5 Bad Things: Chargers at Chiefs
by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 4:00 PM PDT
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Print1. Stupid Chargers Fans
Sigh, I was worried that with the first loss this would come and here it is. If you've been following along on twitter or even in some of our comments here at BFTB, you'll notice lots of people are trying to peg this loss on "A.J. Smith's ego" and the team not having Vincent Jackson, Marcus McNeill and Kassim Osgood. Let's go over this one last time:
- Marcus McNeill - I already wrote this one out. Please read this
- Vincent Jackson - I'll try to make this as brief as possible. VJax wants to be paid as the league's top WR. In 2009, far and away his best season, he ranked 10th in touchdowns, 9th in receiving yards and 30th in receptions. Add in two DUIs and two separate occasions where he ended up in cuffs during the NFL playoffs, along with a 3 game suspension from the NFL, and you could see why the team might be hesitant to make him the highest paid WR in football. Also, it shouldn't be overlooked that in 3 seasons as a starting WR Jackson has caught 60 or more balls only once.
- Kassim Osgood - Kassim wasn't going to stay here. Plain and simple. He wanted to be at least a top 3 WR, and the Chargers knew he wasn't better than Legedu Naanee, Malcom Floyd or Buster Davis. Getting one catch in his first game as a WR doesn't erase the doubts about his acceleration, route-running or hands. Chargers fans have to accept the fact that keeping Osgood was not an option.
2. Special Teams
Plain and simple, it was atrocious. Mike Tolbert, who was a special teams standout last season, was actually in great position to stop the Dexter McCluster run-back....but he slipped on the wet grass and fell over, leaving a big hole for McCluster to run through. Take away the rain and maybe it gets better, but that doesn't mean the Chargers shouldn't work on it. Kick coverage needs to get better. Mike Scifres needs to be sure to not out-kick his coverage. We haven't even gotten a chance to see Nate Kaeding kick, but there's that little bit of fear that it could be a disaster. If I had to put the blame of this game on one singular thing, it would be getting dominated on special teams all game.
3. Darren Sproles
This is part of the reason for #2. Sam mentioned in the open thread last night that Sproles probably got more "Dolts" than anybody else last season, and I think he might be right. For every big play Darren makes, there are about 7 or 8 that are just awful. He dances on punt returns, seems like he's looking for contact on kick returns and offers almost nothing as a runner out of the backfield.
4. Run Defense
Say what you want about the run defense "besides Charles' 56 yard TD", we said many times last year that a RB's numbers were reflective upon him breaking one or two big plays a game. The biggest difference in the game is that Charles made that one big play, that one big run, and Ryan Mathews fumbled away his chance.
One thing the run defense was actually goo at last season was not giving up the big run, and they're going to need to get back to that. Giving up 8.4 yards per carry to one of the starters is not going to cut it.
5. Pass Rush
I know Shawne Merriman wasn't there and if we're all optimists we're hoping that he comes back and dominates. However, if he doesn't return and dominate the Chargers might have a real problem on their hands. Matt Cassel, who notoriously holds onto the ball too long and gets sacked regularly, was taken down behind the line of scrimmage only once. Larry English got close only once all game. There were no safety or nickel CB blitzes called. Cassel had all day to throw, and it's part of what led to his handful of good passes.
I know this may be a little too simplistic for our environment here, but Ron Rivera's defense seems very boring. There's no big hits, not a lot of turnovers, no scaring the crap out of the QB. Compared to other 3-4 defenses around the league (Steelers, Ravens, Jets, etc.), the Chargers' D is incredibly vanilla and the zones in coverage can be torn to shreds by an accurate passer that has time to throw. I want more man coverage, more blitzes, more creativity and a look of fear in the eyes of opposing QBs.
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CMB?
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by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
CMB
CMB are the forums on Chargers.com. They are going crazy. There are about 5 threads being opened up every ten minuets they say something along the lines of: “A.J. Smith’s ego is ruining the team”, “We need VJ and MM or we wont be a contender”, and “We moved up in the draft for him??”
