Chargers @ Saints: 5 Questions with Canal Street Chronicles
by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 9:55 AM PDT
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PrintJust like we've been doing each week, and will continue to do each week of the season as well, I answered 5 questions for Canal Street Chronicles about the upcoming Chargers/Saints preseason game and Dave Cariello was nice enough to answer 5 of my questions about the 2010 New Orleans Saints. Thanks go to Dave for the time and the info.
1. What are the biggest differences between the 2009 Super Bowl Champions and the 2010 New Orleans Saints?
A shiny ring and a brand new banner to hang in the Superdome. Next question. Seriously though there has been very little to no turnover with the coaching staff and on the roster. Much less than one would expect after a Super Bowl-winning season but thanks to this off-season's new CBA rules, it was much easier to keep the team intact. That being the case, I expect a similar product to last years team, if not better and with more experience.
2. What is the biggest position(s) of concern for the Saints this offseason?
It's quickly starting to become backup running back. The Saints have already placed two backs on Injured Reserve and depth in the backfield is getting thin. Other than that I would nominate the entire Saints special teams unit for their poor kick coverage and mediocre tackling. I think most fans would agree that's what needs to be cleaned up most before the regular season begins on September 9th.
3. Are you satisfied with the NO secondary currently? Why or why not?
Absolutely. Did you watch the playoffs? It's actually amazing how quickly the unit transformed from 2008 to 2009. Tracy Porter and Jabari Greer could be one of the best cornerback tandems in the league. Last years first-round pick, Malcolm Jenkins, is looking good in his transition to safety and the Saints again used their first-round choice this year on another cornerback, Patrick Robinson. Assuming they both develop as expected, the Saints should be set in the secondary for a while.
4- What aspect of the Chargers game could give the Saints the most problems?
I mentioned earlier that the Saints have had some special teams woes. So far this pre-season the team has given up a ton of kickoff return yardage. Naturally, the thought of Darren Sproles back there returning kicks scares the hell out of me. A lot of fans will be watching to see how well the Saints will be able to contain kick returners. If the past is any indication, it wouldn't surprise me to see Sproles take one to the house.
5- Who are the key Saints players for us to look out for on Saturday?
Being the third pre-season game, the starters should get about three quarters of action so I will choose a player from the first team. And you might not believe this but I am going to go with Reggie Bush. Since the end of last season he has cut back on his "dancing" and looked much better with his between the tackles, north-south running. Combined with his threat as a receiver and he is electric. Four years later and this is the first time since he was first drafted in 2006 that I am really excited to see what he will do this season.
When the backups come in late in the game, you should keep your eye on wide receiver Adrian Arrington. In two games this pre-season Arrington has seven catches for 158 yards, averaging 22.5 yards per catch which is highest across the league.
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Darren Sproles?
I wonder how well Goodman will run back kickoffs. I’m still waiting to see Buster Davis do some good in the punt return game. Coverage on punts hasn’t been very good for the Bolts…
by Superduperboltman on Aug 26, 2010 10:01 AM PDT reply actions
I wonder if Sproles will be returning kicks tomorrow
I doubt Sproles will. That’s one thing they don’t have to worry about.
But hasn’t Goodman been doing pretty well with the returns. So maybe NO still gets the test they are looking for.
I thought Reggie was banged up?
Starters for 3 quarters probably means Sproles returning kicks for 3 quarters.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I figured that for O and D
But for teams, I just figured they would not want to risk getting Spoles knicked up.
With teams, the situation is so much more random than running set the set offensive and defensive formations. The best you can hope for is to get the other 10 guys blocking correctly. You can get that w/o Sproles.
by Trendsearcher on Aug 26, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
If their ST are as bad as Dave thinks
I wouldn’t be worried about him even being touched.
…not to mention, the Saints have to score first to get a kickoff
and what’s the likelihood of that?…
by riversformvp on Aug 26, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually I think Drew Brees is gonna be a good test for our D
I think Brees can really deal with the pressure. If he gets too much time, he beat us too. So if we get the line pressure, I think brees will still test our secondary.
by Trendsearcher on Aug 26, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
This ^^^^
The defense has looked great, but it’s been hard to tell if it was just the OLines being bad and the QBs being out of synch. I’m dying to see them against an elite offense for a full half.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Aug 26, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Look for drew to light your secondary up
We should get plenty of time to evaluate our ST this week just like last week
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Aug 26, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not true
It’s possible for the Bolts to get a saftey.
