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This morning I woke up early to do an offeseason/preseason discussion about the Chargers with Fox Sports Radio 1340 in New Mexico (audio coming later today, probably). One thing you should know about me is that I am completely incapable of speaking coherently for the first half-hour or so immediately after waking up, so to get ready for the interview I had to get up a half-hour before the thing even started. This left me with plenty of time to think.

As I sat there contemplating what questions I might be asked, I started thinking "How will the Chargers offense look without Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeill?" Before I could think up an answer myself, one came to me. It was in the voice and the words of a Chargers legend. I was remembering something he had told me last year. Suddenly, everything was clear, and I was no longer scared of playing football without our Pro Bowl WR and Pro Bowl LT.

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If you remember, or were around, towards the end of last season you remember me interviewing Chargers' great Kellen Winslow. It was the following exchange from that interview that popped into my head while pondering the 2010 Chargers offense this morning:

If you're looking at Don Coryell's offense, the one that you were a part of, and comparing it to the Chargers' current offense...do you think one is better than the other?

It's the same thing.  It's just different terminology, it's the same thing.  It's based on the same premise.  Spread the field, find the mismatches and take advantage of the mismatches.  Put together personnel that gives you that mismatch. 

The only difference, in our offense against the current Chargers offense, is that we didn't do as many personnel changes.  For example, in my early days with the Chargers, we would start the game with two Tight Ends, two Wide Receivers and one Running Back.  And from that personnel, we would run every formation that we wanted to without changing personnel.  We could go to three wide, we could go to single-back, we could go to two Tight Ends, we could go to a flank position where two Tight Ends are on the same side and one's off the ball. 

We just ran everything we wanted to run from that situation, which made it very difficult for defenses to say "Okay, what are they going to do now?  How do we shift personnel?"  They had to go out and draft for that very specific need of "How do you stop the San Diego Chargers?"  Most teams, when they bring in two Tight Ends you know they're going with a two Tight End formation.  When they want to switch to three wide, you would know they were going to three wide because they'd bring in another Wide Receiver.  When they want to go to an I-formation, you'd see the Fulback come in.

Mind? Blown. Thank you again, Mr. Winslow, for your inspiration nearly 10 months later.

The Bolts have three Tight Ends that could be starters elsewhere in the NFL, all of which are excellent receivers and above-average blockers. Kris Wilson has spent time at TE, FB and WR. Antonio Gates and Randy McMichael have spent time at TE and WR. What if the Chargers were to always have two TEs in the game? Sometimes three? What if, instead of hoping Brandyn Dombrowski can play LT well-enough, the Chargers were planning on always having a TE next to him? That would certainly give Philip Rivers more time and more options, right?

The name of this game is versatility. Look at this:

Antonio Gates - TE/WR
Randy McMichael - TE/WR
Kris Wilson - TE/WR/FB
Mike Tolbert - FB/HB
Jacob Hester - FB/HB
Darren Sproles - HB/WR

Think there might be some mis-matches in there? We haven't even factored in the mis-matches the top 2 WRs create with their size and speed, nor have we even considered how well Ryan Mathews might be running behind a line with two TEs and a FB in front of him. Hell, we haven't even started discussing former QBs Gary Banks or Legedu Naanee. These are all toys for Norv to play with.

This year could be Norv's homage to the late, great Don Coryell. Imagine on one play, the Chargers come out with 3 TEs, with Malcom Floyd on the outside and Mathews in the backfield. On the very next play, with nobody subbing in or out, Floyd and McMichael are on the outside and Wilson becomes the FB in front of "Bam Bam" (with Gates playing TE). After that play, Wilson or Gates could slide out and the team would have 3 WRs in the Singleback formation. There's not a defense in the league that could defend all of those offensive sets with the same group of defenders, yet that is what Coryell forced teams to do and it's exactly what Norv could be thinking about doing.

In the words of #80, "We would start the game with two Tight Ends, two Wide Receivers and one Running Back.  And from that personnel, we would run every formation that we wanted to without changing personnel.  We could go to three wide, we could go to single-back, we could go to two Tight Ends, we could go to a flank position where two Tight Ends are on the same side and one's off the ball."

I'm not saying the 2010 San Diego Chargers offense will be nearly as explosive or good as the 2009 offense, but perhaps there's less here to worry about than a lot of people think. Josh Reed wasn't Vincent Jackson's replacement and Tra Thomas wasn't McNeill's, but with the addition of Randy McMichael and a slight shift in philosophy the Chargers may have found a way to replace both. A team that can be this good, and this versatile, will keep the defense on it's toes and dictate the pace of the game.