And UT as well
They are crazy there. They keep saying the VJ would have caught that pass. Even if we signed VJ he wasn’t going to play because of the suspension. There are a lot of ignorant SD fans on those sites. It’s much better hanging out here.
by Aussiecharger on Sep 14, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Slip or not Tolbert got schooled.
It was less an issue of slipping and more an issue of McCluster set him up to the outside with a stutter step and blasted inside. On dry grass Tolbert still doesn’t make that play. We saw that same setup/cut over and over in training camp and even our guys who knew it was coming couldn’t stop it.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
VJ
I would say he is a top5 wr and would pay him as such. Did anyone notice the Chiefs had Gates under triple-coverage the last play of the game? VJ’s absence was huge; I’ve yet to see him adequately replaced. Losing Cro, Osgood, and VJ did not make our team better.
by Bluelightning on Sep 14, 2010 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Losing Cro definitely made out team better.
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by Wonko on Sep 14, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Let's wait till the end of the season
and we’ll see which corner has the better season?
by Bluelightning on Sep 14, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, Cason was better through one game.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 14, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
And now better through two games. I don’t think this will wind up being much of a competition.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 20, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I've seen enough of Cro
And his attitude with the Chargers to know how he’d play. Cason doesn’t have a lot to live up to.
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by Wonko on Sep 14, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
did you happen to see the jets/ravens game?
cro is certainly not missed.
Osgood is the only one charger fans should miss. And even with that said, HE wanted a bigger part in the offense, and that just wasn’t going to happen. So HE went to a different team. Did you see the route he ran when he caught his ONE catch? I could’ve read that play. He isn’t a WR. He is a special teams beast.
Apparently
He’s one of the best run-blocking WRs in the league. So he’s got that going for him.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe that possible.
That explains why they like him in Jacksonville!
An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 14, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Except they are calling him a TE in Jacksonville
HAHA I think we missed Osgood the most last night, he would have no only tackled on punts but he would have downed a couple inside the 5
IMO
Completely agree - Osgood was a suprisingly key missing X factor
Do you remember the two or three punts in the SF preseason game when no one could get to the punt at the two yard line. Same thing in this game – no one to down the virtually perfect punts and no one in the face of the returner to tackle immediately after the catch. All of their punt returns were allowed to get to full speed before we were in position, giving their returner the advantage. ST and gap discipline lost this game for us. Maybe we should have used him as a TE to replace Wilson, who doesn’t seem to block well or catch it much.
by norcalboltfan on Sep 15, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
Are you trying to say that if VJ was signed but out on suspension that Gates wouldn’t have been triple teamed? Because that seems silly.
And, if you’re trying to say that he’ll get triple teamed down the road and the rest of the WRs won’t step up, well then I’d at least like you to wait the 3 games that VJ is suspended for. If the receivers don’t look like they can replace VJ adequately by week 4, then we can talk.
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what kind of dumb logic is that?
VJ was not on the field now or in the preseason games. Was the offense better? Did our other WRs step up? You dont need to wait until week 4, you have the preseason and our loss at KC to look at. At this point I would adamantly say no, we have not replaced VJ
by Bluelightning on Sep 14, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I know you arent trying to count presseason
I need to see another game, one without a sloppy field, pouring rain, and a basserker crowd
IMO
Preseason
Is that a joke?
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I hope so.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 20, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
And if CBD goes 8 for 140, then you HAVE seen him adequately replaced.
In other words, give it time.
VJ is good (when he’s sober), but he’s not even close to top 5. And he wasn’t even close to top 10 the year before last. Who’s to say Legs or M80 or CBD won’t be thought of as “top 5” by the end of the year?
by Andy (allfield) on Sep 14, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
so rec'd
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by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone needs to forget the VJ crap.
It is not about what VJ can or can’t do, it is about one of the WRs on the team stepping up and making the big play when it needs to be made and taking some of the defenses attention away from Gates. I think Floyd can and will do it, now he just needs to on a regular basis.
