5 Good Things: Chargers at Chiefs
This is an idea blatantly stolen from Arrowhead Pride, who have been doing it forever. Basically, the day after the game Joel Thorman tries to look at the game from both an optimistic and pessimistic point of view. He does this by trying to find 5 good things about each game, and then 5 bad things as well. I've always wanted to give it a shot, so here goes.
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1. The Running Game has been Improved
Do you want proof of this? Okay, let's start off with the conditions. Running in the rain is always tough because the field gets slippery, but it's made even more difficult when the rain is so heavy that your team can't throw the ball and the defense can key in on the running back. Add in the fact that it's Ryan Mathews' first game and he's in probably the loudest stadium he's even been in, and the kid did pretty good. Here's his line:
Right now you're saying to yourself, "Not great, not terrible". The thing is, as I've always stressed in the past, expectations should be set by what was and progress should be applauded.
So...how many times did Tomlinson get 75 or more rushing yards in 2009? ONCE?!? Okay, well that's been matched. Maybe it was just cause we threw the ball too much. How many times did he rush for at least 3.9 yards per carry in 2009? Only twice?!? This can certainly be called progress and should certainly be applauded.
2. Legedu Naanee's Breakout Season?
Yes, he had a key drop late in the game and his long touchdown pass had more to do with Antonio Gates than it did with him, but Naanee had himself a heck of a football game last night. Although Brandon Carr was doing a fantastic job on Malcom Floyd, Naanee came out looking like Philip's most reliable receiver.
Since he sortof fits the Vincent Jackson mold of strength, speed and hands better than Floyd does, perhaps this could eventually lead to Floyd going back down to #2. Either way, the more reliable receivers Philip has (and it appears they're all pretty good), the better off the offense will be.
3. The Defensive Secondary Was Good
All of the Chiefs WRs combined equaled up to 2 catches for 27 yards last night. That was it. Chris Chambers spent the game trying to fight off Antoine Cason, and Dwayne Bowe was blanketed on nearly every play by Quentin Jammer. Did it help that Matt Cassel was inaccurate with the football? Absolutely it did, but that doesn't mean that the secondary (that many people were worried about) wasn't terrific.
On a related note, Antonio Cromartie played like Antonio Cromartie and the Ravens picked on him all game long. He was a very big factor into why the Jets lost their game last night, and now we can look at similar situations (vs. Chambers, with Cassel as QB) for Cason and Cromartie and say "Hmm....maybe this was a good idea." Don't forget, Chambers abused Cromartie last season for 7 catches, 70 yards and a TD.
4. Kevin Burnett Played Well
Not that he played poorly when he was on the field in 2009, but he seemed to play better than that and walked away from the game healthy (as did Buster Davis!). His coverage skills were fantastic, and his run defense was very good as well. The high hopes I had for him last season have returned.
5. Antonio Garay is a Monster
When people ask me "Who is this guy?" or "Where did this guy come from?" The honest answer is that I have no idea. Connections mean everything and we should be thankful that Ron Rivera knew this guy from years ago, because he has looked completely dominant in the preseason and last night. The same way Jamal Williams, and the double-teams he forced, was the key to the Chargers defense being good in the past, Antonio Garay and the double-teams he required was the key to San Diego's D looking good last night.
If this guy can stay healthy, and continue to require double-teams, and play like the beast he's been the last few games now, that could do wonders for the Chargers defense and therefore playoff chances.
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yeah that works
I like Naanee and I hope RM24 gets a chance to run and score like the beast I know he is. Personally I thought our d line wasn’t pressuring enough but that’s just cuz I want to see them kill the QB every play,maybe I’m being to harsh on the front 7. All in all this does make you feel confident for the next game.
Front 7 sucked
Cesaire was pretty awful, Castillo was almost non-existent, and outside of Burnett and Phillips the LBs were garbage.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
and who knows what kind of a factor SM56 will make if any when he returns
I hope he beasts it,but that’s just me again being optimistic.
I didn't get to watch English in coverage
All I know is that he had a real tough time beating anyone in the pass rush.
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I thought he was solid
Saw him draw lots of doubles. Copper looked hobbled towards the end. I want to see more B Si
IMO
Yeah
Cooper getting hurt again is a big disappointment. He’s better than Siler when healthy. But, we’ve already gone past that point now.