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
Man,
couldn’t help but notice the douchebag commentors over at CSC. I know it’s good to be the champs and all, but you’d think Saints fans would be a little more humble considering the teams history of being an NFL doormat for much of it’s existance. I’ll admit the Chargers haven’t done anything, and the team with the Lombardi in the trophy case is obviously the more successful team (no matter what their all time franchise record says). But the team formerly known as the Aints, are not the Steelers, or the Cowboys, or the 49ers or any other historically successful team in the league and up until just last year they “aint” accomplished a damn thing either.
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Just a hunch
Its kind of an emotional fanbase and they are new to success. I would think they are euphorically oblivious right now to the realities of the NFL and basking in the glow of their newfound superiority. They just don’t know how to handle all of this yet, but they sure as hell aren’t going to let some other city’s fans rain on their parade.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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Exactly^
We’re enjoying it while we can just like any other fan base would. If people bitter over their own team’s inability to win the recent SB try to rain on our parade, we’ll just break out the umbrellas.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 26, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not at all trying to "rain on your parade"
nor am I trying to take anything away from the Saints. Just saying, a few Saints fans over at CSC seem to want to bash the fact that the Chargers haven’t had the most success in the Playoffs when up until last year they were in the exact same boat as the Chargers. Just seems kind of douchey to me, that they would have that attitude when they are so new to success.
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by SoCalBoltFan on Aug 26, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
this
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The main difference would be
If any of our fans did that they would only do it on our board I dont think they would come to your board(unless your a falcon fan or vikes fan) and say anything like that
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Aug 26, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
oooooopss
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Aug 26, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Can’t see why you’re surprised...
Every Saints fan is human just like every other team’s fans. Every individual has different personalities therefore behave differently and act differently. My point being is some people are just pricks. We all have that certain someone in our family that we are embarrassed to claim due to their behavior. But we still know they are family. We Saints fans love our team just like you guys love yours. Most of us at CSC are good people who behave right but there are a few that will make dumb comments just like I’m sure you guys have a few here that do the same. I am so proud that my team won the Super Bowl but I know this is a new year and there is no telling what could happen and who will be good and who won’t be. Most of us at CSC would never try to come across rude or cocky to you guys. Please except an apology for anything you may have read that someone commented that you perceived in a negative way. And good luck to you guys this season. We feel like we have a strong team this year, maybe even better than last year so we will continue to have high hopes and beliefs and will continue to be proud of our boys’ recent accomplishments so please try not to take that as being cocky or arrogant.
by narco301 on Aug 26, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Something is burning
The claim that “people [are] bitter over their own team’s inability to win the recent SB” is unfounded and unsupported.
Please retract.
Then please re-read what SoCalBoltFan and Wonko wrote.
OK
This is what I was referring to:
couldn’t help but notice the douchebag commentors over at CSC.
I know it’s good to be the champs and all, but you’d think Saints fans would be a little more humble considering the teams history of being an NFL doormat for much of it’s existance.
But the team formerly known as the Aints, are not the Steelers, or the Cowboys, or the 49ers or any other historically successful team in the league and up until just last year they "aint" accomplished a damn thing either.
Maybe if he specified the specific “douchebag commentators” I wouldn’t have been offended. When I read it, it looked like he was referring to us all. Calling our team the “Aints” like he did is pretty much the textbook definition of “trying to rain on our parade.”
You guys are definitely entitled to your opinion. I’m well aware that this is a Chargers site, so I’m trying to not be a troll. I was agreeing with most of what Wonko posted. I haven’t seen many postings at CSC where Saints fans are so arrogant to believe our team has arrived. We hope last year is the beginning of a long run to come, but I don’t think any of us other than maybe a few bandwagon jumpers think we’re the greatest ever or we’re somehow guaranteed success this year. We’ve seen our team come up short so many times to know that it only gets harder from here. I just want our team to come out strong and make the playoffs so all the people out there who still want to think of us as the “Aints” will start reevaluating their opinions a little bit.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 26, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe if he specified the specific "douchebag commentators" I wouldn’t have been offended. When I read it, it looked like he was referring to us all. Calling our team the "Aints" like he did is pretty much the textbook definition of "trying to rain on our parade."
This.
It is the reason we got our feathers ruffled. We thought we were all being insulted for something we didn't even know about.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
Well I hope I was able to clear it up.
Good luck to the Saints this year. I’m definitely a fan of Drew Brees as are most Charger fans.
Looking forward to a good game tomorrow!
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by SoCalBoltFan on Aug 26, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, everything seems clear now, the rain is gone. Lol
Sorry couldn’t stop myself once I started. Good game for all sides, no injuries to anybody, and the Saints win :).