Also it is not about somebody going 8 for 140, it is about somebody making the big catch, or tough catch, when it needs to be made.
VJ is not here, lets not worry about him. I don’t want to wonder each week if the Chargers would have won the game if VJ was on the team, I want the Chargers to win.
Cro got torched on MNF
He made one easy pick, but other than that, they threw at him all night. Plus he got drew two penalties. It was awesome to watch.
Other than #1, I would agree with you on all accounts
And I would go further to welcome any and all dissenting opinions. They’re a much fresher perspective than blind optimism.
As for #1, you must forgive some fans their trespasses. It’s certainly not a sign of intelligence or lack thereof. It’s a sign of loyalty mixed with frustration and a dose of anger. But their opinions are no worse or offensive than myopic positivity that we’re subjected to after a victory.
by Andy (allfield) on Sep 14, 2010 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
well said
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Maybe I'm just being a homer
But I think dealing with the conditions will only make this team better. They’re going to have to deal with tough environments all season long. If this game makes Hardwick (and the team) play better in a loud stadium in the snow in January, then it will be well worth the early loss.
I agree.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 15, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
agree with everything
but you have to admit, having jackson would have made it easier for the other receivers to catch more than 10 of the 24 passes thrown their way. It also would have made the chiefs respect jackson’s presence. Now other teams will try to do what the Chiefs did defensively to slow down the passing attack.
by Superduperboltman on Sep 14, 2010 5:02 PM PDT reply actions
Argh
Jackson is suspended. No way, no how he plays against the Chiefs.
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well yeah obviously,
but just a general thought.
by Superduperboltman on Sep 14, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny thought
I just watched the first 5 minutes of the first quarter, before the rain started, and the offense did exactly what it wanted to. Passes to Naanee and Gates, run with Mathews. The drive only died because Hardwick blew the snap (and was terrible blocking, but Dielman was helping him) and Floyd didn’t hold onto the ball.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Why was Hardwick so bad this game?
I thought he was supposed to be one of the shining lights coming out of the preseason.
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That makes some sense
But can’t they have contingency plans for something like that?
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Yes they can
But in the shotgun it’s next to impossible. I mean consider you are the center you have to look forward, and between your legs to snap. It’s hard to do both at the sametime
IMO
Plus I am thinking they got up the the line late on many plays
It didn’t seem like much time transpired from line up to penalty flag. The crowd noise was probably slowing things down at every step in the process.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 15, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotta fix that, gotta fix it NOW.
After this Jax game, we’re playing a lot on the road, including Indy, Houston, Oakland and Seattle.
An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 15, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
My guess
1. He’s rusty. Don’t forget he really only played about 2.5 games last season.
2. He put on something like 40 lbs in the offseason. It’s possible that he’s not as quick as he once was and he’s not adjusting well to it.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh-oh.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 14, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
He's listed at 305. That's like 10-15 lbs gained.
Is that accurate? He can’t put on 40 pounds and expect to play the same way. But if he’s just up to the listed weight, I’m not so concerned.
An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 15, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Cassel didnt have all day to throw
In fact the Chargers were blasted him so hard the first couple possessions, everything became a 3 step drops. I mean the guy averaged less than 7 yards a completion
IMO
I find it hard to fault the pass rush when the opposing QB gets under 3YPA.
An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 14, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too if a QB
Has not even 7 yards a pass it’s hard to fault the pass rush. I think the D was solid. My problems were STs of course both covering and returning, playing calling at the end, and missed/dropped passes
IMO
totally agree
It didn’t seem like Cassell had much time to throw at all. I thought the line was doing a really good job pushing the pocket. Not sure if it was Garay, but one of the NT’s was really pushing the pocket where it looked like Cassell had no room to step into a throw. I immediatley dropped Cassell as a back up fantsy QB as it appeared they just were not going to be able to protect him. If the ball isn’t turned over inside the 20 they’re never in position to throw the one TD.