He’s a captain though. The teammates probably wouldn’t like his benching. He also gets people lined up in the right spots, which we can’t really measure. It was a little different to try to defend him on that when the D wasn’t playing well. But, they were decent in this game and it may have something to do with him being out there even if he isn’t making plays himself.
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To summarize: mixed feelings on the issue.
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not for me
Coop is valuable in his leadership, but wasn’t Donald Butler drafted partly because of his smarts? In time, I’m sure he could be just as good as Cooper in pre play setups, and, like Siler and Burnett, more effective in coverage and run support.
by Superduperboltman on Sep 14, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
They can still make him a starter this year
And just pull him except on obvious passing downs.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 14, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree completely
It’s weird, because the defense played really well without him for 2-3 plays, but they also seemed completely lost as to who should be calling plays and where everyone should be lined up.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
They need to learn how to play without him.
He’s been a fixture for the entire Turner era.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 14, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't see a single snap where Cesaire held his ground
he got straight abused last night. To his credit he was double-teamed on the TD run by Charles, but both other plays on that drive he got pushed out of his gap as well…Johnson looked much better than Cesaire.
How about CBD?
He looked pretty good. And he’s still healthy. Me likey.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 14, 2010 12:14 PM PDT reply actions
Yep he did make the one long catch
I didn’t like the aligator arms on the over thrown balls though. Come Craig! Maybe it is out of reach, but at least jump for it so we know that you really had no chance to make the catch. I do believe several of CBD’s misses were out of reach.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 14, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
except the possible game-tying one at the end.
on 1st and goal. he fell. can’t do that. Focus is key.
by Superduperboltman on Sep 14, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
That's where the wet field came into play.
Happened a bunch of times.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 14, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Lot's of guys slipped all night
That was a bummer. The game could have been tied right there. OT, we win the game. They couldn’t do anything on offense the second half.
Not if you had to kickoff
just saying, we’d be in field goal position on the kickoff return alone
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Through one game
And he isn’t hurt. That has got to count for something.
by Its Mikey!! on Sep 14, 2010 12:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I like to bash me some CBD...
But I can’t bash him for falling down in that goal line situation.
Now if he had come up limping!!!!!!
by Trendsearcher on Sep 14, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the defense played very well
I mean look at the numbers, yeah they gave up one huge run but so what. They did their job. Tucker needs to be deactivated he sucks and cant cover a punt. And the Chargers need to find a way to have both Martin and Thomas active on gamedays I dont care what two DL they sit. Also I hated the playing calling on the last series, thought we should have just gone heavy and pounded the rock, the 3 passes and a draw just pissed me off
IMO
Tucker needs to be replaced with Lang ASAP
How long is it going to take the decision-makers to understand this? I don’t know, but its been too long already.
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It blew my mind
That Tucker was active and Lang was not. I know I’m not at the practices, but give him a shot. Tucker was invisible.
by Its Mikey!! on Sep 14, 2010 12:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed if only for STs value alone
I mean I dont care who is out there as the 4th OLB anyways cause the odds of them getting meaningful snaps is small. But somebody needs to act like they want to cover a &%* kick. B Land has freakin deserved that shot
IMO
IIRC correctly
Lang was a standout in coverage units at Troy and in the All Star games. I could be misremembering though.
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I was surprised that he wasn't on the active roster for that reason.
Although, it seemed like the Chargers were keeping their rookies inactive almost on principle (Mathews being the exception).
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Yeah
Lang looks like a monster to me.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Sep 14, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
There wasn't time to keep running it.
They had to throw at least three times. Even at that, they still had to use a timeout.
There was like 1:45 left
Thats enough time to run it four times in a row, especially with a timeout
IMO
5 indeed, and one more thing
Scifries had amazing punts. If the coverage unit was as effective as his punting, there would have been 3 punts downed inside the 5, as opposed to a 94 yard return and 2 touchbacks. Osgood is missed indeed.
1-running is better. The line looks healthy and strong (sans for a few breakdowns) and the secondary blockers are a little improved from last year. Also, even though the rain makes it harder to run, the guys defending are also wet on a wet field, so it goes both ways.
2-Hope he can get 1000 yards somehow
3-Secondary was good indeed, but less than average on run support. Though all big runs went towards gregory and off guard middle in general.