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
It was like a preseason warm-up to our eventual encounter with Chiefs fans in Week 1 and your encounter with Vikings fans in Week 1.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
In that case,
Good luck with the Chiefs fans. Don’t rip them too many new ones. Thats just more for them to talk out of (the bad ones that is).
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
by Jon Banks on Aug 26, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
Chiefs fans are the worst!
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by SoCalBoltFan on Aug 26, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
At least we can trust
that Raider fans can’t read or write… so no worries there. ;-)
by Nohm on Aug 26, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually really like the Raiders fans on SBN. I expected them to be the worst of our rivals’ fan bases, but they’re the best.
Bolts from the Blue // "Sometimes you would get the sense that people felt bigger than the team," Gates said. "Not to say it was an issue, but we know it’s not an issue for sure now."
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by Richard Wade on Aug 26, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They're a little rough around the edges sometimes
but I’m usually able to go over there and talk football and they’re usually pretty cool about it.
I go over to MHR from time to time as well, but very rarely do I visit AP.
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by SoCalBoltFan on Aug 26, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too
Who’lda thunk?
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Aug 26, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You're forgetting
Jets fans.
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
Kansas City fans are far worse. East Rutherford fans aren’t that bad.
Bolts from the Blue // "Sometimes you would get the sense that people felt bigger than the team," Gates said. "Not to say it was an issue, but we know it’s not an issue for sure now."
Bloody Elbow // "I'm not Dog the Bounty Hunter, I don't issue apologies. And you're not going to be the first one to get one out of me." - Chael Sonnen
by Richard Wade on Aug 26, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL!
Very good, John. I love when the Saints play teams that have a quality SB Nation blog and respectful, well-educated fans.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 26, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Better than teams that have fans that are, (Ahem) horrible.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
I certainly agree with Satch
Most of us at CSC do not feel we are entitled to anything other than the 2009 World Championship. We feel that our team did a fantastic job last year and earned that title. We are intelligent enough to know however that this is a whole new year and any team can make that run. We do feel we have a good shot though due to the talent we have and good coaching. But we know that can only help and will not entitle us to anything. We all just want the Saints to do as good this year as we know they can. We hope that this is the beginning of a long run of success because we have suffered for so long. I wouldn’t expect any other fan of another team who had recent success after so many years of frustration to want anything less.
I would agree with that
Of course none of us can speak for someone else, but as a life long fan whose watched us be so terrible over the years, I’m really proud of our boys. And these certainly aren’t the Saints of old. They appear to be setup to make a run over the next few years which of course cannot be predicted, but on paper things look great. I for one am very pumped to see what happens!
Hopefully this will be a good preseason game between two solid teams!
I think you guys should take full advantage of it while still the champs
It is so unlikely that a team will repeat that you must do everything you can while champions to celebrate.
by riversformvp on Aug 26, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
You guys are the reigning Champs, celebrate it up! LOL
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by SoCalBoltFan on Aug 26, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
couldn’t help but notice the douchebag commentors over at CSC.
I was NOT reffering to all of the commentors at CSC, just the ones who were needlessly bashing the Chargers and in essence being douchebags.
I know it’s good to be the champs and all, but you’d think Saints fans would be a little more humble considering the teams history of being an NFL doormat for much of it’s existance.
I apologize if I offended anyone by using the term doormat but it was a word I used to describe the Saints inabilty to put together a .500 season 27 of the 43 seasons that they have been an NFL team.
But the team formerly known as the Aints, are not the Steelers, or the Cowboys, or the 49ers or any other historically successful team in the league and up until just last year they “aint” accomplished a damn thing either.
Notice I said FORMERLY known as the Aints. As far as I’m concerned the Saints are no longer deserving of that nickname since winning the big game, just like the Chargers will no longer be known as the “chokers” once we (hopefully) do.
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by SoCalBoltFan on Aug 26, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
it's no problem
Most of us take no offense. I think your comments seem to be right on meaning you see a crappy comment so you perceive it as unnecessary. I am the same way. And Believe me most of us are humble and thankful to have had such a successful and big year last year. We are all hopeful about this year to so I hope that doesn’t come across as cocky. Over all our team’s history is not so good, but we have had some big years and success in certain areas along with some real bright spots. Just last year seemed to be a total success which gives us hope that this year will lead to more of the same.
by narco301 on Aug 26, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem is that you didn’t specify that, just made the comment. And, understandably so, we got pissed.
But anyway, glad we could kinda resolve the “We are douchebags” thing. Good luck to you guys this weekend and this season except against the Saints of course. Beat the Colts and the Patriots, if you do I will love you guys. :)
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
As always
A few turds in the punch bowl ruin it for everybody.