Phillips had the big sack.
With the exception of the one big run from Charles I thought the DEF and the D line looked good.
I noticed their OL could do very little up the middle.
They broke some nice runs, but except one or two plays, it was all RB talent. If Charles gets hurt, they’re in trouble.
An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 15, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I noticed the same thing
I’m giving some props to Garay for that.
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I swore I saw strickland come on a blitz…and get picked up instantly
by BORTZ on Sep 14, 2010 5:51 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
They werent throwing the ball down the field
There’s a reason we didnt bring pressure, there is no point with a bubble screen or a 3 step drop
IMO
I was justresponding to john’s comment about not blitzing db’s.
by BORTZ on Sep 14, 2010 8:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
As far as the Receivers...
I don’t think its important for Floyd or Naanee or CBD to go 8 for 140 at all.
The more important thing is to strike balance. If all 3 of them go 4 for 60 plus or minus 1 catch and the occasional deep bomb, Gates will continue to go 7 for 90 or 10 for 120 and it will open up the field for Running, and screens. The way I see it, for one of them to go 8 for 140, either Rivers would have to force them the ball a LOT, or they would have to start playing at an Andre Johnson like level out of nowhere.
by Superduperboltman on Sep 14, 2010 6:06 PM PDT reply actions
i agree with pass rush
pass rush was very mediocre. i want to see more blitzing especially from the safeties. If english doesn’t get 1 sack in the next 4 games, i will consider him non-starter material.
maybe part of the reason why the linebackers can’t get in is because our DE’s were a below mediocre.
Also, I would like to see some slot play from crayton.
You didn't see much pass rush for one or more of four reasons.
1) The pass rush isn’t very good. The DL get no pressure, freeing up OLs to take on OLBs, instead of making the skill players do it. The OLBs, for their part, aren’t athletic enough to smoke an OL, so they get overpowered. On top of this, English is not a credible rushing threat. Phillips is, but he alone is not enough.
2) The opposing offense couldn’t throw the ball. This means they will hand it off or dump it off. This doesn’t make it easy to get sacks. FWIW, Cassell was running for his life. He was just doing it more-or-less successfully (if, by successfully, you mean not giving up sacks and ints).
3) The opponent had speedy, shifty RBs. Backfield penetration may or may not be a good thing. Remember that twelve-yard run in Q4, where it looked like we stopped Charles for no gain, but he got to the outside for 12 yards?
4) The conditions favored the offense over the defense in pass protection. Defenders had to explode off of slippery turf, while OLs mostly just had to stand there and fight.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 14, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
My point
Is that three of those are situational. #3 will apply next week, too.
An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 14, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Crayton
I expect that Crayton will get a few more looks next week. He has this week to practice with the team and as he get’s more familiar with the playbook he will see more game time and will be a bigger factor.
I would replace #1
Silly fans are merely annoying, and is not the team’s fault. In its place:
1) Hardwick. This has to be Nick Hardwick’s single worst game ever. Center is a position with a low upside and a high downside. When the center is doing great, that’s a good thing, but he won’t win you the game by himself. When the center fails, you lose. We love Hardwick because he’s reliable. But….
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 14, 2010 7:12 PM PDT reply actions
Oh and on this list of bad things
Has to be Kadeings kickoffs. They are borderline pathetic. He is costing us like 70 yards of field position per game
IMO
Worth a mention
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by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Well damn
I jokingly call one poster here an idiot & I’m a jackass.
John calls Charger fans in general stupid & his sh!t smells like roses.
Screw you all. I told you that picking Ryan Mathews over 2 high-round defensive picks was a bad move, but no ….. a running game would make it all better.
The joke is on this place. Enjoy your little club.