I'm excited, how about you?

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Was that coffee or kool-aid you drank this morning, John? j/k

I’m digging the idea of the 3 TE set. I may have written here or elsewhere, not sure …. certainly a factor in utilizing this formation is, as you mentioned, help for whoever is protecting PR’s blind side.

Even w/o VJ & McNeill, i still have more concerns regarding the defense than I do the offense.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Aug 9, 2010 9:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I’d have less concerns about the defense if Merriman walked into camp and looked better than he did last year.

Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.

by John Gennaro on Aug 9, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

English muthaf@$%er!!

Do you speak it? hahahaha

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Aug 9, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rallying cry after every single English tackle. So good.

Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.

by John Gennaro on Aug 9, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like it but....

will Norv read and then put it to use with our offense? who knows but it sounds like it could work.

by Gorditoe1 on Aug 9, 2010 9:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Didn’t he read my post last year and open up the offense?

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by John Gennaro on Aug 9, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

me too

Great idea, but as mentioned, will norv do it?

by irishlad on Aug 9, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

John, do you expect the team to keep 4 TEs on the 53 man roster?

It seems like a lot of guys to have in skill positions especially when there are guaranteed to be 4 RBs and 5 WRs. If the Chargers are to be running 3 TE sets you’d figure it would be a good idea to keep an extra guy for depth. I would, however, be very wary of any of the fullback’s playing TE.

by riversformvp on Aug 9, 2010 9:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Nope

For two reasons:

1. There is literally nobody behind those three guys that has shown themselves to be worthy of being on an NFL roster.
2. If a TE goes down, we could always just change philosophies again. That’s what versatility does for you.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 9, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's also Legedu Naanee, all-purpose skill player

WR, TE, QB, FB….

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 9, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

The FB/TE experiment was a bad one, but I’m curious to see if the the team drops the “Wildfrog” formation or lets Naanee be the guy to run it.

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by John Gennaro on Aug 9, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read Acee’s note about the Chargers planning to use 3 TE’s a lot more and I kind of came a similar conclusion, that maybe Naane and CBD aren’t stepping it up and the TE’s will take a way that PT.

by Orz on Aug 9, 2010 9:34 AM PDT reply actions  

This worked well another time...

Remember in the Bobby Ross years… we were running the same offense and frequently used both Duane Young and Alfred Pupunu in this manner. Obviously, Young was more of a blocker (and Pupunu was nowhere near the threat that Gates is), but we did this with Means in the backfield, and Jefferson and Seay / Martin outside. As long as someone emerges opposite Floyd, there’s no reason this wouldn’t work again.
The 3 TE set is also deadly in short yardage / goal to go situations with a legit running threat. Also, substitute Sproles for Ronnie Harmon and Mathews for Means. It won’t solve every problem, but it might increase offensive efficiency a notch.

"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe." - Dr. Leonard McCoy.

by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Aug 9, 2010 10:50 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think I heard Norv...

in an interview say we were going to go with a lot of double tight end looks. I’m thining we should make you a psuedo off. cordinator because I got pumped reading your article. Never had heard the interview with Kellen, so I like it.
Another thing that’s happening is that if Buster Davis stays healthy, he could be huge. And Malcolm could be nearly every bit as good as VJ this year. I’d like to have VJ, and MM, but hey, this team is prepared for life without them. Good plan!

by Friarlightning on Aug 9, 2010 11:17 AM PDT reply actions  

I really think even with the different packages, it’s hard to matchup against the offense. The chargers would be limiting themselves if they didn’t bring in sproles or tolbert or legaduuuuude.

by Its Mikey!! on Aug 9, 2010 11:18 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I like some

of the points that you hit on. As a matter of fact, I’ve got a fanpost in the works that focuses on the idea of player versatility on offense.

by jkvandal on Aug 9, 2010 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I didn't know you were on the Chargers

when did you start playing?

Thoughts? "I have none. If there are any other developments, we will let you know." Charger GM - AJ Smith.

by bringbackbuddytrees on Aug 9, 2010 2:37 PM PDT reply actions  

that doesn't solve/fix anything...

