We've been in that club since the NFL told us

we wouldn’t be hosting anymore Super Bowls in the shit-hole known as the Murph. So going on about ten years now.

by Natrone Bomb on Sep 18, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think San Diego would get a Super Bowl

if they put capacity at 62,000 only? If not, I can’t see the city of San Diego supporting a project like that without the knowledge of the financial windfall every four to five years that a Super Bowl brings.

by Lancers46 on Sep 19, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Expandable stadium.

62k, can add another 10k-ish.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 20, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, and every 4-5 years is too much to ask.

There are a lot of warm-weather NFL cities. There are also a lot of cold-weather cities with indoor facilities. To top it off, the NFL seems willing to give a shot to cold-weather outdoor facilities.

Sorry, man, but a hot new stadium is worth 1-3 SBs.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 20, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

if they move to LA im rooting for the Lions

i am a SAN DIEGO Chargers fan. Not an LA Chargers fan

"I suggest more bike" ~KSK

www.throughbucknerslegs.com

by justdave on Sep 20, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ironic...

that LA has had several teams only to watch them leave……no one ever seems to dwell on that

by bo_shilo on Sep 18, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

$200

I would pay that to go see the Chargers play. I dont have that luxury. Its not a money issue. I am stationed in Afghanistan every other year and when home, I am deploying somewhere during football season. Its sad how Charger fans treat there team. Shameful. Feel lucky you have a team. They may not be there much longer. City of Industry?

by JohnAL on Sep 18, 2010 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

If you have NFL Sunday ticket is the game still a blackout?

My friend who owns a bar asked me, and truly I had no answer for him.

by TJBOLT on Sep 18, 2010 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes it is.

My name is Guybrush Threepwood, and I'm a mighty pirate.
"How appropriate! You fight like a cow!"
Faceless slider-tossing goofs FTW.

by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 18, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's my opinion on what might be the reason for the blackout

1) The Chargers lost to a team that has been notoriously bad for the past few years.

2) The Chargers are playing the Jaguars, a team so unpopular, a backup quarterback from their opponent’s team last week drew more attention than the team itself (and was most likely the reason sold out last week).

I’d say reason #2 had a bigger impact on the blackout. I went to the Jaguars -Chargers game last time it was in Jax, and there were giant tarps covering empty seats all over the stadium. Not a lot of people care to see the Jaguars play.

by Kame on Sep 18, 2010 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

My guess is

very few people made their ticket-buying decision between Monday and now.

My name is Guybrush Threepwood, and I'm a mighty pirate.
"How appropriate! You fight like a cow!"
Faceless slider-tossing goofs FTW.

by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 18, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did, but I didn’t decide against going to the game because of the loss to the Chiefs.

Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "Richard is a jewel." - Kid Nate

by Richard Wade on Sep 18, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

HOLLY...COW....

WOW…really….lol….you are so off base its not even funny on the #2 keep getting spoon feed by the brain washing media, why dont you ask the jags fans that actually showed up to the game and see why they were there, or why dont you check to see the at lease 200 jags fans coming to SD to watch the game….or why dont you see exactly how big the stadium is…i bet you didnt know that even with the tarps on the stadium that cover about 10k seats, the jags staduim stull holds all most as many fans as SD….before putting your opinion out there check facts before you sounds like a idiot.

WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!

by JaxBlaster on Sep 19, 2010 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here's what I think.

The Jags don’t bring a draw. People who moved to San Diego from northern Florida are mostly not Jags fans, because they mostly moved here before the team formed. So there’s no “away” market to speak of (some folks…).

In Jacksonville, there’s a market for the Jags; it consistently gets 2/3 of the way to a sellout. They have the same basic problem we do, though, in that they’re dependent on the star power of their opposition to draw the difference.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 20, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kudos on a well written article.

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on Sep 19, 2010 8:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Great article, here's another point, So Cal Cost of Living

1) Compensation compared to Cost of Living is horrific compared to most of the nation. I unfortunately do this for a living so I have to see it all the time. People are more than willing to take a much lower salary, and pay a lot more for rent, car, gas, etc. to live here. Why…SUNSHINE! Which then leaves a lot less funding at the end of the month to spend on going to a game or traveling.
2) Ofcourse people are going to come to San Diego to see their team, it’s San Diego, if I had the money I’d see the Chargers in amazing cities too…I personally am not going to Indianapolis in November (Cold). PLUS, most traveling fans know someone in SD and stay with them, that does not work out in reverse.
3) If anyone is arguing a fan base, take your head out of your ass and pay attention to the house parties and bars that are filled with Charger fans each game.

Again, great article, you hit a lot of points I didn’t think of when discussing this yesterday. GO CHARGERS! and GO FOOTBALL!

by LOVESD on Sep 19, 2010 8:59 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec.

Unless you’re a tailgater, going to football games is like paying for two hobbies.

An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 20, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

San Diego, like Jax

is home to Navy bases. I haven’t been in SD since I was a baby, but if it’s anything like Jax, then I’d say a large percentage of people aren’t from San Diego.

A lot of people in Jax are either midwesterners or yankees so team favorites are all over the place, from the Steelers to the…well actually there’s just a lot of Steelers fans here in Jax.

by Kame on Sep 20, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Blackouts - not fair.

I’m a Die-Hard Charger fan but unfortunately live in Kansas City. I went to the Monday night game in my Charger gear stood in the rain for most of the game. We didn’t get the game in KC because they didn’t show it, instead we got Denver :(.

I wish I could have been in SD to help sell out. I think they shouldn’t require it to be sold out or even a certain percentage. If as he says one teams stadium only has seating for 64000, or whatever is the lowest capacity for a stadium, that to me should be the standard across the board for all teams. If you have sold that many tickets you are considered a sell-out. If you sell more great but if you sell less then you get blacked out. Make the number even to be fair to all the teams. A team builds a small stadium to have an advantage, but along the same lines smaller stadiums aren’t probably going to get Super Bowl as easily as the larger one.

by Lisa G on Sep 20, 2010 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

actually not the smallest stadium but the average size.

by Lisa G on Sep 20, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Additional Factors

Padres are in the hunt for post season. Me being a baseball first guy, start of NFL is mostly secondary and makes for a fun Sunday\Monday. Baseball is all week. Baseball is also $12 for bleacher seats… That’s a huge price difference!

Additionally, Chargers always start slow and crank up late. Add in a loss last week, people don’t have the fever yet. It’s a 3 million person county supporting 2 teams. Few markets this size support 2 major sports teams. Add in surrounding area (LA) cares little for SD teams. In states like Kansas and Minnesota, they draw from 100’s of miles out, even in a smaller market. SD does not have that luxury.

It's better to be lucky than good.

by Myemail21479 on Sep 21, 2010 12:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Great Observation!

I mentioned the High San Diego Taxes. Highest Unemployment rate in years and living next to the Drug Cartell that probably killed off a good portion of the season ticket holders! We dont have many other options near by to attract fans except for the opposing team we play and they cant afford our high Ticket prices and taxes either!

by Karen Kirby on Oct 3, 2010 11:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


BFTB Apparel Store

Bftbshirtstore_medium

Facebook

Chargers on Twitter


Managers

Paddlin_small John Gennaro

Assistant Editors

Dont-panic-thumb_small Wonko

Pomeranian_of_war_small Richard Wade

Antonio_small creanium

Columnists

Sdclogo2_small Orz

Tn_small Jeff (sliderockmpc)

Wrong_small_small Superduperboltman

Screen_shot_2011-08-05_at_2 jkvandal