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Robert Hunter
He didn't call fans stupid,
he called out the “stupid” fans. The ones that only criticize like they know what’s better for the team. The ones making silly comments on impossible actions like having jackson in the game despite 3 games of suspension or Osgood having never been a good receiver in SD so him choosing to leave. The fans that want to put their thoughts and skewed logic into results irrelevant to the real issues. I was the one you called an Idiot, and you were called out because it was unnecessary. Because I stated a fact and you wanted to infuse your opinion negatively. You wanted people to have thicker skin to words, yet you want to throw a grenade in the room and run away. Well the “door” is open for you to run out, but the grenade was a dud. If you prefer, you can just take the writing here for what it’s worth: community discussion between a fanbase with the same love of the game.
by Superduperboltman on Sep 14, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
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by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think smell of John's shit has something to do with his diet.
I am happy with the Mathews pick.
If I am in a “little club” can I have a membership card and learn the secret handshake?
And I have no idea if you are a jackass or not, you seem like an o.k. guy to me.
Not sure what this is all about
But John calling random fans who want to blame AJ stupid, is just as dumb as you little club blast. I mean please by all means explain what the hell you are talking about so I can understand. If you are upset about John calling fans dumb for having a recycled take on AJ then please by all means join the little club within the club that thinks thats retarded.
IMO
Yeah, ummm....
I have a bad memory and all, but I don’t recall you being called a jackass.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Are there club jackets?
May I have one?
by Its Mikey!! on Sep 15, 2010 12:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
sproles
I remember sproles used to be electric on punt and kick returns! I haven’t seen anything close to a good return in a while from him.
There's a reason most return guys
completely drop off the face of the earth after a couple years
IMO
This
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It was silly to franchise him a second time.
An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 14, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes it was
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by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Another slow start!
Big Surprise Charger fans! I did not see the game but, was pissed to hear of the same problems IE: stupid penalties, Rivers sacked twice, lousy special teams playing, (I will give a pass on Mathews due to his being a rookie and nerves), heard he did OK until his fumble. Chiefs have definately improved but, the Chargers always start off slow………
My silver lining on this season is that "I WANT THE CHARGERS TO WIN ENOUGH GAMES TO CHALLENGE FOR THE AFC WEST CHAMPIONSHIP and go on to barely win the division and sneak into the play-offs. That is right! I say it first on here (Every time they dominate and make it to the play-offs and get homefield advantage, they choke.)
Time to shake it up I think………..
by iliketowinallthetime on Sep 15, 2010 2:18 AM PDT reply actions
Holding AJ responsible for team performance is perfectly reasonable
Without getting into the “ego” debate, AJ handpicked the coaches and players on this team. Of the paid Charger employees, there is no one more responsible for how the Chargers perform, win or lose.
Having said that, I don’t see the addition of MM, KO, or VJ (even if he wasn’t suspended) having a huge impact on the KC game (with the possible exception of KO on special teams). And Monday’s performance proved the wisdom of parting ways with LT and “Pointy” Cromartie (he might improve if he starts pointing that finger in the mirror).
It was a nutty game with an uncharacteristic performance from SD. The Chargers once again start the season with a whimper — the more things change, the more they stay the same. Anybody who thinks the season is threatened after the first game either has a very short-term memory or hasn’t been a fan of this team for very long.
Since 2006, our only 0-1 start was 2008, when we went 8-8.
Yeah, 4-2 to 14-2, 1-3 to 11-5, 4-8 to 8-8, 2-3 to 13-3, but except for that one 8-8 year, the rest opened on a W. Just sayin’.
An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 15, 2010 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions
This Proves Nothing
People, please learn the proper use of statistics and history. They mean almost nothing in the present. The past is exactly that – the past. To use a simple illustration. If I stood in front of you with a coin and flipped it 9 times and every single time it landed on heads rather than tails, what would the chance be that it would land on heads the tenth flip? The answer is 50%, just like every other flip. Statistical history proves absolutely nothing. It is simply a record of what happened. It never, ever proves what will happen.
I am not talking about looking at past actions by players or abilities of players and coming to reasonable assumptions about how they will perform in the future. I am talking about these random stats that we love to throw out that prove almost nothing.
by BoltfromBoston on Sep 15, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree. Replying to stupid question with stupid answer.