Glad we’re starting to speak the same language though, fellas. We have a couple of die-hard Brees/Carney fans around these parts, so we always root for the Saints when they’re not matched up against us. I guess I should’ve led with that?
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Carney?
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 26, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he play for SD?
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 26, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
As player:
* Cincinnati Bengals (1987)*
* Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1988-1989)
* San Diego Chargers (1990)*
* Los Angeles Rams (1990)
* San Diego Chargers (1990-2000)
* New Orleans Saints (2001-2006)
* Jacksonville Jaguars (2007)
* Kansas City Chiefs (2007)
* New York Giants (2008)
* New Orleans Saints (2009)
*Offseason and/or practice squad member only
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carney_%28American_football%29
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
Yup
for 11 years.
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by SoCalBoltFan on Aug 26, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if I miss Carney or not.
I think Kaeding has the potential for true greatness. He just has to get over himself. I don’t know that he will.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 27, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for clarifying
Sorry if I misinterpreted. Believe it or not, but the Chargers are my favorite AFC team. This is mostly because Drew played there and continues to have friends there. Phillip Rivers has been a key piece to my fantasy football teams over the past three years. Sorry you guys are currently experiencing the drama with V-Jax. I just don’t get why he’s doing what he’s doing right now. I know it’s all about money, but he seems delusional if he thinks he deserves the price he’s currently demanding. I hope he wises up and plays for you guys.
Good luck to you this season and let’s all hope no one gets hurt tomorrow.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 26, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
he seems delusional if he thinks he deserves the price he’s currently demanding.
Yes, yes he does.
/that’s all I’m saying…..
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
ive heard this kind of franchise bashing before
what makes you think we are ungrateful or not humble? do we have to win four more to even open our mouths to brag? this isn’t a new franchise and the idea that we have to take the big picture view that we were a perennial doormat instead of the world champions is just pure jealousy. what have the chargers ever done to make you think you can talk down to us?
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by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 26, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Part of it is the audience
We Chargers fans have a team that’s a perennial contender, but never quite seems to get over the hump. So we’re conditioned to respond sharply negatively to anything that sounds remotely like horn-tooting. It really doesn’t matter if your team can back it up.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 26, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
winning a weak divison makes you a contender?
your home playoff record is the evidence of the contrary
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by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 26, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Saints
were 2-6 in the playoffs prior to last season. By your definition they weren’t a contender last season.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Aug 26, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
But before last season, the NFC South was a strong Division.
The season made the division weaker than the norm.
Lame
New England won three Super Bowls out of a weak division, they also must not have been contenders.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Aug 26, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well technically you can only look at the current regime....
Under Payton and prior to last season our playoff record was 1-1. First ever NFC championship appearance as well. Then two years of tweaking (07 & 08) then after last year, Payton’s post-season record is 4-1, (1-1) in NFC Championship games, and 1-0 in S.B. Not to shabby I think. Plus Payton took no bumps to the head so he still has the successful coaching style and knowledge this year plus a team full of talent (most of the same players as last year to) so our out-look on this year is very hopeful and mostly confident we’ll have some success this year to.
Under Payton and prior to last season our playoff record was 1-1.
Norv’s playoff record with the Chargers is 3-3. He’s 0-1 in the AFC Championship game, but that was played without LT, with a hobbled Gates and Rivers played on one knee….so I’m not sure that should really count against him. Oh, and they were playing an undefeated Patriots team.
Should this team do the same thing the Saints did in 2009, Norv will have a ring and a 6-3 playoff record. It’s not entirely out of the question.
Basically, these are both teams loaded with talent. When it gets to the end of the year it’s about matchups, luck, momentum and something else undefinable. The Chargers have been getting the bad end of a lot of those things in recent years (except momentum), but we’re hoping we can do what NO did last year at some point…
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'm not saying anything bad about Norv
In fact I haven’t down-talked your team at all. I think you guys have a very good team. And a good coach. I was only trying to say that the 2-6 playoff record someone commented on prior to last year really can’t be taken into serious consideration for the present day Saints. Only that Payton’s era can be looked at and that his post-season stats are pretty good. I also agree with you that should Norv win the big one hear soon, he will be viewed as having a successful tenure as well.
Someone at CSC was talking down Norv.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
oh yea, speaking of that AFC championship game
Do you think that Rivers injury hurt you guys’ chances of winning that game? Hats off to Rivers though, dude got balls playing on a messed up knee like that but I thought you guys had a big chance of winning that game that year, but think maybe Rivers playing at way less than 100 % might have added to the outcome. Ya’ll had a solid team, I think maybe with the back-up in ya’ll would have faired better. Was just a thought. Maybe totally misinformed about the back-up that year, can’t remember who he was but if I remember right he was serviceable.