4-well said
5-I really like Garay. Almost every play it was him, El Toro, or Phillips getting the double team
by Superduperboltman on Sep 14, 2010 12:23 PM PDT reply actions
One knock on the kid
Mathew’s fumble was the difference in the game. They might be still playing right this minute if he hadn’t put the ball on the ground.
They took that ball away from Ryan. But they used to try and take it from LT too. Let’s see how Mathews progresses with the fumbles, so far it is not so bad.
That fumble is exactly the type that scouts predicted he'd be prone to
It might be a good thing that he learned that lesson in such a hard way, but so early on. Better now than a playoff game.
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The fumble was fine
The STs play is what upset me. That and the noise and rain really combined to stifle the passing game
IMO
Seems to me
Both the ST and the fumble are correctable. And one maybe something that the Chiefs will prove to be dominant at (maybe).
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Oh yes it is all very correctable
We are talking about only a few break downs. Even the big run – they can fix that. They were major deals, but I think they can be fixed without too much difficulty.
Overall the Chargers played very well on O and D.
by Trendsearcher on Sep 14, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is really why I'm not worried about the Chargers.
In fact, I feel better now than I did before the game.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 14, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
"I feel better now than I did before the game."
Weird, huh?
My biggest concern was that the defense wouldn’t be able to keep us in the game if the offense struggled. However, quite the opposite happened. That leaves a lasting impression moreso than anything else that happened in this game.
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My thoughts exactly.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 14, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Same here. They looked better than I expected them to.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 14, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes his fumble was A difference in the game
but so was botched ST coverage, and so was a lapse in gap control on the defense to give up the long TD to Charles.
Mathews’ fumble wasn’t the ONLY thing that went wrong last night…
A couple of times with Mathews
I was amazed that he’d going into a pile and he’d come out the other side. I have no idea how a man that big (5’11 220 lbs is big in my book) squeezed his way through a pile of 300 lb men. Obviously, it’d be cooler if he came out the other side standing up. But, I’m not even sure Mr. Fantastic could pull off that feat.
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by Wonko on Sep 14, 2010 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah he did have some great leg drive
On a few of those you just saw the pile kind of move a yard or so before the tackle. They guy runs with some serious power!
by Trendsearcher on Sep 14, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Very true
on a couple plays he was already up and returning to the huddle after coming through the opposite side of the pile and all the DLinemen and OLinemen were still at a stalemate and thinking he was in the pile…he definitely seems like a slippery fella when running between the tackles.
Yikes
-14.5% DVOA for Mathews. Some of that is the fumble. Some of that is, uh, not.
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Gates #1 in DYAR for TEs (just ahead of Mercedes Lewis, whose DVOA is insane)
Naanee was 9th in DVOA and DYAR for WRs.
Floyd and Buster were both very much in the negatives. Floyd’s catch rate was Chambers-like 25%. Davis was 50%. Naanee was a quality 63%.
Oh, and I guess that’s really just the VOAs since the stats aren’t defense adjusted.
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Yeah I saw that.
Sample size and such.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Sep 14, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
It is what is
That’s what happened. Not saying anything about the future. Just commenting on the results.
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When is Tolbert going to start to get 10 carries
I mean every game he gets the ball I always feel he should have seen it more
IMO
Tolbert VOA
159.6%
I imagine they are going to use him more for holding a lead.
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My feeling is
That he was probably supposed to be a bigger part of the second half game plan, but that things didn’t work out where they wanted to call running plays. They saw the rain clear up and thought Rivers could win it for them.
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I thought using Tolbert was pretty smart
In those conditions you need to go straight ahead. Who better than Tolbert?
Not sure when we are gonna play in mush again, but when we do…. MORE TOLBERT!
by Trendsearcher on Sep 14, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Even without the mush
I think more Tolbert is necessary. You can’t run with Mathews all the time. And if you want to get consistent chunks running the ball, then Sproles is definitely not your guy. Sproles is too boom or bust.
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More Tolbert, less Sproles.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 14, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Chargers defensive VOA
-8.9% (negative is a good thing).
Pretty good considering the depressing projection of 16%.
Offense was also in the negatives and special teams, well, abysmal is problem a good word.
Chiefs’ offensive and defensive VOAs were very average, but their ST performance was the best in the league for week one.
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Explanation on bad offensive VOA (as if it needs one)
Fumbles hurt (3 fumbles by us)
Incompletions hurt, especially ones on third and fourth down.