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 15, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Will this game be replayed?
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 15, 2010 8:16 AM PDT reply actions
I'd love to play it again, personally.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 15, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know what I mean.
“… Aww. That pass looked like it would connect. Let’s check the replay, Bob.”
“And here’s the… no, he didn’t make it that time either, Jim.”
An autumn Sunday,
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Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 15, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
It will
The 4 I see up for replay are: DET vs CHI; GB vs PHI; SD vs KC; DAL vs WAS
by zelkolnikov on Sep 15, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I think I remember Kevin Acee saying that NFLN would replay it and there you go.
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Uncharacteristic?
“It was a nutty game with an uncharacteristic performance from SD”
Unfortunately this isn’t true. It was a characteristic performance for the team. Silly penalties, bad clock management, vanilla and more importantly predictable offense, with the defense giving up big plays in crucial moments of the game. What part of the performance was a surprise? It’s a fairly consistant replay of the way this team has performed in their losses over the course of the last four seasons.
The team lacks discipline, organization and leadership and that is a persistent trend that needs to be addressed.
Not VJ's Performance, but Reputation
I agree with John’s take on the whole VJ, MM, KO debate. I seriously doubt that VJ or MM would have made any real recognizable difference in the game. I doubt VJ would have caught all those passes. Where I do think the difference comes in is the issue of his reputation or respect. Last season he did play at a very high level, and I even remember a whole article by John (I believe) going through his stats and arguing that he was one of the best WR’s in the league. So don’t pull back from that. He is good, and we shouldnt’ deny it.
But what I saw on Monday was that they felt that they could triple team Gates and not worry about Floyd, CBD, or the other WR’s. Now, unfortunately for us, this game it worked. They missed several catches. The point I am making is that if VJ had been there (which there is no way he would have with the suspension) he may have made a difference simply in the defensive game plan for KC. So, while I don’t think we need VJ back, we should expect other teams to disrespect our WR’s until they prove differently. At this point they haven’t shown much . That is what must change.
by BoltfromBoston on Sep 15, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions
Agree with most
- - some fans ARE stupid. Especially the ones blaming the best GM in football. McNeil would’ve helped? Really? How many times did PR get harrassed from his blind side in the game? I think Dumbo did a great job. VJ? Maybe he helps, maybe he doesn’t (even if he was eligible to play). Considering the overwhelming lack of interest from every other team in the league to meet his price, I’d say maybe, just maybe AJ is right on VJ’s worth. Osgood? Can’t add anything to what you said, that was perfectly stated. Bottom line is, this offense should score more than 2 TD’s against the KC defense any day of the week. But for some reason, everybody’s offense looked pretty weak in week 1.
- - special teams sucked and sucked big, no 2 ways around that.
- - Sproles total non-factor. Some fair catches on some kicks that he probably should’ve taken a chance on. With a crappy field, coverage has a hard time reacting sometimes (see the Chargers ST’s).
- & #5 – Defense I thought was OK but unspectacular. The special teams put them in some real bad spots. English really needs to start doing something though. He’s a 1st rounder, time to start playing like one. I think counting on Merriman to come back is wishful thinking. Ongoing injuries & piss poor attitude makes me think he’s at best a thin shadow of his former self. I think Rivera needs to pull his head out and go to an attacking defense. We have the athletes but they seem to keep getting reigned in by scheme.
My vote for guy who’s consistently very good but gets practically no recognition, Quentin Jammer.
For 5 years now, Jammer’s been good enough that you usually don’t have to mention him.
Anyway, English will do better on dry turf. His relatively small feet make it hard to move in mud.
by Superduperboltman on Sep 15, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
The 94-yard return was 90% talent, 10% conditions. The consistent suckiness of our ST on both sides of the call … well, we have another game against a very similar opponent next week, in what should be better weather. After that, we’ll know what to make of this excuse. And an excuse it is.
An autumn Sunday,
Perched in front of the big screen,
Beer in white knuckles.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 15, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
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