It was a really tight game , 20-12
It was played in cold weather which hurt, and our running game was really hurt then. If I remember correctly it was Michael Turner with Sproles as the scatback. But missing LT really hurt in a big way.
by riversformvp on Aug 26, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
TWO messed up knees
But he had only had surgery on one of them… six days before the game.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 26, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
He was, and still is, Billy Volek…..who led us to a comeback victory the week before against the Colts. It’s certainly a topic for debate because Rivers didn’t play that great, but I’d argue that with LT out and Gates hurt I’d rather not have the team led by a backup QB.
Norv trusted his young QB, which is a big part of their great relationship, and it didn’t work out. Who knows if Volek would’ve been any better or worse?
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
There's a lot of silliness in your statement
But I’ll just say this:
Yes, with the way the playoff rules work, yes, winning a weak (or otherwise) division makes you a contender.
By definition it makes you a contender. Yeesh.
Technically, yes.
Does not matter how you win the division, it still makes you a playoff contender. Of course it may not help you win when you get into the playoffs, but it will get you there.
For the record
The Chargers swept the NFC East last year.
by riversformvp on Aug 26, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Bad teams don't go 13-3.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 26, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Never said you were a bad team.
Also record means nothing when in the playoffs (see: Pats in SB 42, titans in playoffs year before last).
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
Okay... how about this?
5-1 division record? Yeah, soft divison, okay.
8-2 AFCN/AFC1st/NFCE record. Nah, “soft division” doesn’t hold up.
As the playoffs go, the best you can do is give yourself a 12.5% chance. Failing that, you could get 6.25%. Or zero. That’s it, all, finis. If you think your odds are anything else, you don’t know the playoffs.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 26, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I was saying that every team has the same chance in the playoffs, it is completely different than the regular season.
I think you were saying the same thing.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
My impression was that you were suggesting they weren't really contenders
because the play in the AFC West. We’ve heard that for years.
It was the same time last season as many people said they didn’t play
in a tough enough division; yet the Chargers swept the NFC East including games in NY and Dallas. I would think that winning your division four years in a row AND sweeping the “toughest division in football” would be enough for a team to inherently be considered contenders in the upcoming season (barring a complete retooling ala the Florida Marlins).
by riversformvp on Aug 26, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Noo
My only complaint about the chargers, though they are perennial contenders, they arnt perennial playoff winners. That is their main problem for whatever reason.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
That's fair
But to suggest this incarnation of the team is worse than others, see the Martyball era, simply because they haven’t won a superbowl is foolish. They have a 3-3 record since Norv took over. Yes, they’ve only made the playoffs 4 years in a row, and yes they only won games in two of those years, but I would much rather cheer for a team that makes the playoffs every year than one that doesn’t. Lots of teams don’t make the playoffs and haven’t for a long time.
You could list 10 teams who have had far less success than the Chargers over the last 10 years and probably 20 over the last 5. But you can’t deny that those teams are considered contenders. How about: Texans, Packers, Vikings, Jaguars, Panthers, Seahawks (ok not right now but recent success), Cardinals and the list goes on and on. They many are still contenders with less recent playoff success.
Wait, what’s my point again…
by riversformvp on Aug 26, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
You
are now officially rambling
6/10/2010 - Tra Thomas signs with the Chargers
8/21/2010 - Tra Thomas retires.
That was fast.
I know...Maybe laying off the booze was a bad idea
by riversformvp on Aug 26, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know why everyone thinks I said the Chargers arn't contenders.
They are, I was saying they have had post season problems for 4 years. Which CABurrito summed up nicely.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
Sorry for that, went back to check who said it
winning a weak divison makes you a contender?
your home playoff record is the evidence of the contrary
by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 26, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
by riversformvp on Aug 26, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess with long threads
The point of the argument can get lost by mislead ramblers (me).
by riversformvp on Aug 26, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
It's all good.
No harm no foul.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
To be fair
Most teams that make the playoffs on a regular basis are, more often than not, playoff losers.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
(Ahem)
The Colts. Yah they had 2006, but still. They have been how many years now? And how many wins?
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
12 teams enter
1 team gets out a year.
The Charger recent playoff woes have been a combination of inexperience, bad plays, and bad luck.
In 06, they lose at the last minute to the Pats after committing a ton of sloppy errors and having the game quite literally ripped out of Malcolm McCrees hands.