Mr. Winslow is correct that we run the same formations. the problem is
1. teams sniff out our plays, (pass, run) based on our personel. which is the exact opposite of what Mr. W said.
2. an extra TE helping Dumbrowski, or Tra defeats the purpose of this formation. Defenses will attack/overload that side if they see the TE is there to help. and will limit our ability to “stretch” the field.
3. that would only make the case stronger to at least talk, and negotiate, a deal with MM. or make some sort of good faith gesture towards a long term deal.

i appreciate you trying to put a good spin on the situation and trying to keep a positive outlook for the season John. but we’re just better team with VJ and Marcus.

peace out

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Aug 9, 2010 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

an extra TE helping Dumbrowski, or Tra defeats the purpose of this formation. Defenses will attack/overload that side if they see the TE is there to help. and will limit our ability to "stretch" the field.

How does dictated what the defense does defeat the purpose? The TE over there could run a screen. We could run the ball to the right side. Hell, we could see the very obvious blitz that your imaginary defense is showing and send a RB over there to help as well.

teams sniff out our plays, (pass, run) based on our personel. which is the exact opposite of what Mr. W said.

I think you missed the point. The Chargers now, like the team Kellen was on, has the ability to do many things effective with the same personnel. I’m saying we could potentially run hundreds of different players out of dozens of different formations with the same guys on the field. You really think LBs are going to feel comfortable lining up on the outside against McMichael, Gates and Sproles?

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by John Gennaro on Aug 9, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

no i did’t miss what Mr. Winslow was saying. we make more substituions. which is the exact opposite of what, they did in his day.
as as imagined defenses go, your just making my case stronger. ‘bringing in more help to do a job MM was cable of doing alone". that isn’t a fact but a realistic concern. defenses will test the LT side in the absence of MM. example the Cowboys/ Bengals game. with a new LT in dallas, the bengals tested that side all day. if you look at most if not all of Romo’s pressure came for the left side. the new LT had problems with the benglas rush. this being a “copycat league” we can expect the same from everyone we play.

and back to running dozens of different plays out of dozens of different formations with same guys on the field? would work in our favor. but that is not what Norv does. the personell dictate what we do, and defenses key in on it. if it we’rent fo a few big plays here and there, we’d be more like 9-7.

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Aug 11, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shut up John!

The Raiders, Chiefs and Broncos may be listening….

Quick everyone, BE NON-CHALANT.

by Lightning Hobo on Aug 9, 2010 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

insert incoherent signonsandiego ramblings here!

Buster Davis is made of tissue and will never do anything!
AJ is an egotistical maniac!
We should have won 3 super bowls by now!
Philip Rivers is a crybaby!
Shawne Merriman is a washed up ’roid freak!

by Orz on Aug 9, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lets get rid of more starters and pro bowlers

then the defense will never know whats coming.

by JeromeB on Aug 9, 2010 7:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Crompton should come in on a regular basis. You have to keep the defense off-balance, right?

"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"

by aesimpleton on Aug 9, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

And J-Wall

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by John Gennaro on Aug 10, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not talking about J Wall or Cro or LT

Talking about the players that the title of your post was about. Maybe I should have been more clear, but it seemed obvious since I was commenting on your post. Using a variety of sets is great, but its even better when you have your best players on the field. Whats wrong with being versatile with MM and VJ on the team?

All I read on this site last season was how great VJ was, how his DVOA was the best in the NFL and how he was getting ripped of big time by not being voted to the pro bowl. Now all of a sudden the Chargers will not miss him at all because Legs and CBD will step right in.

by JeromeB on Aug 10, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't it be both?

Seriously, to accrue his season, he’ll have to report by Week 7, which will have him on the field after the bye. It’s not like he’s dead.

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 10, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

my bad friend...

you’re completely right,but its just not gonna happen.I would love to have them both on the field working but AJ is kind of a dick so I doubt we’ll see that anytime soon.I understand what you mean I want to see IF VJ has stepped up his game even more and it could possibly make us a shoe in for an AFC title but,do you see him coming to terms with AJ anytime soon.This situation is turning uglier every day. I think VJ is gone(I hope not) but my gut tells me they’re not ever gonna resolve the matter of a long term deal. It’s a damn crying shame….

by Gorditoe1 on Aug 11, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

agree....totally

and that’s why i question this organization commitment to winning a championship.

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Aug 11, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I miss Clipboard Jesus

We all know that he should be starting over Rivers. ;-)

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Aug 10, 2010 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

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