The 4 failures inside the 10 to try to tie the game hurt. Really hurt.
Running game wasn’t anything special (take away the fumble and it comes out better, but still probably not above average).
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That last one is probably the most controversial
I suggest going back and seeing how many running plays were helping us get into good chances to get another first down, how many running plays got us a first down and how many running plays got us a touchdown. Its probably not a good ratio.
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I'm sure not too many running plays got us a first down
Since almost every running play was on first down.
This is true, and I knew this when I said.
Still, it was worth mentioning that those types of runs are important ones.
I assume that looking at the running plays would mainly be about the first down runs and did they set the Chargers up for good down and distance to help convert to a first down.
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I’d like to see a little more variation with when we run. It got to the point where every series, it was just 1st down run, 2nd down pass, 3rd down pass and the defense seemed to know it. Luckily that Rivers guy is pretty good.
and yet oddly
Mathews never got stopped for a loss…they knew what was coming and it was still 3-4 yards a carry for Mathews.
I never saw him on the field.
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Great question. I think he was active.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 14, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
There were a few players missing from action last night. Crayton, Vaughn Martin, Cam Thomas are the most obvious ones. Getting Siler in for only 2 plays was a little shocking.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Martin and Thomas were inactive.
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I'd rather see Martin in there than Cesaire
he may get dominated like Cesaire did but at least Martin has upside…and Garay did well but I wouldnt mind seeing Garay and Thomas in at the same time…he would at least hold his ground better than Cesaire.
I can understand wishing for Martin
But Thomas wouldn’t understand the responsibilities for a position he hasn’t played.
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Crap
This is what I get for being sick.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 14, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh
And I had never seen 3 players lineup across from one, like what happened to Gates a couple times. Excluding maybe a punt.
IMO
I know
I about fell out of my seat when I saw that. How another receiver didn’t come open is beyond me.
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by Wonko on Sep 14, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Other receivers were open
Rivers just didn’t trust them to catch it apparently. Or maybe he just thought they would slip and fall again.
That doesn't make sense
He ended up throwing it to receivers other than Gates and never to someone that was open. On the 3 passing plays at the end he threw it to Davis, Floyd and Floyd again.
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Davis was wide open on 1st down.
No one was guarding him when he fell. There was a safety (I believe) behind him who came up on Floyd.
The other two times it looked like he was just looking either Gates or Floyd.
The field was horrid
The rain, the noise all came together and still barely slowed down the offense
IMO
I didnt feel
bad when they lost, because the chargers and chiefs play each other all the time so it ain’t really nothing compared to seeing an improved chargers team. Defense looks better except the pass rush I hope merriman can beast FINALLY.
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Secondary - no love for Weddle?
I was doubtful when John G was talking up Weddle in the back-and-forth with AP – I thought he’d maybe he’d be ok… and possibly “good”.
But I was pretty impressed with his play. He looks like he will be a good safety for SD for a long time. That secondary might be great after all with Cason, Jammer and Weddle.
I guess you’ll have to take another look after you play a team with a real passing attack. KC basically turtled up after they got a lead – making sure they didn’t risk an INT. Not that they could have lit it up if they wanted, but the ultra-conservative approach didn’t really challenge the SD secondary.
That one TD takes his "Bolt" away.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Sep 15, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
its an unfair assessment though...
Weddle was playing at the Strong Safety spot and the team was in a wide 3-4 Over formation. They bit on the counter to the right, and Cassel hands it off to Charles with a huge gap on the left side. A whole second after the ball was snapped I knew it would be a touchdown since the defense both lined up in a bad formation, and played the run incorrectly. Shaun Phillips was in position to stop the run for a one yard loss, but stayed flat footed instead of stepping into Charles’ running lane. He was pushed over, and Charles had a Tight end and a Fullback to block a safety and a corner for open field.
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by Superduperboltman on Sep 15, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I was probably too busy freaking out to catch the details of that play
I was remembering him giving Crazy-Legs Bowe a shot in the gut at the start of the game to break up a deep pass… and him making a solid 1-on-1 tackle on McCluster in the flat later on. We did only have like 8 passing yards the whole game.
by Ochophosphate on Sep 15, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He looks like he will be a good safety for SD for a long time.
That or we could be watching his last season. He’s on the final year of his contract.
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