07 was a run to the AFCCG, where they ran into an 18-0 team with a historic offense while missing their best player (and league rushing leader) and with a tight end who could barely run and a QB a week off of ACL surgery.
08 they knocked off the Colts but were simply outclassed by the Steelers, who went on to win it all.
And last year they spit the bit, with the help of 3 missed field goals by the most accurate kicker in NFL history. That they got there with basically no running game and key injuries all over an already shaky defense was a real accomplishment, but they just didn’t get it done.
by CABurrito on Aug 26, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
MARLON McCree...
… but yeah.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 26, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
I’d probably remember his name better if he had just knocked that pass down. It was 4th Down!!!!
My blood pressure just went up a bit
Remembering that play just makes me want to break things.
"Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
That takes the reason prisoner?"
Don't forget the Drayton Florence facemask
On an uncatchable 3rd-down pass.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 26, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Or that dumbass time-out.
Thank you, Marty.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 26, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention
that fourth and a billion that he went for.
Why is it I can’t remember where my car keys are, but all this is seared into my synapses?
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Aug 27, 2010 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions
We all know what the cure is.
Come on, guys! Bring it home!
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 27, 2010 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
if we keep talking about that game...
i’m gonna have to smoke a lot today
"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."
...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs
i go ham
by notorioushbi on Aug 27, 2010 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like a good idea anyway.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 27, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
damn straight boy
"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."
...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs
i go ham
by notorioushbi on Aug 27, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Because this is important and you have a spare set of keys?
Bolts from the Blue // "Sometimes you would get the sense that people felt bigger than the team," Gates said. "Not to say it was an issue, but we know it’s not an issue for sure now."
Bloody Elbow // "I'm not Dog the Bounty Hunter, I don't issue apologies. And you're not going to be the first one to get one out of me." - Chael Sonnen
by Richard Wade on Aug 27, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Good point
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Aug 27, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced 3-4 constitutes "woes"
I think it doesn’t go well with 46-18 or the unbelievably-entertaining offense we’ve been enjoying (and will probably continue to enjoy this year, knock on wood). But woe? Nay.
I mean, if it’s really true that the playoffs are like a season of their own, 3-4 would be like mid-October. We all know about the way this team’s tempo goes in the regular season…. :) (Knock again.)
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 27, 2010 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Having the PR Machine makes us a contender
And 3-4 in the playoffs (in the PR era) isn’t really that bad a record.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 26, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
So does 46-18.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 26, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Or six consecutive years with a winning record and/or playoff berth.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 26, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think anyone was mad about bragging. Brag all day, your team earned that right for you. It was the Chargers/Norv/Rivers-bashing that was a little out of line and unnecessary.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wow, something really is burning (and it rhymes with "cupid")
Please support the claim that anyone called you “ungrateful”. Use ctrl+F on this page, and you’ll find that the only person who used that word? Is you.
Please retract.
“do we have to win four more to even open our mouths to brag?”
Straw-man. No one claimed that.
“this isn’t a new franchise and the idea that we have to take the big picture view that we were a perennial doormat instead of the world champions is just pure jealousy.”
Uh, no. It’s reality. Are you suggesting that the NO Saints were not that? And it’s hardly like anyone is claiming that you’re alone in this. Seahawks, anyone? The Lions? Chargers through most of the late 80s through the 90s (with a couple years exception)?
“what have the chargers ever done to make you think you can talk down to us?”
Are you illiterate? Now I’m talking down to you, not as a Saints fan, but as a human who supposedly can both read and write. Who is talking down to Saints fans here?
Only your straw-man.
Please re-read what SoCalBoltFan wrote. His point is that bashing the Chargers for never having won the Super Bowl is a bit silly coming from a Saints fan, considering that until a few months ago the exact same garbage argument could be leveled at the Saints.
I’m a Chargers fan, and I’ll say that I’ll much rather have a playoff contender than the horribly-GM’d Charger teams I watched through most of the late 80s and nearly all of the 90s. And that was the point.
by Nohm on Aug 26, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Straw-man. No one claimed that.
But the team formerly known as the Aints, are not the Steelers, or the Cowboys, or the 49ers or any other historically successful team
It was implied by the fact that all mentioned teams have won at least 5 championships.
Please re-read what SoCalBoltFan wrote. His point is that bashing the Chargers for never having won the Super Bowl is a bit silly coming from a Saints fan, considering that until a few months ago the exact same garbage argument could be leveled at the Saints.
SoCalBoltFan started his comment by stating that he couldn’t help but notice the douchebag commenters at CSC, instead of explaining what made him angry, he attacks all of us by lumping us all together, and saying we need to be humble. If he does not like what people are doing, don’t attack us, prove the arguments wrong. Oh and if the Saints’ fanbase acts like the Cowboys or Steelers’ fanbase if we win 4 more championships, then we will be ass****.
On the contrary....
Despite winning the Super Bowl, many of us Saints fans are still painfully aware of the 42 years of heartbreak and failure graciously provided by the Black and Gold and by no means take anything for granted. Right now, I’m just hoping that we don’t head back down the mountain after we’ve taken so long to reach the top.
by jack_casse on Aug 26, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your comment is appreciated
I’ll go on record saying that I certainly don’t think that Saints fans are douchey. A lot of my extended family are Saints fans.
I’m talking about specific people, regardless of their favorite team.
You want to see douchey??
Go to the Daily Norseman.
by Jon Banks on Aug 26, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Boon Rec'd!!!
When CSC started it’s thread for preseason predictions I gave it a lot of thought. Of course my NFC pick was the Saints. Will always be my preseason pick (even if the NFL were to start post season bans a la NCAA). For my AFC pick I could have gone fot the usual Colts or Pats. Instead I looked for a team with fans as starved as we were prior to last season. That’s why I would like to see either the Jags, Texans, Chiefs, or Bolts make it to the Superbowl. Then lose the the Saints…lol
The Saints must repeat so I can watch the Saints win the Superbowl LIVE... Not on vhs two months later....
double rec'd
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Aug 26, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The playoffs bring out the worst in people. We’ve had similar issues with Gang Green Nation.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
We're still dealing with it from the Daily Norsemen.
But, in their defense, some Saints fans (who mostly don’t post much at CSC) went over there and kinda shook the hornet’s nest a little bit on a few occasions when they shouldn’t have. There’s always a few on each blog who like to stir up the s*** on occasion and cause problems for the rest of us.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 26, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This is different,
I could quote some things the head of the blog ,Christopher Gates, has said that would make you feel disgust in people. But he loved to insult Saints fans just because they were Saints fans. He is still living in this delusional world, from something he posted recently that said we cheated and played dirty. But I’m done with my rant of the day.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
Yikes….
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah...
it was pretty bad.
But no, my wife and I go to New Orleans every few weeks for something to do. We’ll go to Mobile or Pensacola. . .or anywhere else, really. . .for our entertainment. Better to give our hard-earned dollars to people that will appreciate them as opposed to people that think they’re entitled to it because they still haven’t bothered rebuilding from something that happened five years ago.
I’m not sure
If anyone from New Orleans would know how to conduct themselves in the Twin Cities.
After all. . .there hasn’t been any real looting in Minneapolis or St. Paul for a long time. We’d hate for that to change.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 26, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
WOW
that takes douchiness to a whole ’nuther level! and its not like the vikes have ever won anything either!
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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Aug 26, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
My personal favorite
Screw Gregg Williams, and screw the New Orleans Saints
I can’t wait until 9 September. I want black and gold blood in the streets of New Orleans, and don’t give one single damn about how it gets there. . .legally, illegally, during a play, after a play, during halftime, during the pre-game. . .makes not one whit of difference to me.
If that worthless filth Gregg Williams and the filth that he leads onto the field every Sunday tries the same plan of attack they got away with in the NFC Championship Game, I hope that many of their players are given extended time off to think about what they’ve done, courtesy of the Minnesota Vikings.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
Damn
He pretty much glossed over the loss of Fujita. I think that’s a big one. I also think the Saints DL is more likely to get worse than better (although it could stay the same). Their kicker, Garrett Hartley, may have come through in the playoffs for them, but young kickers can have some ups and downs. I would be worried about Hartley playing at a high level for a full season.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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by Wonko on Aug 26, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Fujita was the biggest loss, no doubt
But on a team with 22 starters, that’s not too bad after a Super Bowl championship. He wasn’t great. Good, but not great.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 26, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
To me consistant good, not great, seems to be NO's formula for success
I’ve had Reggie and Colston on my fantasy teams for the last few years. And though that time they’ve had some great games, but often they are consistenly average. It just seems to me that their performance mirrors the teams performance.
They have some good geames, but they have relatively few really crappy games. With that kind of a team loosing one or even a handfull of players probably doesn’t change the success equation.
by Trendsearcher on Aug 26, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the real reason you see the "average results"
Is that very few teams seem to spread the ball around as much as we seem to. 19 different players (O& D) scored TD’s last years. Brees seems to have confidence in anyone, even if that means throwing to our FB. Nobody stands out as everyone is involved in getting many looks and touches. A top ranked offense with nobody who stands out as a major threat. Very deceptive.
Football is easy if you're crazy as hell
Agreed
On all parts. It’s amazing how many different receivers Brees throws to in each game.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
In the Super bowl, 7 recievers in 7 passes with all 7 completed.
On the first drive after the Onside kick I believe. Although it may have been the game winning drive, too lazy to go look it up.
Honestly
I think the Chargers are looking for something similar this season. Less of a focus on feeding Jackson, more of a focus on finding the open man. Gates, Randy McMichael, Kris Wilson, Malcom Floyd, Legedu Naanee, Mike Tolbert, Jacob Hester, Ryan Mathews, Darren Sproles, Buster Davis, etc. etc. They will all get involved.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's the best way.
Harder for a defense to focus on all of your receivers than on one.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
yea i agree
Our offense works well like that. Brees can spread the ball around but what adds to the success is the fact that every player is totally fine with that. You don’t see guys bitching because they felt they were open and didn’t get looked at (i.e. the T.O. type players). All our receivers and backs have said that each game will be a different player’s game. This week I may get a lot of balls thrown my way and next week it will be another guy. As long as we are moving the chains and scoring points, it’s all good. Comments like that have been made by all of our receivers and backs in the past which shows they are a tight offense and focus on the big picture instead of individual stats. I think that’s a recipe for success.
Yupp
Gotta love Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis for the players we have. And of course the one and only GW.
Oh when Brees, marches down the field, Oh when Brees gets into the redzone, Oh how I want to see him throw a TD! Oh when Brees marches down the field.
This is a big reason that the guys holding out for big money contracts are being ignored. The team has taken a “team” attitude/approach. No one player is bigger than the team. So the offense will adapt and adjust (spread the ball out, get the ball out quickly) and show that they can win without forking over tons of cash to the LT and WR.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I definitely think...
that Payton and the Saints have set the standard for NFL offenses in the league. I think we’ll see quite a few more teams try to do what the Saints do. It’s a pretty good formula.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 26, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Just need a good quarterback.
Reeaaally good.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 26, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
We got one
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I had the feeling that he was a scrappy player while in KC
But he was just never good enough to really make a name for himself.
To be fair, he played on some pretty bad defenses there.
Once he left I expected he would just disappear, but he certainly has got his career in order.
by riversformvp on Aug 26, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, I just noticed.
Donnie Edwards is on the float with Brees.
I love my team of historically talented underachievers.
That's what I thought
creanium said it’s not Donnie.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
He looks photoshopped in.
Did you get that picture from Axion?
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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It's totally Donnie Edwards.
http://www.laprensa-sandiego.org/archieve/december20-02/donnie.jpg
I love my team of historically talented underachievers.
by DoubleViking on Aug 26, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
WEIRD
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by John Gennaro on Aug 26, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe this helps explain it
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 26, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Not all that weird.
They were teammates for a bit during their time in San Diego.
I love my team of historically talented underachievers.
by DoubleViking on Aug 26, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Drew Brees fans
If you haven’t already, you should probably read how Drew ended up in New Orleans.
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This is the sole reason I was bummed about the Saints winning the SB last year
Is because so many people (definitely not necessarily talking about Saints fans) don’t understand what went down with Brees going from the Bolts to the Saints.
Thank you, John.
What I mean is
that many people kept asking me “Your team should have never traded him” or “Why did you guys get rid of him?”
Have you read his book?
Was curious to know what you thought about his explanation of his time in SD.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 26, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
No
I really should though.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 27, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
as much as i want to see the score of this game
be 77-70, a bigger part of me wants it to be 3-0. most importantly, i want to see PR17 match Drew step for step to hopefully quiet all the naysayers!
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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Aug 26, 2010 5:02 PM PDT reply actions
The Saints and the Chargers are very evenly matched
The Saints secondary is likely better than ours, but I like our D-Line play so far.
This is going to be a great matchup all around.
Honestly....
I’m of the belief that teams like the Saints and Colts, teams that throw a lot but don’t see a lot of 3-4 defense, are more susceptible to being confused by it and throwing a bad pass. This is my excuse as to why Peyton Manning always plays bad against the Chargers, Patriots and now the Jets.
I know Drew played well against the Chargers in London, but it’s just a thought. A small grain of hope that I’m holding onto for Friday night. Also…..I still think he’s too short. The fact that he might end up being one of the 5 best QBs in the history of the NFL and he’s only 6’ blows my mind every time I think about it.
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by John Gennaro on Aug 27, 2010 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions
The difference is...
… Drew knows us. Or at least he did then.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Aug 27, 2010 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions
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